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Your views on Corporal Punishment.

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I think people that believe in corporal punishment have good intentions, however may perhaps be a bit lazy in trying to find other, more effective ways of disciplining their children.

When you hit your kid as a way to teach them something, they understand that inflicting pain on someone is a way of expressing anger, teaching a lesson, or disciplining and then when they grow up it's possible they may not be able to differentiate between a spanking and a beating.

I was spanked, slapped, had a 40 pound lamp thrown at me (still got the dent in my skull) among other things, as well as both of my sisters. All it did for us was teach us to fear my mother which is not a healthy relationship. When we were younger and would get angry at each other over a toy or something, we'd resort to hitting each other. I once threw a rock at the neighbor kid because I didn't like her. I didn't know any better at the time, I was just doing what I'd been taught.

There are more effective ways of disciplining and teaching children aside from corporal punishment, but I feel there are too many uneducated parents that didn't plan to be parents and thus are lazy in terms of raising their children.
 
i dont have a problem with spanking your child or smacking or whatever it is your going to do but i dont think it should be because your irritated. the only way i would personally do it is if i was trying to get a point across to the kid and it failed in other ways and then i would only do it once hoping that it got my point across
 
I saw this documentary-style TV show, I think it was called "Principal's Office." There was a principal in another area of the country that legally offered spanking instead of Saturday detention. It was bizarre.

I don't have kids, but I was never spanked as a kid. I tend to assume that I wouldn't do it to my future children.

Not so bizarre really. Many schools in the USA offer that option and before it was outlawed here, some did it in England too.
 
Atop the fact that Ru and I always seem to piggyback off each other with threads; I've been reading the replies in his thread and was surprised due to the way the conversation swung, that no one thought to turn it into a separate discussion.

As of 2008, Corporal Punishment as been legally banned in 23 countries. Do you agree with this? Do you view CP as no way to teach something?

Obviously CP is not only used in reference to parenting. It's clearly well-used in the BDSM community (more so the D/s). It prides itself upon it almost, as a way to make certain a sub or slave does not disrespect a Dom/me or err again.

Because it's being inflicted in such manner onto grown adults, does that make it any better or worse?

I, personally, lean more towards the side of not pausing to spank my son if he's truly been out of line. I don't ever do it just because I feel a need to assert a form of authority unless absolutely needed. I grew up with that as a form of punishment and looking back on it now, I probably deserved it.

I'm strongly against forms of punishment or discipline that are inflicted for no good reason whatsoever, or carry the potential to severely hurt a child.

In reference to the D/s community's use of CP; I wholly support it's practices.

I personally am against it. That is to say there is a difference between a swat on the butt to punish your child as opposed to taking a belt to them. The latter I find barbaric and a step backwards.
 
Over the last couple of decades, a number of studies have revealed a wide range of negative effects of spanking. One three-year study, conducted by Murray Straus of the University of New Hampshire, found evidence that this traditional practice leads to more antisocial behaviors. The study found that mothers who had spanked even once during a test week reported higher rates of antisocial behavior by their children two years following the spankings.

Other studies have revealed similar effects. Three separate studies of children with serious conduct problems, conducted by Grozier and Katz (1979), Patterson (1982), and Webster-Stratton et al. (1988, 1990), found that when spanking was discontinued and other forms of discipline and behavior management were used instead, the children's behavior improved. A study conducted by researchers at McMasters University found that anxiety disorders, drug and alcohol problems, antisocial behavior, and depression were more prevalent among adults who had been spanked as children. Because of this vast amount of research, the American Academy of Pediatrics has called for a ban on school spanking.

Another serious problem with spanking is that while most parents mean well, it's easy to lose patience, especially with our often-unrealistic expectations. Light swats to the bottom can escalate after repeated failure at curtailing inappropriate behavior. More alarming, in 1991, Harold Grasmick, Robert Bursik, Jr., and M'lou Kimpel of the University of Oklahoma wrote, "The child abuse rate for parents who approve of corporal punishment is four times the rate of child abuse for parents who do not approve of corporal punishment."

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A child development text says if you have to spank your children, remember the first swat is for your child's correction; every additional swat is to make you feel better. I think that's a good rule.
 
By the way chaps, I give you fair warning...

Big-ass post imminent!

Okay?
 
This is quite a complicated and detailed subject: one that if done properly, would have to involve a lot points being made. The anti-CP (corporal, not capital) lobby has used extremely emotive arguments to favour a ban on it and as a result, the waters are muddier than the Thames or the Hudson. This being the case, let me explain a bit of my history with it.



I started school in 1983, four years before it was banned from government run schools in England. British public schools (a public school in Britain is actually one of the very topmost private, or independent schools, what you would call a public school we call a state school – long and very boring explanation), although world famous for their history of birching and caning, were actually among the first to phase it out. Most started getting rid of corporal punishment in the 1960’s and 70’s, and the state system didn’t follow suit until the early 80’s in any great quantity.
I didn’t witness corporal punishment being given to anyone else at school, nor was I ever given it, apart from one very minor occasion, which was very far from a formalised ritual, and which involved a large dictionary, not a cane anyway. (Two minor occasions if you include being hauled around a classroom by my hair, being told to improve my conduct all the way.)



My involvement with the subject started around 1989, when I was eleven. Our schools had dispensed with it in the legal sense two years ago and hadn’t used it practically for nearly a decade, for the most part.
I knew it had happened of course, mainly from tales from my parents, but hadn’t given it much thought or felt any interest in it.
I started thinking about it when I saw it depicted in a film, and from then one thought about it quite a lot.
I looked around at the problems I saw in school: the smoking; the bullying; the little shits telling teachers to fuck off and then following it with ‘Don’t touch me, I know my rights’ and thought, ‘I know this never used to happen.’
Quite frankly, I saw no fear of consequence for hoodlums in schools and came to the conclusion that detentions and suspensions were looked on as little more than minor inconveniences and wonderful extra school holidays respectively.
So never being one to do things by halves, I wrote a letter to the then Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher asking for it to be brought back.
Oh, the optimism of youth, eh?
Quite naturally, Mrs. Thatcher didn’t take a blind bit of notice. Indeed, I would be monumentally surprised if she even knew of my letter’s existence.
It was forwarded to some department of the gub’mint or other who sent me a very nice three page, mass-produced letter (a stack of which were kept in a filing cabinet somewhere labelled “replies to nutters”, probably) telling me to sod off and mind my own business, but thanking me for my concern.
It did give me five minutes of fame at my school though, which was kind of nice. Sadly, it also got me a shoeing off a group of older boys who knew they would have been the regular subjects of it should it ever have been bought back. Hey ho, the vagaries of life.
Two or three years later I did it again, this time to John Major, who was probably too busy shagging Edwina Currie to take any notice.
Got another nice letter though, different only in the respect of it saying “Mr. Major thanks you for your concern” instead of “Mrs. Thatcher thanks you for your concern”. Did Maggie ever actually thank anyone apart from Ronald Regan?

So, to the details of the debate...

I remain to this day, a proponent of the use of reasonable corporal punishment both in the home and at school.
But what is reasonable? What is justifiable?

For completely different reasons (No, not those reasons! Get your mind out of the gutter!), I have recently been researching this subject and handily have a few good points to make.
During the course of this research, I found, rather to my surprise (although knowing America, it probably shouldn’t have been a surprise), that America alone of all the industrialised nations, continues to practice CP in schools. Whilst studying this, I found a few rather disturbing things...
According to the various articles I was reading, such practice was often referred to as “paddling”, which apparently had something to do with the implement used.
‘Oh this is interesting’ I thought, ‘What is a paddle exactly?’
I quickly found an image of said implement and my reaction was, ‘Jesus Christ in a queue at a fucking brothel, that’s a fucking cricket bat!’
Looking at this thing, the first thought that came to mind was that this, with just the tiniest misjudgement by the user, could do serious damage, especially to a female.
Right on cue, I found a story about a girl of 17 who had been paddled (only one stroke) recently who had subsequently suffered vaginal bleeding for about three weeks as a result.
I think this girl was also the one who was simultaneously thrown off her cheerleading squad for the offence, which in my opinion was totally wrong.
Her offence (smoking at school) was one I consider bad enough to justify CP, but I think being paddled was enough. If she had refused to submit to it, then I could understand such a sanction, but doubling it with CP was in my opinion, too severe.
This incident confirmed my opinion that a “paddle” was too wide and carried too much penetrating kinetic force, created too much of a shock wave in the flesh, to be a suitable implement for CP.
As I read further, I started to see other things that concerned me deeply about the practice in the US. Paddlings were being handed out, in this day and age for such heinous offences as: chewing gum, public displays of affection; having a mobile phone (not using it) on the offender’s lap instead of in a bag; talking during a lesson and so on.
This is the sort of offence that I would punish, were I a teacher, with a verbal reprimand followed by a trip to the headteacher’s (principal’s) office. But these went right to CP!
This sort of thing is the material which gives the anti-CP lobby plentiful ammunition for emotive campaigning. This is the sort of thing which “debases the currency” of CP and, most importantly of all, it’s the sort of thing that can have a profoundly negative effect on the subject.
Chewing gum? A public display of affection? Bugger me; did anyone have a sense of proportion here? Presumably not.
What would be the result of swearing at a teacher or taking drugs? Life without parole? Force-feeding with sheep dip? A public stoning? Jehovah, Jehovah, JEHOVAAAAAAHHHHH!!! (Always look on the bright side of life, tee tum, tee tum, tee tum tee tum tee tum!)




So what would be my alternative? Hmmm...



The cane as administered at English schools, would, if done on the palm of the hand, result in a red and white wheal with a raised centre that would have faded within about twenty four hours.
If done across the backside (usually with more force, as the hand canings were softer so bones would be broken and were done with a different action that didn’t let the momentum build up) the resulting purple and scarlet bruising stayed on the victim for two to three weeks and usually fade from agony to tingling within one to two hours.
The cane carries very little penetrating force at all, spending all its power on the surface. Certainly I don’t imagine that any caning bar the fabled “Eton Pop tanning” could have produced the sort of injuries that that American girl suffered as a result of her paddling, which was done, according to the mother, by the male principal (another thing I object to – a male teacher inflicting it on a female pupil, especially one who is as old as this one was), with both hands and with an action somewhat resembling a golf swing, delivering enough force with the first shot to throw her nearly over the top of the desk she was bent over. Lack of proportion again?
Another possible alternative is what was popularly referred to as “slippering”, and a proviso of British state schools, rather than public or private ones.
This was something of a misnomer, as it was actually done with the sole of a large gym shoe with the top cut away. Stung like a bastard, but being rubber, didn’t injure. Probably not the equal of the cane in terms of pain, but affected a wider area and didn’t mark the skin as much.


Of course, one must consider the “target” audience and the effect it would produce. You have to do this, because you have to ask yourself what you would be trying to achieve if you wanted it brought back.
Back when the fight to get it outlawed here was reaching its conclusion, several proponents of CP uttered the utterly shite line that it was, ‘The last resort’.
Bollocks.
Blatant untruths like that, easily revealed untruths at that, gave the anti lobby more ammunition than a break-in at Fort Bragg (or Stirling Lines, if you’re British) could’ve done.
It was very often the first resort and, in my opinion, if the offence is more than a piddlingly trivial one, that is not unreasonable.
You can safely assume that if a situation has reached the point where a “last resort” is even necessary, then nothing short of self interest is going to correct the miscreant’s behaviour.
So here’s a thought...
Disruption usually has a ringleader. That ringleader is, in my experience, (which was pretty horrific at school – I would have at least four Purple Hearts) beyond correction and will very often go on to lead an adult similar life to the one they did as a child.
That ringleader, no matter how bad they may be, can achieve only so much on their own. The bulk of their influence on a class or school lies in their followers. Hitler, evil mass-murdering numpty-bollock that he was, would have achieved nothing more than public derision if most of the people at his rallies had pissed themselves laughing at the nonsense he was saying.
CP would very likely act as nothing more than an antagonism to said ringleader. So get rid of them. Expel them from school and if necessary, detain them in a correctional centre for minors. That isn’t to say that CP wouldn’t be appropriate for them at an earlier stage, perhaps it would turn them away from disruption before they get to ringleader status?
CP however, act as a very effective deterrent for the majority of the gang-members who follow them around, giggle behind their hands and then go on to spread mischief in their own way. The moment one of them steps out of sufficient line... well, you know the rest.

Such opponents of physical chastisement are often quick to point out that it is used too often, for too trivial an offence and administered with too much severity. They say such a thing is not punishment at all, but child abuse.
I say, fucking right. It is and you are totally correct. The people in such instances should face criminal charges, let alone dismissal from their posts, or even a reprimand.
I however, am equally quick to point out that this is not corporal punishment or even correction. This is idiocy and an act of bullying.
For corporal punishment to be truly punishment and not some adult with no imagination’s way of letting off steam, it must be done cold-bloodedly.
Of course, we normally assume that “cold-blooded” is something negative, but in this case, it is decidedly no such thing. To administer physical punishment while the blood is singing in your ears and your anger is roused is fucking dangerous, both to the deliverer and the subject.
So far as I am concerned, there needs to be time between the offence and the punishment. There needs to be a period of calm and rational thought, on both sides. This will prevent, in 99% of cases (yes, I did just pluck that figure out of thin air, so please don’t bother asking me to cite a reference for it) both overly severe punishment and trivial wrongs being punished with CP.
Obviously there are occasions when corporal punishment has “escalated” into abuse or battery, but that is insufficient information to suggest there is a causal relationship between the two.
Indeed, many years after corporal punishment of all kinds, including parental within the home, was abolished in Sweden, a study in that country revealed that physical abuse toward children was as widespread there as it is in America, where it is extremely widespread both at home an in schools, helped by the religious lobby.
Another argument is that corporal punishment is “degrading”. I don’t fully understand this, and the definition seems to be very loose. All punishment, to some degree, causes discomfiture, embarrassment or shame to the receiver.
I assume degrading in this sense to mean something that causes such a blow to the ego, the sense of self, that it causes severe emotional harm to the recipient. In the instance of corporal punishment, I would say a public flogging, being caned in front of the whole school in the assembly hall for instance (such as was rarely done for extremely severe offences), would be degrading. In the same breath I would say that forcing the recipient of CP to lower their trousers and underpants and take it on the bare bottom, would be degrading and thoroughly unacceptable.
A caning/slippering on the hand or the backside in the privacy of the headteacher or head of house’s office however? No, I wouldn’t call that degrading, not even if the victim of the miscreant, such as in a case of bullying, were present to see justice done.
Is corporal punishment psychologically damaging? Are we turning out the drug abusers, alcoholics, wife beaters and bank robbers of the future, if we chastise children?
To give what is pretty much my view, I shall quote David Benetar of Cape Town University...

Although there is evidence that excessive corporal punishment can significantly increase the chances of such psychological harm, most of the psychological data are woefully inadequate to the task of demonstrating that mild and infrequent corporal punishment has such consequences. One opponent of corporal punishment who has provided data on even mild and infrequent physical chastisement is Murray Straus.10 His research, which is much more sophisticated than most earlier investigations into corporal punishment, does lend support to the view that even infrequent noninjurious corporal punishment can increase one's chances of being depressed. However, for two reasons this research is inadequate to the task of demonstrating that mild corporal punishment is wrong. First, the studies are not conclusive. The main methodological problem is that the studies are not experiments but post facto investigations based on self-reports.11 Murray Straus recognizes this12 but nevertheless thinks that the studies are compelling. The second point is that even if Professor Straus's findings are valid, the nature of the data is insufficiently marked to justify a moral condemnation of mild and infrequent corporal punishment. For instance, the increase of depression, according to his study, is not substantial for rare physical punishment. The increments on his Mean Symptoms Index of depression are only slight for one or two instances of corporal punishment during one's teen years. The increments are somewhat more substantial for three to nineteen incidents of corporal punishment but, surprisingly, for twenty to twenty-nine incidents the Mean Symptoms Index falls again nearly to the level of two episodes of corporal punishment.13 The chances of having suicidal thoughts, according to this study, decreases marginally with one incident of corporal punishment during adolescence, then rises slightly for three to five episodes of corporal punishment. For ten to nineteen instances of physical punishment the likelihood of having suicidal thoughts is approximately the same as it is for those who are not beaten at all during adolescence. The probability increases markedly for more than twenty-nine episodes of physical punishment during one's teens,14 as one would expect when many beatings are administered. Professor Straus does not provide data about how physical punishment during (preteen) childhood affects the likelihood of depression, which would have been interesting given that one might expect corporal punishment to be psychologically more damaging to adolescents than to younger children.
Given that even the data suggesting that very rare instances of mild corporal punishment do have some negative effects also suggest that the effects are not substantial, there is a strong likelihood that they could be overridden by other considerations in a consequentialist calculation. In other words, showing some negative effects is not sufficient to make a consequentialist case against all corporal punishment. Other considerations, including possible advantages of corporal punishment, would have to be taken into account. Moreover, because the available evidence shows no serious harm from mild and infrequent corporal punishment, there seem to be poor grounds for suggesting that for retributivists the punishment should be regarded as unacceptably severe.

A further argument I hear from the especially vocal anti-CP brigade, is that it teaches children that violence is the way to resolve issues.
I say… cobblers.
Authority always has, and has always had, the power to do things to private people that they don’t have the right to do to each other. Would an after school detention or imprisonment teach a person that kidnapping someone and holding them against their will was the way to resolve an issue? Would confiscating an item or a fine teach a person that stealing something off of someone who had pissed them off was the way to resolve an issue? Of course it wouldn’t! Authority, be it a government, a parent, a school or a court is very different to an interpersonal relationship and everyone of sound minds must realise that.
To quote Benetar again…
The objection takes too crude a view of human psychology and the message that punishment can impart. There is all the difference in the world between legitimate authorities -- the judiciary, parents, or teachers -- using punitive powers responsibly to punish wrongdoing, and children or private citizens going around beating each other, locking each other up, and extracting financial tributes (such as lunch money). There is a vast moral difference here and there is no reason why children should not learn about it. Punishing children when they do wrong seems to be one important way of doing this. To suggest that children and others cannot extract this message, but only the cruder version that the objection suggests, is to underestimate the expressive function of punishment and people's ability to comprehend it.
Nuff said.
And what about the argument that says CP does not deter? That it doesn’t prevent future wrongdoing? Would someone who is anti-CP seriously tell me that counseling, a lunchtime detention, a verbal reprimand and so on should therefore be equally abandoned? Ask any average kid, not a kingpin troublemaker as discussed above, which they’d rather have, a session of counceling, a verbal reprimand or six of the best. You could ask me which I’d have dreaded most when I was a kid and which one would have deterred me from doing whatever misdemeanor!
Well, that’s me for now (Stop cheering at the back there!) No doubt there’ll be other discussions, one of which is the Hand Vs. Implement idea, which would of course be mainly of interest between pro-CP people, but we can leave that for later.
 
were more prevalent among adults who had been spanked as children. Because of this vast amount of research, the American Academy of Pediatrics has called for a ban on school spanking.

A very ambiguous sentence. The word "spanked", especially in America (unlike Britain where it specifcally means an open hand on the backside) has a multitude of meanings. One could put "delivered two or three considered blows across a child's bottom" with "was repeatedly hit by a parent with mental issues for trivial offences of numerous occasions" into the same survey.
 
I don't think anyone is confused about what spanking means, here. I would go through that post, but just the look of it is exhausting. No offense, my friend.
 
If we're specifically talking about corporal punishment for children, allowing school authorities to use it is a legal hazard.

I'm not necessarily against on a moral level, but legally, it's just too much of a risk.
 
I think that the question of thumbs up versus thumbs down on corporal punishment in child rearing can best be superseded by discussion of child rearing practices in a larger context. With that in mind, I think the most important rules for parents are that they should try to make the relationship with their children as high-quality and loving as possible, and they should take care always to set the example for good behavior. The way I look at it, when the child misbehaves and gets spanked, that may teach the child that a certain kind of misbehavior brings about a certain kind of punishment, but I think the question to ask is, how can you encourage good behavior so that the negativity of spanking can be avoided?

It's a whole other matter in BDSM, because there, it's a sexual ritual, not a behavior management strategy, though yes I do know that there are people in the BDSM scene who take the ritual so seriously that you'd think it were about discipline. I would say, also, that anybody who is in the BDSM world as a top should be extra-careful when it comes to the children, because it is possible to spill over. I once came upon a website (anonymously rooted, of course) that was clearly a small cyber community of parents who get off on spanking their children and just barely pretend that they're doing anything different. With those people it's more deliberate, but for those who don't have any such sick intentions (and trust me, these people were serious sickos), it is important to err on the side of caution.
 
I think that the question of thumbs up versus thumbs down on corporal punishment in child rearing can best be superseded by discussion of child rearing practices in a larger context. With that in mind, I think the most important rules for parents are that they should try to make the relationship with their children as high-quality and loving as possible, and they should take care always to set the example for good behavior. The way I look at it, when the child misbehaves and gets spanked, that may teach the child that a certain kind of misbehavior brings about a certain kind of punishment, but I think the question to ask is, how can you encourage good behavior so that the negativity of spanking can be avoided?

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That always did kill me parents who swore,smoked,told lies,etc,then they had the nerve to punish a child they did stuff like that
 
I was spanked occasionally as a kid, and I'm a-okay (shut up slacker). My niece is 5 and has been raised sans spanking so far, and she's perfectly fine. When I have kids, who knows if I'll use spanking. It'll probably depend greatly on how the father feels about it. I don't have anything against it, but I wouldn't swear by it as the only means of effective disciplining.
 
I don't think anyone is confused about what spanking means, here.


Spanking is a broader term in America, or so I get the sense. It can refer to more places than just the backside and both to open hand and implement striking. Here it's an open hand on the arse and nothing else.


I would go through that post, but just the look of it is exhausting. No offense, my friend.


I get that a lot. 🙁
 
If we're specifically talking about corporal punishment for children, allowing school authorities to use it is a legal hazard.

I'm not necessarily against on a moral level, but legally, it's just too much of a risk.

Apparently not though. It seems to be not widespread exactly, but certainly common.
 
but I think the question to ask is, how can you encourage good behavior so that the negativity of spanking can be avoided?

Excellent point. Encouraging good behaviour always wins on discouraging bad.
 
Spanking is a broader term in America, or so I get the sense. It can refer to morte places than just the backside and both to open hand and implement striking. Here it's an open hand on the arse and nothing else.

I've lived in America for 22 years and 2 weeks and I have never understood spanking to mean anything other than using an open hand to smack someone's ass. I've never even heard of the word being used to describe some other form of punishment.
 
I've lived in America for 22 years and 2 weeks and I have never understood spanking to mean anything other than using an open hand to smack someone's ass. I've never even heard of the word being used to describe some other form of punishment.

And you've been a member of the TMF for six years?

Tsk tsk! 😛

Seriously though, in your case, I am happy to stand thus corrected. 🙂

Oh, and happy birthday for a fortnight ago. 😀😀😀
 
I hope not to have to deal with this question for a few years yet, but here are my thoughts at this point...

I was raised with a little bit of spanking, occasionally. It was never consistent, and I learned nothing from it. But I can tell you that dealing with emotional bullshit from my parents was 100x worse. They say psychological abuse is always more damaging than anything physical you can do to a person.

So I'll probably spank my kids occasionally if it means not having to wage psy-ops campaigns against them that last for years...god, those were fun times... 🙁
 
I hope not to have to deal with this question for a few years yet, but here are my thoughts at this point...

I was raised with a little bit of spanking, occasionally. It was never consistent, and I learned nothing from it. But I can tell you that dealing with emotional bullshit from my parents was 100x worse. They say psychological abuse is always more damaging than anything physical you can do to a person.

So I'll probably spank my kids occasionally if it means not having to wage psy-ops campaigns against them that last for years...god, those were fun times... 🙁

Another good reason why the anti-CP lobby is wrong on a lot of their opinions, in MY opinion anyway.

A injury or a wound is an injury or a wound, whether physical or emotional or mental and anything done as a ounishment has the possibility of inflicting one, given unique enough circumstances. The only way out of it is to not punish or correct at all.
 
I strongly support CP so long as the parents are responsible enough to know when to stop and the kid is healthy and old enough to know better. I don’t support administration of CP by school officials or by people like the low-life degenerates that killed Baby Grace.
When I was a kid and stepped out of line I was given 10 or so lashes on the ass with a leather belt. Mostly it happened if I lied to my parents, destroyed something or mouthed off. I learned quickly from those experiences and gained respect for my elders and society. I had to endure probably only 6 or 7 decent whoopings my whole life and that was enough. My parents hated hitting me like that but did it out of love. I understood that then and still do now. The problem these days is that the love implicit to CP is being forgotten. No decent parent should enjoy disciplining their kid with CP nor make it a regular occurrence- if they do then there’s something wrong with their parenting skills. Also no responsible citizen should let their kid become a delinquent. I have no faith in the commonly used “discipline” methods used today. Personally I think “timeouts”and what not are a joke. The problem with these methods is that they lack any aspect of shame or pain, the very essence of discipline. the kid knows they just have to wait it out and they can go back to being their bratty self again. A little trauma can be a good thing. Although I know I’ll hate doing it I'll have no problem swatting my kid if they deserve it. And if I need to unbuckle my belt to do it then so be it.
 
Interesting topic. I have mixed feelings about corporal punishment. When I was growing up, if I misbehaved my dad would spank me. If I mouthed off to my mom, she would slap me. Did I deserve it? Yes, about 99.9% of the time I felt I deserved it.

I grew up with corporal punishment in my school, and I really think it deterred a lot of bad behavior. In middle school/Jr. High, as well as high school (up until 1986 when corporal punishment was done away with in my state), we were sometimes given a choice of swats or Saturday school. I knew a lot of kids who chose swats over giving up a Saturday to do hard labor. From what I've heard, back then, Saturday school was no cake walk...cleaning, picking up trash around the school, scraping gum from under the desks, etc. Many of the kids would rather do swats than sacrificing a Saturday. What's my point? I don't know.

Now, speaking as a teacher, part of me wants corporate punishment back in schools. The other part of me, thinks no, the parents need to be be held responsible and accountable for their child's actions.
 
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Interesting topic. I have mixed feelings about corporal punishment. When I was growing up, if I misbehaved my dad would spank me. If I mouthed off to my mom, she would slap me. Did I deserve it? Yes, about 99.9% of the time I felt I deserved it.

I grew up with corporal punishment in my school, and I really think it deterred a lot of bad behavior. In middle school/Jr. High, as well as high school (up until 1986 when corporal punishment was done away with in my state), we were sometimes given a choice of swats or Saturday school. I knew a lot of kids who chose swats over giving up a Saturday to do hard labor. From what I've heard, back then, Saturday school was no cake walk...cleaning, picking up trash around the school, scraping gum from under the desks, etc. Many of the kids would rather do swats than sacrificing a Saturday. What's my point? I don't know.

Now, speaking as a teacher, part of me wants corporate punishment back in schools. The other part of me, thinks no, the parents need to be be held responsible and accountable for their child's actions.


As you're a teacher and thus someone who might be responsible for adminstering CP if you ever moved state, what do you think of the points I made about different implements? Do you think they were valid, or not?
 
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