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Star Wars vs Star Trek

Well, everyone knows where I stand on this....but in truth, the two mythologies are completely different. It's apples and oranges. Just to touch upon the "military strategy" arguement, however, our illustrious Trek fan has neglected to mention the awe-inspiring tactics of Grand Admiral Thrawn or Gilad Pellaeon.

I agree that Trek's "science" is often made-up. One thing that I always hated about the Trek series' (although not so much the original, but especially TNG) was that I'd sit through 55 minutes, getting into the storyline, just to have them "modify the phaser banks/transporter/replicator/tricorder particles" to create a "negative warp field/tachyon emmiter/transhellogram morgrifier" or some such to save the day in the end. And I'm like....Huh?

Star Wars was always about the people, not the toys. Of course, lightsabers are the baddest weapons ever devised, but even the Jedi are not really about the lightsabers. (I do agree that Grievous picking up four of them and being able to use them really watered down the whole concept.)

All in all, I like them for different reasons. star Wars is, to me, head and shoulders above in terms of mythology and story-telling (mostly because of the wealth of post-ROTJ novels), but Satr Trek will always hold a special place in my heart.

We should just be thankful that we have two groundbreaking sci-fi mythos' to entertain us. Our fantasy history will forever be wrapped around both Star Trek and Star Wars.
 
asutickler said:
Usual Star Wars character's response to a problem: "Let's kick some ASS!"


Usual Star Trek character's response to a problem: "Let's moan about the "Prime Directive" for a while, and then have a long talk about our feelings."



I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan or anything... But I can't even sit through an episode of Star Trek. :xlime:
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Kirk never moaned about the Prime Directive, he was to buissy kicking Klingon Ass and banging space babes. Now Picard on the other hand...
 
Star Trek.

Star Wars is way overdone and tries to top itself with every new movie, but (in my opinion) fails.

Star Trek is an awesome, obviously cheesy show/movie(s) without trying too hard and going over the top. George Lucas recently pissed me off about saying that the effects in Spider-Man 3 were too "fake".... I guess he hasn't seen one of his own movies? Isn't 90% of the cast in his movies robotic?

As far as villains... Someone mentioned Q. Q is a cool villian. Beats your typical Star Wars guy, they're all pretty much the same.
 
NavelTickler75 said:
Ah but as Emo's go, Vader is much more a badass. Khan seemed kinda gay
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Fist of all I would be careful of using any homophombice remarcs her on the forum. Plus consider the fact that Kahn nearly took over the Enterprise and killed her captain in about 2 days. Ad to that the fact that he didn't need telepathy to beat his arch rival into the ground and that it was his ego that cause him to lose, not his "soft heart" like Vader.

"I'll wager he could lift us both with one arm." as Dr McCOy said. Five times the strength, twice the intelagence (sp), charima like no other, and beter taist in women (LT McGievers was way hotter that wafe Anikin had the hots for). Kahn rules Vader Drewls.
 
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Dave2112 said:
Well, everyone knows where I stand on this....but in truth, the two mythologies are completely different. It's apples and oranges. Just to touch upon the "military strategy" arguement, however, our illustrious Trek fan has neglected to mention the awe-inspiring tactics of Grand Admiral Thrawn or Gilad Pellaeon.

I agree that Trek's "science" is often made-up. One thing that I always hated about the Trek series' (although not so much the original, but especially TNG) was that I'd sit through 55 minutes, getting into the storyline, just to have them "modify the phaser banks/transporter/replicator/tricorder particles" to create a "negative warp field/tachyon emmiter/transhellogram morgrifier" or some such to save the day in the end. And I'm like....Huh?

Star Wars was always about the people, not the toys. Of course, lightsabers are the baddest weapons ever devised, but even the Jedi are not really about the lightsabers. (I do agree that Grievous picking up four of them and being able to use them really watered down the whole concept.)

All in all, I like them for different reasons. star Wars is, to me, head and shoulders above in terms of mythology and story-telling (mostly because of the wealth of post-ROTJ novels), but Satr Trek will always hold a special place in my heart.

We should just be thankful that we have two groundbreaking sci-fi mythos' to entertain us. Our fantasy history will forever be wrapped around both Star Trek and Star Wars.

And Kahn is better then Vader
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Here here, espcialy that last part that I did not add in myself.
 
ChosenofMystra said:
Khan??? Vader??? Pfft! *waves hand dismissively*

Its all about Palpatine/Sidious my friends.
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Fuck Palpatine, he's too lazy to get out of his robe. He doesn't even do his own dirty work most of the time. At least the bad guys on Trek could not only handle the heat, they would walk right threw it. Star Trek III for example. A Klingon stands in the Center planet thats falling apart and says...

"Yes, exsileraiting isn't it."

Who's you daddy Palpatine!
 
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I'll finish Hijacking this thread by saying this...

Weather it's Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, or in the 24th ceantury, only one man would ever have the balls to question God.

"Excuse me, why does god need a space ship"
-Capt James T Kirk, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Sure it turned out not to be god, just the remains of Plapitine's imortal soul that was sent into the the Star Trek Univece when Bitch Vader went soft and tossed him down a shaft (where he exploded). Then a Klingon Bird of Prey finnished him of, with a NON JEDI VULCAN pulling the trigger.

SlaverTickler wins...

MERCILESS FATALITY!!!
 
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SlaverTickler said:
"Excuse me, why does god need a space ship"
-Capt James T Kirk, Star Trek IV: The Final Frontier
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Not that numbers matter a whole lot, as you got the name of the movie right, but that was actually from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier...
Come Star Trek V and through another mission would they plod;
This time to find the creature who would claim that he was God.
But Kirk unmasked the phony, for he knew they'd all been gypped.
No real God would have shown His face if He had read the script.​
 
star wars hands down.its got a great storyline.its got action, love, betrayal, and unlike most movies the bad guys win in a couple of the movies.u dont get to see that in star trek ever.
 
SlaverTickler said:
Fuck Palpatine, he's too lazy to get out of his robe. He doesn't even do his own dirty work most of the time. At least the bad guys on Trek could not only handle the heat, they would walk right threw it. Star Trek III for example. A Klingon stands in the Center planet thats falling apart and says...

"Yes, exsileraiting isn't it."

Who's you daddy Palpatine!
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Bah! A true villian refuses to sully his hands with the blood of his enemies. Far better to have one of your lackeys do all the grunt work, while you reap the fruits of your victories, occasionally tossing your flunkies a bone so they do not get any wise ideas like mutiny.

Besides, dark flowing robes SCREAM badass mastermind arch-villian 😀 😛 :xpulcy:
 
kurchatovium said:
Yea I would agree Q is kinda deity like but thats why defeating him was so much more fun to watch. 😀 😛 Q was evil I think but true to his word. He would set up a situation for you to overcome but was honorable for the most part if you did manage to accomplish it. Q also introduced the Federation to the Borg (one of the nastier things he did). The Borg I find are also much more interesting enemies then Vader was. Still I did enjoy the Star Wars sagas. I just always liked the Star Trek plots a bit more.
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Ah Trek has the Borg, but Wars has the Yuuzhan Vong! Now which villain race rocks more?

LOL damn the Borg vs. the Yuuzhan Vong there's a movie or a story just waiting to be told!
 
Who are the Yuuzhan Vong ? I have watched all the episodes and I dont recall them.
 
kurchatovium said:
Who are the Yuuzhan Vong ? I have watched all the episodes and I dont recall them.
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They are part of the expanded universe, from the books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong

They're like the anti-borg, more prone to organic weapons and making things organic and not cyber like the borg do. They also hate droids and machines and technology, so the war between them and the Borg would be one hell of a fight!
 
Ahhhhhh thanks Naveltickler. Never read any of the books. I do agree though that would be a very interesting war. 😀 😀 😛
 
kurchatovium said:
Ahhhhhh thanks Naveltickler. Never read any of the books. I do agree though that would be a very interesting war. 😀 😀 😛
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No problem dude, ^^

Yeah I can not imagine the devistation those two races would wreak if they were to meet!
 
ChosenofMystra said:
Bah! A true villian refuses to sully his hands with the blood of his enemies. Far better to have one of your lackeys do all the grunt work, while you reap the fruits of your victories, occasionally tossing your flunkies a bone so they do not get any wise ideas like mutiny.

Besides, dark flowing robes SCREAM badass mastermind arch-villian 😀 😛 :xpulcy:
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Then that would mean there aren't to many good villians in Star Wars, because other then the Emperor they all get their hands dirty.
 
In the end I think (and I still feel trek is more entertaining), The Rebeion and the Federation (OS) would team up to defeat the combined might of the Cosmic Axis (Klingons, Romulians and Galactic Empires) Spock would learn the ways of the force, and Kirk would sleep with Leah while Scotty distracted Han with a very old bottle of Scotch.
 
SlaverTickler said:
Then that would mean there aren't to many good villians in Star Wars, because other then the Emperor they all get their hands dirty.
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Not true, Vader sends in a lot of his troopers to kill for him, and tried to get his own son to turn to be his apprentice. He Even hoped to get his baby girl into the deal in the last movie.

Speaking of the books for those who know, can you imagine what Vader would have done to Prince Xizor of the Black Sun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Xizor) if he had learned Leia was his girl?!

"You want to kill my son, and bonk me daughter!!!! AH HELL NO!!!!!!"
 
SlaverTickler said:
when Bitch Vader went soft and tossed him down a shaft (where he exploded).
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First of all, Han>Captain "KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!" Kirk. Second, I just find Trek boring. It's really just up to whether you prefer the more slow-paced, heavier dialouged Trek, or more action-oriented Wars. However, the EU stuff in Wars is awesome, and you really need to read it to get the whole experiance.

And third, just because Vader threw Palpatine down the shaft due to the actual developement of wanting his son to live hardly makes him a "bitch". But I guess you prefer all villains to be static...
 
Excess said:
First of all, Han>Captain "KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!" Kirk. Second, I just find Trek boring. It's really just up to whether you prefer the more slow-paced, heavier dialouged Trek, or more action-oriented Wars. However, the EU stuff in Wars is awesome, and you really need to read it to get the whole experiance.

And third, just because Vader threw Palpatine down the shaft due to the actual developement of wanting his son to live hardly makes him a "bitch". But I guess you prefer all villains to be static...
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1. The whole 'KAAAAAAHN' thing is so frequently quoted to point out how poorly Shatner portrays emotion. What's missed in that statement is the fact that the emotion was supposed to be false, i.e. being played at by Kirk (he already knew the Enterprise was coming back in an hour or two, I forget exactly how long). So he has to act, like he's faking something emotional off the cuff. Any actor will tell you this isn't easy to do.

2. I don't prefer static villains. I'm just sick of prissy fallen-angel re-converted types. Khan changed, especially if you consider his series appearance vs. the movie he was in. What he never was, was kind... or misunderstood... or a sympathetic type. He's an utterly black-hearted and evil villain that, while he did grow and develop to some extent--no less so than what would be logical given the sort of person he was to begin with--didn't make anyone feel particularly sorry for him when he died. Plus, he was strong. Intelligent. Capable.
 
Dave2112 said:
Just to touch upon the "military strategy" arguement, however, our illustrious Trek fan has neglected to mention the awe-inspiring tactics of Grand Admiral Thrawn or Gilad Pellaeon.
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What awe inspiring tactics?
Thier tactics were the kind of simple stuff any student at ANY national naval academy here on earth learns all about and knows how to counter by halfway through the second semester of the first year!

Admirals Nimitz, Halsey, Spruance, King, Mitscher, Lee or Burke would've made mincemeat out of them.
For that matter, so would Yamamoto or Ozawa.

I'll bet those guys wouldn't last twenty moves in a game of 3-D chess against Spock. They might last that long against Kirk, but they'd still lose! After all, he is the only Starfleet cadet ever to beat the no-win scenario!
 
Congratulations!

NavelTickler75 said:
No problem dude, ^^

Yeah I can not imagine the devistation those two races would wreak if they were to meet!
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You're the only person I've ever seen use the word 'wreak' in a conversational sentence!

Yes, that war would be interesting to watch; from a galaxy far, far away from the one where the fighting was taking place!
 
In the midst of all this rhapsodizing about the Wars...

Expanded Universe; are you all unaware of the Trek EU? At this point there are literally hundreds of Trek EU novels in print. They began to appear in 1964, as soon as some fool at NBC cancelled the fifth season of the original Trek. (Wonder what the rest of HIS career looked like?)
The Trek EU is so extensive, it dwarfs the Wars EU.
 
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