WWE Chris Benoit Dead

[Goodieluver]

Wow... This scumbag had quite a few fanboys. Pretty sick.

and i see foreigners tend to base their judgment on assumptions and not on final reports

As for other comments on benoits son, giving HGH to underdeveloped children is medically allowed to restore metabolism

 

[Adam]

Wow... This scumbag had quite a few fanboys. Pretty sick.

I feel that's a little harsh, Gremio. Many of his fans are simply still in shock, and understandably so. I was a fan of Chris Benoit as well, but no longer. The second my shock subsided, and I came to grips with the severity of what he had done... well, you get the picture. Chris Benoit's legacy means nothing to me anymore.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

a good deal of people are going 'round and 'round on this subject. i hope the following doesn't further piss off/annoy anyone:

IF steroid use/abuse had led to Benoit committing such a terrible crime, Hulk Hogan is in trouble. Hogan admitted to using steroids for years, and it is evident as one looks at his physical condition. but during his heyday, Hogan was under a great deal of pressure and could have easily snapped at any point and done something tragically similar.

the way things have been speculated, the time of events the police can determine, shows that something happened that made Benoit lose it. maybe his wife was leaving him due to his extended time away from home, and he went overboard? anything is possible, including kis' thoughts of steroid use.

the only thing anyone can do is see what investigations and autopsies turn up. to condemn a man who, for all we know, walked in to his home to see the bodies of his family and killed himself in grief, or had a hand in their deaths, is kind of meaningless, as we cannot be certain of anything until an analysis is complete.

 

[PainTrain]

and i see foreigners tend to base their judgment on assumptions and not on final reports

Bring the final report on, eh?

 

[goddess_nemesis]

On another note...anyone seen this yet?

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Death_o..._on_Wikipedia_hours_prior_to_body_being_found

apparently it is a hoax

I don't know how much of that is a hoax. It was mentioned on Nancy Grace last night while I was watching. Benoit had sent several text messages to various people over the weekend before and during the murders. There may be a possibility (nothing confirmed or anything) that Benoit told somebody before committing suicide. I don't know.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

It was just a coincidence. The person posted about the deaths based on speculation and rumors. He came forward tody and admitted it.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/29/wrestler.ap/index.html

 

[goddess_nemesis]

I understand speculation because since he missed a wrestling performance, but I'm curious what those rumors entailed. I mean, one would speculate may be an illness in the family, something serious that needed Benoit's attention, but speculating he missed his performance due to the "death of his wife Nancy." That's really jumping the gun. Especially when this post was made 14 hours before the bodies were found.

 

[redflare]

WWE Hall of Fame?

Hello all, I have an interesting question to pose to you all regarding this matter. Now I know we can't be 100% certain that Chris Benoit did in fact do what is widely believed that he did, but barring a most surprising turn of events the evidence shows that he did commit this murder suicide.

Now my question is should this act automatically disqualify him from being inducted into the hall of fame. Prior to this tragic event I do not think it is even arguable that his wrestling career would guarantee him induction into the hall. I'll withold my view on it for now because I want to assume the role of devil's advocate in response to the first intelligent opinion given on this matter.

Hope to hear from you all soon.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Hello all, I have an interesting question to pose to you all regarding this matter. Now I know we can't be 100% certain that Chris Benoit did in fact do what is widely believed that he did, but barring a most surprising turn of events the evidence shows that he did commit this murder suicide.

Now my question is should this act automatically disqualify him from being inducted into the hall of fame. Prior to this tragic event I do not think it is even arguable that his wrestling career would guarantee him induction into the hall. I'll withold my view on it for now because I want to assume the role of devil's advocate in response to the first intelligent opinion given on this matter.

Hope to hear from you all soon.

There's no way the WWE will put him into their HOF. They've removed any mention of Benoit from the website, i.e., merchandise, articles videos. There's no way they'll even consider it. They're trying to distance themselves as much as possible.

 

[redflare]

That's very true Tickle_Fiend05, but I'm curious to find out what the people here feel about Benoit's candidacy for the hall of fame not so much what the WWE feels. So basically if you were in charge of a WWE hall of fame committee would you induct Chris Benoit? Why or why not?

 

[BigJim]

At this point I'd say who killed whom in the Benoit case has also been proven just as thoroughly. The toxicology results are the only evidence outstanding but the best we can hope for from them is some indication of why Benoit did what he did. That he did it seems as indisputable as who is buried in Grant's Tomb.

RedMage, thank you for introducing me to a second genuinely new experience.

 

[BigJim]

As for other comments on benoits son, giving HGH to underdeveloped children is medically allowed to restore metabolism

Only if medically condoned and I'd be shocked if it were allowed intravenously.

Redmage, an opinion on this? I'd happily defer to you on this one.

 

[Goodieluver]

Hello all, I have an interesting question to pose to you all regarding this matter. Now I know we can't be 100% certain that Chris Benoit did in fact do what is widely believed that he did, but barring a most surprising turn of events the evidence shows that he did commit this murder suicide.

Now my question is should this act automatically disqualify him from being inducted into the hall of fame. Prior to this tragic event I do not think it is even arguable that his wrestling career would guarantee him induction into the hall. I'll withold my view on it for now because I want to assume the role of devil's advocate in response to the first intelligent opinion given on this matter.

Hope to hear from you all soon.

Sadly it will, but that is the way of all hall of fames, look at any sport. Yes no star has ever (to the public knowledge) done something as horrific as this, but players are not admitted to the hall for actions off the field, which is wrong. For example pete rose, yes he did gamble, but nowhere did it say he threw games or such. He is arguably the best hitter of a generation, yet he is kept from the hall due to this.

Bruce hart, a family member of the hart family and close friend to benoit since benoit trained with them, that recently benoit seemed to just really lose it mentally. "The last time I saw him he was in pretty rough shape mentally. I didn't know all the details but I knew it wasn't good. I was not at all shocked (by what happened)", Hart said.

No excuse is acceptable yes for what he did, but it would "lessen" the shock if it was deemed he was driven insane by something or some dispute that destroyed him.(and something illegal, yes he had steroids, but he also had prescriptions for them due to major neck surgery the past 18 months)

So he wont get into the hall which is a shame because he was the best actual wrestler on this continent, and hell, everyone has skeletons in the closet, who is to say any wrestler or star we love today isnt really someone as brutal as chris benoit. If i was a fan of OJ in football, the murders he "Did" wouldnt make me not be a fan of his football skills he did. I dont see Naked gun and say "turn it off i dont wanna see him" I just enjoy the comedy for what it is. As with benoit's matches, i will watch some of his classics and i will applaud the effort he gives, an effort most "veterans" of the ring today couldnt accomplish with thought

 

[redflare]

tough to play devil's advocate against that

I feel exactly the same about the situation, and it is funny that you should mention Pete Rose since I read he is actually in the WWE Hall of Fame which shows how high their standards are lol. It is unfortunate that this all happened, but Benoit's personal acts should not take away from his wrestling career, but it looks like it will the only way he gets into the hall is if in time people can forgive his actions.

 

[Goodieluver]

I feel exactly the same about the situation, and it is funny that you should mention Pete Rose since I read he is actually in the WWE Hall of Fame which shows how high their standards are lol. It is unfortunate that this all happened, but Benoit's personal acts should not take away from his wrestling career, but it looks like it will the only way he gets into the hall is if in time people can forgive his actions.

It also goes for friends of his. If i had a friend who was dear to me, who then all a sudden did something as horrible as this, he all a sudden would not be considered a friend in my mind, he would live in my mind as he always did and my friendship concept with him would not change and i would speak of him as how i knew him

 

[Tickle Fiend]

The WWE Hall of Fame is different than others. The wrestlers aren't voted in by writer's like other sports. Those players are affected by their off-field actions, even though they're not supposed to be. With that said, Vince McMahon makes the final decision and he's going to do what's best for the WWE. Imagine the negative publicity the WWE would get if they were to put Benoit into the HOF. I know they won't and if I were them I wouldn't do it either. This is much different from the Eddie Guerrero death.

 

[911]

I think he should be in the hall of fame, but that's just what I think.

 

[Goodieluver]

I think he should be in the hall of fame, but that's just what I think.

question that should be asked, for the WRESTLING HALL OF FAME, why should he NOT be inducted. Based on the capital letters i used, no one can offer a argument against

Whats next, pwi gonna erase all the records\titles that benoit held?

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

question that should be asked, for the WRESTLING HALL OF FAME, why should he NOT be inducted. Based on the capital letters i used, no one can offer a argument against

Whats next, pwi gonna erase all the records\titles that benoit held?

If you base induction purely on physical ability... You can never erase Chris Benoit's title record, any more than you can erase what he obviously did. If it's proven that Chris used illegal substances in order to have the ability to wrestle as well as he did, then I say keep him out. It's cheating, plain and simple. If, otoh, he is proven to have been clean, then I see no reason to discount his achievements.

However... Since inductions are also based upon personal character, I would not vote him in because of what he did.

 

[911]

If you base induction purely on physical ability... You can never erase Chris Benoit's title record, any more than you can erase what he obviously did. If it's proven that Chris used illegal substances in order to have the ability to wrestle as well as he did, then I say keep him out. It's cheating, plain and simple. If, otoh, he is proven to have been clean, then I see no reason to discount his achievements.

However... Since inductions are also based upon personal character, I would not vote him in because of what he did.

Wrestling is not like baseball it is a show performed by perfessional athlets that is scripted so you can't really cheat. That's like saying the actor who won the fight in a movie was on drugs so he shouldn't get the oscar. Drugs also can't make you a good wrestler, training and dedacation does. Benoit was also trained by stuert hart who had grown men screaming blood murder in his basement from intense holds and technics he applied to his students.

 

[BigJim]

Wrestling is not like baseball it is a show performed by perfessional athlets that is scripted so you can't really cheat. That's like saying the actor who won the fight in a movie was on drugs so he shouldn't get the oscar. Drugs also can't make you a good wrestler, training and dedacation does. Benoit was also trained by stuert hart who had grown men screaming blood murder in his basement from intense holds and technics he applied to his students.

Steroids is cheating, even in a scripted "sport" like pro-wrestling. Wrestling is just as competitive as any sport, and physical ability counts a lot for it. Steroids are banned because they fuck up bodies when not used for medical purposes and prescribed by qualified doctors (and quite often they do, even then).

If an actor was taking an illegal drug, or taking a legal drug illegally that enhanced his dramatic abilities somehow, then absolutely he shouldn't get the Oscar.

Benoit's trainer is a complete irrelevance in this matter, I don't know why you mentioned it.

 

[Redmage]

Steroids is cheating, even in a scripted "sport" like pro-wrestling. Wrestling is just as competitive as any sport, and physical ability counts a lot for it. Steroids are banned because they fuck up bodies when not used for medical purposes and prescribed by qualified doctors (and quite often they do, even then).

As far as pro wrestling is concerned, steroids are banned only because they're illegal. And they really shouldn't be - the damage someone does to his or her own body is no one else's business.

I don't think pro wrestling should be held to the same standards as soccer, football, or baseball. In most professional sports drug enhancement is cheating the customer. Baseball fans go to see the best man win, not the best pharmacist. However no pro wrestling fan thinks the best man wins. Everyone knows that the storyline determines the winner. So instead pro wrestling fans go to be entertained by stupendous feats of strength and agility, and by massive physiques. If steroids make a wrestler MORE ENTERTAINING then they're giving the customer more of what he's paying for rather than less, as in nearly every other professional sport.

 

[The Sean Man]

No matter what you believe here, the fact of the matter is that the WWE has to steer clear of anything Chris Benoit related...for the time being, and possibly for a loooong time. The Benoit story is a national headline now, with people weighing on all sides. This isn't the usual pro wrestling goofiness like Sgt. Slaughter becoming an Iraqi sympathiser during the Gulf War, or the Kane/Katie Vick necrophilia storyline. A pro wrestler, possibly under the influence of drugs, murdered his wife and child. The scrutiny that Vince, the WWE, and pro wrestling in general are receiving is massive.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Wrestling is not like baseball it is a show performed by perfessional athlets that is scripted so you can't really cheat. That's like saying the actor who won the fight in a movie was on drugs so he shouldn't get the oscar. Drugs also can't make you a good wrestler, training and dedacation does. Benoit was also trained by stuert hart who had grown men screaming blood murder in his basement from intense holds and technics he applied to his students.

I'm fully aware of the natural ability and training that Chris had. But, scripted or not, using an illegal substance to boost one's performance is cheating. You can cheat to perform better whether or not it makes a difference in winning. And, since the wrestler's are placed in divisions and on cards based at least partly on ability, that still makes it cheating. Chris was one of my favorite wrestlers as far as physical ability and guts. But, I stick by my statement. I still wouldn't consider him a candidate.

I guess we simply agree to disagree on this.

 

[BigJim]

As far as pro wrestling is concerned, steroids are banned only because they're illegal. And they really shouldn't be - the damage someone does to his or her own body is no one else's business.

Hardly anyone who takes 'roids does so in total medical knowledge of how they fuck up your body and brain if abused. I don't think they should be legal any more than heoin or crack.

I don't think pro wrestling should be held to the same standards as soccer, football, or baseball. In most professional sports drug enhancement is cheating the customer. Baseball fans go to see the best man win, not the best pharmacist. However no pro wrestling fan thinks the best man wins. Everyone knows that the storyline determines the winner. So instead pro wrestling fans go to be entertained by stupendous feats of strength and agility, and by massive physiques. If steroids make a wrestler MORE ENTERTAINING then they're giving the customer more of what he's paying for rather than less, as in nearly every other professional sport.

Having done a spot of it, I can't agree with you. Kayfabe storylines are not arbitary or random. They reflect the way a wrestler is "over", more often than not the majority of which he gets done himself. If someone wins the world title, it isn't because his name came out of a hat, it's because he spent time building his character, polishing his performance and increasing his physical ability.

We all know that wrestling has scripts and a storyline, but that isn't the point. It's as competetive as anything and more competetive than most. Being the "best man" is a result of years of hard work, except in extremely exceptional cases like Brock Lesnar, who is to wrestling what the Pistol Star is to astronomy.

I'm fully aware of the natural ability and training that Chris had. But, scripted or not, using an illegal substance to boost one's performance is cheating. You can cheat to perform better whether or not it makes a difference in winning. And, since the wrestler's are placed in divisions and on cards based at least partly on ability, that still makes it cheating. Chris was one of my favorite wrestlers as far as physical ability and guts. But, I stick by my statement. I still wouldn't consider him a candidate.

I guess we simply agree to disagree on this.

Perfect illustration of my feelings on this. Not to mention more succinct Ann.