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What is it with SUV's?

BOFH666

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Okay, I give up, why do people who otherwise have a full contingent of brain cells turn into mindless idiots when behind the wheel of an SUV? For that matter why do they buy the hateful things in the first place?

This rant is a direct result of getting chopped not once, not twice, but thrice on the 4 mile trip to work this morning by three separate SUV's all loaded up with Mom and Kid. No, that's not a typo, these huge off-roaders really were carrying two people on the school run. One decided it wanted to be a lane further over, which was a shame as that was where I was driving at the time. The second decided to barge onto a roundabout but it was the third that had me cursing up a storm. Seems that the woman driving this vehicle doesn't want her kid walking more than two yards to the school gates so, and I swear I'm not making this up, pulls to a halt in the inside lane of a three lane road, puts the hazard lights on and gives the kid a long hard talk on the meaning of life, the universe and everything before letting him off right outside the school. Suffice to say I was uttering prayers of thanks to BMW for fitting brakes the size of dustbin lids to the 5 series otherwise the vehicle might have been seriously abbreviated as a result of this somewhat unorthodox parking maneuver.

Now granted, this could just have been a bad day, but sadly this is a regular occurrence around here and I just don't get it. I can't figure out what it is about SUV's that make people think they're somehow invincible on the road, or for that matter why people with so much money choose to buy one. I can understand people in a Defender having a certain "sod you" frame of mind as I've seen what happens when they have an argument with another vehicle. Doesn't matter what the other vehicle is it gets turned into a very small cube and the Landie MAYBE has a little scratch on the paintwork at point of impact. But we're not talking about a Defender and its ilk, we're talking about SUV's. These things are, by and large, not a patch on a proper car dynamically, they stop slower (and are therefore more likely to hit something), handle worse, accelerate slower and their gas mileage is bloody awful. I saw a Hummer H2 the other day sitting in traffic and I'd swear you could actually feel it warping the gravitational pull of the planet. This however was nothing compared to the sight of the driver starting and stopping the engine every time traffic lurched forward a few more yards in a desperate attempt to make it to the next petrol station before it gulped the last few gallons from the tank. At least companies like BMW and Volkswagen acknowledged the fact that most people want a SUV for the looks and built one that actually matched the equivalent car for handling and driveability and in fact the X5 is one of the very few SUV's I'd even remotely consider buying. Of course it goes without saying that taking such a vehicle off road is not a good idea but that's hardly a problem considering the target consumer.

And there, really, is the point. If you need to go off road, you don't buy an SUV, you buy a proper, honest to god four by four. More specifically, if you need to cross serious terrain in palatial luxury you buy a Range Rover and if you need to get places even the mountain goats won't tread you buy the best four by four in the world.... a Land Rover Defender. Better yet, buy two of them and get a mate to drive the other one as there hasn't yet been terrain discovered that can stop two Defenders working together. But the sort of people that are buying SUV's these days don't want a proper off-roader, they want, well, that's the question isn't it, what exactly DO they want in a car? If it's carrying capacity they're after a people carrier will give more seating capacity and an estate will give more boot space. If it's image they've failed already as the image of a SUV these days to other road users is one silly mustache away from becoming the Hitler of the motorways. And if the word "safety" is brought up, well most SUV's, especially those that are basically trucks in drag, are simply not designed for tarmac use. As a result they take longer to stop, are worse at making evasive maneuvers and in truth have worse crash protection for the occupants than most 'regular' vehicles. In fact SUV's are no safer for the occupants than conventional cars (with the average SUV ranking alongside the safest subcompacts) while presenting far greater risk to other road users. (http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t021full.pdf) Oh, and the majority are also far more environmentally-unfriendly as well.

Put this another way, I consider myself a decent driver who, and this is the important bit, is actually interested in what's going on around him while on the roads. I've learnt to take special notice of what cars I'm sharing the road with and what they're likely to do A couple of examples for you:

It's a Volvo T5 in the inside lane of a motorway doing 50. It's the local constabulary in an unmarked vehicle so ripping past at warp six isn't the brightest idea in the world.

It's a BMW 3 Series with a young man in suit and sunglasses behind the wheel. It's a rep and will be undertaking you half a second from the time you first see it regardless of what engine is under the bonnet.

It's a Mercedes S Class with a middle aged gentleman behind the wheel, it will sit behind you flashing its lights until you move your lesser car out of the way.

It's a Ferrari with a young, attractive lady driving, it WILL break the sound barrier away from the traffic lights.

It's an Aston Martin Vantage, get out of the way because it won't even notice you're there as it comes by, or through as the case may be, as a big Aston can headbutt a tower block and win.

It's a white Ford Transit van coming the other way down a narrow street. If you value your wing mirrors park up on the kerb or, if possible, in someone's garden until its gone away.

Yet show me an SUV and I will have no clue, not the first inkling of an idea about what it will do next. You can get a few hints if you can see those inside but these days all the windows are tinted so the only way to find out is to get in front of it. And that requires overtaking. And THAT is very, very dangerous indeed as you have no idea if it's being driven by a school mom who's trying to contend with four screaming brats and may suddenly realise that's her turning coming up and she needs to be over there NOW. This normally ends up with a kind of psychic conference between all those people wondering about overtaking which sees the fastest car in the pack shuffle up to the front. After completing the white knuckled overtaking maneuver the driver of this car will then break out the semaphore flags and signal to those still waiting behind what they're dealing with.

Still, could be worse I suppose, at least living in the UK we don't have to contend with that scourge of the American Highway - the Pick-Up Truck.

Now this one REALLY puzzles me. In Europe we dream of owning cars that accelerate quickly enough to create their own weather, that handle like their suspension and chassis were crafted by God himself (rumors that God works at Lotus are entirely unsubstantiated) and that look like moving sculptures. Cars like the Aston Martin DB9 for example:

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Yet, from conversations I've had with folks living stateside, their dreams are substantially different and are instead filled with vehicles you need a step ladder to get into, that come with your very own in-lane refueling truck (complete with driver) and that can carry three people. Or, to put it another way, a vehicle that makes you look like a successful plumber.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to start spouting nonsense about how the car manufacturers should insist on seeing an "intent to go off-road" document before selling one of these vehicles. We should all be free to buy whatever the heck we like it's just.... WHY buy things like this? If you're going to take them off-road then fine, I can understand that but if all they're going to do is sit on the tarmac and put huge profit margins into the bank accounts of car manufacturers while slurping petrol and throwing out up to 50% more pollution than a car, why buy one? Put it this way, the top of the range Ford F350 pick-up truck goes for about $41,000. For the same money you can buy a brand new BMW 525. Or, if you don't mind going second hand, a three year old M5. So... a supercar in sheep's clothing with a superb level of refinement and ride comfort, razor-sharp handling, elegant looks, peerless build quality and an engine crafted from the raw essence of speed itself or.... a Ford Truck. Hmm, tough choice.
 
I work for a division of Ford's

and a large part of what keeps us going IS the big stuff esp the FordF series.. At least from my limited point of view think tis the "Bigger 400 tones can plow a field and carry 10cows and do the Artic circle or the Australian Outback = better thing" ( or at least that's the mentality I have seen around work @ my place Tho in my part of Canada" super Lumberjacks slogging thru the mud and muck: 😉 I DO have to agree that SUV's can be annoying and the drivers of them take WAY too much advantage of their size and how much road they use up.


Oh and this article fromt he Detroit Free press about the rising gas prices in the USA kinda supports what you're saying
http://www.freep.com/news/driving/gas11_20040511.htm

For me jsut broke down , got rid of my clunker of a car and got a decent car( foreigh made but relaible as HELL) .. and she drives like a dream

Ghostie
 
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In defense of my Chevy Blazer ZR2, not all of us are doing what you claim. Don't lump me in with the rude soccer mom or the rich cowboy-wannabe. My dad was a truck driver for his entire life, and he raised me to respect the rules of the road and the other drivers around you.

The Sean Man
 
LOL, sorry man, didn't mean to give that impression. Of course not all SUV drivers are soccer moms, just as (in my case) not all BMW drivers are arrogant twunts. BUt I'm still curious as to why you pick something like that as your daily transport if you don't go off road or haul large ammounts of kit around on a regular basis? Again, not a criticism, just trying to wrap my mind around the idea (it's the European mindset on cars that's giving me problems I think).
 
I have a GMC Envoy, and could easily do without it. My primary purpose for having the vehicle was the safety associated with the four wheel drive during winter and rainy weather days.

However, i feel totally removed from the road surface, and would therefore prefer a smaller car which also happens to have all wheel drive.
 
This may sound weird.

I bought my Blazer back in November. At the time, I was driving a Chevy Cavalier, and had always driven small cars....I believe the largest vehicle I ever drove was my dad's Ford LTD, a true steel dinosaur of a car (I loved it, but my brother totalled it, sob sob).
Anyway, my cav was nearing the end of it's time, with repairs estimated at about a grand. I decided to invest that money in a new vehicle.
Not being an extravagent spender, I was looking for something small and economical, something like a Ford Focus or something similar. As my girlfriend and i looked over the dealerships, I considered a wide array of cars (drooling over the new Mustangs), but nothing really clicked with me.
We were crusing through a local lot and, how can I say this without sounding strange....I saw the Blazer and it just felt right. The test drive felt even better.
I wish I could give you technical reasons based in reality about why I bought it, but, like I said....it just felt right. Though i will always like the feeling of driving a sports car (close to the ground and sleek) I just feel open and free in my blazer. Go figure.

The Sean Man

:happyfloa
 
Re: This may sound weird.

The Sean Man said:
I bought my Blazer back in November. At the time, I was driving a Chevy Cavalier, and had always driven small cars....I believe the largest vehicle I ever drove was my dad's Ford LTD, a true steel dinosaur of a car (I loved it, but my brother totalled it, sob sob).

BLOODY HELLFIRE! I do not want to know how he managed that! Or, for that matter, what he hit as it presumably wasn't in the same shape afterwards.


Anyway, my cav was nearing the end of it's time, with repairs estimated at about a grand. I decided to invest that money in a new vehicle.
Not being an extravagent spender, I was looking for something small and economical, something like a Ford Focus or something similar. As my girlfriend and i looked over the dealerships, I considered a wide array of cars (drooling over the new Mustangs), but nothing really clicked with me.
We were crusing through a local lot and, how can I say this without sounding strange....I saw the Blazer and it just felt right. The test drive felt even better.
I wish I could give you technical reasons based in reality about why I bought it, but, like I said....it just felt right. Though i will always like the feeling of driving a sports car (close to the ground and sleek) I just feel open and free in my blazer. Go figure.

The Sean Man

:happyfloa

I know that feeling, my (bought cheap, like £500 cheap, from relatives) old people carrier / bike carrier was having a lot of problems and it was either spend money to get it through the MOT or go spend money on new car. Went for the second option and £1,000 bought me this:

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And no, it doesn't sound strange, the last "proper" car I had before the Bimmer was a Honda Prelude that did exactly the same thing 😀
 
That four door, midnight blue Ford LTD was going to be my car when I left for college after my senior year.
During a bad snow storm, my brother was driving it, and lost control coming down at onramp to the freeway. The main damage was to the frame.
Oh, how I wept...like a wee child.
That's a mighty sharp vehicle you have there...any modifications from Q branch on there?😀

The Sean Man
 
Bummer. And the lesson is: "always threaten relatives with bodily harm if they're driving anything that's going to be yours and it comes back any differntly from when it went out." 😀

On the plus side you've now got the Blazer. Umm, that is a plus isn't it? (Sorry, my knowledge of cars stops at the American market... 😉 )

And no, no mods whatsoever owing to:

a) insurance premiums that are high enough as is! :wow:

b) It doesn't need it! Might only be a 2.5 but it ain't slow, tops out at 140ish (umm, allegedly your honor, I'd never ever do such a thing on the public highway of course), 0-60 in 8 seconds or so and even with 130,000 miles on the clock she's still purring like a Beemer should do.

My mate keeps hassling me to turbocharge it though. Must... resist.... temptation.
 
the_Baron said:
I have a GMC Envoy, and could easily do without it. My primary purpose for having the vehicle was the safety associated with the four wheel drive during winter and rainy weather days.

However, i feel totally removed from the road surface, and would therefore prefer a smaller car which also happens to have all wheel drive.

*DING!* We have a winner! 😀 Actually, that's a very good point, four wheel drive systems on SUV's are designed to get the things over rocks and through rivers. All wheel drive on cars (Audi springs to mind here) tend to be built to give ridiculous levels of traction on tarmac and usually cope with snow and rain better than those systems on SUVs. Plus of course SUV's are carrying all that extra weight over a car and let's face it, on snow and ice momentum's a killer...
 
Hey BOF!!!!
How's it going man?!
Nice BMW By the way...

To the point...now I want you to add your soccer mom description AND have her talking on a Cell phone AND looking DOWN to dial the numbers:sowrong: :wow: :sowrong: !!! And she decides that your lane is her lane...and as your heart is in your throat she gives that little "oh my" wave and oops and keeps on going!!!!GRRRRR...
This makes me crazy!!!

I don't get the whole SUV thing either...I think husbands buy the SUV's for the wives so they don't kill themselves when they hit something🙄 AND they are gas guzzlers...and right now GAS is REALLLY expensive!
The problem is that up until now(or recently) the price of gas was relatively cheap so people didn't care that it took an extra $5 dollars to fill a tank from their previous car.

The other thing is that in America the station wagon didn't do well as fashion statements but mom's still needed to lug the kids and groceries and since an SUV fitted the bill it worked.

When Porche and BMW are making SUV's you know the world has gone crazy.

And I love the reviews of SUV's now that say"Drives like a truck" and that is a negative...newsflash...IT IS(or was) SUPPOSED To be a truck!
Oh well...

Now Trucks are a different matter, most people in the US that get trucks use them for construction work or towing or whatever, there is of course the whole low rider segement of trucks but they are really just cars with alot of room LOL

I agree that I would much rather spend $40,000 grand on a car, than on an SUV...oh and the seats in a car are MUCH better than any SUV I have ever been in.

Anyway, I am with you BOF...I don't get the SUV thing either...
 
Oh yeah, that's one of those moments when you do one of two things: Either stand on the middle pedal and pray to god you don't find anything slippery under the tyres or plant the gas to the floor and get the hell out of dodge.

Mobile phones are a problem all by themselves as, for some odd reason, people just seem to forget they're in control of several tonnes of moving metal while chatting away on the damn things. It's actually illegal to use them in this country now unless they're hands free, though thanks to a loophole in the law you can still text...

One thing I would say with the BMW though, I've actually had SUV drivers start to make a move, stop and go back after looking in the mirror. I think it's got something to do with a 13 year old car worth bugger all that's got half a ton of steel in the front wings bearing down on them...

Umm, don't go talking about gas being expensive to a UK citizen mate 😀 I filled up the tank today with premium (97 Octane, not required but the engine seems to like it) and cost 87.9 pence per LITRE! Last statistic I heard was that from every Pound we pay on petrol, 75 pence goes to the government.

Hey, at least BMW did the SUV thing right and built it for the road and muddy fields. Porsche co-operated with VW and, after seeing both of them on the road, the VW version is actually the better car!

I read a great article on the safety thing which basically said that SUV's represent a move from active to passive safety. In other words people are prefering to buy cars that will survive the impact with the oncoming vehicle, even though if they were in a smaller car they'd be able to avoid the accident alltogether. The problem is the safety image is total rubbish, they're actually no better (and in most cases, worse) than normal cars for survival rates and... well let's put it this way, when was the last time someone rolled a Honda Accord swerving to avoid a rosy-cheeked child who'd magically appeared in the street?
 
HMPH!!

Well, I AM a soccer mom! AND I drive my kid to school in my new Trailblazer. Sue me.😛 It's a luxury car on steroids and I like it that way.

Years ago, I experienced a wreck which left my head on the bumper of a Navigator, and a limp in my left leg for two years...so I prefer to be "up on their level" nowadays. Besides the size, I like having that second floor view of the road. I don't care what the stats of safety are. *I* have been in wrecks in a Mazda RX7, a Ford Escort, a Mistsubishi Galant (all space and gas savers) and a Ford Explorer. In the end, I was only jostled and bruised in the Explorer, but it held its own compared to the other cars which were all totalled. It was bigger and took more effort to crunch than the little tiny things that I used to drive. I'll never again place my child in a sardine can disguised as a car when the folks aiming at me are driving Chevy Suburbans!!

On the practical side, I also live on a beach where it comes in handy to have something that won't become totally saturated when it rains and fills my access road with water.

I drive an SUV.
I drive it defensively.
I am not aggressive on the road.
I have NEVER received ANY traffic citation in spite of the fact that I am the evil SUV driver with a kid in it!
Cheers!
😉
 
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