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[QBWeaver]

I don't get where you're coming from Neutron. This site clearly states this is a website for people OVER 18. It encourages under 18 to go to other websites. In fact, several of the folks on here were putting together a website for the teens who had this interest but were not to be in here. I'm pretty sure that got put up but I don't know where to access it or I'd put in the link.

There is no way to guarantee 100% that everyone on this site is over 18. Teens sign on under different names and create their profiles stating they are much older at time. Guys pose as women, women pose as guys. You cannot stop that type of stuff going on.

However, as long as we have a straight-forward statement that this site if for people over 18, we are covered. The Mods do SO much behind the scenes to take care of issues, including underage folks from joining our group. Yet, and you HAVE to know this as well as I do, as soon as a teen is turned away all they need to do is create another screen name to sign on again. They're smart!

So chill on the Mods. They do all this stuff for us for nothing. They don't have to be Mods. They don't get paid a cent for what they do every single day to support this Forum. The jump on things that are wrong as soon as they can including turning away teens.

 

[luv2bt&tickled]

I don't get where you're coming from Neutron. This site clearly states this is a website for people OVER 18. It encourages under 18 to go to other websites. In fact, several of the folks on here were putting together a website for the teens who had this interest but were not to be in here. I'm pretty sure that got put up but I don't know where to access it or I'd put in the link.

There is no way to guarantee 100% that everyone on this site is over 18. Teens sign on under different names and create their profiles stating they are much older at time. Guys pose as women, women pose as guys. You cannot stop that type of stuff going on.

However, as long as we have a straight-forward statement that this site if for people over 18, we are covered. The Mods do SO much behind the scenes to take care of issues, including underage folks from joining our group. Yet, and you HAVE to know this as well as I do, as soon as a teen is turned away all they need to do is create another screen name to sign on again. They're smart!

So chill on the Mods. They do all this stuff for us for nothing. They don't have to be Mods. They don't get paid a cent for what they do every single day to support this Forum. The jump on things that are wrong as soon as they can including turning away teens.

Amen Jan!!!!! As Ray would say "Ditto"😉

 

[Moses25]

Re: Most...

Mimi sorry. moderation does not consist of booting people from the chatroom, much as you like to think it does.

Sorry Mims, but the man has a point...

As fer the under-aged tickling, Tron ...my gawd and with all due respect this "campaign" is being spear-headed by a man who doesn't usually care aboot anything, and having some under-aged yokels on this forum is getting your goat? Please...

I started collecting pornography when I was 14 (surprise surprise) and didn't stop until the internet was readily available. So what? Who cares? Better that these kids are jostling aboot with us adults than keeping it secret and hidden under their beds, or being led around blindly by other kids.

Cheers.😀

 

[Krazy]

why do u care tron? i mean a tickling site really isnt so bad....

 

[theallknowing1]

How about banning people based on something that matters

I have an idea. (I am 20 years old(just so you don't think im a kid(and I HAVE PROOF))). Yes, yes we all know that it is against the law neutron, but enforcement truly IS a difficult issue. Anyways, on to my idea. I have noticed in my few years that age is not by any means a true representation of one's maturity. There are 14 year-olds with a higher level of maturity than 40 year-olds, as well as with a higher IQ than some 40 year-olds. So if you can't tell how old someone is based on how they act then what does it matter. And if you want to start banning people, how about making it based on a criterion that matters, thus instead of banning on age, ban people who make immature posts. Well, thats my rant. Thanks for listening. I hope nobody finds this too offensive, I just call them how I see them.

 

[avethibaltus]

We are experiencing one of the classic "internet democracy" argument here and I personally think it is great, as the internet is in fact one of the most effective tools for dispersing ideas and opinions that I have ever come across.

On the other hand, those of you who think that just because you have a gun you can shoot it whenever you want are terribly wrong.

If you, the moderators, don't take "due care" as we say in the legal profession to insure that minors and/or suspected minors are prevented from participating (this is all about participation isn't it) in what is obviously a sexually oriented website (don't believe it? just look at the **irritating** tickling.ws advert which clearly shows exposed female genitalia). You guys and gals are definitely subjecting yourself to civil liability if not criminal liability.

Most of us adults participate (there's that word again) in this website because it appeals to us and we have been assured that minors are not allowed. Certainly you can never exclude every single minor from accessing your website and no one really expects that, but if you do not take ***due care*** to block access for persons who have, through their posts, identified themselves as minors you are subjecting yourselves (every single moderator, whether by act or omission) to liability and legal action.

The worst case scenario would be that the US Congress comes up with some off the wall law requiring such websites be registered with the FCC, etc. Don't forget this little quirk of reality - those who don't control themselves will be controlled.

It would be appropriate and honorable to take measures similar to those taken by the FM websites which we all know and love (tickleparade, ticklehell, stockingobsession). Register the site with some of the "child blockers" and bump anyone who identifies themself as a child (under 18 years of age).

You folks have done and are doing an excellent job with this website but we all expect you to set the example and follow your own rules by actively excluding minors from participation.

 

[Myriads]

"Due care" is taken in handling minors on the site. If one makes a statement that they are a minor on site, their account is closed. If they object then we ask for proof. If they can produce it, then they can stay. Proof in my eyes is a drivers licence that origionates in the state where their ISP location traces to.

At this point in time all questionable users have produced such proof. We have maintained our 'due care' obligations. No fears.

Myriads

 

[Sunriseticklee]

I equally believe Neutron has a point.

I also believe that it is completely ridiculous that he was called a tattletale and degraded in other ways for reporting someone who he thinks is underage. (And for having the guts to post about it!)

Ya'll report threads you think are offensive. You report trolls who are irritating people in the chatroom, ya'll report when a thread is started in the wrong forum. So are you tattletales? Give me a break.

By the way... isn't calling someone a tattletale a direct flame?
Doesn't it break the golden rule?
Who would have thought moderators were capable of such things!

I don't want minors on the forum. I know it is hard to prove, but it doesn't hurt to follow up. I don't know what you do to follow up, or whether or not you do. But it is a scary thought.

I equally don't think it is wrong to point out if something is going wrong on the forum regardless of how "high or self important" the people involved think they are.

Being told to shut up and leave because someone has a complaint is pretty sad. Working to address and find a solution to the problem is much more honorable, and I admit harder for some of "us" to handle.
Who is up to the challenge? If you are a moderator and you cannot accept the concerns, criticisms or ideas of the people in which you work with, then you shouldn't be one.

Sunrise

 

[Oddjob0226]

This is going to muddy the waters some, but splash splash spalsh.....

Leaving the "over 18 staement" aside for a moment, I WISH there had been a place like this when I was a teen (but back then, I don't think the Apple II would have been able to handle the Internet....).

A place where I could explored this a little more, investigated it, felt less like a damn creep through most of my teen years and even into college. Perhaps I would be less hung up now if I was less hung up then.

"Oh, but adults would have wanted to meet with you and tickle you, not just other teens."

Yeah.. and? It tickled teens and adults back then, and got tickled by them. Same thing happens now. But to have met someone, anyone,of any age, who was into it and and understood what I was about, it would have made things a lot easier. Sometimes struggle is good for us beacue we learn from it & it makes us grow. And a lot of times it doesn't.

 

[Haltickling]

Sunrise, I think you're slightly missing the point here.

First, I think that the forum access procedure sufficiently covers the legal requirements for a website, unless new laws come to pass. Be sure that Myriads cross-checked this.

Second: It's one point to report somebody because of a mere suspicion to a mod, but to report a TMF offense to law enforcement authorities on the grounds of mere suspicion is really something different. IMO, Neutron is actually trying to harm the TMF, no matter how much he will deny that. He's shitting on his own peers. And he still can't bring up any proof for his suspicions. He shooed away many members by his arbitrary accusations before, it's not the first time.

Third: I'm against minors on this site too, but what is the alternative to the current procedure? Every new member to send an ID copy to Myriads before getting access? Submit this site to AdultCheck which actually requires a credit card and costs money? Making this a paysite for credit card access only? Any better suggestions?

I think that Mr Super-Important has shown his true face again with this issue.

 

[qjakal]

I equally believe Neutron has a point.

I also believe that it is completely ridiculous that he was called a tattletale and degraded in other ways for reporting someone who he thinks is underage. (And for having the guts to post about it!)

Sunrise

Reported WHO Sunrise? Have you seen any admissions of someone being a minor and no action taken? Why believe everything you "hear"? There's been no minors tolerated on here knowingly, but you're more than ready to believe the worst. What is the standard defense against an action you that wasn't taken? Why hasn't anyone been named as a minor and the copy of the post where they "admitted" it come forth? Because it doesn't exist. As for the term "tattletale", it refers to his willingness to pull in law enforcement every time he's discplined about any of his own behaior..and though it IS a childish retort, I stand by it as quite descriptive of the action. You'll believe as you wish anyway, which is that the worst case scenario is correct, and that whatever another user says is gospel, so I shan't waste any more text on a closed mind. Buh-bye.... Q

 

[Sunriseticklee]

I'm not slightly missing any point.

To answer your first point: I stated that I didn't know how they handled it, or if they do. And since I didn't start pointing fingers and say that the TMF bigboys don't address these situations, there is no point missed there.

Secondly: Neutron has no obligation to cuddle or protect the forum for any reason! Especially if he feels as if the forum is breaking the law.

So because we all like tickling too and we are all so called "peers", does that mean we should make sure to kiss each other's asses and not speak up when we see something isn't right? I should certainly hope not!

Neutron is a citizen of the U.S. and he can report anything he wants to the law if he thinks it will make him feel safer. Whether or not he is wrong, that is up for the law to decide. Whether there is sufficient evidence is also up to the law to decide. NOT US dear.

Thirdly: Maybe we should all get together and speak of possible solutions instead of kicking the person who brought it up.

(Don't kick me either! Thanks)

Sunrise

PS... The TMF is doing enough collectively to harm itself. Let's not give one poster all of the credit, please!

 

[Myriads]

Regarding 'tattletale'

Neutron has what he feels is a valid concern regarding the forum and how I run it. He felt that my actions were insufficient, so he chose to follow up with the authorities. I have no problem with this, and even invited him to take such action. I have no concerns about how the forum has been run, and am comfortable with it being examined.

And several times on forum and in personal correspondence regarding this issue I have said that I appreciate his concern for the well being of the forum. After all, you must love something deeply to be willing to possibly destroy it for it's own good. Few are made of such stern stuff.

As to solutions to making the forum minor proof. I'm always open.

Myriads

 

[Sunriseticklee]

All quotes in bold were posted by Qjakal

Sorry... didn't see your post before, but I don't mind going back to reply to it. I also equally do not know why my opinion was so important that you tried to go off on me about it, but hey, *giggle* people have to try to find a scapegoat somewhere.

<B>Reported WHO Sunrise? Have you seen any admissions of someone being a minor and no action taken?</B>

Sigh, This is my third time saying this. I hope folks can comprehend it this time.

As I said in my original post, "I don't want minors on the forum. I know it is hard to prove, but it doesn't hurt to follow up. I don't know what you do to follow up, or whether or not you do. But it is a scary thought."

I don't know if you follow up, I don't know what you do. I just think that is pretty scary. I don't think I used any big words, so I hope you all can get it this time.

<B>Why believe everything you "hear"? There's been no minors tolerated on here knowingly, but you're more than ready to believe the worst.</B>

Contrary to the forum consensus that some of you moderators are deities, you have no idea what I believe or who I talk to. Sorry, the omnipotent powers went to someone else. SAD TIMES 🙁

You don't even know what I heard. So you are all ruffled because of what? LOL

I think the worst about some things because I have truly been shown how awful some of ya'll can be. As to this, I never said I "believe" either party. I just don't think he should have been degraded and flamed because of what he has done.

I <u>do</u> know that you don't have to prove your child pornography case to me. Prove that to any law enforcement that happens to be involved with this. Casting your stones at me because I don't agree with you on every little issue is pitiful and a useless waste of time and effort.

<B>As for the term "tattletale", it refers to his willingness to pull in law enforcement every time he's discplined about any of his own behaior..and though it IS a childish retort, I stand by it as quite descriptive of the action.</B>

So you, as a mod, stand by your broken golden rule, and the fact that you have flamed someone? These flames are what ya'll are so against and that ya'll feel should not be part of the forum. There is that consistency thing again.

So what is it this time? You are here to uphold the standards of this forum and all of its rules unless what? Unless YOU feel like you should call someone a name? Do you know of a loop hole that you are not sharing with us?

<B>You'll believe as you wish anyway, which is that the worst case scenario is correct, and that whatever another user says is gospel, so I shan't waste any more text on a closed mind. Buh-bye.... Q</B>

Of course I will believe what I wish. I do have my own mind. I am not someone who just follows whatever person decides to call him/herself a leader. Don't you believe what you wish as well? Don't you challenge authority from time to time?

My comments were directed toward Neutron’s right to call on law enforcement and how he was treated because of it. It is obvious ya'll think you run the forum the best way you know how. It is sad to think so, but hey, you try, right? So why stomp on someone who sees something wrong with it?

And when did this thread evolve to be all about me anyway? What are you all angry about with me again? I'm just a poster who said Neutron had a point. LOL

Are you ill with me because I feel Neutron and other members are not obligated to kiss the moderators' asses? Or because I said that tattletale was a direct flame and implied once again that ya'll create rules that everyone does not have follow equally (including yourselves)?

So I guess I am closed-minded because I'm the one who deleted Neutron's thread repeatedly. I called him a tattletale like I'm a middle school student. I am also angry because I feel he is ratting out or trying to destroy the "community". Damn my closed-mindedness... DAMN IT!

Or am I closed-minded because I don't see what he did as wrong or right because like I admitted, I don’t know?

If the mods at TMF did not commit what he is alleging, what is everyone getting so hot over? Evidence will prove everything in the end, right?

Lashing out at me is just a bonus for you I suppose. Just to let you know, I take it as a compliment that you are at least trying to comprehend my words. 😉

And I will close once again with the same words I closed with in my last post....

If you are a moderator and you cannot accept the concerns, criticisms or ideas of the people in which you work with, then you shouldn't be one.

Sunrise

 

[Haltickling]

After all, you must love something deeply to be willing to possibly destroy it for it's own good.

Well said, Myriads. And some people want to destroy the things they love yet can't possess or control...

 

[avethibaltus]

Thanks for responding to my comment above Myriads. I'd call the DL check pretty much acceptable. Would still also favor the "baby blockers" but that is something that you guys have to answer for.

I too realized that I had this "urge" when I was quite young (fifth or sixth grade) but do not now believe that it would have been particularly appropriate or healthy to go online and share this with **professionals** 15 or 20 years older than I was at the time.

Some things need time and thought to develop without interference or input from the outside, if you know what I mean.

 

[qjakal]

Sunrise...

I'll use little words this time too...once again, tattletale, though perhaps a bit childish, is NOT a flame. I wouldn't remove it if used otherwise than by myself...clear enough? As for your statement that it's all about you now, are we not allowed to respond to your posts? I stated before and state yet again, if someone admits to being a minor, they are removed. Seems pretty clear. As for "kissing Mods asses", we're too busy to care much about being kissed, but being called willing child pornographers is a bit far away from being "kissed", wouldn't you say? Perhaps even politically incorrect?

I have an idea, substitute the word "teachers" for "moderators" and see if your perspective changes....

Yeah...we're a bit "ruffled"...lol. Still no proof...just mud being slung. Guess it's all fun if you're on the other end, hmmm?

Q

 

[Prime]

If jeff ever decides to pack up the tmf or switch it too a way where you have to give cc info to prove your age...i wonder where the people will go to bitch then. It seems a few people have it out for the mods. Hell they ar'nt perfect but they do ok..if i were going to complain it would be to the effect of too many malcontents have been allowed to muck up the place for to long and are still here. The punchline to this thread is that the guy who started it is the very one that said internet personalities dont matter..He gave his password out. A minor could have used his password at the time..did he think of that..no ...so you will excuse me if i'd rather not feel his pain. I dont deny that it would be in everyones best interest to keep minors out of here. Crap happens. How do you prove someone is truely a minor...And if he is so sure there are minors wheres the proof..Nuetron has made other claims here and for some reason the proof never materializes..rememeber the girls pic in the member pic section that was supposedly someone he knew. Never saw anything on that. Or the letter he got from a vid company that supposedly sold others peoples vids or copies. I never saw proof of that..Did anyone? Then again maybe he provided the proof. Maybe he did in private to a mod. Maybe they were resolved in private. The point is if your going to bring stuff to everyone here..bring some proof..or everything you say is just a joke...and i'm just waiting for you to reply with the punchline...

For the record i do believe there are alot of good people here. And maybe some of the malcontents are good people in real life..too bad they can't carry that over to here more often.

 

[Dave2112]

As Myriads has stated time and again, we are on safe legal ground. Whenever anyone has a problem in this litigation-happy country, they always yell "SUE!" before even knowing if it's possible. This applies to law-enforcement as well.

If I knowingly sell beer to a minor, I'm screwed. I get fined (and possible arrested), my place of business can lose its license...you know the drill. But if I am provided with false identification, I am free of blame. I know. It's happened. I've had State Troopers bringing kids back into my place asking if this is the one who bought beer (after catching them later in one of the famed local kiddie raids). I'm asked if this was the ID he used, I say yes, the kid gets carted off and I'm told to have a nice day.

Anyone revealing themselves as a minor is immediatly removed from the TMF. This is our obligation.

Other options are available, and as stated, we are open to suggestions. We could have everyone E-mail us thier ID's, but then we'd have to do that to everyone who'se already here as well, not just new-comers. You want us with all of your ID's? We could use a credit-card access system, but that's not fool-proof. You know how many 17-year-olds have credit cards these days? Of course there's always a credit-check to establish age...a bit invasive, no?

The Internet is loaded with over a million adult destinations. There isn't one that completely blocks minors succesfully every single time. Law enforcement cares little about tracking down 427,967,273 complaints from Internet users who are themselves faceless.

 

[ShiningIce]

This is sheer lunacy.... You'll NEVER stop minors from getting on here.....one way or another they will find a way. Unless you make the TMF into one of those CCC sites.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Re: Sunrise...

I'll use little words this time too...once again, tattletale, though perhaps a bit childish, is NOT a flame. I wouldn't remove it if used otherwise than by myself...clear enough? As for your statement that it's all about you now, are we not allowed to respond to your posts? I stated before and state yet again, if someone admits to being a minor, they are removed. Seems pretty clear. As for "kissing Mods asses", we're too busy to care much about being kissed, but being called willing child pornographers is a bit far away from being "kissed", wouldn't you say? Perhaps even politically incorrect?

I have an idea, substitute the word "teachers" for "moderators" and see if your perspective changes....

Yeah...we're a bit "ruffled"...lol. Still no proof...just mud being slung. Guess it's all fun if you're on the other end, hmmm?

Q

Sure you can reply. No need to even ask since ya'll are the ones making and breaking the rules. I was only wondering why you decided to misplace your aggressions on me. Kind of amusing, actually.

Being "called" willing child pornographers is far from being "proven" willing child pornographers. I don't call it politically incorrect. I could call it slander if I want. And if a parent went around saying it about me in regards to my job at school and I knew they couldn't prove it, I WOULD call it slander. But I don't think I would lower myself to their standards and start yelling names like a three year old.

Name calling, childish are otherwise, is a flame (Or flame bait if you like). And you are right. It was very very childish; however, it is common to use below level words to explain away below level actions.

And I did substitute moderators for teachers in another thread (Politically correct thread). Just so you know that I feel for you, even if I don't agree with you on every little subject.

At the same token, I wouldn't want to act like you did toward one of my students (whether they are right or wrong) because I would be out of a job. And there would be nothing I could say to explain or excuse my deplorable actions away.

And yeah... I'm having fun. Isn't TMF supposed to be "fun"
😀
Sunrise

 

[qjakal]

Re: Re: Sunrise...

Fine, I'll take red this time around..it suits my mood...Q

Sure you can reply. No need to even ask since ya'll are the ones making and breaking the rules. I was only wondering why you decided to misplace your aggressions on me. Kind of amusing, actually.

Misplace? You publicly agreed that it's fine to accuse us of being child pornographers...sorry, if you're going to take the low road, you'll hear from me.

Being "called" willing child pornographers is far from being "proven" willing child pornographers.

Yeah...perhaps you'd like to apply that to your own thread on political correctness, or does logic confuse you and interfere with your rants?

Name calling, childish are otherwise, is a flame (Or flame bait if you like). And you are right. It was very very childish; however, it is common to use below level words to explain away below level actions.

Again, I defy you to find these "below level" actions you're so fond of.....and once again, I categorically state that the description is apt enough and mild enough considering the provocation. On the level of "i'm rubber and you're glue" but since you've decided it's flame-ish, how could it be otherwise?


At the same token, I wouldn't want to act like you did toward one of my students (whether they are right or wrong) because I would be out of a job. And there would be nothing I could say to explain or excuse my deplorable actions away.

Yeah...sure..you'd be out of your tenured job if you called someone who accused you of something heinous a "tattletale" or even went so far as to defend yourself and call them a "liar"...suuuuure you would. Of course you're aware this isn't a job, merely a forum and a labor of love. Some days it's sure not worth the hassle....

And yeah... I'm having fun. Isn't TMF supposed to be "fun"

Glad you're enjoying the misery..it tells a lot about ones character.

Sunrise

 

[Terra_Ascension]

Well Myriads doesn't seem to be worried in the slightest, so I take that as a very good sign! He even welcomes an inspection!

TA

 

[WallStreet]

Anyone who has genuine happiness in their life couldn't possibly be drawn into the art of argument as much as Neutron is. There are so many boards on the net that blatantly break rules of the web, but Tron feels his angst is best vented here at the TMF.
Perhaps if the mods weren't so busy deleting all of Tron's directionless insults disguised as posts, they'd have more time on their hands to focus on underage members.
How many underage kids go to other sites with fake credentials and download hardcore porn far worse than anything you might find a link to on the TMF? Perhaps Tron can provide us with links to these blatant violaters' message boards, and he can show us his posts on those forums telling their moderators about their violations. Perhaps he could show us some programs that he's taken the time to initiate in his local area that focus on child welfare and protection. If Tron was TRULY concerned about the welfare of children then it's safe to assume that he could find the time between moderating two of his own boards and coming here with his 1000 plus inane postings to go police some more severe violators.
I can think of several occassions were both Myriads and Scooby have made people prove thier age. SSVegatbles failed to comply and was booted from the TMF. Then the mods had to track down all of his new personas under different handles and bar them as well. That's very time consuming, especially for people who have regular jobs as well. On top of all that time that is expended, they then have to take time to sort out all of the inane arguments and flame wars that Neutron remorsely starts.
In closing, I will say that Tron does have one good point, and that is that children should be kept out of adult sites. It is a hard job, but I think that the TMF mods do a better job at it then most.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Re: Re: Re: Sunrise...

Originally post by qjakal in bold

<B>Misplace? You publicly agreed that it's fine to accuse us of being child pornographers...sorry, if you're going to take the low road, you'll hear from me. </B>

WRONG... I publicly agreed that he had a right to take it to the police if he wanted to. I never called anyone a child pornographer, and never said that Neutron was right for saying that. Don't apologize for misreading or assuming. People do it all the time.
(You do comprehend that since I frequent this forum, should I choose to believe that the forum is an advocate for child pornography, and am also labeling myself in the same fashion. Why would I do that? Come on! Think! I would NOT do that! You clearly misunderstood my post!)

I also said that I didn't like the way he was being treated, or the names he was being called. I said people report things all of the time, and why shouldn't he? And since you were one of the ones doing a lot of what I didn't like, I suppose that heated you up. Didn't it?

<B>Yeah...perhaps you'd like to apply that to your own thread on political correctness, or does logic confuse you and interfere with your rants? </B>

Hey, the problem here is that he is supposedly going to the police to report the forum for giving children access to pornography. You don't feel that it is true. I don't know if it is true. You feel that he can't prove it. I feel that it is the law's job to prove it.

He labeled everyone here as willing child pornographers. Is it wrong? Of course it is. Was it unaccepting of others? Sure. Was it degrading and did it make you feel bad 🙁? Probably so. Does that mean he <u>doesn't</u> have a right to go to the police? Nope. He sure does have a right. And that is why I said he had a point.

Is that logically enough for you? And LIKE oh my GOSH! It goes along with my political correctness thread too! Who would have thought I could put two and two together! Like WOW! 😛

I can put it in a song if you'd like so you can clap and sway to the tune 😀. I don't know how else to make sure you take the correct meaning out of my words instead of only interpreting what the voices inside your head are telling you. *shrug* 😛 Or maybe you do understand and you are doing this purposely. It's really hard to figure out because I'm not the one who sounds confused, or who is attributing actual "words" that someone said to that person when those actually words were not even in their posts. ---> Example:<I> You publicly agreed that it's fine to accuse us of being child pornographers.</I>

I was nice enough to actually quote your actions. Tsk Tsk

<B>Again, I defy you to find these "below level" actions you're so fond of.....and once again, I categorically state that the description is apt enough and mild enough considering the provocation. On the level of "i'm rubber and you're glue" but since you've decided it's flame-ish, how could it be otherwise?</B>

If you are supposed to be the moderator, AKA (one of) the boss(es), then you should equally be the "example" of what behaviors should be displayed on this forum at all times. And guess what? You should also display them! Plain and simple. People will expect more of you because you are in a position of "power". You are allowed to make "decisions". You are supposed to make the honorable ones. You should also be open to ideas, constructive criticism, and be able to answer complaints or solve problems if needed in the correct and <U><B>unbiased</B></U> fashion.

Someone made you angry and you showed your ass to them... and then you showed me your ass too. Don't expect me to pet and kiss what you whipped out on your own accord. You lowered yourself and made YOURSELF look bad. I called you out on it and now you are trying to turn the tables on me. It was cute. Thanks for trying. I appreciate your effort, but I haven't caused you any of the problems you are having with Neutron. I was expressing my opinions on his actions, and the ACTIONS of the people on this forum (on this thread). (Especially the one's who are supposed to be leaders). And if speaking the truth makes you mad, then that's just the feeling you choose to have, and the feeling you will have to live with for the moment.

<B>Yeah...sure..you'd be out of your tenured job if you called someone who accused you of something heinous a "tattletale" or even went so far as to defend yourself and call them a "liar"...suuuuure you would.</B>

Loving your knowledge on the education system dear, but tenure was dissolved in Georgia as of last year (or the year before). I don't have tenure, and because of new laws, I never will (In Georgia). If some parent feels I was mean to their kid, or wronged their child in anyway, I could lose my job provided that they could prove it. It is never right to talk down to a child or call a child names. (Calling them a "liar" would be kind of harsh too.)

<B>Of course you're aware this isn't a job, merely a forum and a labor of love. Some days it's sure not worth the hassle.... </B>

But you are wrong. Being a forum moderator is your job. It may be a volunteer job and you may not be getting paid for it, but it is a job nonetheless.

Labor of love? *Giggle* Did you take a day off?

<B>Glad you're enjoying the misery..it tells a lot about ones character.</B>

Oh... I'm not enjoying the misery in a collective sense (although a lot of the problems that occur on this forum could very well be avoided). I am solely enjoying how someone is trying extra hard to shove their aggressions on me as if they are attempting to shame or embarrass me. You know, as if it will discredit me and make me feel miserable too. THAT is what I think is FUNNY! Funny!

And yes, instead of getting mad, even, or hurt at the sorry actions of this person of "great" power, I am simply choosing to find it amusing. Maybe at the end of the day he will remember that he made a forum member smile. 🙂

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