15 year old girl assaulted by police

[MrMacphisto]

your getting off the subject here. ok a law it is against the law to curse in public it's called disorderly conduct. there is a law that states you can't refuse to obey a lawfull order by a police officer. So if you call me a fucking pig and I tell you not to curse again and you do and at me thats a summons fail to comply with a lawfull order. Allowing the police to summons for disrespecting them can be given in many ways you don't need a law for it. When in training your told your supposed to have a thick skin thus to a nyc officer pig is pride integrity and guts I always said ty and pissed the perp or suspect off. Lets try to stay on track here if you have any questions about the law I will try to answer them for you.

I wasn't aware of that.

While I understand the logic behind that law, that is rather... authoritarian.

 

[gluestick]

I somewhat agree with Viper. I can see why he feels that way but it is not the Police Officers duty to act as a parent. In my 20 years as a Police Officer I only struck one child he was 14 had it have been a girl I would not have but thats me. The kid was under for driving a vehicle he drove it all the way from PA to NYC in the south Bronx. While in custody he was laughing and joking I asked him you think this is funny ? I'll whipe that silly smile right off your face. His friends were also laughing tilll I said that as I turned away the kid had a nasty comment for me I turned back and open handed smacked him in the face and knocked him off the chair. well I had 3 of the quietest kids after that. The father who drove 4 and a half hours to come get the 3 boys was not very happy. As soon as he entered the room the trouble maker got up and started telling his father he was the victim of Police Brutality and that I hit him. The father said well apparently he didn't hit you hard enough and began to beat him with a belt.
I was wrong but nothing ever came of it. I don't want to start quoting the law but what she did would have been considered harassment in a court of law as there was no physical injury. Just like you wouldn't shoot someone fleeing a burglary you don't assault someone for harassment.

That is so badass. Props to you and the kid's dad.

 

[Sanhael]

Kids are allowed to get away with shit to the point where that kind of backhanding is almost automatic. I've seen it from some of the gentlest and most understanding people I know; one, a Sunday School teacher, resigned from his position due to feeling guilty over it. The thickest skin will eventually be worn through from repeated poking in the same spot; maybe we, as a society, should stop acting like crude, disrespectful behavior is an inherent part of being young, and actually teach our children to behave. I never acted like this as a child; most of the people I knew didn't, either, sans the very occasional childish fit of pique.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Kids are allowed to get away with shit to the point where that kind of backhanding is almost automatic. I've seen it from some of the gentlest and most understanding people I know; one, a Sunday School teacher, resigned from his position due to feeling guilty over it. The thickest skin will eventually be worn through from repeated poking in the same spot; maybe we, as a society, should stop acting like crude, disrespectful behavior is an inherent part of being young, and actually teach our children to behave. I never acted like this as a child; most of the people I knew didn't, either, sans the very occasional childish fit of pique.

I believe this problem is best addressed by parents themselves, although admittedly, as a kid, there were occasions where I decided to beat the shit out of my peers for their behavior.

 

[MasterPaladin]

yes it is and it is not used very often there are many laws on the books not used and some actually removed that I think should be there. the assault charge you have to have a physical injury to up the charge it has to be a serious physical injury to further up it it has to be done with a dangerous instrument. there is a catch all whats dangerous ? a bucket of water is hold someones head in it long enough and bingo dangerous instrument many laws can be manipulated. There are only 7 deadly weapons I think a kung fu star was added a while back possibly making it 8. 3 bludgeons 3 cutters and a gun but gun is not stated it is any weapon capable of firing a projectile with enough force to cause serious physical injury or death. thats the disc. of a gun then switch blade gravity knife dirk or dagger billet billy blackjack are the other 6

 

[Dussicar]

your getting off the subject here. ok a law it is against the law to curse in public it's called disorderly conduct. there is a law that states you can't refuse to obey a lawfull order by a police officer. So if you call me a fucking pig and I tell you not to curse again and you do and at me thats a summons fail to comply with a lawfull order. Allowing the police to summons for disrespecting them can be given in many ways you don't need a law for it. When in training your told your supposed to have a thick skin thus to a nyc officer pig is pride integrity and guts I always said ty and pissed the perp or suspect off. Lets try to stay on track here if you have any questions about the law I will try to answer them for you.

Actually, what you have mentioned is (unfortunately) common knowlege.

Everyone knows that the "interpitation" of the law is up to the individual officer. This is where the problem lay.

The basis of this thread is about a police officer who has abused this liberty in the most extreme case. There are plenty of people in the world who know what an officer can and can't do. That line gets blurred quite frequently.

If you concede that the law-and terminology "pig"- is something to be proud of, then I have met a decent cop. You have made the best of a bad situation.

Many of your brothers and sisters feel differently, however.

Regardless of what problems many police officers deal with on a daily basis, I still stand by my original statement that almost all police officials in my home town are worthless. They have been given one of the lowest ratings in terms of efficiency in the country.
I will try to find a link to back this up as soon as I can.

The entire concept of this thread is not about an officer's judgement, but what frightening wrath they are allowed to unleash under the guise of a tin badge.

To quote from one of my favourite movies, "Training Day:"

"What if that guy complains?"

"To who?"

 

[kis123]

Kids are allowed to get away with shit to the point where that kind of backhanding is almost automatic. I've seen it from some of the gentlest and most understanding people I know; one, a Sunday School teacher, resigned from his position due to feeling guilty over it. The thickest skin will eventually be worn through from repeated poking in the same spot; maybe we, as a society, should stop acting like crude, disrespectful behavior is an inherent part of being young, and actually teach our children to behave. I never acted like this as a child; most of the people I knew didn't, either, sans the very occasional childish fit of pique.

Many of today's kids are not being taught to respect authority. They are under the impression that they are equal to adults; that couldn't be more incorrect.

I taught my children that if they stayed in the position of child, I will deal with the adult in question, but if they tried to handle it themselves, they were on their own plus they had to deal with me when they got home. This worked very well when they got to middle & high school where some of the adults in authority saw the need to be verbally abusive. I had a principal swear at my daughter then attempt to deny it to me. I told him that she's ready to come out of class and quote him to his face while I was on speakerphone, he immediately started the backpeddling.

Now that was a tad off topic, but here are my thoughts:

Once that 15 year old got herself arrested, she gave up her child status and decided to disrespect authority figures. She was in jail for a reason and maybe if she didn't get herself put there nothing would've happened to her.

This crap starts at home and spreads abroad. If you teach your children to respect authority, it's highly unlikely they'll end up in jail in the first place.

 

[MasterPaladin]

I totally agree with you except for this
To quote from one of my favourite movies, "Training Day:"

"What if that guy comlains?"

"To who?"

there are many to now and they listen.

there are a few that think that badge protects them and you and I both know it don't. I used to train rookies and I asked them a few questions like will that badge stop a bullet or a moving car or a fist no and if you threaten anything be able to follow through if you can't shut up. Some learned some didn't. I think I am gonna start another thread for this in here it's starting to get off track of the original incident.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Many of today's kids are not being taught to respect authority. They are under the impression that they are equal to adults; that couldn't be more incorrect.

I taught my children that if they stayed in the position of child, I will deal with the adult in question, but if they tried to handle it themselves, they were on their own plus they had to deal with me when they got home. This worked very well when they got to middle & high school where some of the adults in authority saw the need to be verbally abusive. I had a principal swear at my daughter then attempt to deny it to me. I told him that she's ready to come out of class and quote him to his face while I was on speakerphone, he immediately started the backpeddling.

Now that was a tad off topic, but here are my thoughts:

Once that 15 year old got herself arrested, she gave up her child status and decided to disrespect authority figures. She was in jail for a reason and maybe if she didn't get herself put there nothing would've happened to her.

This crap starts at home and spreads abroad. If you teach your children to respect authority, it's highly unlikely they'll end up in jail in the first place.

You're right. Still, just because a kid acts stupid doesn't mean adults can stop acting smart.

 

[Dussicar]

there are a few that think that badge protects them and you and I both know it don't. I used to train rookies and I asked them a few questions like will that badge stop a bullet or a moving car or a fist no and if you threaten anything be able to follow through if you can't shut up. Some learned some didn't. I think I am gonna start another thread for this in here it's starting to get off track of the original incident.

Well, to be honest, I wish we had somebody up here like you to train (and outright get on their asses) to train our municipal- and even provincial- police in the terms of proper conduct.

Sadly, they learn all too quicklly that if one thing dosen't seem wrong in the eyes of their peers, then another thing dosen't, and another, and another.

Quite frankly, our whole justice system, in Canada, in general needs a clean slate.

There is nothing worse than watching local cops dealing with 21st century violence and crime using techniques from 1967.

 

[MasterPaladin]

Kis I respect you for that your one of those years ago moms if the cop hit you you want to know why it might mean your for your child or and a big OR they might be in for another beating lol I use the word beating lightly

 

[SlaverTickler]

Yeah,I'm not a big fan of this decision either. However, and i don;t know all he details here, but in Montreal their was, for a good time, a very "Anti-police" mentality, which is why this was probably passed. I'd have to do more research on the matter to figure everything out though.

I don't sell drugs, so if they started hanging people for selling them why should it bother me? I don't cuss out cops, so a fine for people who do doesn't bother me. The only people who have to worry about the penalty of a crime are people who commit them. If you deal with an ass hole cop you can take his badge number and report him, so if a cop deals with an ass hole civilian shouldn't that civilian have to pay a price for being so as well.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Kis I respect you for that your one of those years ago moms if the cop hit you you want to know why it might mean your for your child or and a big OR they might be in for another beating lol I use the word beating lightly

I've banged head with Kis before... she doesn't do much lightly lol.

 

[kis123]

You're right. Still, just because a kid acts stupid doesn't mean adults can stop acting smart.

I never said the cop was right, but had she not been there in the first place, it NEVER would've happened would it?

Sometimes folks should rewind the entire tape, not just the end parts. If she wasn't breaking the law she wouldn't have been arrested. Had she not been arrested and in jail, she couldn't have pissed off a cop who is a flawed human being who could lose his temper and knock her arse out!

Then none of us would have this thread to debate over the issue because it wouldn't have been one.

 

[LD_Tickler]

I don't sell drugs, so if they started hanging people for selling them why should it bother me? I don't cuss out cops, so a fine for people who do doesn't bother me. The only people who have to worry about the penalty of a crime are people who commit them. If you deal with an ass hole cop you can take his badge number and report him, so if a cop deals with an ass hole civilian shouldn't that civilian have to pay a price for being so as well.

A crooked cop broke my friend's recently for no reason. My friend was walking by talking to somebody, the cop thought he had said something to him and his partner, so he beat him up. Reporting him did no good, because the cops in this small town all stood up for each other.

So I don't agree with the attitude that one doesn't need to worry, because good behaviour means you're unaffected. Tell that to my friend with the broken arm.

 

[kis123]

Kis I respect you for that your one of those years ago moms if the cop hit you you want to know why it might mean your for your child or and a big OR they might be in for another beating lol I use the word beating lightly

My kids wouldn't have landed themselves in jail and if they did, they'd rather be there then at home with me! I love my kids into eternity, but I didn't play games with them growing up.

Permissive parenting makes for rotten kids that end up in the back of police cars. Or worse, they end up on your job and getting on your nerves with their antics and attitude.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Well, to be honest, I wish we had somebody up here like you to train (and outright get on their asses) to train our municipal- and even provincial- police in the terms of proper conduct.

Sadly, they learn all too quicklly that if one thing dosen't seem wrong in the eyes of their peers, then another thing dosen't, and another, and another.

Quite frankly, our whole justice system, in Canada, in general needs a clean slate.

There is nothing worse than watching local cops dealing with 21st century violence and crime using techniques from 1967.

Yep we need to bring back the death penalty and make sure all the kids in juvy watch the hangings live on TV. Then we need to get that bitch Chow out of power because her (and her bleeding hear husband) are a buntch of ass kissing scum. Do you know why the NDP are so "Pro Poor People" they want to keep the poor on gov, money so they will continue to vote for them. If people were all working then nobody would need the NDP to keep them going on Tax Payer's dollars.

Another thing we need in Canada is to actually put people in jail when they break the law. "Oh, Tyler shot somebody, well we will put him on parole so he can go out and shoot somebody else." DUH! The only thing our legal system need is for the people running it to have to deal with the people they let out OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Lets see how Mayer Miller would feel if it was his family that was dying in drive by shooting on Saturday mornings. Then again this is the same ass hole who wouldn't take a day to pay respects to an off duty fire fighter who died trying to save lives.

Lose the bleeding hearts and you will make my country a better place.

 

[MasterPaladin]

I've banged head with Kis before... she doesn't do much lightly lol.

I know what your saying I agree with kis in some areas and I agree to disagree in others but I think we (me and kis) can have an adult conversation. she may have a strong mind set but at the same time is open.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I know what your saying I agree with kis in some areas and I agree to disagree in others but I think we (me and kis) can have an adult conversation. she may have a strong mind set but at the same time is open.

Yep, I've come to learn that a bit more myself these days.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

I don't sell drugs, so if they started hanging people for selling them why should it bother me? I don't cuss out cops, so a fine for people who do doesn't bother me. The only people who have to worry about the penalty of a crime are people who commit them. If you deal with an ass hole cop you can take his badge number and report him, so if a cop deals with an ass hole civilian shouldn't that civilian have to pay a price for being so as well.

In a perfect world, where only the guilty are charged and convicted of crimes, then you might have an arguement. As thats not the case though, you don't. Part of the concern about that particuler law, is that police may incite a person to become verbally offensive intentionally for the purpose of charging them.

You are right that you can report a police officer, but that does not mean anything will be done about it.

 

[kis123]

I know what your saying I agree with kis in some areas and I agree to disagree in others but I think we (me and kis) can have an adult conversation. she may have a strong mind set but at the same time is open.

Why thank you!

And Slaver..........

 

[SlaverTickler]

And Slaver..........

See, see, you try to be nice and look what happens

 

[MasterPaladin]

kis your cool thick headed in some areas but cool.. lmao ducks the emoticons lmao

 

[Dussicar]

Do you know why the NDP are so "Pro Poor People" they want to keep the poor on gov, money so they will continue to vote for them. If people were all working then nobody would need the NDP to keep them going on Tax Payer's dollars.

Um...Actually...The NDP are about the working class. Not the welfare bums...Genius.

 

[MasterPaladin]

Um...Actually...The NDP are about the working class. Not the welfare bums...Genius.

ok I understand the tension here but lets keep on the subject. was that cop right or wrong