Why does it seem most producers want the same old cookie cutter reactions in clips?

[porcelaindoll2]

I am just curious as to why most producers want the same old cookie cutter reactions from models? They seem to want every model to be howling or shrieking with laugther and most of the models look like they are just putting up with it or hate it. Is this the only thing that sells? Everyone reacts different to tickling, so why do most producers only want to only show one reaction? I just had a producer turn me down after talking about shooting a month in advance the day before the shoot after he decided he had to watch the video my boyfriend and I made a while back. Wanted to see if he could use me and sadly decided I wouldn't work not long after watching.

 

[Candygirl]

The only thing I could tell you is that producers shoot what sells. If people weren't buying the "same old cookie cutter clips" (in your words) then they wouldn't keep making them. I can't say for anyone else, but I've seen several clips from several different producers, and it's a wider basis of reactions that I see, depending on the model and the producer. Again, mostly the answer to your questions would be that they shoot what sells. Plain and simple. Hope this helps.

 

[Libertine]

I am just curious as to why most producers want the same old cookie cutter reactions from models? They seem to want every model to be howling or shrieking with laugther and most of the models look like they are just putting up with it or hate it. Is this the only thing that sells? Everyone reacts different to tickling, so why do most producers only want to only show one reaction? I just had a producer turn me down after talking about shooting a month in advance the day before the shoot after he decided he had to watch the video my boyfriend and I made a while back. Wanted to see if he could use me and sadly decided I wouldn't work not long after watching.

Due to the relative rarity of this fetish, video producers have to appeal to the broadest spectrum within it if they are to sell enough copies of the clip to have a hope of recouping their production costs. Thus, no matter how 'real' the reaction, if it doesn't 'read' on camera, the average viewer will either miss it entirely, be unconvinced by it, or think it's not interesting enough to titillate. To quote from a post on a related subject I made in late 2010,

"KittenToes and I have often shot with the late (Nov 8, 2010) and very much lamented Maria Shadoes of www.boundtoloveit.com who told us an amusing story of how, after many years of professionally faking howling orgasms in bondage on video, she once, to her embarrassment, had a real one during filming. The director stopped the camera, told her it was completely unrealistic, and demanded a retake. Unless you know and have played with the woman in the video, you really can never be certain of how honest her reactions are."

Sorry the job didn't work out, but having spent my working life in the entertainment industry (a bit of adult but mainly otherwise), I can tell you with complete and much-regretted certainty that not every audition or communication you have with a casting person or producer results in a booking.

 

[turtleboy]

It comes down to the expectations of the customer/potential customer (which are not always that realistic) I have shot ridiculous amounts of footage with models that I will never release because I know it wouldn't sell or go down particularly well, which is a shame when you know that the models are ticklish and the reactions are real.

In my experience a really ticklish person may scream their head off or they may thrash around and hardly make a sound, or they may not do either of those things. A lot of people expect crazy reactions due to pre-conceptions about how ticklish people react and this often dictates which clips/models get released. Personally, I love shooting models with quieter reactions as it gives my ears a break and I don't have to worry about disturbing anyone in the neighbourhood! I just hate the sinking feeling when I realise that I'm not going to end up using a scene for the same reason though.

 

[mattovil]

while i'm not a producer, i think that the quiet reactions can be as enjoyable to watch as the loud and thrashing reactions in a video. keep in mind i may be alone in this but that is my two cents

 

[porcelaindoll2]

Your reaction is sensitive, not ticklish. I can see why the producer cancelled. You probably misrepresented yourself too, saying your very ticklish and all... I bet the producer was relieved to see your video before you showed up. I think you want to believe that you are ticklish though.

I told him I was ticklish, but I never tell anyone very. Ugh this was just one video and you've never tickled me. I can see how the producer felt, but waiting till the last minute was unprofessional. I am curious how do you think someone being tickled is suppose to react? Everyone acts different to being tickled and believe it or not, everyone doesn't always go into fits of laugther the whole time. Although there as been times where my boyfriend has tickled me and I actually go into fits of laugther, but for the most part I really really enjoy being tickled. Tickling is highly erotic for me, so therefore I am not going to be screaming please stop all the time. Plus I tend to moan more. Obviously most customers don't want to see a woman who finds tickling highly sexual and actually enjoys it. That video was also labeled "erotic" tickling. My boyfriend was trying to please me more then tickle me, so yes in that particular clip I was more sensitive. I am done defending myself to the close minded and messing with annoying producers. My boyfriend and I will soon be looking for a camera person for our own clips for sale. I feel it is time for something different in the tickling world.

 

[turtleboy]

I can see how the producer felt, but waiting till the last minute was unprofessional. I am curious how do you think someone being tickled is suppose to react? Everyone acts different to being tickled and believe it or not, everyone doesn't always go into fits of laugther the whole time.

I am done defending myself to the close minded and messing with annoying producers. My boyfriend and I will soon be looking for a camera person for our own clips for sale. I feel it is time for something different in the tickling world.

You don't have to defend yourself. I'm sure that most producers aren't annoying and would understand where you are coming from as we get used to seeing different reactions and so would probably relate to the experience. Even when you find a model with uncontrollable, hysterical reactions someone will inevitably decide that they are faking, or complain that they're screams are too loud so you can't win in that respect!

I can understand why the producer had reservations about using you though if he felt your own reactions wouldn't be marketable for his purposes. He shouldn't have cancelled on you last minute however. Personally speaking, I don't expect models to provide 'evidence' of their ticklishness before a shoot as it's not practical, and I don't ever cancel but that's just me. Sometimes models turn up and really aren't ticklish at all, even though they've told me they are. They still get paid and the footage gets deleted, which is annoying but I see it as part of the process...good luck with shooting your own stuff anyway.

 

[KaBand]

I'm no producer but I would think the most important thing is truth.
If you like something great, buy it, if not, piss on it!

 

[chicago]

Why do producers want cookie cutter reactions?

Because porn is not real life.

But, honestly, exaggerated reactions convey hyper-ticklishness, a trait some find more attractive than a bangin' body in our community.

 

[turtleboy]

Thats crazy business model you have there Turtleboy...

If you hire someone to roof your house, and they show up and don't know how to roof a house, do you pay them anyways and let them leave? No. Why is this any different?

Why don't you make it really clear to these potential models that they have to genuinely react in a way consistent with examples of your videos, and know if they show up and really have misrepresented themselves that they will be sent home with no pay. If they arent sure about how they react, then they know they risk the chance of being sent home. Or else, have something else to shoot with them.

This is not the first time Ive read a producer on here say something to this affect about paying models who they cant use the video from. Makes no sense to me. Other than maybe you want the model to tell their friends that they can hustle you the same way if they want?

Because hiring someone to roof your house is very different to hiring a model to be tied and tickled. It isn't as straightforward a process as you might assume and there are a lot of different factors involved. Ultimately, if I choose to hire a model and she doesn't work out then it is my loss and I won't hire her again but I am not going to send her away without being paid - especially if she has travelled 3 hours to get here (I probably wouldn't hire a roofer from another part of the country)

It is not always the model's fault. I don't really hire fetish models that specialise in bondage, tickling etc as I am interested in original models who aren't part of a fetish 'scene'. The majority of people in this world have never been tied and tickled, and that goes for the majority of models also - no model can say with certainty how she will react in a spontaneous real-life situation as it is the involuntary reactions that are being captured. Some people believe they are ticklish but when it comes down to it they just aren't as much as they thought. Often the unnatural situation, the uncomfortable bondage (particularly for people who don't do bondage in their everyday lives), the fact of being tickled by a stranger, the pressure to actually be ticklish (on camera!) while shooting clips for a fetish they never previously even knew existed - all of these things can make someone less reactive than when they were last tickled by their boyfriend while relaxing in front of the TV or whatever. That is why second and third shoots very often result in better footage. The model is more relaxed, more comfortable and I have a better idea of what will work on them.

None of the above is the fault of the model, and refusing to pay them because I didn't get I was hoping for on a first shoot would be unprofessional and lead to a poor reputation. I don't pay models based on their ticklishness, I pay them to turn up and do a shoot. Thankfully, I have a strong reputation built on treating models with courtesy and respect and as a result, am fortunate to be contacted by new models via word of mouth all the time. Trying to guage whether or not a new model will be suitable is not an exact science and sometimes I have to take a risk and hope that the she will work out. I had to take this risk for some of my best-selling models and while the gains outweigh the losses, my business will hopefully continue to survive!

 

[chicago]

Reactions to tickling depend on a lot of things. I'm not going to react the same way being tickled by a stranger if I am nervous or uncomfortable than I would be tickled by my boyfriend. It also depends on mood. Model or not, I don't think it matters.

Though, they could fake it. If you're into that sort of thing.

 

[turtleboy]

Well I have to disagree, it is entirely the fault of the model ( unless of course they are a hermit - see below )

As for the models not knowing how they react. Total BS. Especially with models ( good looking women ) who no doubt have loads of male friends who they could easily request to do a little test prior to setting up shoot. It wont be a spontaneous situation for them to request their friend take their foot and tickle it for a minute. I would think that should give a pretty good idea if they are ticklish or not. Only thing is if they dont want anyone to know they are doing a tickling video, or maybe just clam up when they arrive ( which if they are that nervous maybe shouldnt have taken the job? )

Someone is paying them for a specific quality, the least they can do is test it out prior to accepting. Unless of course they point out they genuinely are not sure prior and then said producer still wants to take the risk.

Again, I think you are making a lot of assumptions about how things actually work. At the risk of repeating some of my above points, being briefly tickled by a friend/boyfriend is nothing like the unnatural situation of a tickle shoot with a stranger, and so is not always an indication of how they would be in a scene. Also, there is a limit to how much you can realistically push someone for the detailed information ahead of a shoot. Asking a couple of questions is fine - interrogating models and expecting them to send you an audition tape in the post is unrealistic.

I work with some quite high-profile glamour models who shoot mainly magazines, newspapers and do little or no fetish (or even video) work at all. Some of them wouldn't consider doing this kind of shoot, were it not for the recommendations and feedback from other girls. Not every one will be a winner when I come to shoot them but those that are, are worth the time and cost involved. Professionalism and people skills count for a lot in the industry and in my experience it's worth putting in the groundwork to build good relations with models and earn a reputation...and if I didn't take the risks I would have passed up on shooting some very hot models that turned out to be best sellers for me.

 

[Libertine]

I commend your professionalism, Turtleboy. In the film world a performer gets paid even if his or her scenes end up on the cutting room floor.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/and-kevin-costner-as-the-corpse-14-cases-of-actors,43682/

 

[ISUmark]

Annie and Turtle are right bro. I assume its the same in the vanilla porn business. Whereas a woman who is great in bed may not be a good porn actress simply because of being put in a different situation and loads of pressure to perform on camera. I can totally understand this, and Turtles business model is pretty sound imo

 

[porcelaindoll2]

^Funny how you just completely ignored my post where I quoted your first post and asked you some questions.

 

[porcelaindoll2]

Every realized that some people just don't move when being tickled? I never usually never move because I don't want to due to liking it. Just curious how many people do you get to play with? You do make some valid points, but this is my last post to you because at the end of day that was only one video and you've never played with me, so I feel you(Plus the annoying producer)really can't fully judge me. I'd like to model in videos, but I surely don't need to do it to get my tickle fix.

 

[porcelaindoll2]

I have made more videos with my boyfriend where I react differently I've just been lazy. I'll post one other one and then that will be it since someday soonish will start a clips for sale studio. People will either buy or they won't buy.