What DON'T you like about M/M tickling? (a discussion)

Geez, paranoid much?!

I personally have no interest in m/m tickling because it isn't my preference. Has nothing to do with not being gay *grabbing a beer, talking in my deepest voice and wearing my I'M SOO STRAIGHT shirt*

Can't it be accepted that some people like tickling so much that it isn't gender biaz? I'm sure all the guy's here have gotten turned on by porn..well news flash!! The "money shot" you stare at a guy's penis for twenty minutes entering the girl's pussy and Yes....get turned on.

But it's not the same TG4U..

Bullshit! You can watch a naked man for twenty minutes with his shlong hanging out but a man tickling another man...no that's gay. Give me a break.

I bet some guys can tell me where the guy has a mole on his ass in the sex scene.
Tickling is tickling..sex is sex..don't confuse the two. m/m and f/f is the same thing. Same gender tickling same gender.

As for why f/f is more accepted....simple...men like anything that has to do with girl on girl (even hugging) and women pretty much don't even think about it that way. So both men and women accepted it unlike m/m tickling.

saratk said:

and I actually think there is too much /m in mainstream especially in cartoons and not enough /f

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I agree 100%. As a completely heterosexual male, I would much rather see a woman get tickled than some ugly, hairy man. Everytime I'm watching tv and I see a guy get tickled(usually unless it's a cartoon), I change the channel.

Its kind of an interesting situation, and it has to do with the attractiveness of the participants.

I'm a guy, and I consider myself straight. However, psychologically nobody is completely straight or completely gay, and I have seen some damn good looking, beautiful guys.

However, the line is different for women for me. While I'd only ever be turned on by ultra one in a million supermodel type guys, a random cute girl walking by me on the street sometimes gets me thinking.

So I guess the reason I don't enjoy M/M stuff while I do enjoy F/F stuff is that the 'attractiveness' line for the M/M to be pleasing to me is much higher than it is in the F/F case.

Ticklerguy4u said:

Geez, paranoid much?!

I personally have no interest in m/m tickling because it isn't my preference. Has nothing to do with not being gay *grabbing a beer, talking in my deepest voice and wearing my I'M SOO STRAIGHT shirt*

Can't it be accepted that some people like tickling so much that it isn't gender biaz? I'm sure all the guy's here have gotten turned on by porn..well news flash!! The "money shot" you stare at a guy's penis for twenty minutes entering the girl's pussy and Yes....get turned on.

But it's not the same TG4U..

Bullshit! You can watch a naked man for twenty minutes with his shlong hanging out but a man tickling another man...no that's gay. Give me a break.

I bet some guys can tell me where the guy has a mole on his ass in the sex scene.
Tickling is tickling..sex is sex..don't confuse the two. m/m and f/f is the same thing. Same gender tickling same gender.

As for why f/f is more accepted....simple...men like anything that has to do with girl on girl (even hugging) and women pretty much don't even think about it that way. So both men and women accepted it unlike m/m tickling.

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Maybe im the exception, but i would never watch porn if a naked man is involved. no matter how hot or how many women are in the video with him.

For me tickling can be a turn-on but also i can tickle just for fun...

If the tickling is just for fun I would/can/have tickled guys but just for the hell of it type thing, not with anything sexual that was going to take place.
Now when I say I tickled guys it is mostly a poke here or there but once at a small gathering the lee was a guy and there were only a few lers so I joined in by holding the lees foot for the ladies to tickle.

However, if the connection to tickling is for turn-on then no I wouldn't want to tickle or be tickled by a guy, because the connection between tickling and sex is too close in this situation so it is tied to my sexuality which is that I am a straight male.

That's my 2 cents.

It seems to me that the reasons most people give for not liking M/M are very similar reasons I don't like F/F.

Ticklerguy4u said:

I'm sure all the guy's here have gotten turned on by porn..well news flash!! The "money shot" you stare at a guy's penis for twenty minutes entering the girl's pussy and Yes....get turned on.

But it's not the same TG4U..

Bullshit! You can watch a naked man for twenty minutes with his shlong hanging out but a man tickling another man...no that's gay. Give me a break.

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It's not the same, TG4U. Your analogy is faulty in the respect that guys don't get turned on by watching other guys "shlongs." In the circumstance of watching porno, Guys get turned on because they cast themselves in the role of the man who is performing the sexual act on the woman. His masculinity is not threatened because he can see himself in that role. What the actor does to the woman is seen as an extension of the watcher's fantasy as to what he would like to be doing to her himself. In fact, even when he watches the female giving head to the male, again, he imagines what it would be like to BE the male recipient, and through that imagining, he becomes aroused.

In the case of M/M (where the male watcher does not like M/M), the male watcher cannot accept seeing himself in either role. The sense that one man is performing an act on another man that can easily be construed as sexually provocative upsets the watcher's sense of his own sexuality. It doesn't mean that the guy watching the scene is gender confused. It simply means that he cannot associate his own feelings of sexuality to that of either party in the scene before him.

This isn't bullshit...this is fact.

tickler_n_black said:

Very interesting thoughts so far.
This thread will definitely shed light on things.

As for me, just a small sample of what I DON'T like about m/m ticking clips is the fact that many sites try to pass it off as not gay. In fact, some m/m tickling clip producers caption their tickling clips something like "Straight fireman gets cock and balls tickled and sucked by Mark."

... I mean Come on!!! Not one truly straight man is going to allow that to happen to him, let alone be filmed doing it.

So just one of the things that bothers me is the dishonestly of those kinds of clip descriptions. It's like the gay producer is trying to make straight men (or worse yet young teen boys) believe that other straight guys are into m/m sexual bondage... and we all know that straight men are NOT into it. This however, is just one small reason why I really can't stand m/m tickling. When they swear its not gay.

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I think what we have here is a fantasy. It is the same when you see a women tickle another women to death because she ate the last piece of cake or borrowed her shoes without asking. Does that happen in real life? Of course not. It's juat a fantasy. And I think the same thing is going on here.

Nothing personal intended to those that like m/m, but it doesn't do anything for me.

The answer to that question is very simple for me. Tickling has a very strong connection to sex for me, I directly associate it with sex and I have tickled every woman with whom I have had sexual intercourse (to the point that they could stand no more and either submitted or just plainly lost their mind). I am a hetrosexual male and therefore men do not arouse me, as a matter of fact, men are a huge turnoff for me. M/M ticking therefore turns me off right down to the deep core of my sexuality and that explains my dislike for it.

But I'm not into F/M either, simply because it is the power that the tickler has when engaged in a fullblown tickletorturesession with a helpless strapped down ticklee that gives me the boner; the fact that you can dominate the ticklee in such a way that she cannot even control her own body.

Ticklerguy4u said:

Geez, paranoid much?!

I personally have no interest in m/m tickling because it isn't my preference. Has nothing to do with not being gay *grabbing a beer, talking in my deepest voice and wearing my I'M SOO STRAIGHT shirt*

Can't it be accepted that some people like tickling so much that it isn't gender biaz? I'm sure all the guy's here have gotten turned on by porn..well news flash!! The "money shot" you stare at a guy's penis for twenty minutes entering the girl's pussy and Yes....get turned on.

But it's not the same TG4U..

Bullshit! You can watch a naked man for twenty minutes with his shlong hanging out but a man tickling another man...no that's gay. Give me a break.

I bet some guys can tell me where the guy has a mole on his ass in the sex scene.
Tickling is tickling..sex is sex..don't confuse the two. m/m and f/f is the same thing. Same gender tickling same gender.

As for why f/f is more accepted....simple...men like anything that has to do with girl on girl (even hugging) and women pretty much don't even think about it that way. So both men and women accepted it unlike m/m tickling.

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When it comes to porn I only get turned on by lesbian porn, as I do not find a naked man to be sexually arousing, quite the opposite to be exact.

yes

i totally agree with you

Whatever you need to tell yourself to help you sleep at night but never the less when watching a normal porn movie--you are seeing a naked man.

You may not be turned on by it...granted. However, it seems that if you aren't turned on by it that doesn't make you gay but m/m tickling from what I am hearing...is. All I am saying is quit stereotyping. If a male tickles a female or male, then sometimes it isn't always because the guy is gay or has gay tendencies. Just like not every guy that tickles a woman is doing it to have sex with her.

I would caution those who are admitting they think of sex when tickling a woman. Around here..not to many girls are going to think well of that. Most of female lees around here like to be tickled but aren't sluts. IF they know you are thinking of having sex with them when tickling I don't think you will get many women to go for it. Just a suggestion.

As for those that stated they never watched a m/f X-rated movie..I highly doubt that in your whole life you never did. But maybe you were the 1% of teenage guys that were into science instead. I don't know.

I'm not saying tickling is a way to have sex with a woman, but it does for me (and I presume it's the same for many ticklefetishists) that is does bring enormous sexual arousal. That causes the link between M/M tickling and being gay, as the tickling would cause men being turned on by other men.

For me, tickling is is usually sexual and it's mostly about the 'ler. Since I'm attracted to women I prefer f/* tickling. My favorite is f/m tickling b/c it's easier to imagine myself in the 'lee position. Male nudity doesn't bother me and the spots I'm most ticklish are more easily accessible sans clothes so my imagination is aided by my stand-in being nude. I'll sometimes watch m/f tickling b/c I like seeing a beautiful 'lee as well. In fact I like to look at beautiful women whether they're being tickled or not. The tickling just makes it better. M/m, however, holds no attraction for me b/c I don't get anything sexual out of looking at men and the tickling by itself isn't enough to hold my interest.

Personally I see tickling as a sexual thing and I'm not gay and never will be, therefore I dislike M/M tickling.

to m/m or not to m/m

I can only speak for myself in this regard. I don't watch m/m because it isn't of any interest to me. I have seen it and I am not repulsed by it, but it really doesn't do much for me. I also don't go out of my way to watch two men kiss, hug, or have sex. That doesn't do anything for me either.

If I happen to see two men kissing, hugging, holding hands, that's fine. I think it is sweet/romantic that two men are holding hands or being affectionate just as if I were watching a man and a woman, or two women. It doesn't bother me. Heck, a few people here on the forum know that I regularly hug people regardless of gender. I have kissed a man on a few occasions: I know once was for my friend (who is gay) when he turned 21 as a way to shock him (it was funny), and another time I kissed a man because my current lover REALLY likes watching two men go at it so I figured it couldn't hurt for me to kiss a man and have her watch in order to do something nice for her* (she thought it was hot, which works for me).

I am considering showing some m/m stuff to my lover since she has just gotten into tickling (me her, and her me) and that might be something she'd enjoy watching, it is hard to say.

On knowledge I am aware of but not from a direct personal experience...

I know that San Francisco not only has an active gay scene but it has a very active BDSM scene. The gay male BDSM scene in San Francisco is fairly extensive compared to other cities. I have heard through the community that tickling in the gay male community is a lot more common than the heterosexual BDSM community.

I do know that the gay male BDSM community does not intermingle much with the heterosexual or gay female BDSM community. They see themselves as their own group and rarely do the two cross paths. As open as the we in the BDSM community speak of there is still some perceived or actual discomfort of some kind which must have caused this rift.

The fact that gay female couples or transgendered males are fairly readily accepted into the world of the heterosexual BDSM community is interesting to note. There is very little gay male scenes that cross into the other community, and vice versa.

This is similar to the TMF. You do not see much of a gay male presence in our tickling community in posting, or online. Whether through passive or active actions on both sides there is a virtual line in the sand. The m/m videos are representative that community crossing over into our "turf" and it ruffles feathers. If we posted F/M or M/F stuff in their arena I am sure they would have similar reactions.

Why is there this invisible barrier? Why are the communities set apart like this? That is a question I have been pondering for many months without any real answers. That might be a topic for another discussion but the affects of this rift is what I think is causing the stir over m/m videos clips.

* If you are curious I thought the kiss was nice but it really didn't do much for me as far as being sexually attracted to the man. So not so sexy a thing for me but definitely not repulsive.

Did he slip you the tongue?

I got a little flustered reading that, bagel. Please! In detail!! =P

(sorry, had to do it)

Bagelfather said:

and another time I kissed a man because my current lover REALLY likes watching two men go at it so I figured it couldn't hurt for me to kiss a man and have her watch in order to do something nice for her*

* If you are curious I thought the kiss was nice but it really didn't do much for me ... but definitely not repulsive.

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::: TIB slaps Bagelfather across the face :::

Wake up man!
Get a hold of yourself!
Did you hear what you just said!?!?!

😉

Interesting points all. To be completely honest, watching any sort of visual erotica really doesn't do it for me for some reason, regardless of the genders involved.

Strider said:

Interesting points all. To be completely honest, watching any sort of visual erotica really doesn't do it for me for some reason, regardless of the genders involved.

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Interesting... For the most part, I am the same way... I'm more of a "doing" kinda guy, rather than "watching".

Gremio said:

Interesting... For the most part, I am the same way... I'm more of a "doing" kinda guy, rather than "watching".

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The thing is, I do enjoy written erotica in a way I don't enjoy visual for some reason. Don't know why.

Strider said" The thing is, I do enjoy written erotica in a way I don't enjoy visual for some reason. Don't know why.

Visual and written media engage different aspects of the brain, and produce different reuslts. Your arousal curve is probably keyed to non visual media where your imagination plays the part of making the pictures.

Myriads

Gremio said:

I got a little flustered reading that, bagel. Please! In detail!! =P

(sorry, had to do it)

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ROFL and can you post pics of his feet?