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What happened to all the big tickling pioneers and their preview clips???
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All you did was call me names and make it personal about me. You said NOTHING about the topic itself. You ignored what I wrote and just started with the name calling and how you want me to go away. Just because I dont agree with you does not mean you should call me names or ask for me to leave here.
jaba-As I said BEFORE I heard about the Chris Rock clip so I requested it. I never and still have not watched it. So I cant tell you if I liked it because I NEVER SAW IT. I have already explained that to you so why are you saying I ONLY like Chris Rock clips? Is that all you have to say? And you love bringing up my past posts which I also said had nothing to do with this topic...and you said I was right and you were sorry..so??
tcklft-very funny!!
All you did was call me names and make it personal about me. You said NOTHING about the topic itself. You ignored what I wrote and just started with the name calling and how you want me to go away. Just because I dont agree with you does not mean you should call me names or ask for me to leave here.
jaba-As I said BEFORE I heard about the Chris Rock clip so I requested it. I never and still have not watched it. So I cant tell you if I liked it because I NEVER SAW IT. I have already explained that to you so why are you saying I ONLY like Chris Rock clips? Is that all you have to say? And you love bringing up my past posts which I also said had nothing to do with this topic...and you said I was right and you were sorry..so??
tcklft-very funny!!
Tickle Fetish, I think you may be missing what people are saying to you.
You asked, "Why aren't people posting previews any more?" Other people replied that one possible reason was that their previews got them nothing but negative feedback, and cited you as a prime example. That's not a "personal attack." That's offering an explanation of the problem and suggesting that you are part of it. That may or may not be true, but whatever it is it's not an attack.
And the fact that you and a few others are so highly critical does not, by itself, indicate that the product needs to be improved. It shows that they product needs to be changed in certain ways before you'll buy it, but the real guide for any merchant is how well their sales are doing in general, not how well they're selling to any particular person. If producers find a niche that makes them money, then that's the niche they should stick with until it stops making money.
Now, I personally think that attack threads like those you post are one part of the issue, but you aren't the only one posting such threads. All are part of the problem. But there are a other reasons that I think are more important.
First, some producers are finding that preview clips are not a money-making proposition. They've weighed the people who won't buy without a preview clip against the people who just take the free preview and never buy, and they've decided that on balance they sell more videos without previews.
Another big part of the issue is right there in your title: where are all the old companies going? Well, some of them are going where many old companies go: out of business, slowly. Other companies are starting to replace them, and may or may not succeed. Time will tell.
You asked, "Why aren't people posting previews any more?" Other people replied that one possible reason was that their previews got them nothing but negative feedback, and cited you as a prime example. That's not a "personal attack." That's offering an explanation of the problem and suggesting that you are part of it. That may or may not be true, but whatever it is it's not an attack.
And the fact that you and a few others are so highly critical does not, by itself, indicate that the product needs to be improved. It shows that they product needs to be changed in certain ways before you'll buy it, but the real guide for any merchant is how well their sales are doing in general, not how well they're selling to any particular person. If producers find a niche that makes them money, then that's the niche they should stick with until it stops making money.
Now, I personally think that attack threads like those you post are one part of the issue, but you aren't the only one posting such threads. All are part of the problem. But there are a other reasons that I think are more important.
First, some producers are finding that preview clips are not a money-making proposition. They've weighed the people who won't buy without a preview clip against the people who just take the free preview and never buy, and they've decided that on balance they sell more videos without previews.
Another big part of the issue is right there in your title: where are all the old companies going? Well, some of them are going where many old companies go: out of business, slowly. Other companies are starting to replace them, and may or may not succeed. Time will tell.
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Good stuff,thanks for responding. I would like to hear from the tickle companies including TIB. He posts all the time and I have said the most about his clips. Magic is a mod here but he has yet to respond. No word from tickled2death either. And if I say something negative about a clip its because thats how I feel about it. I would like to know exactly why this is happening,is it cost? Are they out of business? Are they lazy? And if so why? Why are they going out of business? Is it the quality or lack of quality in the clips? Is it because there are not many people into these vids? Some of these companies are still up and running but never have a preview. And why have previews all the time and then just stop. And why does TIB post many previews every day while others post nothing in months? Just questions I have.
Good stuff,thanks for responding. I would like to hear from the tickle companies including TIB. He posts all the time and I have said the most about his clips. Magic is a mod here but he has yet to respond. No word from tickled2death either. And if I say something negative about a clip its because thats how I feel about it. I would like to know exactly why this is happening,is it cost? Are they out of business? Are they lazy? And if so why? Why are they going out of business? Is it the quality or lack of quality in the clips? Is it because there are not many people into these vids? Some of these companies are still up and running but never have a preview. And why have previews all the time and then just stop. And why does TIB post many previews every day while others post nothing in months? Just questions I have.
I'll be a little surprised if you hear much from the producers. First, if they aren't posting clips here then there's a good chance that they aren't reading the boards. We know from earlier posts that this is true of Renee at TP.tickle fetish said:
Also, frankly, you haven't endeared yourself enough to most producers that I think they'd take a lot of time to respond to a post like this. Sure, you're just saying what you feel, but that's not going to make them feel a bit more friendly toward you, since apparently you never feel anything good about them or their work.
No producer is going to say "Because I'm lazy," or "Because my product is no good." Even if you feel that way about them, chances are they do not. If they're going out of business then the ultimate reason is because they can't sell enough to make back their costs, but if there was something they could change in their videos to fix that, then presumably they would. It's possible that there are too many producers out there now for the market to support, and we're going through a shakeout. Or some of the other reasons that have been posted here may have merit. The producers may have reasons of their own having nothing to do with business. But as I say I'll be a bit surprised if they decide to discuss their reasons here, even assuming they know what those reasons are.
funny thread.....
Mr Fetish.....
I will try to explain my position, and hopefully stay on your topic.....
I believe that most tickle media producers are trying to put out a good, popular product, if for no other reason than to make money, and I don't fault them for that....
Some media, producers are good, some are very good, and some are bad, but that's just my opinion, and everyone here has different tastes and preferences, so what may be bad to me may be excellent to someone else, based on tastes....
But I truly believe that some tickle media producers have stopped producing in part because I don't believe that the tickle movie business is a particularly lucrative enterprise, and breaking even, or even turning a small profit, may not be worth the hassles and headaches....
Headaches like YOU, ticklefetish......you and folks like you, who have never, EVER, watched ONE tickle movie that you did not think was trash, people like you who have NEVER viewed a tickle model who you did not think was "fake", or a "porn star with a pathetic life" that was "only out to make a buck"....(YOUR words...check your post history....)
See, ticklefetish, sometimes your hate and negativity is infectious, and some folks just don't want to get ill with your constant hate rant....it drags everybody down....for you to go through an entire history of over 100 posts without ONE SINGLE positive comment for any tickle movie or producer, or model, is appalling, and amazing...but it is also your civil right to hate every tickle movie ever made....after all, this is the USA.....
If I happen to view a FREE tickle clip provided to us by a tickle movie producer, and it doesn't appeal to me, I just pass to the next clip that does appeal to me, and yes I do thank the tickle movie producer for the free clip and compliment the producer and model if I liked the clip......unlike you, tickle fetish, I don't have a burning desire in my heart to let EVERY producer know that EVERY clip is horrible....because every clip is not horrible, except in the mind of "ticklefetish".....I don't get the special pleasure you seem to get from spitting hate....maybe that's how you make yourself seem important and relevant in your world.......
And what's even more appalling and amazing, at least to me, is that the ONLY clip that you do not express hate for is some goofy "Chris Rock foot job" clip, which you request to see on our TICKLE FORUM website, yet you blast TIB and others for airing an orgasm clip?....
So forgive us, ticklefetish, if at some point your "hate all tickle media" circus sideshow act gets tired and old to us after awhile, and we all just roll our eyes and let you derive your unexplained pleasure from your "Chris Rock foot job" clip that you requested on a "tickle" website....
You must really live in unsatisfiable misery, ticklefetish, and I would not wish your life on my worst enemy......
Well, maybe on my worst enemy.....
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Mr Fetish.....
I will try to explain my position, and hopefully stay on your topic.....
I believe that most tickle media producers are trying to put out a good, popular product, if for no other reason than to make money, and I don't fault them for that....
Some media, producers are good, some are very good, and some are bad, but that's just my opinion, and everyone here has different tastes and preferences, so what may be bad to me may be excellent to someone else, based on tastes....
But I truly believe that some tickle media producers have stopped producing in part because I don't believe that the tickle movie business is a particularly lucrative enterprise, and breaking even, or even turning a small profit, may not be worth the hassles and headaches....
Headaches like YOU, ticklefetish......you and folks like you, who have never, EVER, watched ONE tickle movie that you did not think was trash, people like you who have NEVER viewed a tickle model who you did not think was "fake", or a "porn star with a pathetic life" that was "only out to make a buck"....(YOUR words...check your post history....)
See, ticklefetish, sometimes your hate and negativity is infectious, and some folks just don't want to get ill with your constant hate rant....it drags everybody down....for you to go through an entire history of over 100 posts without ONE SINGLE positive comment for any tickle movie or producer, or model, is appalling, and amazing...but it is also your civil right to hate every tickle movie ever made....after all, this is the USA.....
If I happen to view a FREE tickle clip provided to us by a tickle movie producer, and it doesn't appeal to me, I just pass to the next clip that does appeal to me, and yes I do thank the tickle movie producer for the free clip and compliment the producer and model if I liked the clip......unlike you, tickle fetish, I don't have a burning desire in my heart to let EVERY producer know that EVERY clip is horrible....because every clip is not horrible, except in the mind of "ticklefetish".....I don't get the special pleasure you seem to get from spitting hate....maybe that's how you make yourself seem important and relevant in your world.......
And what's even more appalling and amazing, at least to me, is that the ONLY clip that you do not express hate for is some goofy "Chris Rock foot job" clip, which you request to see on our TICKLE FORUM website, yet you blast TIB and others for airing an orgasm clip?....
So forgive us, ticklefetish, if at some point your "hate all tickle media" circus sideshow act gets tired and old to us after awhile, and we all just roll our eyes and let you derive your unexplained pleasure from your "Chris Rock foot job" clip that you requested on a "tickle" website....
You must really live in unsatisfiable misery, ticklefetish, and I would not wish your life on my worst enemy......
Well, maybe on my worst enemy.....
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now thats what you call a positive post,tickle fetish.See that folks,you really can say tickle fetish and positive post in the same sentence,lol.jaba said:Mr Fetish.....
I will try to explain my position, and hopefully stay on your topic.....
I believe that most tickle media producers are trying to put out a good, popular product, if for no other reason than to make money, and I don't fault them for that....
Some media, producers are good, some are very good, and some are bad, but that's just my opinion, and everyone here has different tastes and preferences, so what may be bad to me may be excellent to someone else, based on tastes....
But I truly believe that some tickle media producers have stopped producing in part because I don't believe that the tickle movie business is a particularly lucrative enterprise, and breaking even, or even turning a small profit, may not be worth the hassles and headaches....
Headaches like YOU, ticklefetish......you and folks like you, who have never, EVER, watched ONE tickle movie that you did not think was trash, people like you who have NEVER viewed a tickle model who you did not think was "fake", or a "porn star with a pathetic life" that was "only out to make a buck"....(YOUR words...check your post history....)
See, ticklefetish, sometimes your hate and negativity is infectious, and some folks just don't want to get ill with your constant hate rant....it drags everybody down....for you to go through an entire history of over 100 posts without ONE SINGLE positive comment for any tickle movie or producer, or model, is appalling, and amazing...but it is also your civil right to hate every tickle movie ever made....after all, this is the USA.....
If I happen to view a FREE tickle clip provided to us by a tickle movie producer, and it doesn't appeal to me, I just pass to the next clip that does appeal to me, and yes I do thank the tickle movie producer for the free clip and compliment the producer and model if I liked the clip......unlike you, tickle fetish, I don't have a burning desire in my heart to let EVERY producer know that EVERY clip is horrible....because every clip is not horrible, except in the mind of "ticklefetish".....I don't get the special pleasure you seem to get from spitting hate....maybe that's how you make yourself seem important and relevant in your world.......
And what's even more appalling and amazing, at least to me, is that the ONLY clip that you do not express hate for is some goofy "Chris Rock foot job" clip, which you request to see on our TICKLE FORUM website, yet you blast TIB and others for airing an orgasm clip?....
So forgive us, ticklefetish, if at some point your "hate all tickle media" circus sideshow act gets tired and old to us after awhile, and we all just roll our eyes and let you derive your unexplained pleasure from your "Chris Rock foot job" clip that you requested on a "tickle" website....
You must really live in unsatisfiable misery, ticklefetish, and I would not wish your life on my worst enemy......
Well, maybe on my worst enemy.....
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It seems Jaba you always have to get the last word and in the end it just comes down to you calling me names or thinking you know about my life or what kind of person I am. You started off in your last message making points but finished with the usual "would not wish your life on my worst enemy" stuff. You cant ever get through one post without calling me a name. You went off topic before and you said you were sorry. Now your back saying things about my life. You for now the third time bring up a clip I requested. ONCE AGAIN JABA I NEVER SAW THE CLIP...JUST REQUESTED IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE TICKLING IN IT. Should I say it slower??? I never saw the clip. You called the clip goofy but you also NEVER saw it. But thats the way you are,you speak about things you never saw or bought!!!! I am only here to make this place better,and saying everything and every clip is great and the best clip ever is not the way to do it. Its come to the point in here that if your a woman who has feet they are the best feet ever. Any feet pic that is shown its the same comments-GREAT,BEST EVER,ETC ETC same thing with any of the clips. Pointing out things that are not great makes this place better. Let me give you an example,try and follow this-Years ago at Yellowstone National Park they decided to remove all the Wolves because people dislike and dont understand them,they are afraid of them for no reason. Well what happened was the Deer kept breeding and breeding and because there were no wolves to hunt them and to "thin" out the deer numbers they started to eat everything in the park until there was little left. They were destroying the park and actually starving because there was too many of them. The people at the park decided the only way to fix the problem was to put wolves back in the park. It creates balance,and balance is healthy. Sometimes you need a few wolves to balance everything out. People who want to ban me or think I am here not to make this place better should remember that. Every clip I said negative stuff about I have bought or my friends have bought and sent me. If the clip was good I would say it was. Most of the clips I have watched in the last few months have been horrible. Once again we are talking about me and my past posts and not about this topic. Jaba and ticklesaurus-you have called me names and talked about what you think my life is. Lets hear from other people now,you said all you "need" to say about me. And since you love looking at all my past posts you will see I never call you names like "idiot" and I never talk about your life in a negative way like you talk about what you THINK my life is like. So because I said something about a clip you think you know me or my life? Its funny how you talk like your Mr positive but look at some of the names you called me and some of the words you used to describe my life. I guess your just positive about tickling clips and very NEGATIVE about people who disagree with you. Redmage-I understand some of your points but dont agree with all of them.
It seems Jaba you always have to get the last word and in the end it just comes down to you calling me names or thinking you know about my life or what kind of person I am. You started off in your last message making points but finished with the usual "would not wish your life on my worst enemy" stuff. You cant ever get through one post without calling me a name. You went off topic before and you said you were sorry. Now your back saying things about my life. You for now the third time bring up a clip I requested. ONCE AGAIN JABA I NEVER SAW THE CLIP...JUST REQUESTED IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE TICKLING IN IT. Should I say it slower??? I never saw the clip. You called the clip goofy but you also NEVER saw it. But thats the way you are,you speak about things you never saw or bought!!!! I am only here to make this place better,and saying everything and every clip is great and the best clip ever is not the way to do it. Its come to the point in here that if your a woman who has feet they are the best feet ever. Any feet pic that is shown its the same comments-GREAT,BEST EVER,ETC ETC same thing with any of the clips. Pointing out things that are not great makes this place better. Let me give you an example,try and follow this-Years ago at Yellowstone National Park they decided to remove all the Wolves because people dislike and dont understand them,they are afraid of them for no reason. Well what happened was the Deer kept breeding and breeding and because there were no wolves to hunt them and to "thin" out the deer numbers they started to eat everything in the park until there was little left. They were destroying the park and actually starving because there was too many of them. The people at the park decided the only way to fix the problem was to put wolves back in the park. It creates balance,and balance is healthy. Sometimes you need a few wolves to balance everything out. People who want to ban me or think I am here not to make this place better should remember that. Every clip I said negative stuff about I have bought or my friends have bought and sent me. If the clip was good I would say it was. Most of the clips I have watched in the last few months have been horrible. Once again we are talking about me and my past posts and not about this topic. Jaba and ticklesaurus-you have called me names and talked about what you think my life is. Lets hear from other people now,you said all you "need" to say about me. And since you love looking at all my past posts you will see I never call you names like "idiot" and I never talk about your life in a negative way like you talk about what you THINK my life is like. So because I said something about a clip you think you know me or my life? Its funny how you talk like your Mr positive but look at some of the names you called me and some of the words you used to describe my life. I guess your just positive about tickling clips and very NEGATIVE about people who disagree with you. Redmage-I understand some of your points but dont agree with all of them.
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Wolves are and have been on the endangered species list for a very long time. Thanks for the message. Wish you had more to say then just that one statement. I guess you dont watch too much animal planet. So much for my original topic.
Wolves are and have been on the endangered species list for a very long time. Thanks for the message. Wish you had more to say then just that one statement. I guess you dont watch too much animal planet. So much for my original topic.
Since your such the critic Tickle Fetish why dont you make a tickle video yourself....since you effectively dislike the content from 90% of producers out there. Then you can make it to your own very high standards
There will always be hit or miss videos/clips from producers...Not every girl is unbearably ticklish and stays that way for a couple of hours. In our dreams yes...reality No.
Fair enough wanting to criticise producers and there work but you just say how shit what they posted was and offer nothing constructive in your post
However dont get me wrong I agree with you to the point that the quality of clips so far this year havent been great, but thats not to say it wont get better. Theres always going to be periods when then quality of clips isnt that great.
There will always be hit or miss videos/clips from producers...Not every girl is unbearably ticklish and stays that way for a couple of hours. In our dreams yes...reality No.
Fair enough wanting to criticise producers and there work but you just say how shit what they posted was and offer nothing constructive in your post
However dont get me wrong I agree with you to the point that the quality of clips so far this year havent been great, but thats not to say it wont get better. Theres always going to be periods when then quality of clips isnt that great.
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So now I have to make a tickle video? Is that what its come down to? So if I buy a clip and I dont like it what should I say? You said YOURSELF the quality of clips this year has been poor. So you agree with at least some of the things I said. So your telling me to make my own clip...how about I just start my own tickling site?? Is that the answer to why the clips have been so poor from other companies? And my original statement was why dont tickling video companies update their sites or have previews. Its now become what I think of clips and my negative response to the clips I have bought or watched this year. If you agree with me the clips have been poor........should I then tell you to make a clip or start a website?
So now I have to make a tickle video? Is that what its come down to? So if I buy a clip and I dont like it what should I say? You said YOURSELF the quality of clips this year has been poor. So you agree with at least some of the things I said. So your telling me to make my own clip...how about I just start my own tickling site?? Is that the answer to why the clips have been so poor from other companies? And my original statement was why dont tickling video companies update their sites or have previews. Its now become what I think of clips and my negative response to the clips I have bought or watched this year. If you agree with me the clips have been poor........should I then tell you to make a clip or start a website?
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Look, you worked hard to build your history. Don't expect people to have bad memories or RESPECT you when your past is a freakin' click away.
You can get away with murder, move to another town and try to live a prosperous life.
Don't expect it here though. You earn respect.
What's sad is you get it by default here, you actually worked to lose it.
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Get away with murder and move to another town???? Wow that's a statement. So saying a clip is bad is now compared to murder??? Another post about me personally and not about the topic. I dont care who dislikes me here all I said was name calling and talking about my personal life has nothing to do with anything. And ace I never called anyone names or talked about any member's personal life. But your saying it's ok for people to call me names and talk about my life and what they THINK it is like. Not to mention it has nothing to do with the original topic. Ace you added nothing to this debate..just more of the same "talk" about me personally.
Get away with murder and move to another town???? Wow that's a statement. So saying a clip is bad is now compared to murder??? Another post about me personally and not about the topic. I dont care who dislikes me here all I said was name calling and talking about my personal life has nothing to do with anything. And ace I never called anyone names or talked about any member's personal life. But your saying it's ok for people to call me names and talk about my life and what they THINK it is like. Not to mention it has nothing to do with the original topic. Ace you added nothing to this debate..just more of the same "talk" about me personally.
tickle fetish said:
Dude, you act like this is the first forum I have ever visited.
You are a troll. You're trying to make me look like the bad guy by pointing out a single fact. "Saying a clip is bad is now compared to murder?", dude... I'm talking about your entire attitude on this forum.
LoL to hell with the post or whatever it was you were trying to say man.
LoL You expect respect and a sound argument when you've already classified as a troll.You exist to make a rise out of people.
Your sole purpose is to toss negativity and flaming onto the forums.
You feed off of posts, and the ability to socially engineer threads into being about you or about that which you're aiming for, which is usually so vague as to never go anywhere.
Your post history reflects that. I'm not talking about this thread, what you've done here, or yesterday, I'm talking about you and your reputation and the kind of things you illicit in folk. If you haven't noticed in the responces you've been getting.
However you've noticed, you love it, and right now I'm feeding that desire.
Let it be known though, I know what you want and what you're up to. This is no surprise to anyone here, you're a troll.
Trolls don't belong on a forum that was once considered "The Flame-Free forum". You've broken the Golden Rule quite a few times, and your criticism is neither respected, nor entitled... hell not even desired. Your opinion is void the minute you post it.
It's been said once, and I'll say it again. Learn to play, or stfu.
the "only" clip he's ever loved.....
"Ticklefetish" quotes....
I still can't wrap my mind around the fact that this guy has the nerve to "beg" tickle producers for more FREE clips....
It should be noted on this comical thread that "ticklefetish" has NEVER, NEVER, EVER cited a tickle clip that he liked, he has NEVER, EVER watched tickle media, from ANY source, that appealed to him, has NEVER, EVER found a tickle model that is "ticklish", in his opinion, and he will NEVER, EVER name even ONE tickle media production that he liked.....Many TMF members have asked "ticklefetish" numerous times to please, NAME ONE TICKLE MEDIA production that meets his obviously lofty standards....JUST ONE......but unfortunately, despite THOUSANDS of tickle media products, and MANY HUNDREDS of tickle media producers, and THOUSANDS of tickle models from all walks of life.....
Poor ticklefetish can't find ONE TRULY ticklish, NON FAKING, NON HORRIBLE CLIP....
I actually feel sorry for him.....imagine if you had a tickle fetish, but never saw a REAL TRUE tickle clip?
Sad.....and pathetic......
Perhaps he should change his screen name from "ticklefetish" to;
"Chris Rock foot job fetish"
since that's the only clip that he ever saw that appealed to him....
"Ticklefetish" quotes....
Anybody see a mentioning of any "tickling" in "ticklefetishes" requested "Chris Rock foot job" clip?...
I still can't wrap my mind around the fact that this guy has the nerve to "beg" tickle producers for more FREE clips....
It should be noted on this comical thread that "ticklefetish" has NEVER, NEVER, EVER cited a tickle clip that he liked, he has NEVER, EVER watched tickle media, from ANY source, that appealed to him, has NEVER, EVER found a tickle model that is "ticklish", in his opinion, and he will NEVER, EVER name even ONE tickle media production that he liked.....Many TMF members have asked "ticklefetish" numerous times to please, NAME ONE TICKLE MEDIA production that meets his obviously lofty standards....JUST ONE......but unfortunately, despite THOUSANDS of tickle media products, and MANY HUNDREDS of tickle media producers, and THOUSANDS of tickle models from all walks of life.....
Poor ticklefetish can't find ONE TRULY ticklish, NON FAKING, NON HORRIBLE CLIP....
I actually feel sorry for him.....imagine if you had a tickle fetish, but never saw a REAL TRUE tickle clip?
Sad.....and pathetic......
Perhaps he should change his screen name from "ticklefetish" to;
"Chris Rock foot job fetish"
since that's the only clip that he ever saw that appealed to him....
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More name calling. Now it's I am a "troll". More personal attacks and very little on topic. Jaba you once again have brought up the Chris Rock clip I requested. This is now what at least the third time you brought that up???? And for at least the third time I will say YET AGAIN I never saw the clip. Your so very DESPERATE at this point to find anything you can to make fun of me that you dont listen,read,or understand anything I wrote back to you in response to the Chris Rock clip. You go back and look at every one of my posts and try and find stuff to use against me. But like I said before I STAND BEHIND EVERYTHING I WROTE. And all you came up with was a clip request I never watched?? Is that the best you could do? And how many times are you going to respond with the same stuff over and over again. You have now brought up the Chris rock stuff at least three times and I have responded each time. And sure enough you come back with the same statement again. And another point I could care less if vid companies post preview clips I just ASKED THE QUESTION WHY???? And ace your saying I am looking for attention by saying everything is bad well that's like me saying you and Jaba are looking for attention because you say everything is great. Jaba wants everyone to KNOW what a positive poster he is. And Jaba if you want to go back and look at posts from months ago why dont you start with your post on how the voodoo doll tickling was real. I was told by others members not even to try and talk with you because they said your "mindless" in your responses (not my words) Once again your just talking about me personally and starting with the name calling. Jaba your off topic again. You said a few messages ago that you were sorry for going off topic....but here you are again doing the same thing. And ace just because a person does not agree with you that does not mean that person should be made fun of,called names or not respected. From what I have read I have given you and Jaba ten times more respect then you have given me.
More name calling. Now it's I am a "troll". More personal attacks and very little on topic. Jaba you once again have brought up the Chris Rock clip I requested. This is now what at least the third time you brought that up???? And for at least the third time I will say YET AGAIN I never saw the clip. Your so very DESPERATE at this point to find anything you can to make fun of me that you dont listen,read,or understand anything I wrote back to you in response to the Chris Rock clip. You go back and look at every one of my posts and try and find stuff to use against me. But like I said before I STAND BEHIND EVERYTHING I WROTE. And all you came up with was a clip request I never watched?? Is that the best you could do? And how many times are you going to respond with the same stuff over and over again. You have now brought up the Chris rock stuff at least three times and I have responded each time. And sure enough you come back with the same statement again. And another point I could care less if vid companies post preview clips I just ASKED THE QUESTION WHY???? And ace your saying I am looking for attention by saying everything is bad well that's like me saying you and Jaba are looking for attention because you say everything is great. Jaba wants everyone to KNOW what a positive poster he is. And Jaba if you want to go back and look at posts from months ago why dont you start with your post on how the voodoo doll tickling was real. I was told by others members not even to try and talk with you because they said your "mindless" in your responses (not my words) Once again your just talking about me personally and starting with the name calling. Jaba your off topic again. You said a few messages ago that you were sorry for going off topic....but here you are again doing the same thing. And ace just because a person does not agree with you that does not mean that person should be made fun of,called names or not respected. From what I have read I have given you and Jaba ten times more respect then you have given me.
Not 100% sure, but I think the reason that MTP Jeff stopped putting out material is because he is such a large icon in the tickling community now. This forum is immensely successful and I think it takes both hands to maintain. MTP is the first tickling video producer I stumbled onto; this is the company that made me aware that there were others like me. That being said, producing or not, Jeff is exempt from all negative criticism...
Thanks for reading,
- Rob
Thanks for reading,
- Rob
tickle fetish said:
The only people who could give you 'on topic' answers to your questions would be the producers themselves, I guess. Have you ever tried PMing or emailing them directly?
Now regarding all the 'off topic' answers you got - wondering why someone who never liked a single clip or video he ever saw is asking for more is a valid question is my opinion. Somehow this is beyond my understanding as well. If I've seen lots of stuff I don't like, I could care less why there is nothing new.
Nothing wrong btw with expressing your OPINION about clips you don't like. I'm sure the producers appreciate ALL kind of feedback as well. But there is a huge difference between saying 'I didn't like this clip - for whatever reason' or saying 'This clip is horrible'
time to say goodbye........
Ok this thread has gotten boring and repetitive, (like the creator of this thread), so I guess now is as good a time as any to end my participation.....
But let me leave you with 2 predictions that are more certain than the sun rising tomorrow.....
Prediction 1. :
"ticklefetish" will hipocritally refer to ticklemodels as " porn stars and low class actresses, fake screaming their way through their pathetic lives", (pssst....that "horrible" statement he made is in his post history...)
but if jaba calls ticklefetish "negative", he whines and cries like a first grader who lost his toy in the sandbox, moaning about being "personally attacked" in his next post on this thread......
Prediction 2:
"Ticklefetish" will NEVER name a tickle media product or model that he thinks is any good.....EVER......because he does not believe that ANY tickle media product is any good.....
This has been fun, and now we ALL know about the character that is "ticklefetish", and we ALL now know his sad and pathetic history, and his LOVE for "Chris Rock foot job" non-tickle clips...........
Ok this thread has gotten boring and repetitive, (like the creator of this thread), so I guess now is as good a time as any to end my participation.....
But let me leave you with 2 predictions that are more certain than the sun rising tomorrow.....
Prediction 1. :
"ticklefetish" will hipocritally refer to ticklemodels as " porn stars and low class actresses, fake screaming their way through their pathetic lives", (pssst....that "horrible" statement he made is in his post history...
)but if jaba calls ticklefetish "negative", he whines and cries like a first grader who lost his toy in the sandbox, moaning about being "personally attacked" in his next post on this thread......
Prediction 2:
"Ticklefetish" will NEVER name a tickle media product or model that he thinks is any good.....EVER......because he does not believe that ANY tickle media product is any good.....
This has been fun, and now we ALL know about the character that is "ticklefetish", and we ALL now know his sad and pathetic history, and his LOVE for "Chris Rock foot job" non-tickle clips...........
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In other words Jaba-
You really have nothing intelligent to say. Your like a little kid in school trying to pin a nickname on someone with your constant talk about the Chris Rock request. When I read your responses I dont feel like I am reading something from a confident,mature,intelligent man..I feel like I am reading something from a cocky,arrogant,im-mature scared, little boy. GOODBYE
You really have nothing intelligent to say. Your like a little kid in school trying to pin a nickname on someone with your constant talk about the Chris Rock request. When I read your responses I dont feel like I am reading something from a confident,mature,intelligent man..I feel like I am reading something from a cocky,arrogant,im-mature scared, little boy. GOODBYE
Myriads
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Since the arrival of Clips4sale the profitability of producing tickling videos has taken a severe hit, as the amount of 'home made' material has expanded tenfold.
Five years ago you needed a website, a CC processing system, a video editing system, and some high end cameras to make and then sell videos.
Today you can get a very very good video camera for a few hundred. Shoot your video, edit on your laptop, using software that is better then movie producers had less then a decade ago, and then upload it to Clips4sale who handle the entire storefront side of things with no problems for a small fee.
With the entry hurdles so much lower, many more people have entered the game. Some are amatures having fun. Some are couples who decided to share thier play. Many are combo fetish providers who do a lot of different fetishes and have added tickling to the mix.
The end result is that it's a much harder slog for the older school producers. Most of the ones you named subsidise their incomes by other jobs. The number that make thier living at it produce a lot of other material that draws cash from other groups (forced orgasm, foot fetish, etc) to keep the lights on.
It's a different market then 2002. And a vastly different one then 1997.
How has this changed things for the consumer?
Well on the plus side you have a ton more choices then you once did. There are literly several thousand tickling clips for sale on line at this moment. There is something for every taste if you look hard enough. Heck just yesterday I found that one of my favorite models had three tickling clips in her C4S store. A few clicks, my credit card, and some time to snag the several hundred megs, and I was able to enjoy. Fast, direct to my home, and no hassle. I got exactly the model I wanted, and did not have to buy a $30 video with her on it, and perhaps some other good stuff... or not. A big plus.
On the down side there is not a lot of incentive for a producer to make clips any longer for free. Their mateiral is often jacked and reposted for free download as fast as they make it. With the ability to make cash so limited do to the fragmented market, spending time or money to produce promos is not cost effective. And from what I've heard from producers, the promos don't seem to increase sales by any huge amount over one would expect to get from having a 'Hey New stuff!" advertisement.
Most clips you see are going to be of that nature now. Pieces done to tell you that a new product is out. Tickle Challenge and Last Laugh use clips to this end very well. As do several of the botique producers we've seen enter the market a bit harder the past months.
As a consumer it's easy to understand why someone wants clips. Tickling is a very variable fetish. We each key to different aspects. Is that in the video? Is the tickler any good? The model responsive the way I like? Etc. It's nice to know what you can expect before you pop out $10 or so for a clip.
I follow the reviews that get posted on things. I track models that I've enjoyed in the past (Heck for example, I've liked Devin DeMoore since the '90's and every year or so I find a new video or clip with her in it) And sometimes I buy a FM tape that looks amusing and see what pot luck brings. I'll buy a $3 sample clip to check style and if a model is fun. I recently found Savata (sp?) over at Tickle Challenge and she amused me, so I follow her work. It's like any media, you sample it and see if it fits.
But always remember the business is a marginal one. No pure tickling producer is making a hell of a lot at it. Clips are a bonus. We are not entitled to them. And for most of the history of the community one would plunk down $40+ on a video based on the box cover and pray it was not utter dreck. Today you can actually ASK others opinions in reviews and get some solid guidance. Amazing positive change.
Ok that's the question part of the thread. Now the moderation part of my job.
As to the reaction to the posters in the thread to your question, it's not overly surprising given your posting history. You have been consistantly one of the most negative posters in the clips forum. And they are not constructive critique posts, which is what most of them seem to be pointing out. They are simple slag the producer and product posts.
Saying something sucks, or that a model is ugly, and so on, does not help anyone one little bit. It does not help the producer, it does not help other potential customers. Why did it suck? Rarely do you say. The model is ugly? In your opinion. Not so for all folks. Your comments don't add to the community, they are just spot insults shouted out as you drive by. So other users who have seen your behavior over the years have called you on it, when you come here to ASK for free stuff from the very people you have spent your stay insulting.
Why SHOULD any producer answer your question? What have you ever given them other then negative comments? You have never shown them any reason to talk back to you. Posters are pointing that out. In retail terms you have shown yourself to be what is called a 'non-productive customer'. Most producers will take the view that NOTHING they make would ever please you, and that they could never get a sale from you. So you stopped being a customer in thier eyes. You are a voice they ignore without fear of lost dollars as they never had a shot to get any in the first place. Since they know they can't make anything from you, they don't spend precious time and resorces on talking to you.
No you should not have to produce your own videos as a poster said, but I've learned that when a user says that, they are really asking a question; "What would be good enough for you, if you were making the video?" It shows that no one has a clue about what you think is good. All we know is that you feel everything made since 1986 sucks. Ok. To you it does. But what would make it not suck? In all the things that have been posted and promoed here in the last 6 years there is not one that has good stuff in it? That's what users mean when they say 'go make your own stuff'. They are saying "Show us what you think is good."
As to making it personal you started this thread with personal attacks on producers. In that wall of words you opened with, you called producers traitors for not making new material, and denying that they did in the past. People's lives change, and they move on. While we don't tend to see much wrong with tied up naked people being tickled here on the good old TMF, a lot of employers DO. Not carrying a flag that said you made stuff like that is pretty understandable if you wish to have a shot at job advancement in some palces. There is still a stigma about having worked in the porn industry. Most people try to dodge it after they leave.
You opend the door on personal stuff with that and other comments. Other posters responded in kind.
It's all GR violations by the way. This thread has been on the edge of getting vanished a few times. So end the personal stuff on all sides folks.
The bottom line?
The number of free rides on seeing media is down because the market is brutal.
If you are endlessly negative with no constructive aspects, you will not win much respect. Lighten up, and at least try to say WHY things don't work for you. Remember that some aspects of videos are objective, and while they may not be to your taste they may well be spot on for others. Insulting things like that for no reason gains you nothing. Stop it.
Myriads
Five years ago you needed a website, a CC processing system, a video editing system, and some high end cameras to make and then sell videos.
Today you can get a very very good video camera for a few hundred. Shoot your video, edit on your laptop, using software that is better then movie producers had less then a decade ago, and then upload it to Clips4sale who handle the entire storefront side of things with no problems for a small fee.
With the entry hurdles so much lower, many more people have entered the game. Some are amatures having fun. Some are couples who decided to share thier play. Many are combo fetish providers who do a lot of different fetishes and have added tickling to the mix.
The end result is that it's a much harder slog for the older school producers. Most of the ones you named subsidise their incomes by other jobs. The number that make thier living at it produce a lot of other material that draws cash from other groups (forced orgasm, foot fetish, etc) to keep the lights on.
It's a different market then 2002. And a vastly different one then 1997.
How has this changed things for the consumer?
Well on the plus side you have a ton more choices then you once did. There are literly several thousand tickling clips for sale on line at this moment. There is something for every taste if you look hard enough. Heck just yesterday I found that one of my favorite models had three tickling clips in her C4S store. A few clicks, my credit card, and some time to snag the several hundred megs, and I was able to enjoy. Fast, direct to my home, and no hassle. I got exactly the model I wanted, and did not have to buy a $30 video with her on it, and perhaps some other good stuff... or not. A big plus.
On the down side there is not a lot of incentive for a producer to make clips any longer for free. Their mateiral is often jacked and reposted for free download as fast as they make it. With the ability to make cash so limited do to the fragmented market, spending time or money to produce promos is not cost effective. And from what I've heard from producers, the promos don't seem to increase sales by any huge amount over one would expect to get from having a 'Hey New stuff!" advertisement.
Most clips you see are going to be of that nature now. Pieces done to tell you that a new product is out. Tickle Challenge and Last Laugh use clips to this end very well. As do several of the botique producers we've seen enter the market a bit harder the past months.
As a consumer it's easy to understand why someone wants clips. Tickling is a very variable fetish. We each key to different aspects. Is that in the video? Is the tickler any good? The model responsive the way I like? Etc. It's nice to know what you can expect before you pop out $10 or so for a clip.
I follow the reviews that get posted on things. I track models that I've enjoyed in the past (Heck for example, I've liked Devin DeMoore since the '90's and every year or so I find a new video or clip with her in it) And sometimes I buy a FM tape that looks amusing and see what pot luck brings. I'll buy a $3 sample clip to check style and if a model is fun. I recently found Savata (sp?) over at Tickle Challenge and she amused me, so I follow her work. It's like any media, you sample it and see if it fits.
But always remember the business is a marginal one. No pure tickling producer is making a hell of a lot at it. Clips are a bonus. We are not entitled to them. And for most of the history of the community one would plunk down $40+ on a video based on the box cover and pray it was not utter dreck. Today you can actually ASK others opinions in reviews and get some solid guidance. Amazing positive change.
Ok that's the question part of the thread. Now the moderation part of my job.
As to the reaction to the posters in the thread to your question, it's not overly surprising given your posting history. You have been consistantly one of the most negative posters in the clips forum. And they are not constructive critique posts, which is what most of them seem to be pointing out. They are simple slag the producer and product posts.
Saying something sucks, or that a model is ugly, and so on, does not help anyone one little bit. It does not help the producer, it does not help other potential customers. Why did it suck? Rarely do you say. The model is ugly? In your opinion. Not so for all folks. Your comments don't add to the community, they are just spot insults shouted out as you drive by. So other users who have seen your behavior over the years have called you on it, when you come here to ASK for free stuff from the very people you have spent your stay insulting.
Why SHOULD any producer answer your question? What have you ever given them other then negative comments? You have never shown them any reason to talk back to you. Posters are pointing that out. In retail terms you have shown yourself to be what is called a 'non-productive customer'. Most producers will take the view that NOTHING they make would ever please you, and that they could never get a sale from you. So you stopped being a customer in thier eyes. You are a voice they ignore without fear of lost dollars as they never had a shot to get any in the first place. Since they know they can't make anything from you, they don't spend precious time and resorces on talking to you.
No you should not have to produce your own videos as a poster said, but I've learned that when a user says that, they are really asking a question; "What would be good enough for you, if you were making the video?" It shows that no one has a clue about what you think is good. All we know is that you feel everything made since 1986 sucks. Ok. To you it does. But what would make it not suck? In all the things that have been posted and promoed here in the last 6 years there is not one that has good stuff in it? That's what users mean when they say 'go make your own stuff'. They are saying "Show us what you think is good."
As to making it personal you started this thread with personal attacks on producers. In that wall of words you opened with, you called producers traitors for not making new material, and denying that they did in the past. People's lives change, and they move on. While we don't tend to see much wrong with tied up naked people being tickled here on the good old TMF, a lot of employers DO. Not carrying a flag that said you made stuff like that is pretty understandable if you wish to have a shot at job advancement in some palces. There is still a stigma about having worked in the porn industry. Most people try to dodge it after they leave.
You opend the door on personal stuff with that and other comments. Other posters responded in kind.
It's all GR violations by the way. This thread has been on the edge of getting vanished a few times. So end the personal stuff on all sides folks.
The bottom line?
The number of free rides on seeing media is down because the market is brutal.
If you are endlessly negative with no constructive aspects, you will not win much respect. Lighten up, and at least try to say WHY things don't work for you. Remember that some aspects of videos are objective, and while they may not be to your taste they may well be spot on for others. Insulting things like that for no reason gains you nothing. Stop it.
Myriads
tickle fetish
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Myriads-
Thanks for responding. Always good hearing from you. I learned a lot of new things about video companies etc etc. I agree with a lot of things you said. You do say things from the "moderator" point of view though on some other topics. Thanks again
Thanks for responding. Always good hearing from you. I learned a lot of new things about video companies etc etc. I agree with a lot of things you said. You do say things from the "moderator" point of view though on some other topics. Thanks again
