What do you really want to see in a C4S store?

[Powertickle]

I think I see what you mean. Some things are worst taken out of context. If you post a 2 minute clip of an intense foot roasting it would look sadistic and frightening, mostly because you'd be missing the dialog and build up to that. Perhaps it would be better to make sections of the post-tickling interviews as previews. People will see the girl saying "Oh my god I didn't think you'd tickle my feet", "I couldn't move at all", "You scared me - but it was a ride!". You'd have these genuine reactions from real girls, and it would all show that everybody involved was happy in the end.

The way I'm familiar with BDSM vids they have an intro interview, lots of action, and then post-interview. Include some of that in the preview so people chill out. Better yet, have two previews - one of the action, and another of the interview, so people get perspective.

Ignoring people is also important. Yeah, many here only like cuddly teasing stuff, and many have very specific thoughts about how BDSM should be done, they'd be shocked to see some of the things I've seen on the web. That doesn't mean hardcore should be marginalized.

Announce it in advance. Warn them not to watch. Post after-action interview. Then simply ignore people who cry out in horror.

Maybe a sub forum for 'harder' action would be a good idea. People won't be allowed to complain about it being too mean, and producers aren't allowed to post fluffy tickling there.

 

[Devillord]

ok, i've just found this thread, and looking back at how long ago i posted anything believe me when i say i dont post unless i feel REALLY passionate about a topic. one of the reasons i stopped posting was -

IT'S TOO DAMN NICE, TOO FLUFFY, TOO FAKE, AND OVERALL TOO DAMN SOFT

there is no section here for the hardcore stuff, and so far in my own life i've lost 3 g-friends who thought they could handle it. but handling the tickling isn't the point, not for me at least. i want to see their faces go from happy laughing - realisation that they cant stop it - panic & begging - fear. i want to see absolute torment and torture.

so, for all those out there who dont like the harder stuff, hey, we aint makin you look at it.

for all those out there who dissagree with the harder stuff, dont be so predujice, just cos you think it wrong, dont make you right.

for all of those out there who would attack people who make this harder stuff, stop trying to box people in, accept there is a side of life you dont like, live your own life the way you want to, and have the civility and decency to let others do the same.

1 last thing, a question for Kujman1 -

http://www.tickletheater.com/showthread.php?t=60354

you posted in the above thread

there's a ton of photos of this and other events I've never released, plus a four hour video of this event

after your ordeal, did you just get left and abandoned, or did someone/anyone take care of you until you were ok?

the reason i ask is to bring the aftermath into account, cause not many clips show what happens after.

 

[tkl]

Picture (video) worth 1000 words ...

I've posted some video reviews of my ideal tickle videos which include most of the elements described in the posts above: REALLY ticklish girl with a pretty face and hard body tied spread eagle and tickled past her limits for a while then a little rest then tickled again and again and ...
My gold standard is Miranda from Tickle Slaves:
http://www.tickletheater.com/showthread.php?t=34756
I also like Alexis Capri from Skelyrata and Elise Graves from Tickle Touch. I like some of Silvercherry's girls but the tickler is just too creepy/robotic. I'm not as impressed with the real ticklishness of many of the girls on Tickle Abuse as some other viewers are.
At the risk of setting off a negative reaction, I sometimes wonder if this Kujman's fetish is really about teasing and competing and fighting with other ticklers. His posts are always about how he's more of a bad-ass tickler than anyone else out there and how he has this great material but he's not going to show it to anyone. Enough already.

 

[Kujman1]

Oh boy, here we go...

I sometimes wonder if this Kujman's fetish is really about teasing and competing and fighting with other ticklers. His posts are always about how he's more of a bad-ass tickler than anyone else out there and how he has this great material but he's not going to show it to anyone. Enough already.

See? :no: And I haven't even released a preview clip from the store yet.

"This Kujman" makes a polite, inquisitive thread simply asking what people wish to see in a C4S store w tickling... he has some ideas and something in the works.. and now I'm claiming myself to be a "bad-ass tickler" (in some mysterious post that'll never see the light of day) from a guy who considers "Tickle Slaves" the gold standard??

:huh

Next, his ridiculous comment will get taken as a factual account of something I posted (which I never have)... and get spread all over... and so it starts.. and so it grows. This is how it always starts. Been there- done that.. a zillion times.

Why do I even bother?

Let's keep the peace and end this thread here and along with it any such ideas before the flames begin- I'm not going down that path again even for a minute.

A sincere thank you to everyone who posted with intelligent insight, support, and ideas. I heard all of you and appreciated your time and respect your views and desires more than you know.

Kuj

 

[birdburdy]

I've posted some video reviews of my ideal tickle videos which include most of the elements described in the posts above: REALLY ticklish girl with a pretty face and hard body tied spread eagle and tickled past her limits for a while then a little rest then tickled again and again and ...

Actually I think that's quite different from what was discussed above. To many of us bondage should be more than a means of restraint but something beautiful and challenging in itself. The spread-eagle position is basically the most over-used and worn out poses in tickling clips. It's a shame because with some care it can be done properly by keeping the 'lee tight (and not always on a bed for goodness sake).

My gold standard is Miranda from Tickle Slaves:
http://www.tickletheater.com/showthread.php?t=34756
I also like Alexis Capri from Skelyrata and Elise Graves from Tickle Touch. I like some of Silvercherry's girls but the tickler is just too creepy/robotic. I'm not as impressed with the real ticklishness of many of the girls on Tickle Abuse as some other viewers are.

It sounds like you're focusing on the specific girl, rather than the tickling. There are thousands of clips of extremely pretty hot girls with tight tummies and beautiful feet being tickled online, but what can you really add to that? Surely once you've seen one you've seen them all? If you wanted to you could even tickle your hot girlfriend - it's not that difficult. I want to see something I can't do easily.

At the risk of setting off a negative reaction, I sometimes wonder if this Kujman's fetish is really about teasing and competing and fighting with other ticklers. His posts are always about how he's more of a bad-ass tickler than anyone else out there and how he has this great material but he's not going to show it to anyone. Enough already.

There is actually nothing factual in this paragraph. Read through this whole thread again and you won't find him saying how great he is at tickling, really you won't. He does state how bad the current state of online TK videos are and many people here (and elsewhere) agree with him on this.

I believe he does show his material to people at private parties, and BigJim has said in this very thread how he bought a video from KJ.

 

[Devillord]

His posts are always about how he's more of a bad-ass tickler than anyone else out there and how he has this great material but he's not going to show it to anyone

Obviously, you fail to read any posts in this thread, so please, find us a post where Kujman says hes more bad-ass than anyone else, cos i'm sure it must "exist" somewhere if your claim is accurate, perhaps in your head?

as for not showing anyone his material, see the above post.

and finaly, a bit of advise -

READ THE THREAD BEFORE COMMENTING​

 

[birdburdy]

Back on track now...

I'm not a mod but I'm going to suggest that we don't make any more of TKL's comment since that would only act to further derail the thread.

there is no section here for the hardcore stuff, and so far in my own life i've lost 3 g-friends who thought they could handle it. but handling the tickling isn't the point, not for me at least. i want to see their faces go from happy laughing - realisation that they cant stop it - panic & begging - fear. i want to see absolute torment and torture.

I guess if there was one word which best describes what is missing in current TK videos, it's "fear". Even that doesn't describe the complete thing but it's the closest.

 

[Kujman1]

I guess if there was one word which best describes what is missing in current TK videos, it's "fear". Even that doesn't describe the complete thing but it's the closest.

Fear is definitely missing.. fear, headspace, panic... and are big factors in is. I often describe this fear as "erotic panic"...a form of headspace I've developed. This look- that we all know so well- the few times you've seen it- remains in your mind forever. I don't care what kind of body type you seek, when you see this look and hear the accompanying voice or muffled/gagged cry... thats the one thing you remember the most far above the tickling itself. The absolute loss of power (or to be politically correct in this overly-politically correct fetish: the exchange of power). The anticipation of that implied torture, knowing you don't want it and can't stop it... and that little time that dwells inbetween the realization that you are going to be tortured no matter what you say and the actual beginning on that torture.

This is a very sweet time that builds any video.

Videos today lack any timing, building, or any film techniques of that nature. Of course I understand that these guys are not filmmakers but rather tickleporn makers. Yes I believe there's pleeeenty of room for them and they should have the right to make such films. However I guess I am the former so that's how I look at it. I think it should start by capturing your imagination first.. not the size of their boobs or the fact they look like teenagers. Today it's just one-two-three- GO! And the tickling begins. No ryhme, no reason, no real bondage to keep them there. Guys buying this material know the paid models are faking it, but will fight to the death to say they are not to preserve or justify their fantasy.

Some people also wish to believe that Alan Alda is a real surgeon, that we never landed on the moon, and that soap opera stars act in real life as they do on film, and that Elvis is alive and well.. and probably a tickler.

As has been pointed out long before me- today's ticklers (usually female) are for some strange reason required to always have that smile on their face... so as to imply that the victim desires this torture at all times and everyone is happy, having fun, and will hold hands and sing Kumbaya afterwards around the glowing campfire.

No fear. No fear of real capture or of anything torturous. Not ever.

The 'overly-political" tickling world became that way through a ruse. There were few if any females in the TK online world at first. They were afraid to come out, in the male tickler's view (in reality they were smart not to come out given the males in the scene!). So someone started the idea that if they made use of bdsm safewords and altered them for tickler's usage, it would calm the ladies and bring them forth. This lead to making TK scenes all look consensual and nothing but fun.. all smiles from giggling tormentors. Nothing harsher. A gentle form of subterfuge clearly designed to indicate that the girl could stop it any any given moment- therefor she must love what she's getting.

They even borrowed from me: starting back in the early 80's in my videos I always included interviews before and afterwards.. and some of the outtakes too.

But maybe there's time now for the other side to emerge once again.

Just like...we had the good and funny and amusing Batman series.. and now we've also been treated to a much darker side...

 

[christhetickler]

i would like to put my thoughts in.

first off, the girl should be in nothing less then a bikini. as soon as a breast is shown, or her pussy is shown, it may as well be considered porn, in which i find disrespectful to women.

i saw a post earlier on this thread that says the guy tickler should shut up and the girl tickler should tease and taunt more. that is very true. we are guys, if we taunt and tease...it sound slightly strange and takes away from the tickling.

tools like feathers, tooth brushes, q-tips are great...hair brush...no...that's going waaaay too far. some people like tickle torture, but we have forgotten that this is supposed to be fun for the tickler and the ticklee.

there are more parts of the body that are ticklish than feet, belly, sides, and armpits. but that seems to be the main focus. i know girls who are more ticklish on their necks then their feet or armpits. and breast are still ticklish and can be tickled without taking the bikini off.

the bikini...not a school girl outfit, not some strange leather outfit.

i love white women as much as any other guy...but some of the c4s studios only do white women...why not latina, black, asain. they all are ticklish. just look at tickle abuse. the only think i dont like about them is that they are soooo abusive. they go too far at times. like...when a girl is laughing, its ok...but dont make her cry...

i guess that is all i can say for now. the tickling itself is ok because you cant help but repeat what other people are doing when you tickle somebody.

 

[Kujman1]

.... the tickling itself is ok because you cant help but repeat what other people are doing when you tickle somebody.

...um.... why?

That's what creativity and originality is all about.

Back when I began Tied & Tickled-- there was nothing to copy, no one to follow, no one to ask anything of (thus I became a posterboy for real-life tickling).. so I had to invent new ideas. I came up with mummification (which was totally new to BDSM)... specialty stocks I designed.. bondage crates... buried in sand ideas... real initiation filming... suspended hogties and more. All new ideas at that time. I still come up with new ones, such as the haybale series, the vaccum-plank, and the human bondage pyramid..

Why can't they? I mean, these are young, smart guys calling themselves bondage and ticklemasters... they should live up to that title with some originality and realism... no?

 

[FT Tklr]

Kuj, will you be posting any of your clips on the site? I keep searching clips4sale hoping to find some of your stuff as I am a fan. I'm sure that along with myself, plenty others are waiting to see what you have in store for us. I didn't mean to go off subject of the post. I'm like a kid waiting to get to the candy store. Hope to see someting soon.
-FT

 

[birdburdy]

i guess that is all i can say for now. the tickling itself is ok because you cant help but repeat what other people are doing when you tickle somebody.

Tickling as-in the dictionary definition: the physical act, is repetitive. However it's how the tickling is done that makes the difference - and it can be a huge difference. Remember that tickling is mostly psychological (we have nerves for touch and nerves for pain, we don't have tickle nerves), so the environment a girl is tickled in makes a difference not only to her level of ticklishness but also to her response to that sensation.

For example, one technique which has not been used in TK videos is to restrain a girl in the pile-driver position (or yoga plow with knees bent - google it if you don't know it). The feet are right next to the head, stretching the hamstrings heightens the arch and movement is very restricted. Being tickled in that position is intense, you just seem to feel it so much more.

I see those threads about "how to make me more ticklish" and the answers are very much physical: oil and soles, make the soles warm and remove calluses. But I believe the psychological aspect also plays a huge role.

 

[tkl]

Frantic

I am looking for that frantic (yes fear) reaction when a truly ticklish woman realizes she is helpless and perhaps more ticklish than she expected. That's why most tickle videos are failures: they don't achieve that level of panic/desperation. That's why my gold standard is Miranda from Tickle Slaves. She is tightly bound, desperately ticklish, and really pushed to/beyond her limits. For a discussion about this video and tickling/sadism, go to
http://www.tickletheater.com/showthread.php?t=34756
I also like Alexis Capri from Skelyrata (she is so ticklish but the tickler doesn't push her far enough, keeps stopping for rest periods), and Elise Graves and Christy Lynn from Tickle Touch (though the bondage on Christy Lynn is too loose and she keeps rolling over to protect herself, a definite disappointment given how ticklish her armpits are) . They are all desperately ticklish with good bodies (which is a plus for the viewing experience).

 

[nolongerhere]

I am looking for that frantic (yes fear) reaction when a truly ticklish woman realizes she is helpless and perhaps more ticklish than she expected. That's why most tickle videos are failures: they don't achieve that level of panic/desperation.

The problem I can see with achieving this is that unless you have convinced the victim into being bound (and he/she does not know he/she was going to be tickled thus being essential misled and tricked) or unless it is just mainstream not meant to be in a sold video of people having fun, or unless the victim was coerced (forced or pressured by friends, audience, or a situation that they would fail if they did not participate) or more unlikely, if the victim really didn't know how ticklish they were, there will be no true fear or panic initially; after being tickled for much longer than wanted / anticipated the fear / panic will set in yes, but like I said, unless its one of those cases above, (a couple of those which would lead to lawsuits if done for a video meant to be sold because there was no initial release signed) unless of course it is your bdsm partner in crime having this done, and then they so politely let you use it for sale afterward, in my opinion there will be no "true and real" panic or fear, and it will just be fake. Especially easy to accomplish when the model is gagged so she can fakly yell into it - sounding muffled, and widen their eyes so it will look quite real. So that's why this is so hard to achieve in my opinion. - Models (and I say models as they are a person - modeling for a video - not meant to mean professional models) know what they are getting into before they do a shoot.

Those models you mentioned - especially capri anderson since I am familiar with that one, do indeed fall into the exception, it was (well could have been) true torture for her; but she knew that - she didnt just do one video with 1 producer so she knew what to expect, and you could obviously tell that if they didnt give her breaks every minute she would be panicking / crying etc. In my opinion, no safewords should be allowed in tickling, as models use them incorrectly to control when they get breaks. Tickling, no matter how hard, is probably not going to hurt you, so why give break every minute??

 

[LionKing08]

It is real hard to get a off the wall ticklish girl to agree to be tied up and tickled.Most videos are fake, the truth be told, sad that in 2010 we cant get the real deal.

 

[nolongerhere]

It is real hard to get a off the wall ticklish girl to agree to be tied up and tickled.Most videos are fake, the truth be told, sad that in 2010 we cant get the real deal.

I hole heartedly disagree with that comment every time I hear it. I do not believe most videos are fake. I see a couple videos here and there that are fake, but overall, I havent seen this majority of fake materials everyone on TT posts about in all the years ive been on.

I know I'll get lots of backlash on this thread for saying this, which is why I typically refrain, such as "oh you just dont know real, or you fell for the trap of pretty girl and feet, or this or that" No, not the case!

I think what all of you who claim 90+ percent of the material is fake now should really be saying "that it is not as intense as you would like" or that "its mislabeled as torturous or intense when its not" because I rarely ever see fake ticklish laughter in videos, and I watch all the samples, and lots of videos, and tickled tons of girls in real life that all react different. Not everyone runs in fear from being tickled, not everyone screams, not everyone laughs softly, not everyone laughs loudly, etc. etc. etc.

Ive seen some poor bondage, yes - so in the sense that the model could actually escape its fake, but her ticklish is not she is just being a trooper and doing the best not to "escape"

Ive actually seen people shout fake at videos, that I was actually present at during filming, and know for a fact were not fake.

Only reasons I can see for people always shouting fake are:

1. just to badmouth
2. they haven't tickled many people and base their idea of ticklish on their few experience
3. They base their idea of ticklish on their own ticklish, and it doesn't match the vids
4. They simply mean it should be re-labeled not to indicate true torture, etc.
5. They base this purely on theyr'e definition of what is good (not hard enough for them, not soft enough for them, etc.)
6. It really is fake (seems to me this is the rarity though)

Its impossible in my opinion to fake a ticklish laugh / reaction, especially for an extended time WELL. Its just to easy to see when it is, and I honestly rarely ever see anyone faking their laughing in videos.

Anyways, sorry to get on this tangent, I just had to post my opinion on it cause Im so sick of hearing people shout 95% of all material is fake. But it is your opinion anyways, and this is my opinion, and there's no changing that.

As for what everyone wants to see though:

What does that really matter?
Do what you wanna do and do it because you love to, not because others want you to
If you wanna make hard intense tickle vids, do it! If people buy it awesome, if they don't, guess you tried.
If you feel the tickle community isnt ready for "intense" stuff, then release it to the bdsm community who would surely eat it up if it is so intense and real.
...

 

[birdburdy]

I hole heartedly disagree with that comment every time I hear it. I do not believe most videos are fake. I see a couple videos here and there that are fake, but overall, I havent seen this majority of fake materials everyone on TT posts about in all the years ive been on.

I know I'll get lots of backlash on this thread for saying this, which is why I typically refrain, such as "oh you just dont know real, or you fell for the trap of pretty girl and feet, or this or that" No, not the case!

I think what all of you who claim 90+ percent of the material is fake now should really be saying "that it is not as intense as you would like" or that "its mislabeled as torturous or intense when its not" because I rarely ever see fake ticklish laughter in videos, and I watch all the samples, and lots of videos, and tickled tons of girls in real life that all react different. Not everyone runs in fear from being tickled, not everyone screams, not everyone laughs softly, not everyone laughs loudly, etc. etc. etc.

Ive seen some poor bondage, yes - so in the sense that the model could actually escape its fake, but her ticklish is not she is just being a trooper and doing the best not to "escape"
...

In the sense that they call themselves "tickle torture" many videos are fake. It's not torture, it's not even difficult it's just occasional twitching and a nervous laugh.

Using bondage when you're just engaging in knismesis(light) and calling it tickle torture is a little dishonest IMHO.

 

[christhetickler]

...um.... why?

not wat i meant. im saying you cant help that people are ticklish in the same places that everybody else is. wat makes it different is the level of ticklishness, tools you use, and bondage (if any) you use

 

[LionKing08]

I have bought over a 100 videos most are realy not that good, models do it for money and know they can take it, because they realy are not that ticklish. Like KJ said many of use are looking real tickle torture. Not fake laughing. Most of the people who say this video is real, i have seen and they are not. Yes 5 % is. Like ASHLEYs ordeal. But if anyone knows of some real tickle torture videos please post.

 

[nolongerhere]

In the sense that they call themselves "tickle torture" many videos are fake. It's not torture, it's not even difficult it's just occasional twitching and a nervous laugh.

Using bondage when you're just engaging in knismesis(light) and calling it tickle torture is a little dishonest IMHO.

I agree with this statement. calling "tickle torture" or "intense" or "extreme" when its not, is fake kinda. I think its more of a labeling issue though of people trying to hype stuff up to be more than it is, and well... maybe they really think it is lol.? If the model was forcing out ridiculous reactions to go with this label though, then def fake.

 

[LionKing08]

still waiting for anyone who has a real tickle torture video, a lady who is off the wall ticklish and is driven out of her mind.

 

[stroker]

In response to the fake/not fake debate i have to say this .Faking laughter is not difficult, any reasonably competent actress including the models in tickling clips can do it.But sustaining it for the required length of time is a different matter and this is where most clips fall short the girl runs out of steam and reverts to screaming or simply chanting OMG...OMG..etc .Want to spot a fake? simple, just compare the start of the clip with the end, lots of clips start beautifully but then deterioate after the first few seconds . Another tell tale sign is the physical reaction of the model.The reaction to being tickled is not a matter of choice it is involuntary and if the struggling is half hearted ,repetitive or looks in any way controlled then you can be sure it is faked ,the reaction should look like an electric current is passing through the model because in essence that IS what is happening .I think the main problem for most of us is that most producers sell their fake (or soft if you prefer ) clips as real ,intense,extreme torture etc which means that they know what we really want but cannot or will not provide it, and that is not only fake but in any other industry would be considered fraudulent.

 

[LionKing08]

And anyone who has ever seen someone who is realy ticklish on there feet, you dont have to use a brush. I cant stand ticklers useing brushs. If she is realy ticklish on her feet, fingers will drive her out of her mind and you better tie her down good. The troble is 90 % of girls are not that ticklish on there feet. But when you get the real deal, it can be great. They lose it even before you start the tickling, knowing they are about to get it and cant do anything about it.

 

[the_jimmy_james]

I want to see someone selling videos of stuff blowing up. Real good explosions of stuff like automobiles, microwave ovens, range-top stoves, refrigerators, multi-function color copiers, collections of fine wine, space capsules, large ocean-going vessels like the Exxon Valdez, as well as a scale replica of the Death Star constructed from steel and ground beef, 25 feet in diameter.

I'd vote with my wallet.

 

[birdburdy]

And anyone who has ever seen someone who is realy ticklish on there feet, you dont have to use a brush. I cant stand ticklers useing brushs. If she is realy ticklish on her feet, fingers will drive her out of her mind and you better tie her down good. The troble is 90 % of girls are not that ticklish on there feet. But when you get the real deal, it can be great. They lose it even before you start the tickling, knowing they are about to get it and cant do anything about it.

This is soo true... online TK concentrates too much on the physical, and unfortunately usually loses the mental aspects.

I think the main problem for most of us is that most producers sell their fake (or soft if you prefer ) clips as real ,intense,extreme torture etc which means that they know what we really want but cannot or will not provide it, and that is not only fake but in any other industry would be considered fraudulent.

Yeah! Who's first to sue a tickle producer for false advertising?!