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Where God came from.

JoBelle said:
Though I appreciate the bible references, I have to say that they do little good for my answering my question about the formation of the deity. I'm not a believer of the Judao/Christian book, or creator.

That being said, my belief in God shall continue. I just have to get used to the idea that anymore than that....just won't be practical knowledge! LOL

J.

You're NOT a Christian Jo? I have to say I am surprised. You seemed very much a believer the last time we discussed Christianity. Or would you call yourself someone who believes in the general theme, but disgregards the things she has no use for? (Which pretty much describes me, really.)
 
Re: hmm, good question.

areenactor said:
my personal take is that there is a "god" possibly even "gods". no, not the catholic trifecta, but multiple gods, sharing duties/responsibilities. i believe god/gods created us, then just about washed their hands of us. i guess i go along with the old viking beliefs. god gives you life, and free will, it's then up to you to make it in the world.

god/gods just is/are, there to accept if you want, or to worry about, and suffer headaches as a result.

steve

Not a bad way of explaining things Steve. 🙂 I tend to think that there are many actual personages who exist in spirit and carry responsibilities, but that there is also something else that cannoy be described as a single entity. Perhaps God is best defined as being the sum total of all energy in existence, and which all things serve, even the evil.
 
JoBelle said:
I agree Kurtch. the Bible and many other religious texts are wonderful! They are full of life lessons that would be hard to condemn.

Wanna bet? 😛


JoBelle said:
Along with many that I'd rather not see repeated for that matter! For example, the Ten Commandments. Regardless of your religious stance, those are some good hard and fast social rules that if followed would keep a lot of folks out of trouble and away from a lot of pain!

I personally only give credence to 8 of the Commandments, but as a rule they're good social rules that any decent person should follow.
 
There are some things we weren't ment to know...

...or to understand, for that matter. As far as what I believe, let me say this. I have no doubt that when we get to Heaven, Nirvana, Valhalla, or whatever you choose to call it, we will all clap our hands to our foreheads, exclaiming "Of course! Of course!"
 
BigJim said:
You're NOT a Christian Jo? I have to say I am surprised. You seemed very much a believer the last time we discussed Christianity. Or would you call yourself someone who believes in the general theme, but disgregards the things she has no use for? (Which pretty much describes me, really.)


Whoa....somewhere along the line, things got mixed up.

I don't recall ever stating that I was a follower of Jesus. You've got me confused with someone else. There was a time when I was 18 at college where I toyed with the idea for a few months, but it never became somthing I could embrace. I have studied Judaism in recent years, but like the aforementioned religion, it's not one for me.

I do however stand bv my assertion that the Bible, like the Koran, and the Vedas and most of the religion that never found their way to paper all have something good to offer. Jim, do you really think there is nothing of worth in them?

Yup. You have me mixed up with someone else on that topic darlin'.

And DT...that's hilarious. I can jsut see myself with hand on forehead at that mo'.
Jo
 
JoBelle said:
I do however stand bv my assertion that the Bible, like the Koran, and the Vedas and most of the religion that never found their way to paper all have something good to offer. Jim, do you really think there is nothing of worth in them?

Jo

In a strange sort of way, yes there is plenty. Act in the exact opposite ways of the principle characters and you're doing well for yourself. All that rapine, plunder, slaughter, sacrifice, racism and biggotry makes my head spin.

Seriously though, there are some good lessons you can take from such works, but usually it's by way of making your own interpretation. No one religion turns out a rounded spiritual person, because they're all so limited and ultimately, constraining. People I admire in a reverse-pshychology sort of a way, are the ones who follow a religion but reject the parts of it that they deem to be wrong or irrelavent.
 
Re: There are some things we weren't ment to know...

Double T said:
There are some things we weren't ment to know,or to understand, for that matter. As far as what I believe, let me say this. I have no doubt that when we get to Heaven, Nirvana, Valhalla, or whatever you choose to call it, we will all clap our hands to our foreheads, exclaiming "Of course! Of course!"

I'm looking forward to it. Perverse of me eh? 😉

I think the idea that there are some things we aren't meant to know or understand can be limiting on a body. It's all on a sliding scale I think. None of us will reach the summit of it in this lifetime, but the levels we DO reach are largely determined by how much we choose to try and learn.
 
I'm a little late in this one but I haven't been around a whole lot lately. I've always pondered this question with no answer in sight. You just have to believe and accept.

No matter which stance you take, God or no God, something always had to be first. If you take the stance on an existing God, then what created him? You can't create yourself. If you go the other way, where did the energy come from to create the Big Bang? Something had to exist to create the energy and then where did that come from?

It's like looking in the mirror with a mirror behind you. It just goes on and on and...

😕
 
We are unable to comprehend the concept that God was and is and always will be..... that He always has been. Its profoundly interesting to consider, but the fact is, it is beyond our understanding. When asked his name by Moses on the mountain, God replied "I AM that I AM". Simple as that.
 
leafstk said:
When asked his name by Moses on the mountain, God replied "I AM that I AM". Simple as that.

Kind of what Popeye use to say - " I ams what I ams" 😛
 
The only Time is Now. Everything that has happend, Everything that can happen, Everything that will happen is all happening RIGHT NOW. As impossible as that sounds it is the Truth. Think of it this way...when did the past happen? It happend in The Now. When will the future happen? It will happen in The Now. All Times are accessible NOW!!! 😉

I have had personal expiriences with The Multiverse. The Multiverse is all possible outcomes (universes) in one. Then you get the Omniverse. The Omniverse is The Multiverse + every Dimension. We are currently existing in the 3rd Dimension and headed into the 4th and 5th. It is possible to percieve something on the 4th and 5th (and higher) dimensions without actually being there! This is why some people have seen Angels, Fairies and other entities which already exist on these "higher" dimensions. The Earth or Terra (hence my nick) will come into complete alignment with the rest of The Cosmos in December, 2012 according to The Mayan Calander which has been mathematicly proven to be the most acurate calander known to us. The Mayans were/are Time Masters. In 2012, Time as we know it will no longer exist and we will enter into a whole new "reality"! 😎

And in case you are wondering, yes I KNOW God exists and I also happen to know that God has been observing for a long time now, yet in these "last days", God (or Source Creator) has recently began DIRECTLY INTERVENING in what's going on! And remember: God works in mysterious ways! 😉

We are entering into The 7th Golden Age, which will be followed by the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th. After that I do not know yet. This Omniverse has been around for 50 billion years and it's entire purpose (or experiment - call it what you will) is to show that Light can Transmute Darkness to form an Even Greater Light! We are in the final days of this "experiment"! Very exciting Times, indeed! 😀

Peace, Love and Light

TA :cool2:
 
Well, I'm not so sure about your ideas in the grand scheme of things Terra, but hey, we're all entitled to our own oppinion.

Anyways, no one can say definitively what the exact timeline for God's plan is - period. Just to follow-up on a previous post I made, here's two more quotes to further explain the unexplainable....

"...the Alpha and the Omega... the Lord God Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 1:8

"...from everlasting to everlasting, Thou art God"
Psalm 90:2

Peace out 😀
 
Terra.... I started to follow your conversation, but where you started talking about angels and such, I think I got lost... One thing I would agree with you on is that this discussion boils down to the dimensional issue...

Many Physicists believe that before the Big Bang, far more dimensions existed than the ones we recognize today. Granted, this supposition is total conjecture. The only way to prove this idea is by using the most theoretical of mathematics. So, without going into a conversation that I would have no clue how to continue, I'll say this: if God exists, he/she/it must be some force that is not restricted by our 4 dimensions. Perhaps, God is the 5th Dimension (not including the pop group of the same name).

Anyway, the unfortunate thing about God is that whether or not this divine being exists, the idea in and of itself seems to be the cause of an awful lot of problems for humanity. If only people just didn't care, so that we'd have one less reason to kill each other for....
 
Nice thread🙂

Where God come from?

Read the BIBLE God's word you'll find all your answers there to Life and of your worrys and fears about this world. The single MOST and GREATEST Book ever written


Be Blessed people


tickle on:tickle:
 
have to ask 2 members something

blackrosesvamp, who's bible? there are several, which one?

terra ascention, why 2012? what happens to make that the time when boundries between dimentions fall? they did a buffy vampire slayer episode where dimentional borders were opened, and all manor of monsters came into our dimention/world. so why is this a good thing?
how do the myans know about the comming of "god", when they believed in multiple gods? which one of their gods did they believe was comming? if it was a "god" thing at all?

steve
 
MrMacphisto said:
Many Physicists believe that before the Big Bang, far more dimensions existed than the ones we recognize today.
Sorry, MrMacphisto: Serious scientists think that time came into existence with the BigBang. So there's nothing "before" it. It's hard to follow, because our brains need a time vector for organized thinking.

However, there are the so-called "string theories", based on mathematical calculations. According to those theories, either 11 or 26 dimensions existed shortly after the Big Bang, but they rolled themselves up into "strings", leaving only our 4-dimensional spacetime continuum to expand.

But all these scientific theories have nothing to do with "God". If there is a God, he must have created all the natural laws in the universe, and he'd stand above them. He wouldn't be a part of the universe, the multiverse, or the omniverse, but his creations (e.g. natural laws) are.

Contrary to human beliefs, religions have nothing to do with God either, although they claim otherwise. Religions are man-made sociological formulas, to enable a society to function. And all the harm that the religions did was man-made, too.
 
blackrosesvamp said:
Nice thread🙂

Where God come from?

Read the BIBLE God's word you'll find all your answers there to Life and of your worrys and fears about this world. The single MOST and GREATEST Book ever written


Be Blessed people


tickle on:tickle:

I'm glad you've found peace in the Good Book BRV, but there is a paradigm at work. There are at least half a dozen holy books around, all of which claim they are "God's" word, and that all the others are wrong. Which one is right? Answer: none of them, they're all a pile of crap written by the same people to set innocents bastards like us at war with each other.

Most of the Old Testament for instance, was written by the Levite priesthood, not God or anyone inspired by him. Not even the RC Church claims that the Gospels were written by Mattew, Mark, Luke and John; they're only named after them.
 
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Re: have to ask 2 members something

First off, I'll apologise for answering questions not directed to me. This subject is however something that I know a great deal about. If TA should wish to provide his own answers to these questions, please don't let me get in the way.


areenactor said:
blackrosesvamp, who's bible? there are several, which one?

I would guess that he's referring to the KJB or another version of the Christian doctrine.


areenactor said:
terra ascention, why 2012? what happens to make that the time when boundries between dimentions fall?

The galaxy (and probably the universe) runs on periodic cycles, with opposing polarities of Universal Energy holding sway with a complete cycle of 26,000 years. (Thus each polarity holds sway for 13,000 years.) This is caused by the rotation of our solar system around the centre of the Milky Way galaxy, and the Galactic Sun. We're currently on the threshold of crossing from negative polarity into the positive. This will connect people on Earth with abilities long thought to be lost, including many psychic abilities and the biggest spiritual revolution in history. The process will be more or less complete (allegedly) in 2012, although the first tremors of the new age were felt back in the 1960's, hence the explosion of things like the Flower Power Movement. It was a bit much to cope with at first though, which is why things were so out of balance in the 60's. Imagine a bowl full of water and all of a sudden, a big deluge of more water (energy) is poured in. Although the influx of energy is ultimately good, what do you get? Chaos, unsteadyness and shit flying everywhere. It's not until the water reaches it's new level and the pouring ceases that we get some semblance of order again.

areenactor said:
they did a buffy vampire slayer episode where dimentional borders were opened, and all manor of monsters came into our dimention/world. so why is this a good thing?

I'd be very careful before you take anything from a Buffy The Vampire slayer script too seriously mate. TV producers sensationalise on things about which they know very little. Grab viewing figures it may, but accurately portray a natural phenomenon it don't.

areenactor said:
how do the myans know about the comming of "god", when they believed in multiple gods? which one of their gods did they believe was comming? if it was a "god" thing at all?

steve

The Mayans are generally believed to have been expert in the powers of the mind and were NOT, as is usually portrayed, a bunch of blood-thirsty human sacrificers; that was the Aztecs, who came immiediately after the Mayans. The Mayans were an extremely gifted people capable of art, culture, spirituality and prophecy. They were however, only interpreting their visions as best they could and should not be considered totally infallible.

The god the Mayans expected to return was Queztalcoatl. This chap was sent to earth as the result of a divine conception with a virgin, by the chief god of the Central American peoples. He taught agriculture, music, arts and so on. He healed the sick, raised the dead back to life and was killed by being nailed to a cross. Lying dead in his tomb for three days he returned to life and shocked the arse off his 12 followers, one of whom thought he was seeing a spirit, until Big Q let him touch him to show he was physical. He finally returned whence he had come, crossing the sea on a raft made of snakes. Sound a little bit familiar?

Quetzalcoatl was the antithesis of Tezcatlipoca, who was the god of darkness and material posessions. (And also his brother.) He was said to be due to return at the End of Days and rid the world of evil. His name translates as "the plumed serpent" or "the feathered snake", depending on how you verbalise it. When a certain Senor Cortez landed in Central America he landed wearing lizard skin clothes and a huge hat with enormous feathers coming out of the top. Only a coincidence of course. The natives thought they were seeing the return of Quetzalcoatl and celebrated wildly, only to be slaughtered in their hundreds of thousands. What a git, eh?
 
Haltickling said:
Contrary to human beliefs, religions have nothing to do with God either, although they claim otherwise. Religions are man-made sociological formulas, to enable a society to function. And all the harm that the religions did was man-made, too.

I'd have phrased it slightly differently, but give this man a prize, cos he's nailed it!
 
Re: Re: have to ask 2 members something

BigJim said:
First off, I'll apologise for answering questions not directed to me. This subject is however something that I know a great deal about. If TA should wish to provide his own answers to these questions, please don't let me get in the way.




I would guess that he's referring to the KJB or another version of the Christian doctrine.




The galaxy (and probably the universe) runs on periodic cycles, with opposing polarities of Universal Energy holding sway with a complete cycle of 26,000 years. (Thus each polarity holds sway for 13,000 years.) This is caused by the rotation of our solar system around the centre of the Milky Way galaxy, and the Galactic Sun. We're currently on the threshold of crossing from negative polarity into the positive. This will connect people on Earth with abilities long thought to be lost, including many psychic abilities and the biggest spiritual revolution in history. The process will be more or less complete (allegedly) in 2012, although the first tremors of the new age were felt back in the 1960's, hence the explosion of things like the Flower Power Movement. It was a bit much to cope with at first though, which is why things were so out of balance in the 60's. Imagine a bowl full of water and all of a sudden, a big deluge of more water (energy) is poured in. Although the influx of energy is ultimately good, what do you get? Chaos, unsteadyness and shit flying everywhere. It's not until the water reaches it's new level and the pouring ceases that we get some semblance of order again.



I'd be very careful before you take anything from a Buffy The Vampire slayer script too seriously mate. TV producers sensationalise on things about which they know very little. Grab viewing figures it may, but accurately portray a natural phenomenon it don't.



The Mayans are generally believed to have been expert in the powers of the mind and were NOT, as is usually portrayed, a bunch of blood-thirsty human sacrificers; that was the Aztecs, who came immiediately after the Mayans. The Mayans were an extremely gifted people capable of art, culture, spirituality and prophecy. They were however, only interpreting their visions as best they could and should not be considered totally infallible.

The god the Mayans expected to return was Queztalcoatl. This chap was sent to earth as the result of a divine conception with a virgin, by the chief god of the Central American peoples. He taught agriculture, music, arts and so on. He healed the sick, raised the dead back to life and was killed by being nailed to a cross. Lying dead in his tomb for three days he returned to life and shocked the arse off his 12 followers, one of whom thought he was seeing a spirit, until Big Q let him touch him to show he was physical. He finally returned whence he had come, crossing the sea on a raft made of snakes. Sound a little bit familiar?

Quetzalcoatl was the antithesis of Tezcatlipoca, who was the god of darkness and material posessions. (And also his brother.) He was said to be due to return at the End of Days and rid the world of evil. His name translates as "the plumed serpent" or "the feathered snake", depending on how you verbalise it. When a certain Senor Cortez landed in Central America he landed wearing lizard skin clothes and a huge hat with enormous feathers coming out of the top. Only a coincidence of course. The natives thought they were seeing the return of Quetzalcoatl and celebrated wildly, only to be slaughtered in their hundreds of thousands. What a git, eh?

ok smart butt. i know buffy is just a t.v. show. i was trying to convey a point using humor. that being we have no idea what is lurking on the other side of dimentional barriers! maybe god put up those barriers to keep some nasty beasties away from us good kids?
maybe there are monsters, maybe there is nothing, maybe this is all a load of tripe, and there's no such thing as other dimentions?!

there are many religious texts around the world, from many religions, my point was that as you said in an earlier post today jim, who's to say who's correct? man is too self induldged to realize they may be wrong! btw jim, i loved your reply to crydens post.

the myans were not as blood thirsty as the aztecs, or toltecs, but they were not all boy, and girl scouts! their empire reached all the way into what is today, the central united states.
and i repeate, they had multiple gods as you know, the idea of "one true god" was non-existant to them. so t.a.'s idea of the myans predicting the comming of god, in 12/2012, along with the falling of dimentional barriers is ridiculous.

steve
 
Re: Re: Re: have to ask 2 members something

areenactor said:
ok smart butt. i know buffy is just a t.v. show. i was trying to convey a point using humor. that being we have no idea what is lurking on the other side of dimentional barriers! maybe god put up those barriers to keep some nasty beasties away from us good kids?
maybe there are monsters, maybe there is nothing, maybe this is all a load of tripe, and there's no such thing as other dimentions?

Not the first time I've ever missed a humourous remark by a million miles, is it? 🙄
Maybe he did, but then again maybe not. Here's an additional idea to chew on...

Barriers of whatever kind, whether it's the physical distance between Earth and Mars, or the vibrationary distance between us and the fifth dimension, are there as hurdles which we always strive to overcome. There's certainly no need to fear them just because we aren't yet familiar with them though, just as there was no need to fear lions as a race, before we'd properly explored Africa. Once we go there, lions, though still ferocious and frightening when they land on top of you, were no threat to us at all. There are many, many things to discover in other dimensions, but we'll co-exist with them, just as we have with everything else we've discovered.

areenactor said:
there are many religious texts around the world, from many religions, my point was that as you said in an earlier post today jim, who's to say who's correct? man is too self induldged to realize they may be wrong! btw jim, i loved your reply to crydens post.

I don't think any of them are correct to be honest. There's the odd golden nugget here and there, but nothing I'd care to base my hope of everlasting life on.

I puzzled a bit over how to reply to Crydun. She's a largely innocent and lovely person, without a shred of malice in her. Her view is typical though, of someone who pins their faith on any one err... faith. I give God a lot more credit than any person who conforms to a particular faith, because I don't believe He'd create millions of people who have no hope of salvation, simply because they were born 5,000 miles too far to the east. If Crydun's (and kis123's) point of view is correct, then God is the Universe's most petty, biggotted, racist wanker in existence. Even if he is all powerful I'd consider it morally wrong to ally my faith to such a deity. Why should I, just because He's so strong? That'd be cowardly.
Thankfully, I have a lot more faith in God than devout Christians do.

areenactor said:
the myans were not as blood thirsty as the aztecs, or toltecs, but they were not all boy, and girl scouts! their empire reached all the way into what is today, the central united states.
and i repeate, they had multiple gods as you know, the idea of "one true god" was non-existant to them. so t.a.'s idea of the myans predicting the comming of god, in 12/2012, along with the falling of dimentional barriers is ridiculous.

steve

Oh don't get me wrong, they were'nt a shining example of moral courage by any means! They just weren't as ignorant and blood-obsessed as the Aztecs and most modern day Republicans. 😀

(That was a JOKE, for all those who didn't get it!)

Multiple Gods: What faith doesn't? When Christianity supplanted the older "pagan" religions, it's figures took over the old roles. Just as Jesus took on the identity of the Saviour from Quetzalcoatl, Horus, Mithra, Frey, Balder, Tammuz, Ninuz and Dionysus, so figures like St. George and St. Michael assumed their own positions. Both of those worthies were Middle and Near-Eastern deities under other names originally. Quetzalcoatl was simply the leading figure in Central America.

(To be strictly accurate, he was Quetzalcoatl to the Aztecs and Olmecs, whereas the Mayans and earlier tribes knew him as Kukulkan.)

Of course one of the 10 commandments instructs Christians to use the term "god/God" only when referring to the chief deity. Christianity is just as obsessed with multiple deities coming back at the End of Days, but only Jesus would actually be afforded the title, with a supporting cast of angels, saints and the saved.
 
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