the state of the current tickling industry

[COOLCAT88]

I never understood why people would pay money for a tickling video, then turn around and upload it to the internet..

 

[FeatherEndeavor]

I never understood why people would pay money for a tickling video, then turn around and upload it to the internet..

I think some people do it to gain online friends in the fetish community. Trying to get people to like them and gain views for their channel by offering something for free so people don't have to pay. Kinda like they're constantly giving presents. But of course that effects the state of the industry because the more material is being offered for free the less incentive producers have to think of new creative material. Don't get me wrong I think most producers work their asses off but it's harder to put your heart into it when you know it's just gonna get pirated anyway.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

tickleabuse doesn't complain

Tickle Abuse complains constantly, you stupid fuck. Holy shit how many times in this thread alone have I said "Hey you guys know you have driven people out of this business for life because you can't keep the shit off of PornHub right?", and then you made it a case of "Well they should have expected it to happen, it's the internet!".

Christ you're just making up arguments, and when nobodys addressing them pointing to it like you've outsmarted anyone. "Well hey I mean if you ain't a'sellin maybe you just suck!". You want to know about more about the people I hate? It's almost entirely mouthbreathing jerkoffs like you trying to help anybody do anything with these "expert opinions" and blithering like idiots.

 

[Phineas]

So, let's see. We have a thread that opened with some dude trash-talking producers who later admits he not only hasn't heard of a lot of them, but neither knows how to search for the videos he likes nor actually buys from the producers he claims he does. We also have endless arguing about piracy, with some know-nothings insisting that solutions so brainless that producers would have to be idiots not to have tried them are the cure to all their ills, while both justifying piracy and contradicting themselves in the same argument.

This thread is definitely indicative of the current state of the tickling industry... although maybe not in the way the OP intended.

 

[weezl]

So, let's see. We have a thread that opened with some dude trash-talking producers who later admits he not only hasn't heard of a lot of them, but neither knows how to search for the videos he likes nor actually buys from the producers he claims he does. We also have endless arguing about piracy, with some know-nothings insisting that solutions so brainless that producers would have to be idiots not to have tried them are the cure to all their ills, while both justifying piracy and contradicting themselves in the same argument.

This thread is definitely indicative of the current state of the tickling industry... although maybe not in the way the OP intended.

Hey buddy, You're the type of person that likes to argue for arguments sake. The only thing I admitted was that I haven't gone directly to clips4sale.com and browsed through all the stores. And when I admitted I was wrong to create this thread, I changed the subject to something a bit more serious that needs to be addressed. Aren't grown ups supposed to admit when they are wrong? Jesus Christ, you act like you have a grudge against me or something; which shows the level of maturity that you actually don't possess.

In any event. I've actually helped Tickle Abuse out a lot with removing a shit load of videos from pornhub and I will continue to do so.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Hey buddy, You're the type of person that likes to argue for arguments sake. The only thing I admitted was that I haven't gone directly to clips4sale.com and browsed through all the stores. And when I admitted I was wrong to create this thread, I changed the subject to something a bit more serious that needs to be addressed. Aren't grown ups supposed to admit when they are wrong? Jesus Christ, you act like you have a grudge against me or something; which shows the level of maturity that you actually don't possess.

In any event. I've actually helped Tickle Abuse out a lot with removing a shit load of videos from pornhub and I will continue to do so.

Could be wrong, but I don't think he's talking about you.

 

[Phineas]

The only thing I admitted was that I haven't gone directly to clips4sale.com and browsed through all the stores.

You also ignored Sole Mates when he asked you directly for feedback multiple times, and again when he offered to give you a free clip for it, also multiple times.

Could be wrong, but I don't think he's talking about you.

I'm talkin' bout ALL Y'ALL.

One thing I agree with the Duderino on, is it's stupid for a vendor to expect that their stuff is going to stay on the pages they post it on, and if you assure a model that this is gonna happen... you deserve a disapproving look. Issue takedown notices, watermark your stuff, blur faces, use stage names... just don't expect it to stay where you put it. That's not how the Internet works.

 

[weezl]

You also ignored Sole Mates when he asked you directly for feedback multiple times, and again when he offered to give you a free clip for it, also multiple times.

I apologize if I offended you, sir, I didn't realize this subject meant so much to you that you felt like you had to bitch about it.

 

[SoleMates]

I apologize if I offended you, sir, I didn't realize this subject meant so much to you that you felt like you had to bitch about it.

I know, sucks having your hypocrisy pointed out to you. Fact is if is several producers hasn't pushed back you'd have gone on raging yourself. Yknow, as the guy so offended by the industry he felt the need to start a thread calling it "garbage".

I've also mentioned multiple times how I have no problem finding those "girls next door" you seem to think are being scared away from the industry in droves, but I guess it's only a problem when it affects Tickle Abuse.

 

[weezl]

I know, sucks having your hypocrisy pointed out to you. Fact is if is several producers hasn't pushed back you'd have gone on raging yourself. Yknow, as the guy so offended by the industry he felt the need to start a thread calling it "garbage".

I've also mentioned multiple times how I have no problem finding those "girls next door" you seem to think are being scared away from the industry in droves, but I guess it's only a problem when it affects Tickle Abuse.

It's also difficult and annoying dealing with people who like to shove dramatic bullshit in other peoples faces, even after they apologized for bringing it up in the first place. What, you want to admit that I'm not a saint? That I am a piece of shit human being and should be burned at the stake? Why don't you put a gun to my head and kill me, since this pisses you off so much. Is business that bad for you? I've also emailed 3 different producers offering assistance in getting their clips removed from porn hub, and they all politely declined my offer.

 

[COOLCAT88]

How about those Cowboys?

 

[SoleMates]

It's also difficult and annoying dealing with people who like to shove dramatic bullshit in other peoples faces, even after they apologized for bringing it up in the first place. What, you want to admit that I'm not a saint? That I am a piece of shit human being and should be burned at the stake? Why don't you put a gun to my head and kill me, since this pisses you off so much. Is business that bad for you? I've also emailed 3 different producers offering assistance in getting their clips removed from porn hub, and they all politely declined my offer.

What I'd like is for you to stop raging like a tard and answer the questions I've asked you. But at this point I think I know them; you've never been a customer of mine, which is why you're flipping out every time we bring it up. And the reason I'm still hammering away on that point is because you are a textbook case of what's frustrating about this business; you throw all of us under a bus and insult our work, and then admit you actually like some of it... but you don't actually buy the stuff you like unless it's from the same studio everyone else is obsessed with, and then you wonder why everyone plays follow the leader.

Yes, I'm annoyed. Not because business is bad but if even half the people who come here or send me messages on Instagram telling me they love my studio actually BOUGHT MY SHIT I would be able to reinvest and maybe spend some of that money experimenting with the kinds of videos none of you have ever seen before. Did you know I have at least three scripts of the same depth and visual complexity as the Sci-fi fiction MTJ Publishing is doing but I can't justify the expense of producing it?

You don't wanna do business, fine, but you started this thread telling us to "get our shit together" and then snowed the one producer who was willing to listen in spite of your combative tone. Fact is, y'all don't care about "producers". You care about the top dogs and the rest of us can go hang, apparently. And you wonder why we don't bother with your "feedback".

 

[Radiohead 7140]

LIO brought us kendra, for that alone I cannot grieve the modern industry. Although downloading the new compilation clip right now is taking too damn long!

 

[Uktickler]

That would seem to be a simple solution, however it would actually lead to a lot more back and forth/negotiating. The price is much more dependent upon what specifically is being asked for. 1 scene, stationary camera? 2 models vs 1? Multple or a single lee? Actual script with specific lines/outfits? Quick example, one customer wanted a model tickled in for separate scenes. Well instead of charging him a rate 4x, I gave him two 2 for 1 deals.

I suppose in your scenario you could say a model would be missing out, but from her perspective, it'd be the same as any other gig she passes on due to low compensation.

I do totally see where you are coming from. Although I do firmly believe where there is a will there is a way. But I do no profess to know exactly the best way to do it.

I stopped bothering with the 10sec preview on C4S because it really didn't give an indication of the clip. Of course virtually all clips I've produced have previews on this site in the video section. As I mentioned in an earlier post, my clipstore activity is practically identical now to when I used to have previews plastered on several forums, youtube, my facebook, etc.

I do agree 10sec preview clips are pretty useless, but they are better than non at all. But if you wanted to you coudl embed decent length previews into your clips4sale store which is what shynwild already do. The ONLY thing I don't like about that store is the random ordering of clips of multiple different formats meaning I often have to scroll a long way to get to see something I have not seen 5 times before (just in different res or format). I wish he would just have all his HD clips on one store an no other formats so I could check them all out faster. He does do a gerat purchase offer on that site so when I do order I always buy a large number of clips and spend $60+ per purchase which gets me great value and I am sure works well for him too.

 

[lioclips]

LIO brought us kendra, for that alone I cannot grieve the modern industry. Although downloading the new compilation clip right now is taking too damn long!

Agreed, she has been a treasure!! Sorry about the download time. And to think, I was actually going to do a compilation of ALL of her material, which would have made it twice as long. As it is I had to downgrade the second compilation to only 720, because 1080 was too large for clips4sale....but I digress lol Thanks for the support. Hopefully it's finished downloading by now hehe.

I do totally see where you are coming from. Although I do firmly believe where there is a will there is a way. But I do no profess to know exactly the best way to do it.

And thus the impasse: there's no will when the extra effort required doesn't bear any fruit.

I do agree 10sec preview clips are pretty useless, but they are better than non at all. But if you wanted to you coudl embed decent length previews into your clips4sale store which is what shynwild already do. The ONLY thing I don't like about that store is the random ordering of clips of multiple different formats meaning I often have to scroll a long way to get to see something I have not seen 5 times before (just in different res or format). I wish he would just have all his HD clips on one store an no other formats so I could check them all out faster. He does do a gerat purchase offer on that site so when I do order I always buy a large number of clips and spend $60+ per purchase which gets me great value and I am sure works well for him too.

Actually, I don't know how he embeds those into the store, so I couldn't. Again though, the existence of long preview clips is irrelevant, as I can provide years' worth of data showing my sales remaining the same pre and post preview clip prevalence. So even if I did learn, I wouldn't spend the time doing so. It also doesn't seem to negatively impact any of the other top stores who don't provide previews. Agreed though, S&W is pretty awesome - personally don't know how he does the things he does with only 24 hours in a day! Mind you, I did mention all of my clip previews are available here in the video section.