Women using PornHub big on lesbians-----does it translate to us?

[OmahaTickler]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ed-term-year-two-world-s-biggest-porn-n947216

As a male, I prefer F-F tickling for reasons I've discussed here before and won't rehash. I'm wondering if these stats are similar for our sub-group. I'm not looking for a poll here to gauge anything. I'm just curious whether others in this community think women who watch tickle porn prefer F-F (the poll above didn't account for gay or straight women).

 

[siamese dream]

No, I watch f/m, m/f and f/f when I feel like watching. I have really enjoyed some f/f but have some faves from all 3 scenarios. Although it's less often I will even get curious about an m/m once in a while.

 

[Squeak]

I'm a lesbian, but it doesn't matter so much in what I view. I mean, I guess I prefer f/f, but the women who I find the most attractive, are always tickled by men. Most of my favorite clips involve men doing the tickling, so I guess it really doesn't matter that much.

I mean when I'm watching a clip, the guy basically doesn't exist for me, his just an anchor by which I can insert myself. The only tickling clip where I really felt turned off by the tickler is TicklingFromBoston. And that's no offense to that man, but something about him takes me out of the experience. I think it's the way he moves his hands when he tickles.

I don't find any men sexually attractive though, so it makes no difference to me whether or not the guy has conventional attractiveness or not. And I'm happy to see people of all types indulging in their fantasy.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like some of you all have a problem with bigger people engaging in the kink. Is that like a thing? I don't get it.

 

[OmahaTickler]

I'm a lesbian, but it doesn't matter so much in what I view. I mean, I guess I prefer f/f, but the women who I find the most attractive, are always tickled by men. Most of my favorite clips involve men doing the tickling, so I guess it really doesn't matter that much.

I mean when I'm watching a clip, the guy basically doesn't exist for me, his just an anchor by which I can insert myself. The only tickling clip where I really felt turned off by the tickler is TicklingFromBoston. And that's no offense to that man, but something about him takes me out of the experience. I think it's the way he moves his hands when he tickles.

I don't find any men sexually attractive though, so it makes no difference to me whether or not the guy has conventional attractiveness or not. And I'm happy to see people of all types indulging in their fantasy.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like some of you all have a problem with bigger people engaging in the kink. Is that like a thing? I don't get it.

You win the most-interesting-response prize in spades so far, as I've always been interested in whether watching clips was pure voyeurism, or if some viewers put themselves in the tickler's place. Frankly, I'm like you, in that it's about the ticklee's reactions, not my sexual orientation juxtaposed with the tickler's. However, I also get distracted by some male ticklers' approach as well. As for fat-guy ticklers, being a fat guy, I don't care either way, and I'm not about to judge those who don't like fat-guy ticklers because frankly, I have my own peccadilloes about my ideal fetish "scenes." Each person has his/her own quirks/preferences that make their fetish "click" for them. Thus, I don't view it necessarily as "fat-shaming" these ticklers, i.e., a turn-off is a turn-off is a turn-off, period. I prefer tickling curvy women, but that doesn't mean I operate under a "thin women suck" default mode.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Hairy badtoothed manlet that shoots videos reporting in; getting dudes involved in fetish videos is way, way harder than most of you realize. Even the semi-attractive guys who do express interest in being involved in production are almost always a definite hard no on showing any face. It's not so much that nobody wants to get them involved, it's that the ones that are around want to limit their own involvement.

 

[moose]

i think when it comes to f/f or m/m people will mostly chose f/f

 

[Squeak]

You win the most-interesting-response prize in spades so far, as I've always been interested in whether watching clips was pure voyeurism, or if some viewers put themselves in the tickler's place. Frankly, I'm like you, in that it's about the ticklee's reactions, not my sexual orientation juxtaposed with the tickler's. However, I also get distracted by some male ticklers' approach as well. As for fat-guy ticklers, being a fat guy, I don't care either way, and I'm not about to judge those who don't like fat-guy ticklers because frankly, I have my own peccadilloes about my ideal fetish "scenes." Each person has his/her own quirks/preferences that make their fetish "click" for them. Thus, I don't view it necessarily as "fat-shaming" these ticklers, i.e., a turn-off is a turn-off is a turn-off, period. I prefer tickling curvy women, but that doesn't mean I operate under a "thin women suck" default mode.

Neither would I judge, I just never knew that was something that could knock a person out of the experience.

 

[turtleboy]

Speaking as a fairly skinny guy who doesn't show his face in clips, I can say that M/F clips still sell better for me than F/F overall - and it's always been that way, despite having many attractive female ticklers in there. It may help that I avoid dominating the clip, hogging the camera and try to keep all the focus on the 'lee - I do agree that male 'lers can be very distracting for many viewers, particularly if they're pulling weird faces or talking over the model. I personally don't like seeing a lot of focus on guys in clips anyway (including mainstream porn), whether they're traditonally good looking or not as I generally find gratuitous shots of guys body parts to be a bit of a turn off. In a tickling clip I think it can be a real distraction for some people. It's why I don't wear rings or a watch, and I try to keep my hairy arms covered too 🙂

On a side note, the comments in this thread about various producers looks are pretty disgusting. I don't really care whether people dislike fat, hairy, ugly, bucktoothed, or 'muslim looking' guys...if it's ok to rip on video producers for not being overweight or not particularly attractive, then it should be ok to do the same to anyone else on this forum. Somehow, I feel that making those sort of personal comments about any other member's looks would be a fast way to get banned.

 

[ISUmark]

Speaking as a fairly skinny guy who doesn't show his face in clips, I can say that M/F clips still sell better for me than F/F overall - and it's always been that way, despite having many attractive female ticklers in there. It may help that I avoid dominating the clip, hogging the camera and try to keep all the focus on the 'lee - I do agree that male 'lers can be very distracting for many viewers, particularly if they're pulling weird faces or talking over the model. I personally don't like seeing a lot of focus on guys in clips anyway (including mainstream porn), whether they're traditonally good looking or not as I generally find gratuitous shots of guys body parts to be a bit of a turn off. In a tickling clip I think it can be a real distraction for some people. It's why I don't wear rings or a watch, and I try to keep my hairy arms covered too 🙂

On a side note, the comments in this thread about various producers looks are pretty disgusting. I don't really care whether people dislike fat, hairy, ugly, bucktoothed, or 'muslim looking' guys...if it's ok to rip on video producers for not being overweight or not particularly attractive, then it should be ok to do the same to anyone else on this forum. Somehow, I feel that making those sort of personal comments about any other member's looks would be a fast way to get banned.

Yea....it does kind of suck to see mean comments about producers. These guys have the balls to do what I don't....start a fetish company and produce content. On the surface they look mean but I think personally its just people relaying their preferences. Of course im jumping to huge conclusions because I don't know anyone personally, but id bet that Chicago or anyone that mentions the weight/appearance of the tickler isn't doing it to be mean...just to really drive the point home that their aren't that many attractive male ticklers in the business. I totally agree with this point. I've always liked M/F more simply because I think the tickling is better, so I tolerate the masks/appearances of the lers. Whenever male "models" are hired to do the tickling it usually sucks. And it seems like the ticklers whose technique I agree with the most all wear masks or aren't showing their face on camera. Turtleboy, TIB, TheStocksStudio to name a few. Now there are exceptions. Sergio from Body and Sole and absolutelytickled come to mind.

 

[Wolf]

It's a great idea; after all, attractive male 'lers could result in some real chemistry, and 'lees really enjoying themselves is something I'm into, but I can see how it'd be a really difficult sell:
How do you convince a producer to shell out extra money to bring in someone who doesn't have to buy a video camera and set up a C4S store, just to tickle women?

 

[turtleboy]

How do you convince a producer to shell out extra money to bring in someone who doesn't have to buy a video camera and set up a C4S store, just to tickle women?

Very easily - you just order a custom to cover the cost and make it worth their while shooting it. Seriously, if it's of interest to yourself, chicago, whomever, just pool your resources and get in touch - I'll book a male model to tickle a female model if the order is there to cover it.

There are plenty of producers that could do that for you. TA for example, seem to use tons of male models in their clips - mainly for M/M from what I can tell as that's where the demand lies.

 

[siamese dream]

Very easily - you just order a custom to cover the cost and make it worth their while shooting it. Seriously, if it's of interest to yourself, chicago, whomever, just pool your resources and get in touch - I'll book a male model to tickle a female model if the order is there to cover it.

There are plenty of producers that could do that for you. TA for example, seem to use tons of male models in their clips - mainly for M/M from what I can tell as that's where the demand lies.

This is very true, both the advice about customs and the comment about TA having more model-type guys in their M/M stuff. Tbh I didn't even know Tickle Abuse made M/m films �� ... M/m is really a whole world of lees and lers that the majority of the TMF doesn't know the first thing about, because even though the tmf welcomes people who are into m/m and occasionally has m/m content, the vast majority of members are straight males and so the vast majority of content here is geared towards straight males.

I personally will always put chemistry above looks in videos ... although I agree about the masks, especially scary-looking Halloween masks, those are just unpleasant. Some of the sexiest reactions by female lees I've seen in videos were women who were chubbier than your normal "model-type" woman would be. Some of the best reactions and laughs by guys in f/m I have seen were by guys who were older than the female ler by probably a good 20 years, or who were chubbier, or hairy, or shorter and skinnier than the curvy female ler tickling them. The chemistry and reactions were what made the video stand out. I think Czech tickling has women who look like actual Victoria's Secret models, but tbh, often the lers look bored and the lees do things like laugh at tickling, then start moaning when a vibrator is used but never laugh again once even though they're still being tickled just as hard in the same spots as before. So their vids mostly are "meh" to me, other than their admittedly incredible assortment of bondage furniture.

 

[Wolf]

Very easily - you just order a custom to cover the cost and make it worth their while shooting it. Seriously, if it's of interest to yourself, chicago, whomever, just pool your resources and get in touch - I'll book a male model to tickle a female model if the order is there to cover it.

Personally, my tastes aren't quite the same, but I think that attitude is one of the things the OP was referring to...is it really such a such niche market that it would take a custom order?

 

[ElFewja]

Everyone is beautiful. People can be beautiful but not be attractive to me. I'm allowed to have preferences, and so is everyone else. I don't agree with the way they've been delivered here, but I don't get why everyone is fighting over it. I am very tired, good night.

 

[turtleboy]

Personally, my tastes aren't quite the same, but I think that attitude is one of the things the OP was referring to...is it really such a such niche market that it would take a custom order?

Yes it is. I'm not sure where attitude comes into it from the producer's perspective - we're just making the clips in the way that we want to according to demand and sales figures. I would say that the attitude in this case is directed at producers who are perceived to be denying people what they want..therefore it's ok to be abusive about their appearance. I find that a double standard on a forum like this where people get shot down or even banned for less.

If something sells, then producers will make it. That's why many stores do branch out into other areas, including forced orgasms, M/M, etc. There are plenty of people on this forum who hate those clips and many others who openly hate anything that isn't F/* - it's fine. The fact is however, that they all sell and some people seem to have a hard time accepting that their personal own preferences don't reflect the majority...sales talk. When I started getting custom orders for F/M clips, I started booking male models and shooting them. I have never had a request for a male model of any type in a M/F clip and I think most of my regular customers would prefer the focus not to be on the male in a F/M clip.

I understand the points about chemistry. From my own experience, I have done two boyfriend/girlfriend shoots - both with real chemistry between them. In both cases the F/M clips sold extremely well and the M/F clips were just ok. In the first instance with Storm's boyfriend, the M/F clip did almost nothing whereas all of the F/M and FF/M clips I have shot with him have sold extremely well - hence I haven't used him in further M/F clips even though I'm already paying him to shoot.

 

[turtleboy]

One further point about chemistry. There seems to be an assumption that the models would rather be typical by a buff, handsome male model than by the producer that they already know. This assumes that the model is getting off on the clip in some way, which is not the case - they don't feel the same way about the situation that someone like chicago would for example. From my experience, most models would be less comfortable working with an unfamiliar male model probably even more so if they were attracted to them, due to the awkwardness. Coupled with the fact that the male model doesn't know the first thing about tickling and it can be quite difficult all round. F/F clips can often be awkward as some models are uncomfortable about touching another girl they've just met and it's likely to be even more so with a guy and a girl.

Believe it or not, models are often quite comfortable around the producers they work with (barring legitimate creeps) and feel far less awkward about being tickled by the guy who does this every day than by a good looking stranger. It's also not true to say that good looking male models are always appropriate or well behaved.

 

[Wolf]

I don't think your particular operational model (while very professional and I would hope, profitable) would be appropriate for the idea, anyway. I wouldn't expect any kind of chemistry when it's "just one more shoot" for a model. That's not a slight; it's just the nature of the business that professionals are easier to book and probably more reliable. Personally, I gravitate more towards smaller, less prolific studios that draw on people who are sometimes just doing a shoot for the hell of it; there's more chance of seeing what I like. And attractiveness is a subjective thing, anyway. For me, the male's attractiveness doesn't enter into it, but the female's being attracted to him does.

 

[OmahaTickler]

Personal tastes in ticklers/lees in video clips ideally should not require strong opinions. It should be merely a matter of "I prefer" A or B over C or D. It shouldn't be like Facebook. You should be able to like/dislike something without trashing what others like/dislike. We are a group with common interests, with subgroups that have specific preferences. However, considering the derision we face outside this community, we should be less tribal from within.

 

[Wolf]

Personal tastes in ticklers/lees in video clips ideally should not require strong opinions. It should be merely a matter of "I prefer" A or B over C or D. It shouldn't be like Facebook. You should be able to like/dislike something without trashing what others like/dislike. We are a group with common interests, with subgroups that have specific preferences. However, considering the derision we face outside this community, we should be less tribal from within.

What derision?

 

[mikeytheman921]

This is one of my reasons for preferring F-F......most male 'lers in video clips are simply creepers---not saying they have bad intentions, but they just come across that way, in how they approach the 'lee and in the execution, more predatory than playful, the latter of which I prefer, and I don't mean gentle tickling. Even the most brutal F-F tickling, the ler and lee more often than not have some chemistry. And yeah, appearances do matter. It's shallow, but as a fat, hairy Italian guy myself, the last thing I want to see is someone like me doing the tickling. Not self-hate, just voyeuristic aesthetics.

This is interesting. Sort of a reflection on society in general.

 

[Phoenix_Feather]

I greatly prefer women to men, so I enjoy seeing f/f tickling. That being said, I don't really have a preference for f/f over m/f when watching. However, I like to imagine myself in the lee's position when I watch such clips. If the ler is a man and much older or seems creepy, I'm going to pass. Nothing against older male lers. I'm just not comfortable with large age gaps personally, so I avoid it when I'm looking videos.

What's most important to me is that the ler isn't overshadowing the lee's response, and that the lee seems to be having authentic reactions to the tickling.

 

[The Internet]

One further point about chemistry. There seems to be an assumption that the models would rather be typical by a buff, handsome male model than by the producer that they already know. This assumes that the model is getting off on the clip in some way, which is not the case - they don't feel the same way about the situation that someone like chicago would for example. From my experience, most models would be less comfortable working with an unfamiliar male model probably even more so if they were attracted to them, due to the awkwardness. Coupled with the fact that the male model doesn't know the first thing about tickling and it can be quite difficult all round. F/F clips can often be awkward as some models are uncomfortable about touching another girl they've just met and it's likely to be even more so with a guy and a girl.

Believe it or not, models are often quite comfortable around the producers they work with (barring legitimate creeps) and feel far less awkward about being tickled by the guy who does this every day than by a good looking stranger. It's also not true to say that good looking male models are always appropriate or well behaved.

I don't think your particular operational model (while very professional and I would hope, profitable) would be appropriate for the idea, anyway. I wouldn't expect any kind of chemistry when it's "just one more shoot" for a model. That's not a slight; it's just the nature of the business that professionals are easier to book and probably more reliable. Personally, I gravitate more towards smaller, less prolific studios that draw on people who are sometimes just doing a shoot for the hell of it; there's more chance of seeing what I like. And attractiveness is a subjective thing, anyway. For me, the male's attractiveness doesn't enter into it, but the female's being attracted to him does.

1.) I think UK Tickling has some of the classiest tickling clips going, and I think there's great chemistry between the model and him, clip after clip. I haven't been following this thread, but I don't get "creepy" from his vids at all. I even had a TMF sister tell me that getting tickled by Turtleboy was something she had fantasized about. (Take that, Turtleboy 🙂 ) The models seem happy and comfortable and almost excited to see how they're going to fare. And many models return time and time again, so I hope Turtleboy isn't getting dragged into the mire of what's creepy and what's not by people who don't know his work. I really like the simplicity of his format, right from the opening shot, where he pans down, the model is calm, and usually smiling and anticipating. I always feel I know exactly what I'm going to get (not unlike Tickle Central's bedspread clips, you know he's going hit certain "marks", say the same thing in the middle, etc). The scenes are well-lit, photographed well. So Turtleboy, keep doing what you're doing. You are the top British site, and your models are always so beautiful, and your fingerwork is great. I've never once heard the word "ouch", which is like kryptonite to a 'ler! 😉 (At least this 'ler)

2.) On the other hand.... I agree with Wolf on this as well. I like checking out these smaller companies' work, obscure companies, and "less prolific" companies (or companies that may just do a one-off tickling video), you can find some really great, surprising stuff. Not always, but sometimes. I'm thinking of one particular excellent clip I bought from a company that advertised on the top of the page at some point during the past year or so; if I hadn't clicked on the TMF that one day, I would have missed it because the guy hasn't made another clip since. Variety is the spice of life, and no one company or model or style (m/f, f/f) does it all for me. If I watch one company or model one day, the next time I'm almost always going to check out another. Not unlike music, or eating.

am I the only one who justs wants more attractive male LEES instead of male lers?

You are not the only one. I would definitely enjoy seeing a video like that

I remember TIB saying more than once how hard it was to get good looking male models. It's probably easier now than it was back then, but perhaps not that much easier.

 

[ManInDistress]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I prefer m/f although f/f is fine too. I don't particularly care if the male ler isn't a GQ model, I care if he plays the role someone dominant. To me the tickling fantasy can be narrowed down to tickler and his/her victim. I'm all for a "creepy" man as the tickler since he is essentially the villain who is tormenting a helpless victim.

 

[turtleboy]

1.) I think UK Tickling has some of the classiest tickling clips going, and I think there's great chemistry between the model and him, clip after clip. I haven't been following this thread, but I don't get "creepy" from his vids at all. I even had a TMF sister tell me that getting tickled by Turtleboy was something she had fantasized about. (Take that, Turtleboy 🙂 ) The models seem happy and comfortable and almost excited to see how they're going to fare. And many models return time and time again, so I hope Turtleboy isn't getting dragged into the mire of what's creepy and what's not by people who don't know his work. I really like the simplicity of his format, right from the opening shot, where he pans down, the model is calm, and usually smiling and anticipating. I always feel I know exactly what I'm going to get (not unlike Tickle Central's bedspread clips, you know he's going hit certain "marks", say the same thing in the middle, etc). The scenes are well-lit, photographed well. So Turtleboy, keep doing what you're doing. You are the top British site, and your models are always so beautiful, and your fingerwork is great. I've never once heard the word "ouch", which is like kryptonite to a 'ler! 😉 (At least this 'ler)

Thanks for the nice words! I have heard the 'ouch' a few times (usually from uncomfortable bondage positions) but I do try to avoid it...for my own part, I've been (involuntarily) bitten, scratched, pinched and kicked more than once lol. The models always apologise though and I rarely feel the need to retaliate in kind 😉