You're So Vain, You Prob'ly Think This Post Is About You (video mini-rant) :)

[BellaRisa]

I'd like to pose a question to video and clip fans:

You do realize that your fave type of clip isn't the only kind that people like, right? And that folks who aren't you deserve to see what they like just as much as you do?

I ask because of all the posts (and PM's and emails) I've read dedicated to complaining about what didn't happen in a particular clip or video. How come the 'ler or 'lee was a dude? Why didn't they tie her toes/why wasn't she wearing white socks/how come her underarms were even in the video when she has two perfectly good feet that should have been the entire focus??

In other words, why didn't you make the video exactly the way I like it??? Don't you care about your fans, who are all just like ME??? HUH?

All kidding aside, it constantly boggles my mind that so many posters seem to think that only their preferred style and genre of video be released, and the hell with other choices. Is it really that hard to fathom that the M/F video you don't want to watch will become a favorite for many female fans and males who enjoy the interplay between a man and a woman? Or that the F/M vid will be greatly appreciated by lots of non-you individuals?

Did your mama really raise you to think it's all about you?

Inquiring minds wanna know

/rant

Bella

 

[chrisheaven]

Hi, Bella--- thanks for posting just about ME lol

 

[ViperGTS]

*gives Bella a big bear hug* Ahhh the rant of an under appreciated producer!

She and I share this ailment...our fans love our stuff but many still complain, heh. It happens.

 

[Libertine]

Video Specifics

During the days when I acted in soft-core (two spanking vids, and I stayed dressed throughout, thank God) the producer once told me about a custom 'Splosh' job a client commissioned. Splosh, for all you narrow-minded perves who only get off on one thing, means a couple of girls having a messy foodfight, or rolling around in a vat of custard, Jell-o, baked beans or suchlike.

In this case, the client had asked for two girls dressed in schoolgirl uniforms (very popular over here) and ordinary rubber boots to have a playfight in a mudpit. Well, he acquired the girls, the uniforms, the rubber boots, and the mudpit, and shot them getting absolutely filthy, eventually stripping one another naked, rolling around in the mire.

He proudly mailed this cinematic triumph, worthy of Bergman or Fellini at the height of their powers, to the panting customer, who immediately phoned back, screaming, 'What in God's name possessed you to have one of the girls wearing BLUE rubber boots?!! YOU RUINED IT FOR ME!!!

Hey- it seemed obvious to me...

 

[BellaRisa]

During the days when I acted in soft-core (two spanking vids, and I stayed dressed throughout, thank God) the producer once told me about a custom 'Splosh' job a client commissioned. Splosh, for all you narrow-minded perves who only get off on one thing, means a couple of girls having a messy foodfight, or rolling around in a vat of custard, Jell-o, baked beans or suchlike.

In this case, the client had asked for two girls dressed in schoolgirl uniforms (very popular over here) and ordinary rubber boots to have a playfight in a mudpit. Well, he acquired the girls, the rubber boots, and the mudpit, and shot them getting absolutely filthy, eventually stripping one another naked, rolling around in the mire.

He proudly mailed this cinematic triumph, worthy of Bergman or Fellini at the height of their powers, to the panting customer, who immediately phoned back, screaming, 'What in God's name possessed you to have one of the girls wearing BLUE rubber boots?!! YOU RUINED IT FOR ME!!!

Hey- it seemed obvious to me...

Luv, there's a splosh fan who's *still* mad that I didn't dip my saran-wrapped Cassie in a kiddie pool full of Spaghettios...

Let me say that I've always been very well treated by BellaRisa fans; to be blunt, once they figured out that there's simply nothing I can do to wake up looking just like Priscilla James they embraced the short juicy mocha-ness . Seriously, I can honestly say that I very rarely receive hostile or mean-spirited posts or emails; BUT, there's always been a ton about why I didn't do X,Y or Z, as though I'd made a mistake; and the volume of posts and such about ALL of the producers and what precise thing we didn't do in that one clip or video made me wonder if these gents realize it's not all about them, and if they have any understanding of variety and diverse pleasures 🙂

Bella

 

[Coda]

I personally couldn't see myself objecting to free market research.

But, regardless... while there are no doubt plenty of perfectly intelligent and well-mannered people who see fit to spend money on erotic material, don't you... think it's a little much in the current age to expect the full scope of the audience to contain nobody with shallow communication skills?

 

[drew70]

Interesting attitude. In contrast to what I'm reading here, most successful entrepreneurs are interested in honest constructive criticism, and feedback on what people would like to see. I know that if I were in the business, I would want to guage my product line according to popular demand.

It sounds like you're not interested in any comments except positive strokes that feed the ego. Good luck with that.

 

[BellaRisa]

I personally couldn't see myself objecting to free market research.

But, regardless... while there are no doubt plenty of perfectly intelligent and well-mannered people who see fit to spend money on erotic material, don't you... think it's a little much in the current age to expect the full scope of the audience to contain nobody with shallow communication skills?

Posts that protest and insult a clip, not because of any fault but purely because it's not specifically what that particular poster prefers, really don't fall under the category of 'market research'; unless one is testing the market for self-centeredness Seriously, no producer wonders whether a 'lee should have had her feet tickled. We know :bubble. If we didn't, either it's coming next or there was a good reason. Furthermore, of course one expects the audience to consist of all kinds; discussing one kind that producers and other posters often find bemusing and exasperating should also be expected. Unless of course, one is of the notion that producers should be afraid to express their thoughts for fear of upsetting potential clientele. I personally disagree; if producers are expected to hear out our customers the communication should go both ways 😉

Bella

 

[ViperGTS]

Interesting attitude. In contrast to what I'm reading here, most successful entrepreneurs are interested in honest constructive criticism, and feedback on what people would like to see. I know that if I were in the business, I would want to guage my product line according to popular demand.

It sounds like you're not interested in any comments except positive strokes that feed the ego. Good luck with that.

Negative. What dear Bella is trying to say is that it gets annoying when people troll the treads about the clips, whining about things that didn't happen, when we try our best as producers to satisfy our audience.

Everyone wants something different and you can't please everybody, so there will always be someone who wants something other than what we produce.

 

[johnttickle]

My living right now is trying to pick the right product, merchandise that product, and make a nice profit for the large retail company I work for. There have been many times that the product that I like did not end up to be a big seller. I sometimes sit there and scratch my head saying,”this was a great product for the price, why didn’t it sell.” But I picked this product mostly because I liked it, not what the consumer wanted. I did this too often when I was starting out in the business. I now only pick products that the buying market wants. I do this by taking surveys. Also, I now go right to the retail store and work as a sales floor employee. I ask the consumer directly:

“What exactly do you want?”

“Would this product fit your needs?”

“What would you like to see in the future?”

Gearing everything to the consumer, my numbers have sky rocketed. I have made a lot of money for the company, and upper management is off my back.

This advice works if you are trying to sell. If you are looking at your work as an artist, then you need to be the artist and do what your muse tells you; but there may not be a big market for your work. Also, you may get a lot of unhappy criticism.

I also deal with this type too. I help my friend with his music production company. I listen to how the CD is put together and thier chose of songs. I sometimes tell the band that only a couple of songs will be big singles, only to get a backlash from the song writers. This is where I have to tell the band, “Do you want to sell or is this an artistic thing for you?” “If this is an artistic thing, then you need to accept things if the album doesn’t sell big.” Sometimes just changing songs around will make a big difference too; this is so you don’t have two slow songs in a row, or how the whole piece of work flows.

You need to choose if you want to sell volume or work as an artist.

Good luck to you.

Aloha, John

PS: This part of the business can be very stressful. That is why I am in Massage Therapy School on my time off, to get into something less stress full. Trying to figure out what the people want will drive you crazy. Trust Me!

 

[Leo tickles]

When I view clips I view them for what they are, not for what I want them to be. I rarely post in the clips section, and if I do, it's a clip that hasn't been posted before that I may have found, or to just say good job to a producer who DID post EXACTLY what I wanted.

 

[BellaRisa]

You need to choose if you want to sell volume or work as an artist.

Actually, you can do both if you find the right niche market; Bleu Fetish and other producers have done videos that many would consider art and that have sold quite the volume 🙂

What we're getting at, though, is when you do go with what your customer wants but you have different types of customers to satisfy, and one type constantly bemoans your other products as though only their particular needs mattered. Try to imagine owning a lady's shoe store that sold many different styles of footwear; if some of your sandal buyers repeatedly complained that you shouldn't be selling so many open-toed high-heel pumps because they didn't care to wear them, even though plenty of other ladies did, wouldn't you find the complainers a trifle odd?

Bella

 

[barefeetarebest]

Right on, Bella

What gets me more than a little bit flustered is when some narrow-minded person begins to post negative comments about not only the clip and what they didn't see, but also being negative toward the model(s) themselves! This person put themselves out there for our consumption and if it is not what you want, move on! This is unacceptable, people, and I don't think I will find many "real" people in here to disagree with me; and I know that several of you who have posted in this thread know exactly what I am talking about through direct or indirect involvement in these kinds of scenarios....

 

[Kalamos]

Did your mama really raise you to think it's all about you?

Quite the opposite!
I take full personal credit for that.

😉

 

[RobAce]

Allow me to play a "gentle" devil's advocate for the other side

Here is my issue. It is about me. It is all about me. I spend my hard earned money and yes I do expect to get what I want. If you go to the theater and spend 10.00 on a movie and dislike it are you not going to tell your friends and others how awful it was. People will act like they should have been the director or the writer and tell it how it is.
The world of fetish clips is no different.
You put yourselves out there and you are going to get a fair amount of criticism be it right or wrong. Its just the way things are. I choose only to buy things that I have previewed well (and not some lame 30 second clip where the first 7 is the logo and the last 5 is fading out with the company logo leaving a whole 18 SECONDS of preview! WOW!! THANKS!!), and have good feedback.
Companies can 2 things. Listen to the constructive criticism (not the OMG that was the worst clip ever, she was fat and ugly) or not listen to it. People are going to vent, thats the way it works. No one is immune from it. I have many video companies I will not purchase from ever because of the way they offer previews, my personal sexual orientation, the way they treat their customers and lastly because they constantly rehash the same stuff over and over. Granted there is only so much that can be done but variations in the product do help from time to time.
Something I learned in marketing class along time ago was...
Either you sell for yourself, or you sell for others. Both can be successful, but only one will make you happy.
Some people are happy producing what they like, others just want money. And you can tell which companies are which.

Rob

 

[Horatio]

This thread reminds me of a line that Randall uttered in Clerks:

"This job would be great if it weren't for the fvcking customers" 😉

 

[BellaRisa]

Allow me to play a "gentle" devil's advocate for the other side

Here is my issue. It is about me. It is all about me. I spend my hard earned money and yes I do expect to get what I want. If you go to the theater and spend 10.00 on a movie and dislike it are you not going to tell your friends and others how awful it was. People will act like they should have been the director or the writer and tell it how it is.
The world of fetish clips is no different.
You put yourselves out there and you are going to get a fair amount of criticism be it right or wrong. Its just the way things are. I choose only to buy things that I have previewed well (and not some lame 30 second clip where the first 7 is the logo and the last 5 is fading out with the company logo leaving a whole 18 SECONDS of preview! WOW!! THANKS!!), and have good feedback.
Companies can 2 things. Listen to the constructive criticism (not the OMG that was the worst clip ever, she was fat and ugly) or not listen to it. People are going to vent, thats the way it works. No one is immune from it. I have many video companies I will not purchase from ever because of the way they offer previews, my personal sexual orientation, the way they treat their customers and lastly because they constantly rehash the same stuff over and over. Granted there is only so much that can be done but variations in the product do help from time to time.
Something I learned in marketing class along time ago was...
Either you sell for yourself, or you sell for others. Both can be successful, but only one will make you happy.
Some people are happy producing what they like, others just want money. And you can tell which companies are which.

Rob

Rob, I agree with you, completely. But what you're describing isn't really what I'm talking about, I don't think.

Producers fully expect criticism; even the nasty kind occasionally has something useful under the bile, no one gets into this (or any other) business without anticipating such. I don't mean that, that makes sense. I'm referring to the folks who don't want you producing anything but what they like. The ones who actually get annoyed when you post an underarm clip, clearly labeled as an underarm clip, because there were no feet in it. No critique of the camera usage or the model or the tickling, just frustration that the producer would dare post something not geared specifically to their tastes. You wouldn't do that, frankly you have too much sense. To me it's like going to a restaurant when you know it's steak night, and complaining that they shouldn't have made all that steak that night when you personally only eat chicken. Or telling a producer they should never ever use a male in a video for any reason, or ever have a nude 'lee, etc. As though no other tk-philes exist. My point isn't that people shouldn't criticize, it's that there's room for many different types of video :

Bella

 

[TickledToDeath]

I'd like to pose a question to video and clip fans:

You do realize that your fave type of clip isn't the only kind that people like, right? And that folks who aren't you deserve to see what they like just as much as you do?

I ask because of all the posts (and PM's and emails) I've read dedicated to complaining about what didn't happen in a particular clip or video. How come the 'ler or 'lee was a dude? Why didn't they tie her toes/why wasn't she wearing white socks/how come her underarms were even in the video when she has two perfectly good feet that should have been the entire focus??

In other words, why didn't you make the video exactly the way I like it??? Don't you care about your fans, who are all just like ME??? HUH?

All kidding aside, it constantly boggles my mind that so many posters seem to think that only their preferred style and genre of video be released, and the hell with other choices. Is it really that hard to fathom that the M/F video you don't want to watch will become a favorite for many female fans and males who enjoy the interplay between a man and a woman? Or that the F/M vid will be greatly appreciated by lots of non-you individuals?

Did your mama really raise you to think it's all about you?

Inquiring minds wanna know

/rant

Bella

Ahhhh Bella...your mini rant is justified.
Diversified tastes deserve to be satisfied and everyones' desires deserves to be pleasured. Not everyone likes beer so that does not mean all brew houses should be shut down and beer production stopped.
Same goes for tickle vids. Not everyone loves Feet so there are upper body tickling vids for those who want to see them. If you don't like those, don't buy them and so on and so on and so on yadda yadda etcetera etcetera blah blah blah...
and I am not agreeing with ya for any ulterior motivations.
(we'll discuss my fees and demands in PM😛

TTD

 

[johnttickle]

Ok, I think I know what you are talking about now. I am sorry if I look at everything at a sales angle. I am in the middle of a 30+page report on customer service, which I am free lancing for a local business. I read your post and jump right into the business agile of things.

Yea you’re right, if a customer went into a restaurant on steak night, knowing they are only serving steak; why would they complain about not getting chicken. The customer could come in and get chicken the next night, which is then chicken night. Also, all along the customer knew which night was steak night and which was chicken night. I think that’s what I hear you saying. I agree with you then. Sometimes people bitch just to bitch. Also I don’t understand why they have to bitch.

If I don’t like a certain video, then I don’t buy that one, simple. I will buy the one that fits what I like. I just wouldn’t go and bitch to the person that made it, that’s just not nice. I would wait till the producer came out with what I was looking for.

I also don’t expect everyone to like what I am into, that is what makes us all unique. I would hate to live in a world where everyone would like what I like and agree with everything I agree with. That would be a very boring world.

Good luck to you Bella Rosa, hopefully people will understand vareity better.
I notice you do have something for everyone, and variety is good!

Peace and love to all.
Aloha, John

 

[drew70]

Negative. What dear Bella is trying to say is that it gets annoying when people troll the treads about the clips, whining about things that didn't happen, when we try our best as producers to satisfy our audience.

Everyone wants something different and you can't please everybody, so there will always be someone who wants something other than what we produce.

Actually, I'm very well aware of what "dear Bella" is saying, and my comments still stand. She says she is open to criticism, but clearly this "mini-rant" indicates otherwise. You use the term "troll" and "whine," but the bottom line is that these are potential customers letting the producers know what they want and what they don't. To use Bella's analogy, if enough people complain about steak night, and not enough people give positive feedback, then perhaps it just might behoove the restaurant owner to reassess the value of "steak night" rather than bitch to his customers about the complaints filling up his suggestion box.

 

[lk70]

It's my opinion that people just forget they're not the only one on the planet and they sure as hell want to make sure you know what THEY want, even if other people want something else and even if 9 of your other videos show exactly what person one wants.

And, much to my dismay, I'm beginning to think that most people are not kind, thoughtful, considerate or nice in any way.

 

[BellaRisa]

Everyone wants something different and you can't please everybody, so there will always be someone who wants something other than what we produce.

Or (and this is usually the case), since most of us enjoy tickling in various ways we already did produce what they want, and if they're just a lil' patient there'll be a clip they like before they know it

Except for the guy who's still writing and asking me for the clip with 7 black midgets and me dressed as Snow White. Never say never, but somehow I don't think I'll ever meet his, um, needs...

Bella

 

[OscarTheMonkey]

Bravo Bella!

I am constantly amazed over the past 8 years I've been online how utterly unappreciative many people on all sorts of forums are.

I appreciate everyone who shares the work they have produced, or have found a great clip they want to share. I don't care if I don't like the clip, or have seen it 1000 times. I find it amazing that people are bitching.

To some extent, they must be people who only have been aware of their particular kink after the internet became common- for those of us who had to settle for most fetish materials( if we could find ANY) prior to this internet age- forums like this are a damned wonderland!

The same principle runs true when people post pics of themselves, their wives or GF's, in hopes of sharing some fun and sexy images that would be pleasing to other members of a community- and then finding that other posters want to make degrading, insulting comments because those photos don't exactly match their tastes.

I suspect that the problem is much larger than just fetish forums members- probably indicative of larger probelms with American society as a whole.

And personally Bella-I love all of your videos! I have no request for anything other than maybe a nice sole shot from you!!!

 

[johnttickle]

Yea Oscar, I am in my midforties, and I remember times before the internet.
Forums like this are awsome. I do thank god for TMF, posters of pics, and people like Bella Rosa. THANK YOU!!!

But I would like to see the seven dwarfs and Bella in a snow white outfit. LOL!!!
I have been cracking up since I read that Bella. That is one for the books.

Peace and love.
Aloha, John

 

[RobAce]

Rob, I agree with you, completely. But what you're describing isn't really what I'm talking about, I don't think.

OK, I think I understand....

I'm referring to the folks who don't want you producing anything but what they like. The ones who actually get annoyed when you post an underarm clip, clearly labeled as an underarm clip, because there were no feet in it.

I can understand the frustration of that. If something is marked as underarm why in the heck are they looking at it if they want to see feet.
Its not the fault of the producers if people can not read a labeled clip.

The flip side of this, is if you have people clamoring for a certain type of video, if there is enough of a base audience, why not give the people what they want instead of saying...stop whining at wait.
Of course the bonus/downside of this is more companies entering into an already overextended market and tapping into the areas where there seems to be a desire coming from the consumer. And while the glut of new companies (or old companies just now getting into the act) seem great, the material pales in comparison to what was being produced just 2 to 3 years ago.
It is not just the fault of the producers, but the consumers. They pay for it.
In most places the consumers drive the market, but it seems in fetish clips there tends to be a "they will buy what we give them" mentality...and honestly the strangest thing is that people are still buying the material.
If people honestly want producers to change the way they market, create or provide fetish videos there is only one real way to do it...and its not by going into a clip and saying (like the old Wendy's commercial).."Where's the feet!"
You simply do not respond. Do not view. Do not download the sample. Do not buy the clip. Any producer trying to make money will notice at their site that the feet clips are generating 10 times the amount of revenue of other clips or vice versa. It will not nor should it stop them from making other clips but if they begin to lose money and business goes elsewhere, changes will be made according to the laws of supply and demand.

Rob