Pro work: Tickling only.

[BellaRisa]

Regarding prostitution , a little wisdom from my man , George Carlin :


I do not understand why prostitution is illegal.

Why should prostitution be illegal?

Selling is legal , fucking is legal.

Why isn't selling fucking legal?

You know , why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?

I can't follow the logic on that at all.

Of all the things you can do to a person , giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world.

In the Army , they give you a medal for spraying Napalm on people.

Civilian life , you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm.

Maybe I'm not supposed to understand it.

QFTMFW

 

[solescratcher99]

Hmm, I'm not sure if you could do it strictly for tickling enthusiasts. You may have to do other services. Then again, this can be proven wrong in the right city with the right amount of clientele interested.

If I was a woman, I probably wouldn't do it. Then again, I'm a guy and I still wouldn't pay to tickle strangers. Its much more enjoyable to do it with a girlfriend or a friend with tickle benefits. Besides, I don't really obsess about tickling like most others and enjoy more than 'just' tickling. Tickling is more of an erotic past time that I find sensually thrilling rather than a sexual necessity.

Still, I can see the benefit of helping others by doing a service in the erotic industry. Some people really need some form of intimate contact with another person and I see it as a much more caring profession than a sexual one per se. It especially takes "big ones" considering all the stigma surrounding working in erotica in any way. But, what many people who stigmatize erotic services do not understand is that they are enabling opinions which allow policies to keep the most pleasurable and intimate human activities in the hands of a more privileged class while cruelly usurping them from those who wouldn't normally be able to experience them. This includes people such as the handicapped, physically deformed, those maimed by war, the socially isolated, etc.

 

[sasaxrah]

Agreed about prostitution. Legalize it, and police the assholes that make or allow underage kids to do it.

 

[LindyHopper]

Hmm... so many considerations!

Legally: If you avoid sexual contact, you are almost certainly in the clear, but check your local regulations.

Morally: Whatev. The reasonable folks on this thread have said it already.

Personally: This, I think, is the most interesting one. I do Footnights, and have worked as an exotic dancer. Selling these services does funny things to your view of men, and of these transactions. It's easy to get very cynical. The power dynamics can work both for or against you. And it is only sometimes intrinsically fun.

I have found that I prefer not to mix tickling, my personal fetish, with dancing or foot worship. When I'm catering to a client's interest, I can do so wholly, focusing on his enjoyment. When it's my fetish, I tend to be very picky, and you really shouldn't be that way on his dime. You might actually find that it's difficult to truly enjoy yourself and be a good service provider at the same time.

Practically: Stay safe. Consider working out of rented or shared spaces. I've only worked at tickling parties and a bikini bar, where there are bouncers and stuff. I've never tried to work alone, though I've had a friend offer to be my driver and muscle.

Also... it's really unlikely that you can make a living this way, just because you're catering to a really small clientele. I've always been glad not to be one of the girls trying to pay my rent through sex work. But as supplemental income, it's way easier and more fun than your average job. Good luck!

 

[Musicroxmysox]

I think it's a good idea.

Like Mils said obviously safety is the kicker. There would have to some kind of careful screening and organized safety system in place, otherwise I can't see this working at all.

Personally I do not feel like this is prostitution. No one is giving money to have sex. No sex (oral or penetration) is occurring. People are paying for a service they have an interest in but may not be able to fulfill.

If after the fact they need to take care of some of their own business due to the effect it may cause, that is there thing. But until someone is offering to do any specific sexual activity (oral, penetration, masturbation) or whatever, it is for the most part a simple transaction happening, much like going to get a massage.

 

[vladtickleman22]

Off topic, Baby and rhiannon just want to be as insulting to Crystal as possible. By saying that what she is offering is prostitution and thereby calling her a prostitute. So ignore the moronic childishness.

On topic. Sounds like a pretty good way to make money. The only suggestion i would have would be to enlist the assistance of one of the larger TMF guys as security. So as to disway anyone who might attempt to take advantage of the situation.

 

[Sandrock74]

hm.

I guess it's not a bad idea, in and of itself. For me personally thou, I wouldn't pay a woman to tickle her. That would make me feel...uncomfortable for a number of reasons. In my admittedly extremely low experiences with tickling, I prefer to know the girl, be it she a girlfriend, wife, friend, etc. Paying someone I don't know makes it seem too...uncomfortable (sorry I can't come up with a better word for it). I'd also be thinking that she's not really into it or that she thinks I'm a dork or something. Maybe that's just my own insecurities coming into play, who knows.

And just to throw it out there, no I don't consider it an act of prostitution.

There's my two cents.

 

[besttickler27]

This sounds like a pretty keen idea to me! Although i wish that if Jo does decide to do it, she might consider offering both her being a ler or a lee options.

 

[CrystalLight]

Okay; sorry, I was at work. There's a lot here I'd like to speak to, so my next post might be uber long. Apologies ahead of time for length..

 

[Marquis De Sade]

I think it's very patronising to laugh at some of the posts in the personals section.

So you do the exact same thing here:

You are ok. You are an average- to above-average-looking girl

This:

Off topic, Baby and rhiannon just want to be as insulting to Crystal as possible. By saying that what she is offering is prostitution and thereby calling her a prostitute.

Explains this:

The men on this forum are outnumbered, and sure they all come here and act sociable and get something in return from the very promiscuous females of the forum, but some men don't want to queue up for a girl they wouldn't look at twice if they met her in the streets just because she happens to be on this forum and available for whoring herself out as a ticklee or a tickler.

Which has nothing to do with the OP.

I personally think there is a demand for any woman on the TMF to prostitute herself as a tickler or ticklee for money.

Congrats.

I don't think it achieves a great deal for society, but if it makes that person happy, why not go for it?

I personally don't think you achieve a great deal for society but if being a complete and utter douchebag makes you happy, why not contin...oh wait.

You probably will.

And, might I also point out this:

Or not even just me, but someone who is as enthusiastic about the interest as the person seeking the service.

Bolded for those who cum in their pants after five seconds at the mere thought of getting any kind of play and for those who jump at every chance they get, even if they have to make one up, to insult someone they don't like when it's so much easier for you and those involved to just fucking ignore them.

I love for you to open up the fairness of the playing field and post a picture of yourself Babyshambles. That way, we can pick apart your looks piece by piece.

In fact, right now, nothing would make me happier.

 

[CrystalLight]

Before I get into this-- I just want to thank everyone for their replies and thoughts. It's been incredibly interesting.

However, I think many folks seem to be taking this whole Prostitution concept a bit too seriously then it's intention. Society has taught and mostly shown us that Prostitution is mostly drugged out whores scouring street corners looking to blow.. for blow.

We seem to forget about the Pro Domme's and Dungeons (as few have mentioned) that offer services of a non-sexual caliber, despite the sexual feelings they MAY CAUSE.

Prostitution is the act of engaging in SEXUAL INTERCOURSE for money.

We're all aware of what Sexual Intercourse is. It's fucking, knocking boots, plowing, ect. Sexual Intercourse is NOT tickling.

So tickling is not an act of Prostitution. If that was a true case, then we'd all be prostitutes for the most part, eh? Making money for tickling? Not prostitution. If that was the case then Producers of Tickling Videos are prostitutes and there should be some war waging on them.

And to the off topic comments about my post count?: Shut the fuck up. It's 18 fucking posts.

is it ok to exploit a persons fetish for the simple act of making money?

if i go to a prostitute and say "here is my money, i want to tickle you for my sexual satisfaction" she says yes, we have a good time we part ways and transaction done.

but if said prostitute comes up to me knowing of my fetish and using it to her advantage as far as money goes, then i see that as exploiting me. if i can pay her 100 dollars then annouce i want to tickle her is one thing. if she knows my fetish she could easily charge doubble and play upon my desires to get even more.

thats what this thread sounds like to me. CrystalLight knows of the nieche that needs to be filled. men or women wanting to be tickled or be able to tickle a pretty girl. so lets get the maximum ammount of money for the services i render.

Everything you said here would be valid in a scenario that includes someone looking to fuck someone over. Yes, I'm sure there are plenty of them out there, does that pertain to me? No. You're drawing assumptions of my personality based on zero fact.

If you were making this a general statement? It'd have potential to hold weight. Because you used myself as a direct example of aforementioned assumption, it's horridly false. Because I know myself, and you don't.

Let's be realistic here.....a guy who comes to her to let her tickle him will most likely get sexually aroused by it. I seriously doubt anybody would pay for it if that is not the case.

If he gets sexually aroused by it, then it may not be sex, but it is at least sexual!

Sure. But that doesn't matter, nor does it make it Prostitution.

I've played with a few guys before who've gotten sexually aroused. That didn't make me a prostitute. It just made me a decent 'Ler.

It is sexual. And her clientèle would see it as a sexual service.

Yes tickling *CAN* be sexual. That doesn't make it entirely sexual. And that doesn't mean that sex is going to come just because the client becomes aroused. That's what rules and regulations are for, sillybean.

Even the fact that crystal has said she will only tickle males she is attracted to (reading between the lines) means that even she considers it sexual. #

lawl. If I held up my hand, would you read between the lines? Think about it. You'll get it.

Crystal,

You will find a great deal of demand. In your original post, you described me perfectly. I am happily married, but my wife is not very understanding of alternative lifestyles, so I am effectively closeted. I am 40, having married before I discovered the Internet tickling world and the large number of (younger) people who are comfortable being out. I considered myself an absolute freak growing up and struggled to "overcome" this. Were I to be young again, I might do things differently, but I have commitments now and, except for this one aspect, am very happy with my personal situation.

I also work in an occupation where professional image is very important, so attending gatherings is out of the question.

So I have resorted to posting ads and paying lees. They are strictly about tickling, and strictly transactional. I don't consider it cheating (although I do understand why many readers might think otherwise). To me, I've simply compartmentalized this aspect of my life from all the rest.

I would love to work with someone like you who actually enjoys it and "gets" it, as opposed to the typical ad respondent, who is often in desperate need of cash.

You will indeed be making good money (I generally pay $150 per session) and providing a valuable service to many, many more people like me.

I really hope that every nay-sayer read this post and promptly bit their tongue. Thank you for this post, as it spoke directly to the issue being blown out and you brought your own experience with it to the table.

Babe, I would be very worried for your safety. I think that's the first thing I thought of when I read your post.

In terms of the idea itself, it seems logical. You provide a product and get paid for it. As long as you stay away from any sexual act (sex, oral, handjobs, what have you...as I'm sure you entirely will), I think you'll be right with the law.

I would definitely think it over though. Is this the type of thing you want to be known for in profession, are you willing to deal with undesirable attitudes towards you (sort of like now, but right now you have to do it for free!), will you be accommodating to their wants and needs and preferences...?

I suppose as an act of testing you could start quite small with 1 or 2 trusted clients and see how you feel about the situation. Go from there, then.

Agreed. Yes, safety would need to be taken into consideration..*

Entering a "lifestyle" like that would involve developing or honing a personality and mindset that is able to figure people out and what they are into within a short period of time. It's like playing super sleuth. It's difficult and it won't be perfect everytime, but the experience would happen and the clientèle would build albeit slowly.


* Remember: I'm trying to hold this as a current hypothetical topic. I've no immediate interest in running out and starting this. I understand the need to be safe and do this safe, but I've no plans to do it tomorrow-- or possibly even next year.

I find it weird that people on a Tickling Media Forum would actually be arguing AGAINST this idea.

It's odd also, because if some folks took the time to view some posts in Personals, they'd see folks who've offered to pay to have the experience.

All good points. What occurs to me is that if you keep this service strictly within the community (i.e. The TMF) your client's should be of the right calibre so to speak. However if you start advertising outside of it, you will open a Pandoras box of clients seeking all sorts of sexual and other fetish services.

Advertising outside of the TMF would bring the potential of more money, though.

(Which leads me to a brief thought; a lot of us view tickling as intimate and personal. You need to take into consideration those folks who can switch between the two and/or those who don't view tickling intimately.)

The issue I have with additional services (including, but not limited to: flogging, spanking, Domination, caning, knife play, etc), is that it's a completely different mentality that I'd have to adopt.

I'm predominately a 'Lee, so the idea of practicing as a strict 'Ler is something new, however, having to adopt a Domme like personality is ten million times different to me. I'd have a hard time doing that.

That is what commercial dungeons offer Pro Dommes, a large, capable bouncer who will be in the play room in seconds if she screams the dungeon's distress word indicating a dangerous client. And that is why independent Dommes are very careful, screening new clients before accepting them. (Not that mistakes in judgment are unknown.)



Jo, send me an email at [email protected] if you want more information.

Blimey, Milagros. Thank you for the information.

I've never entertained an idea of having anything at my private home. Especially being that I'm a mother of a young child. It would end up being a travel-only situation.

Working in a Dungeon, including with all that you outlined would not be what I'd desire to do. I'd work independently.

I'll e-mail if I come up with more questions. Thank you.

Regarding prostitution , a little wisdom from my man , George Carlin :


I do not understand why prostitution is illegal.

Why should prostitution be illegal?

Selling is legal , fucking is legal.

Why isn't selling fucking legal?

You know , why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?

I can't follow the logic on that at all.

Of all the things you can do to a person , giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world.

In the Army , they give you a medal for spraying Napalm on people.

Civilian life , you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm.

Maybe I'm not supposed to understand it.

I love Carlin, he was always right on the fucking target.

Hmm, I'm not sure if you could do it strictly for tickling enthusiasts. You may have to do other services. Then again, this can be proven wrong in the right city with the right amount of clientèle interested.

Absolutely. We have over 80,000 members here alone. That's not counting those at other forums as well as those still closeted. It wouldn't be a full-time job, mind you. So a heavy client base wouldn't necessarily be needed.

 

[meangry]

I'm sorry, but I'm not about to pay someone to get a fix of something I can very easily get for free. I'll be honest also and say I do not understand spending scratch for something like this. That money could be used for a multitude of more useful things (it could even be used for a decent vacation, come to think of it).

I enjoy tickling a lot, don't get me wrong. It's a spike in my psychological thought process when it comes to turn ons, for some reason. But I don't think this is a good idea. Those dom houses have security in place to deal with issues. What are you going to do with someone if they say "I love you" and try and take things too far? What about the appearance of given person playing a factor? Do they have to send a portfolio with cash for the right?

Others might tell you this is a good to great idea, but it isn't.

Also, correlating teachers and doctors with a call-in tickler/lee? Like, seriously? The boulders some people sleep under.

 

[Musicroxmysox]

Also, correlating teachers and doctors with a call-in tickler/lee? Like, seriously? The boulders some people sleep under.

At it's base level a doctor offers help to a patient.

A teacher offers knowledge to a student.

A Ler offers tickling to a Lee.

Idk doesn't seemed so far fetched a comparison. Each is offering something to someone that seeks it.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

I'm sorry, but I'm not about to pay someone to get a fix of something I can very easily get for free. I'll be honest also and say I do not understand spending scratch for something like this. That money could be used for a multitude of more useful things (it could even be used for a decent vacation, come to think of it).

People can very easily get massages for free , yet spa resorts & independent massage therapists do quite well in charging others for their services.


For this next part , I took the liberty of "tweaking" your quote a bit , meangry. The three words I changed are in the bigger , bolder font. Hopefully , it'll better illustrate the silliness of some people's concerns about this whole matter.

My intent was not to butcher what you said or to call you out in any way , but to prove a point :

I enjoy massaging a lot, don't get me wrong. It's a spike in my psychological thought process when it comes to turn ons, for some reason. But I don't think this is a good idea. Those spa resorts have security in place to deal with issues. What are you going to do with someone if they say "I love you" and try and take things too far? What about the appearance of given person playing a factor? Do they have to send a portfolio with cash for the right?

Others might tell you this is a good to great idea, but it isn't.

Also, correlating teachers and doctors with a call-in masseuse? Like, seriously? The boulders some people sleep under.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Crystal, I'm sure there'd be demand for it. I don't see you making it a full time job, but you could pull some cash for sure. Now if you wanted to be a lee-for-hire, there's the moneymaker (though obviously, way higher danger factor).

RE it being a business: I don't know about the laws where you live, but up here getting a business license for a sole proprietorship (it means that your money and "your business's" money are the same thing) is as easy as filling out a form online. Or just charge cash and there'd never be an issue.

RE the sexuality and prostitution: anyone who paid you for this would be doing it to satisfy a sexual urge; you shouldn't have any illusions there. Would that make you a prostitute? I don't know, probably. Who cares?

I'm seriously facepalming over how people in this thread are simultaneously expanding the definition of prostitution and yet characterising it only by the sketchy streetwalker image. Logic lesson:

A doctor is a professional.
A lawyer is a professional.
A doctor is not a lawyer.

Sex worker illicitly exchanging intercourse for money == prostitute
Person gratifying other sex urges for money == prostitute
Person gratifying other sex urges for money =/= sex worker illicitly exchanging intercourse for money.

Doing this would make Crystal as much a prostitute as a person who gets paid to tickle people is a prostitute. It would not make her a lady of the night, ducking cops and feeding pimps.

Not that I'm even willing to defend the "lady of the night" stereotypes and stigmas. These are the truthiest statements in this thread so far:

tickling and spanking videos in exhange for money I'm a prostitute as well. The question is how much one cares about such a pitifully outdated stigma.

As for whether or not it's prostitution, the better question is why sexual work is still an issue in 2009.

 

[meangry]

At it's base level a doctor offers help to a patient.

A teacher offers knowledge to a student.

A Ler offers tickling to a Lee.

Idk doesn't seemed so far fetched a comparison. Each is offering something to someone that seeks it.

Explain to me how you become certified in becoming a tickler, yeah?

 

[wishful1234]

I'd do it if I were a woman. (I'd be a dominatrix in a heart beat if I could even PASS for female) Screw it, I'd tickle people for money as a man, if there was a demand (and I checked the laws first)

And I'd consider paying to be tickled; especially if the "non-sex" rule was in place, I'd feel more comfortable that way.

One idea (haven't read all the above posts yet, so someone mighta thought of this already) have a "bouncer" in the next room in case things get out of hand. Maybe have a code phrase to summon him in....

 

[meangry]

People can very easily get massages for free , yet spa resorts & independent massage therapists do quite well in charging others for their services.


For this next part , I took the liberty of "tweaking" your quote a bit , meangry. The three words I changed are in the bigger , bolder font. Hopefully , it'll better illustrate the silliness of some people's concerns about this whole matter.

My intent was not to butcher what you said or to call you out in any way , but to prove a point :

You are replacing words to try and substantiate your view. Which is fine. I am sure someone could place terms involving Islamic fascism and it would work too. Ad-libbing works that way.

 

[solescratcher99]

Let's not confuse performing services with the risks involved. For example, if someone is murdered in the porn industry, that says a lot more about the dangers of murder than of pornography. True, measures have to be taken to avoid dangerous things but that is the way it is with many jobs.

Those dom houses have security in place to deal with issues. What are you going to do with someone if they say "I love you" and try and take things too far? What about the appearance of given person playing a factor?

That says a lot more about individuals who become attached to a particular person than it does about dom houses. All professions have risks. In the field I'm training for (psychology), we have TONS of these transference issues to take into consideration. But, no one ever says that counseling is a "bad idea" solely on the basis that there are risks involved.

On the other hand, if you're saying that there is a risk because she doesn't get involved with these businesses which have security measures, then that can be easily taken care of. All she has to do is ask questions to someone in the particular industry she's looking to get into and I'm sure they'll be willing to tell her all the precautions which are needed.

Also, about the appearance of a person. I'm not sure whether you're saying yea or nay to personal appearance playing a factor, but I'd like to assume that (besides basic hygiene) it doesn't play a factor. Even if it does, so what? People do these things all the time. Its the way the world is at times and until people accept that they're going to be angry about everything they perceive as an appearance related issue.

 

[Musicroxmysox]

Explain to me how you become certified in becoming a tickler, yeah?

No one said anything about certification.

Furthermore:

You can take care of someone if your not a doctor (what do parents do.)

You can teach people and not be an actual teacher.


There aren't certificates for every kind of job out there. And for your information, I am a teacher, and I still think this idea is interesting for what it's worth. There might not be a certificate for tickling, but sure as hell some people are better at it then others. There is nothing worse then a bad ler.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

Explain to me how you become certified in becoming a tickler, yeah?

Everything has to start from somewhere. I'm sure there were people like you who probably scoffed when the idea to give someone a license to rub your body was first introduced.

Why is what CrystalLight proposing any different than that?

You are replacing words to try and substantiate your view. Which is fine. I am sure someone could place terms involving Islamic fascism and it would work too. Ad-libbing works that way.

I thought is was a fairly simple ( & effective ) way of illustrating to you ( & others ) that this whole idea isn't as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

*sigh* But whatev , I tried.

 

[BellaRisa]

I thought it was a fairly simple ( & effective ) way of illustrating to you ( & others ) that this whole idea isn't as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

*sigh* But whatev , I tried.

You not only tried, you did very well. Anyone with common sense understood your point perfectly

I keep reading the insinuation that only jobs that require certification are 'real' jobs. That's just ridiculous, if you spend quality time honing your craft and deliver a fine service that's in demand you often don't need to be 'certified'; hell, the gentleman that repaired my oven just this afternoon isn't certified and never went to school for what he does; he's just been doing it for 31 yrs after learning the all-around handyman business from his father, and now he employs 5 other men that he's trained himself over the years. His service is excellent, his prices more than fair, he's put two children through college from his small business...but he's not 'certified' so I suppose his career is worthless. Or are we only applying such cretin rules to sexual/adult services?

 

[Laugh&Beg]

*shields face from torrent of discussion, plunges through*

Allow me to sidestep all of the moral implications of whether or not tickling as a service is okay, since it seems to have been beaten to death: my only comment is that the argument seems quite akin to the issue people tend to have with tickling in general: is it deviant? Is it okay between adults? Is it socially okay?

Who cares. Morality has never been the high point of humanity, for all our efforts.

I am much more concerned that one of the most beautiful women in the world (and I feel okay saying that since I have said so in a PM in the past) who is by all rights the perfect ticklee in every regard, is only offering to LER in this proposed and hypothetical service:

*aghast expression, horrified to my core*

I know that I would gladly serve my remaining 11 years to retirement with Uncle Sam and never see another promotion for an hour of tickling with CrystalLight (er... you... since this is a reply to your thread), and so while there may be good money in the art of a beautiful woman tickling a man, there IS money is a girl willing to be tickled (with no sexual strings attached aside from the arousal that tickling causes some-most-of us. I have tried unsuccessfully to get to NEST 3 years in a row in the hopes of catching a random glimpse of CrystalLight being tickled even in passing, much less a proper and explorative torment.

So in answer, regardless of those who would be hypocritical enough to impose moral judgement on tickling-for-pay after dealing with their own issues of morality about a fetish that so many of us have dealt with in our own special way... yes, Crystal. Ler for pay. Please consider extending it to Lee work as well.

 

[Bohemianne]

I have to admit that I, too, would consider tickling for money a form of prostitution. But seriously, what's so bad about it.

I don't consider it "prostitution" as far as Crystal's post is concerned, but the job is skirting the "edge," very vulnerable and in the brink of it.

At times, a really RICH client can change even the definition of any profession (legit or not). And a truly rich client CAN pay...

I believe anyone can be tough for anything and this job will deal with different clients.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

You not only tried, you did very well. Anyone with common sense understood your point perfectly

Thanks , pretty lady ... I always knew you were chock full o' common sense.