Wheres All The Real Tickle Torture?

[Babbles]

Actually that is *also the point.

Personally I don't care how the video is obtained with consent or without, nor is it my business... I just know that I love to see a extremely ticklish female being tickled without mercy. I love the sounds the expressions and the memory of seeing it live.

I also can remember being jumped by girls as a child held down and being tickled way past my limits.

It helped me to love tickling so much that to me it's one of the best parts of being on earth.

Dandy Jack

Why assume that the tickling experience is all bad. Maybe for some it is. However I thought that we were talking about seeing a video of someone being tickle tortured.

It's the video I want to see... if i stipulate to all of your comments... then the bottom line is i want to see and pay for videos that have models, or real people really in tickle hell. It is my choice of what I would like to see.

I don't have to know how a video is made to pay and view it. I assume that people are not breaking any laws when making them.

Most of the comments about people being abused is not what I am addressing. That is the subject for another tread.

Dandy Jack

I'm responding to the topic -- just what you mentioned, "tickle torture."

And the statement you made previously that "you don't care" whether you're viewing real distress as opposed to someone willing.

When you're discussing "pure tickle hell," "brutal tickle torture... without mercy..." there DOES need to be a statement clarifying you're not looking for "abuse,"
and you do finally separate that later --
But don't write that you don't care and then wonder why someone like me protests.

This thread began with a request for REAL tickle torture,
which is written as a literal request similar to what you refer to,
which has been argued from both sides in terms of
(whether that literal abuse was what was asked for)

and several responses towards the beginning especially seemed to support that request, literally, disturbingly.

so when you write of "no mercy, women tickled brutally, hell," (earlier post) and "not caring,"
and having personally enjoyed having your "limits" ignored against your will,

it's perfectly reasonable for me to respond with the statement
that we DO NEED to be careful with what we ask for,
with what's produced,
or how models are treated; that they're NOT subject to literal abuse,
and that if they are, that's not acceptable

All I said otherwise was -- if the model REALLY knows what s/he is in for,
fully informed, safeguarded & willing, THEN that request is valid.

We need to be careful and responsible with these requests.

 

[Dandy Jack]

For the Crusaders

I'm responding to the topic -- just what you mentioned, "tickle torture."

And the statement you made previously that "you don't care" whether you're viewing real distress as opposed to someone willing.

When you're discussing "pure tickle hell," "brutal tickle torture... without mercy..." there DOES need to be a statement clarifying you're not looking for "abuse,"
and you do finally separate that later --
But don't write that you don't care and then wonder why someone like me protests.

This thread began with a request for REAL tickle torture,
which is written as a literal request similar to what you refer to,
which has been argued from both sides in terms of
(whether that literal abuse was what was asked for)

and several responses towards the beginning especially seemed to support



that request, literally, disturbingly.



I just want to see the video... I am not concerned about how they make it. I want to see the result. I imagine that to get real tickle torture on camera that makers can't please everyone.

As I stated I assume that when the videos are made that no laws are broken.

so when you write of "no mercy, women tickled brutally, hell," (earlier post) and "not caring,"
and having personally enjoyed having your "limits" ignored against your will,

it's perfectly reasonable for me to respond with the statement
that we DO NEED to be careful with what we ask for,
with what's produced,
or how models are treated; that they're NOT subject to literal abuse,
and that if they are, that's not acceptable

All I said otherwise was -- if the model REALLY knows what s/he is in for,
fully informed, safeguarded & willing, THEN that request is valid.

We need to be careful and responsible with these requests.

out there....

I just want to see some good footage of a woman in pure tickle hell... being tickled without mercy.... I am not concerned about how they make it. I want to see the result. I imagine that to get real tickle torture on camera that the makers can't please everyone.

Maybe I'm less in tune with everyone's thoughts... my opinion is I am not concerned about all of the issues that are being raised. I really don't care.

I'm just tired of the many fake videos that are sold and are on the market. I wonder what the problem is.... God forbid that we should all have to have the same thoughts and all have to think alike.

Do I or do I not have the right to disagree and have the right to my opinion.

Some of you sound like you were raised by a pack of therapists.

I don't make the videos... I just buy and watch them.

Dandy Jack

 

[jkb]

Oh my god, I can't believe this argument is still going on.

You know what? I'm just going to take Dandy Jack's argument about 2 or 3 steps further and just run with it from there:

I don't care. IdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcare. No one cares. We got it. Assault=Bad. We got it. Fifty different tirades on the evils of non-consensual tickling isn't going to change that. However, I don't care. I don't care about anything. I just kicked a puppy and I don't care. OK?

 

[skelyrata]

Ah?

Oh my god, I can't believe this argument is still going on.

You know what? I'm just going to take Dandy Jack's argument about 2 or 3 steps further and just run with it from there:

I don't care. IdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcare. No one cares. We got it. Assault=Bad. We got it. Fifty different tirades on the evils of non-consensual tickling isn't going to change that. However, I don't care. I don't care about anything. I just kicked a puppy and I don't care. OK?

I don't understand. What do you mean?

 

[Dandy Jack]

I stated earlier

Oh my god, I can't believe this argument is still going on.

You know what? I'm just going to take Dandy Jack's argument about 2 or 3 steps further and just run with it from there:

I don't care. IdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcareIdontcare. No one cares. We got it. Assault=Bad. We got it. Fifty different tirades on the evils of non-consensual tickling isn't going to change that. However, I don't care. I don't care about anything. I just kicked a puppy and I don't care. OK?

that I assume there would be no laws broken that everyone would know what that means.
I did not say... man I surely hope that someone will be abused to get me the video I want to see.

So no, I did not say kick the puppy or abuse the tickle victim.

Can I just see better examples of women tickled in such a way that it looks like they are in tickle hell.

Don't assume either that if someone is in tickle hell that they have to be abused. That false assumption on the part of some who have responded to this tread is what I think the problem is.

I don't care is just a part of my attitude about these assumptions.

I'm sure that a company like French Tickling and many others can do it without abusing anyone.

Therefore you can save your weak example of kicking puppies to prove your point.

Remember there is no law against not caring, having a bad attitude or not going with the crowd.

Diversity of ideas and various thoughts should be the goal here.

I have a legal background, so therefore I am pleased to argue against popular opinion to make my point.

Dandy Jack

 

[Babbles]

Alright jkb, so quit PEEKING already...

that I assume there would be no laws broken that everyone would know what that means.
I did not say... man I surely hope that someone will be abused to get me the video I want to see.

So no, I did not say kick the puppy or abuse the tickle victim.

Can I just see better examples of women tickled in such a way that it looks like they are in tickle hell.

Don't assume either that if someone is in tickle hell that they have to be abused. That false assumption on the part of some who have responded to this tread is what I think the problem is.

I don't care is just a part of my attitude about these assumptions.

I'm sure that a company like French Tickling and many others can do it without abusing anyone.

Therefore you can save your weak example of kicking puppies to prove your point.

Remember there is no law against not caring, having a bad attitude or not going with the crowd.

Diversity of ideas and various thoughts should be the goal here.

I have a legal background, so therefore I am pleased to argue against popular opinion to make my point.

Dandy Jack

Popular opinion is as much the "I don't care," it seems, unfortunately --

No false assumptions or therapists' offspring here, only justifiable reactions to what's been written in more than one entry in this thread;

Not much room for "diversity" in this

REAL-literal-sick-nonconsensual-torture vs.

*SEEMINGLY-real-well-acted-OR-safely-and-willingly-endured-tickle torture

---the latter of which NO ONE here has a problem with; I think we're all in agreement there --
Some of us were concerned, with good reason, about statements made in this thread,
---no one said they have a problem with the desire to view extreme tickling, that's understandable... Just with no abuse.

but thank you for fleshing out your standpoint and (somewhat) defending puppies along with models along the way

 

[BigJim]

The best examples I've personally seen of tickling "hell" being put on a model, would probably be a couple of Magic Touch vids. This is ironic to me, as I've said before that I find the lers in MT vids to be quite aligned to the gentle/playful sort of tickling, especially Don. That company has had however, some of the biggest genicalactic freaks of nature when it comes to tickle models (a term that may sound insulting, but is meant in an entirely complimentary way). Farra and Dita especially bear physical expressions reminiscent of medieval torture victims.

If the lee reaction is what you'd be after, go for them. If you want to see a particularly energetic ler as well, then go for some of Realtickling's earlier stuff.

Anything showing Veronique as a lee from Frenchtickling would also fit the bill.

 

[jkb]

that I assume there would be no laws broken that everyone would know what that means.
I did not say... man I surely hope that someone will be abused to get me the video I want to see.

So no, I did not say kick the puppy or abuse the tickle victim.

Can I just see better examples of women tickled in such a way that it looks like they are in tickle hell.

Don't assume either that if someone is in tickle hell that they have to be abused. That false assumption on the part of some who have responded to this tread is what I think the problem is.

I don't care is just a part of my attitude about these assumptions.

I'm sure that a company like French Tickling and many others can do it without abusing anyone.

Therefore you can save your weak example of kicking puppies to prove your point.

Remember there is no law against not caring, having a bad attitude or not going with the crowd.

Diversity of ideas and various thoughts should be the goal here.

I have a legal background, so therefore I am pleased to argue against popular opinion to make my point.

Dandy Jack

No, dude, I was agreeing with you. At the very least, at the part where you said "Do I or do I not have the right to disagree and have the right to my opinion." It just seems to me that some people can't leave other people in peace. Or that some people have to pick apart other people's words until nothing is left. So on and so forth. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's tired of seeing a whole bunch of "Crusaders", as you put it (an accurate term, in my opinion), jumping down someone else's throat every time they don't tow the line, or like something that they may find questionable (or assume they like something that most would find deplorable), etc.

Precisely what I am trying to say is what you said: "Remember there is no law against not caring, having a bad attitude or not going with the crowd." Now if you can kindly inform some of our other members.....

Skelyrata, that sound you heard from me is the sound of my frustration with TMF Crusaders, and trust me, we got a whole lot of them (oh, do I remember the thread for the Southeast Asia Tickling company's "Fuck You" clip).

P.S. I did not actually advocate kicking puppies and abusing women, but even with this little P.S. message, I'm sure there are plenty who will still be unable to get it. Hence the problem.

 

[Horatio]

A couple observations on this thread..

As a admitted lover of the non-con tickle torture fantasy, I eagerly read this thread. Wow - a few of you have some serious social issues - I won't name names, but I gotta tell you, it's rarely black and white, right or wrong, legal or illegal. But a couple of thoughts...

A skilled, motivated producer could create a regular consensual video that I guarantee nearly everyone would think is truly non-con. Outstanding acting and skilled directing blur the line of reality/fantasy. Watch Jodi Foster get raped in "The Accused". Or, if you have the stomach for it, rent and watch "Flower of Flesh and Blood". Even though you know it's fake, it is too hard to look at. My point is - it doesn't have to be TRULY non-consensual to appear non-consensual. And I think people looking for true tickle torture wouldn't know the difference - and they would be happy.

Also - there are quite a few models who will put up with a lot of discomfort to make a video. I'm sure there are many reasons - some are into it, some want the money, maybe a bit of both. Take a look at whippedass.com. There are dozens of models enduring real pain for those photo shoots. Some will argue that tickle torture is worse than spankings and nipple clamps - I'm sure it varies. My observation is that, again, a properly motivated producer could certainly (perhaps not easily) find an EXTREMELY ticklish model willing to test her limits, and even push them far beyond what they thought they were capable. Oh, and back to whippedass.com. I think it's cute - but also very smart - of the producers to show a final picture in the photosets of both models - dom and sub - smiling for the camera. "Hey, I'm OK, I'm not pissed or hurt"

In the final analysis, to get "true tickle torture", we're going to need to be rescued by a skilled, experienced producer/director (I mean in film & theater, not porn) who is interested in making the video for art's sake first. Because - and it kills me to say it, knowing the money I've spent over the years - we as tickle fetishists don't provide a wide enough audience to give tickle material producers the economies of scale they need to make a lot of money.

 

[ReyaFet]

Don't any of you like it when the girl LIKES being tickled? Sometimes it can be taken too far with this "tickle torture" thing.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but what I'm getting here is, "we need more material in which the 'lee is forced way out of her comfort zone and put through an experience that she really hates."

If I've gotten the gist of that, then I guess I just have two questions: How many models do you really expect to sign up for something like that voluntarily? And if it's not voluntary then do we really need it?

 

[BigJim]

Personally I love the site of a lee utterly losing control and composure under my less than tender ministrations. I do however feel guilty enough when they're actually up for it, never mind if I were doing it against their will.

The appearance of real suffering can be a pleasant one to some lers, including me. Thankfully there are lees out there that will voluntarily go that far. Has to be said though, such a ler needs to have two sharp eyes out for the lee's vital signs. I once had the privilege of playing with a lee who was braver than most lions. We agreed a time limit of 43 minutes (based on a quiz, where wrong answers clocked up more time for her) and during that time, she would have no safe word and I would hold nothing back. Her last words before going under the ropes were, “Bring it on!”

I threw myself into that tickling session the way Sauron threw himself into creating the One Ring. I pretty much destroyed myself doing it, so Lord alone knows how she felt. After 32 minutes though I stopped it, because the lady in question was starting to look like she was spacing out entirely.

So there are lees out there who’ll push themselves beyond their own boundaries and will openly taunt the ler into throwing everything they possess at them. Even so, I’d always keep that first-aider’s eye open.

I don’t think my love of hard play is a bad thing. I don’t kidnap people, tie them up and subject them to my will. I just thank my lucky stars when I meet one.

 

[Todd Tickles]

Holy crap! I never knew this thread got so big. Good reading.

There was a clip posted in the "clips" section today. It was a home vid from youtube of some girls pinning down, and tickling their unwilling friend. It was very nice and could have even been nicer if the clip went on longer.

This is the kind of "True tickle torture" I was talking about, just in case any of you wondered what I meant by "true tickle torture" It's REAL! It's an unwilling victom, and its HARMLESS. Just what I love. Glad they pinned her down and tickled her to the point of laughing and screaming and begging. YUM!!!!!!!!!! Blown away there's not WAY more of this stuff on the web. Just normal sisters pinning down their siblings and tickling them to tears, just like may of us did to our siblings, or had done to us. I love watching it.

 

[Dandy Jack]

Where's the link?

Holy crap! I never knew this thread got so big. Good reading.

There was a clip posted in the "clips" section today. It was a home vid from youtube of some girls pinning down, and tickling their unwilling friend. It was very nice and could have even been nicer if the clip went on longer.

This is the kind of "True tickle torture" I was talking about, just in case any of you wondered what I meant by "true tickle torture" It's REAL! It's an unwilling victom, and its HARMLESS. Just what I love. Glad they pinned her down and tickled her to the point of laughing and screaming and begging. YUM!!!!!!!!!! Blown away there's not WAY more of this stuff on the web. Just normal sisters pinning down their siblings and tickling them to tears, just like may of us did to our siblings, or had done to us. I love watching it.[/

if you saw such a great clip... then please share the link. I would love to see it.

Dandy Jack]

 

[giggle-maker]

I found it.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=114377

 

[cakepaladin]

I know that I am technically a "newbie" on this forum, but I am no stranger to the BDSM and tickling scenes. I've been in both of them for at least 20 years and have had many partners with varied interests. God knows I was one of PD's (from Insex) earliest customers and have followed a lot of his stuff in my own life. I, too, get tired of the "crusaders" on every forum who pick apart everything you say and try to start an argument. It's annoying as hell, but you have them on every forum. Hell, I even have them on my Corvette forum telling me not to street race. Good God

 

[BigJim]

I found it.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=114377

Barefoot as well, wasn't she?

 

[barefeetarebest]

absolutely Beautiful!

 

[barefeetarebest]

Don't any of you like it when the girl LIKES being tickled? .

I understand that you like/love being tickled.... But one question stands to reason-- Have YOU ever been broken?? Please answer honestly and give as many details as possible.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Shocking to some, I guess.... but some of us who tickle-indulge LIKE to (safely) take things to an extreme, push limits or go inside the mind further than we have gone before.

It's not all "heartless". Sometimes people just play different. Consenting to give up consent. A different level of stimulation for different brain chemistry.

 

[FunnyClub]

play nice.

Sorry, but I'm not into the non-consensual type scenarios. Obviously in tickling videos, there is consent or the model wouldn't have agreed to do it, but if I know that the 'lee is in absolute agony, I really can't get into it. She has to be having at least SOME degree of fun.

Agreed. When a girl displays an expression that leans more towards misery the fun gets sapped right out of it. The Silvercherry clip with Alexis Capri on the rack, screaming but still wearing a smile that would suggest she is still on the 'Im going crazy but this is still fun' side of the fence, would have to be the latest, greatest herald for 'tickle torture'.

 

[BellaRisa]

Holy crap! I never knew this thread got so big. Good reading.

There was a clip posted in the "clips" section today. It was a home vid from youtube of some girls pinning down, and tickling their unwilling friend. It was very nice and could have even been nicer if the clip went on longer.

This is the kind of "True tickle torture" I was talking about, just in case any of you wondered what I meant by "true tickle torture" It's REAL! It's an unwilling victom, and its HARMLESS. Just what I love. Glad they pinned her down and tickled her to the point of laughing and screaming and begging. YUM!!!!!!!!!! Blown away there's not WAY more of this stuff on the web. Just normal sisters pinning down their siblings and tickling them to tears, just like may of us did to our siblings, or had done to us. I love watching it.

I just watched that clip. If that's all you mean when you describe your favorite style of video then I have no problem and we share similar tastes. Now having said that, had the clip gone on to show the 'lee starting to *really* cry and honestly beg while the girls continued I'd have been instantly turned off, that's going too far. But the way it was I loved it

Bella

P.S. I didn't get the sense that the young lady 'lers in that scene would have gone too far, and that's part of why I liked the clip...

 

[Babbles]

Just play nice or not at all.

I know that I am technically a "newbie" on this forum, but I am no stranger to the BDSM and tickling scenes. I've been in both of them for at least 20 years and have had many partners with varied interests. God knows I was one of PD's (from Insex) earliest customers and have followed a lot of his stuff in my own life. I, too, get tired of the "crusaders" on every forum who pick apart everything you say and try to start an argument. It's annoying as hell, but you have them on every forum. Hell, I even have them on my Corvette forum telling me not to street race. Good God

Had this (newly added interpretation) been provided immediately there would've been no problem
(and I still relied upon the added comments such as those provided by the articulate Bella, above, to understand that this vid clip example apparently wasn't taken too far, in spite of the tears mentioned..)

Instead, several additional sadists jumped on board and agreed how WONDERFUL it is to REALLY torture the hell out of an unwilling woman in the first pages.

It didn't take a linguistic scholar to get the point which was repeated and reinforced at the beginning of this thread.
----So it certainly wasn't necessary or helpful for you and others to jump in with inaccurate comments about those of us who raised valid questions.

"Crusaders" (and they were horrible historically, so you can all shove that term) those of us who protested are obviously not,
but whoever disagrees & pours cold water on some creep's sadistic fun is a Target where those bullies here are concerned.

I didn't need to have this dredged up again, I've become completely disgusted with the attitudes of too many guys on this forum--
that the extreme discomfort of an unwilling person is no big deal.

There are too many videos circulating which advertise TRUE TICKLE TORTURE, PROLONGUED AND MISERABLE from any available hell hole in any hick town or third world country, *so we have every reason,

in addition to responding to what was clearly written and expanded upon,

to say, hey, watch it, REAL (MISERABLE) TORTURE is unacceptable.

"Torture" in quotes is another matter. Fake fun "torture" is just fine.
Nobody said otherwise.

SO EXPRESS YOURSELF CLEARLY, HAVE CONSIDERATION AND YOU WON'T GET US "CRUSADERS" -- or whoever you've grabbed for the evening --- ON THE VALID EDGE OF AN ASSAULT CHARGE.

It all comes down to CONSIDERATION AND COMMUNICATION.

IF YOU HAVE NEITHER you shouldn't be playing with anyone.

(And by the way, a dead teenager was on the front page AGAIN after drag racing with a friend. Instead of throwing out labels you might want to thank the "crusaders" on your auto forum for their concern.)

Thank you to the many polite gents and ladies who reinforced this notion of considerate clarity,
which I'd hoped would've been a given.

 

[maniactickler]

Im a huge supporter of extreme, non consensual tickle torture. although i wouldnt feel comfortable doing it myself. id prefer to watch someone else be the asshole.

 

[brianspencer66]

You know Ive been reading this thing for a while and now its sort of going back and forth with all the valid points pretty much made pages ago. Has it occured to anyone that there are all kinds of stories here with the kind of tickling some are talking of? The reality is that there are all kinds of taste here and there is room for everyone. Are we likely to see somthing we all like in a video most of the time frankly no. There are the f/f people the m/m people the f/m or m/f or the playful or the intense or the foot or rib people. I never thought of all these wonderful designations until I became a member here. Would I like to see serious tickle torture every now and then? Perhaps, but on the other hand I dont want to see a crying drooling suffering female at the hands of some heartless bastard either. So yes I agree with some of what Todd has said but I also understand the simple economic reality of the vendors too. Why dont we call it a night and agree to not agree and embrace our diversity for what it is pure and simple.

 

[tickle_feety]

totally agree.Remember the TC clip for 4 girls all tickled priscilla like crazy?and more gags and blindfolds.

you had to bring up that clip...my favourite of all time! and my PC broke the other day and wiped all my clips...including that one and now i can never buy it again cause the TIB has gone, COME BACK TIB!

totally agree though, although Priscilla was an awesome tickler, she was an even better lee, she was put through some intense torture in that clip!