a hypothetical question about non-consensual tickling.

[Wolf]

The allure of this scenario is apparently "getting to do what I want to someone without any fear or repercussions".
It's hard to explain to people what's wrong with this scenario when they don't see human beings as anything other than spank material; something to inflict their fetish on, rather than a person to share it with.
For those of us who are in relationships where we can indulge ourselves, or have even just been able to engage in what we like to do with real people, it doesn't sound like fun.

 

[Pghtkltorture]

I think people need to slow down here with the judgement.
This is so hypothetical. Hell 90% of the artwork and stories on here are non-consensual and people would be horrified if it happened in real life.

In my fantasy my boss would hold my job above my head until
I submitted to being her tickle slave. In reality I would be thinking about how wonderful my lawsuit to HR would be.

I don't think it is a matter of inflicting a fetish or not seeing people as human.
It's just about a fantasy. How boring would every story be if it started with "Mike and Carol who are in a loving, committed relationship have decided to role play a scenario where Mike has kidnaps her and tickle tortures her while she pretends to hate it but secretly likes it"

If the hypothetical question is: would you choose to live in a world where you could do whatever you want with no repercussions, and that was totally acceptable. I think people a lot of people would be ok with that. Like I could pull an I dream of Genie head nod and say "I want to tickle Taylor Swift" and she would just appear and I could tickle her as I please. Yes I think many people would be ok with it.

If the question is if you could get away with kidnapping someone and tickling them against there will in the world we live in. I would say that answer is no.

 

[sman9000]

I think people need to slow down here with the judgement.
This is so hypothetical. Hell 90% of the artwork and stories on here are non-consensual and people would be horrified if it happened in real life.

In my fantasy my boss would hold my job above my head until
I submitted to being her tickle slave. In reality I would be thinking about how wonderful my lawsuit to HR would be.

I don't think it is a matter of inflicting a fetish or not seeing people as human.
It's just about a fantasy. How boring would every story be if it started with "Mike and Carol who are in a loving, committed relationship have decided to role play a scenario where Mike has kidnaps her and tickle tortures her while she pretends to hate it but secretly likes it"

If the hypothetical question is: would you choose to live in a world where you could do whatever you want with no repercussions, and that was totally acceptable. I think people a lot of people would be ok with that. Like I could pull an I dream of Genie head nod and say "I want to tickle Taylor Swift" and she would just appear and I could tickle her as I please. Yes I think many people would be ok with it.

If the question is if you could get away with kidnapping someone and tickling them against there will in the world we live in. I would say that answer is no.

Lol fair points.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Has everyone on this board asked for permission in advance every time they've ever tickled someone their whole lives? Of course not. I'd be willing to bet every single person reading these words has tickled someone non-consensually

Excellently put. It's refreshing to hear such straightforward common sense on this topic. In my opinion, it's not reasonable to try and analogize the given scenario to a sexual situation, which inevitably seems to always happen in threads regarding the indulgence of our favorite thing out in the general public. For example, if somebody asks, "would you tickle a stranger?" somebody will inevitably respond with "would you sexually assault a stranger? Cause...like....that's what you'd be doing."



If I were in the scenario described in the opening post, I wouldn't kidnap. If she was already bound and blindfolded by someone else, I might be tempted to rub her ribs a little before calling the police on my way out. Then again I might be too creeped out to be in that mood. Tough to say without actually being in that situation.

 

[rdhd]

Maybe someone should ask Bill Cosby? Just sayin'.....

 

[Teal]

I think people need to slow down here with the judgement.
This is so hypothetical. Hell 90% of the artwork and stories on here are non-consensual and people would be horrified if it happened in real life.

The OP said "hypothetical," not "fantasy" - they said "would you actually do it" not "do you fantasize about it." A hypothetical situation means that we're considering our actions were it real, which is considerably different from a fantasy.

 

[TickleUEmo]

If you asked a vanilla person, "What if you were able to kidnap, capture, or given the opportunity to have sex with someone 100% non-consensually and against their will to your heart's content, and be able to get away with it scot free and zero consequences? Would you actually do it?"

What sort of response would you expect?

I know for me, as I try to put myself in that position, there's a voice saying "eh who knows, maybe when they figured out all I was going to do is tickle them they might be like 'well that was creepy as fuck but it could've been a lot worse!'" SEX with someone against their will, there's no guess work as to how they're going to feel about it. It's going to drop a nuke on their heart mind and soul, maybe for decades to come. I've beaten myself up over not spending as much time as I could have with my late Mom, to the point where I needed to be prescribed tranquilizers to deal with the guilt when she died. I can't imagine having something like raping someone on my conscience. Could a total stranger forcibly tickling them for hours at a time fuck with somebody's head equally as bad? Maybe. "One second I was in control, the next second I wasn't and there was nothing I could do about it. What's to stop it from happening again?" But it's a less scary idea to play with because in my mind anyway, there's a chance it won't fuck them up. Unlike rape where it could ruin their life forever, or just for almost forever.

 

[Wolf]

I know for me, as I try to put myself in that position, there's a voice saying "eh who knows, maybe when they figured out all I was going to do is tickle them they might be like 'well that was creepy as fuck but it could've been a lot worse!'" SEX with someone against their will, there's no guess work as to how they're going to feel about it. It's going to drop a nuke on their heart mind and soul, maybe for decades to come. I've beaten myself up over not spending as much time as I could have with my late Mom, to the point where I needed to be prescribed tranquilizers to deal with the guilt when she died. I can't imagine having something like raping someone on my conscience. Could a total stranger forcibly tickling them for hours at a time fuck with somebody's head equally as bad? Maybe. "One second I was in control, the next second I wasn't and there was nothing I could do about it. What's to stop it from happening again?" But it's a less scary idea to play with because in my mind anyway, there's a chance it won't fuck them up. Unlike rape where it could ruin their life forever, or just for almost forever.

A number of people on this forum prefer tickling to sex; so much so, that the most sexual thing they can imagine would be tickling someone, and then masturbating. The thought of what most people consider sexual contact doesn't interest them; for some, it actually repulses them. The activity takes the place of what most people consider sexual contact. So, the whole "it's not like sex" argument is moot, because this is what some people would rather do, instead of sex. People can fantasize about whatever they damn well please. Lots of people (including a lot of women) have rape fantasies; it doesn't mean they want to rape, or be raped. I'm just saying that claiming something isn't sexual (because it's what they'd rather do instead of sex) is a false distinction.

 

[Rectangle]

Has everyone on this board asked for permission in advance every time they've ever tickled someone their whole lives? Of course not. I'd be willing to bet every single person reading these words has tickled someone non-consensually in their lifetimes, including those who rail about it as immoral. The non-con discussions on this site have become far too PC. What could be immoral is not caring how the other person reacts once you tickle them.

It's a bit different within the bounds of a pre-existing relationship where there's implied leeway as far as physical contact goes.
Nobody outside of future residents of a sex offender registry are running around tickling strangers without consent in the same way one would tickle a friend.
And even within friendship..There's not always that implied leeway, it's not always okay.

From threads like this I've read, going back years worth of pages on the forum, there's a pattern around here of just flat out not giving a fuck about people's consent.
"I'm going to touch you and you're going to laugh and I'm going to like it and there's nothing you can do about it. Fuck you, I'm getting mine."

The attitude sticks out in my head everytime I see it expressed, because even as a kid lurking here years and years ago, something about it didn't sit right with me, it was always a big shining billboard of how far not to go.
Even more so now that I'm married with a daughter on the way
I think the PC attitude surrounding non-con that you're lamenting, is a great thing for this community. I see it as progress, as points of view change surrounding consent and what is and is not ok.

Also..OP threw kidnapping on that list.
If anyone around here would kidnap someone against their will if only some pesky law wasn't in the way, then you scare the shit out of me.

 

[Wolf]

Nobody outside of future residents of a sex offender registry are running around tickling strangers without consent in the same way one would tickle a friend.

There are some unique situations where it's a lot more plausible to tickle a stranger; haunted houses, costumed characters at a Renaissance Faire flirting with comely patrons, etc...it does happen, and it's "acceptable" in those venues, within reason.

As for the non-con brigade, regaling the forum with stories of their pawing at strange women, eliciting a delicious giggle, and then waddling away, cloaked in secrecy, like a repressed old man's super villain fantasy, I wouldn't put much stock in that. It's all bullshit, and half of what they're getting off on is the hope that the "Morality Police" are shocked. They think, in some strange way, people with real-life interactions are jealous of their fantasies. There are a lot of people on this forum who don't have any real-life experience. If all you have is fantasy, boundaries aren't really an issue.

 

[TickleUEmo]

There are some unique situations where it's a lot more plausible to tickle a stranger; haunted houses, costumed characters at a Renaissance Faire flirting with comely patrons, etc...it does happen, and it's "acceptable" in those venues, within reason.

As for the non-con brigade, regaling the forum with stories of their pawing at strange women, eliciting a delicious giggle, and then waddling away, cloaked in secrecy, like a repressed old man's super villain fantasy, I wouldn't put much stock in that. It's all bullshit, and half of what they're getting off on is the hope that the "Morality Police" are shocked. They think, in some strange way, people with real-life interactions are jealous of their fantasies. There are a lot of people on this forum who don't have any real-life experience. If all you have is fantasy, boundaries aren't really an issue.

You know what the TMF needs? A "Like" button

 

[DemiTickler]

Also..OP threw kidnapping on that list.
If anyone around here would kidnap someone against their will if only some pesky law wasn't in the way, then you scare the shit out of me.

THIS! This this this has what has been bothering me throughout the thread, and why I've been worried as it hasn't been called out before.

Take out the tickling. Forget it, put it aside. Let's say, for example, this hypothetical situation didn't include any touching whatsoever. You just kidnap this person, tie them up, leave them there and, I dunno, taunt them. Even if you tell them you're not going to hurt them, they're perfectly safe, etc, does this person actually believe you?

Fuck no. If they're not terrified out of their goddamn minds, they'll be royally pissed off. After the incident? They're going to be jumpy, paranoid, and worried for a few months at best.

Now add touching. Not tickling, just poke, or even stroke them here and there, and maybe compliment them. Are they going to say to themselves "Oh this doesn't hurt, this sucks but I'll get over it"? No! They're going to be pissed that you're in their personal space and touching them. No, this is not about consent, this is about a person who's being held in a strange place and terrified out of their mind, with a creep touching them. Their skin will crawl. Once they're finally free, they'll be jumpy, paranoid, and probably snap at anyone who invades their personal space.

Now, add tickling. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the fear hasn't taken out their ticklishness and they'll still react. They're bound, trapped, at someone's mercy, and they either want to cry, scream, or both. And instead, for your own amusement, are going to make them laugh. Sensation aside, it's humiliating. It's a silly motion, and a silly reaction. And, of course, comes the tickle-teasing. The cutesy voice, the taunting, the playful games and the babying.

If the person isn't begging you for release, or panicking, or even screaming angrily, they may very well be having an anxiety attack. Which means they go quiet, stone-faced, even though their emotions and mental capacity is on the fritz. No one wants to be in that situation for real.

Now, I'm going to let you all in on a secret: I actually have a lee friend I met on this site a few years back, who has a "being kidnapped fantasy". While I do think he's crazy (in a good way) playing and acting out the whole "evil kidnapper" thing can be pretty fun. We go all out, with the me taking him by surprise, hiding my face, tying him up at knifepoint, and going to town on him til I've had my fun and finally let him go. (Granted we haven't tried the whole "tying up and throwing him in my trunk" thing but we'll get there eventually I'm sure.) So obviously, I have nothing against the fantasy, and if that's your thing, then go for it and have a blast.

But if any of you people pulled a stunt like this on him for real, whether you knew his fetish secret or not, I would hunt you down and break your goddamn knees.

If you want to call me "morality police", fine. But this isn't a story, this is "hypothetically" someone's life and well being. Before you answer a question like this, what about thinking, for a moment, if you were on the receiving end of this. It's "just tickling", so you shouldn't care if you're being kidnapped and held against your will for a few hours of fun, right? You're not getting hurt, so you should be fine.

And before anyone goes off on "non-con tickling" that's a totally separate matter. Sneaking up behind your friend and giving him/her a quick tickle, or even having a group of friends dog pile someone and tickle them while horsing around, is completely different, and not nearly the same issue.

 

[shinsatou]

Oh please, you all need to get over yourselves and stop with the sanctimonious judgement.

Fact of the matter is, whether people want to talk about it in nice company or not, it doesn't matter: if you take a man that's full of testosterone and give him the place, equipment, and ability to do anything to a gorgeous woman he wants to with no repercussions of any kind, he will satisfy his sexual fantasies. Moral or not, it's the truth.

As has been said in this thread before, the fact that so much tickling fiction is non-con only proves that it is a turn-on for many people. I absolutely don't buy the "but it's only fantasy, if it were real life it would be completely different!" excuse.

 

[Myriads]

Fact of the matter is, whether people want to talk about it in nice company or not, it doesn't matter: if you take a man that's full of testosterone and give him the place, equipment, and ability to do anything to a gorgeous woman he wants to with no repercussions of any kind, he will satisfy his sexual fantasies. Moral or not, it's the truth.

So you hold that all people are intrinsically immoral?

There are many many individuals that would not act in the situation you describe because of inherent moral standards they hew to. Just because you would do what you wanted does not mean that a projection of your beliefs in how you act onto all others is true.

Myriads

 

[Bohemianne]

I guess this is the ultimate "What If" proposal.

What if you were able to kidnap, capture, or given the opportunity to tickle torture someone 100% non-consensually and against their will to your heart's content, and be able to get away with it scot free and zero consequences? Would you actually do it?

I'm just wondering how many of us have that dark side in us.

If I were a man?
If the barrier or obstacle (accountability) is gone, it isn't interesting anymore. Getting to heaven easily is boring.

 

[mch5]

Surely morality is the biggest obstacle.
The things I would love to do to a Lee' at the same time are the things don't want to do, never.

We all have a dark side, indeed, until we turn on the lights to do something 🙂

 

[Wolf]

Oh please, you all need to get over yourselves and stop with the sanctimonious judgement.
Fact of the matter is, whether people want to talk about it in nice company or not, it doesn't matter: if you take a man that's full of testosterone and give him the place, equipment, and ability to do anything to a gorgeous woman he wants to with no repercussions of any kind, he will satisfy his sexual fantasies. Moral or not, it's the truth.
As has been said in this thread before, the fact that so much tickling fiction is non-con only proves that it is a turn-on for many people. I absolutely don't buy the "but it's only fantasy, if it were real life it would be completely different!" excuse.

Project much?

 

[The_Darkweb]

Lets face it 90% of tickling is non consensual, how often do you say "hey can I tickle you?", or how often does someone say "If it isn't to much to ask would you mind tickling me ruthlessly? Please feel free to ignore any and all requests for you to stop."

Not likely.

 

[Wolf]

Lets face it 90% of tickling is non consensual, how often do you say "hey can I tickle you?", or how often does someone say "If it isn't to much to ask would you mind tickling me ruthlessly? Please feel free to ignore any and all requests for you to stop."

Not likely.

Sure, but there's a big difference between "not asking for permission" in a social situation and what the OP is talking about.

 

[shinsatou]

You only need to look at war crimes throughout history to prove my point. Nanking massacre, Vietnam war, etc. When people know they can get away with something, they turn into animals. The people who did these things were not some horrible psychopathic monsters, they were normal young men in the military, and these happened en masse.

 

[Jffshmt1]

I think people need to slow down here with the judgement.
This is so hypothetical. Hell 90% of the artwork and stories on here are non-consensual and people would be horrified if it happened in real life.

In my fantasy my boss would hold my job above my head until
I submitted to being her tickle slave. In reality I would be thinking about how wonderful my lawsuit to HR would be.

I don't think it is a matter of inflicting a fetish or not seeing people as human.
It's just about a fantasy. How boring would every story be if it started with "Mike and Carol who are in a loving, committed relationship have decided to role play a scenario where Mike has kidnaps her and tickle tortures her while she pretends to hate it but secretly likes it"

If the hypothetical question is: would you choose to live in a world where you could do whatever you want with no repercussions, and that was totally acceptable. I think people a lot of people would be ok with that. Like I could pull an I dream of Genie head nod and say "I want to tickle Taylor Swift" and she would just appear and I could tickle her as I please. Yes I think many people would be ok with it.

If the question is if you could get away with kidnapping someone and tickling them against there will in the world we live in. I would say that answer is no.

Good points, mate. Good selection with T-Swift too.
Definitely in an I Dream of Genie scenario. Tempting otherwise, but I don't think so.

 

[TickVix]

Personally if a close friend or family member tickled me without consent I wouldn't mind... And I do mean close friend, like we would have had to know each other for years, not like a person I met a few months ago. With that being said, if I don't know a person well enough... There's definitely going to need to be some consent. Had a rather bad experience with that several years ago. Can't just approach someone you don't know that well and just tickle them that's an unspoken rule in my book.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Oh please, you all need to get over yourselves and stop with the sanctimonious judgement.

Fact of the matter is, whether people want to talk about it in nice company or not, it doesn't matter: if you take a man that's full of testosterone and give him the place, equipment, and ability to do anything to a gorgeous woman he wants to with no repercussions of any kind, he will satisfy his sexual fantasies. Moral or not, it's the truth.

As has been said in this thread before, the fact that so much tickling fiction is non-con only proves that it is a turn-on for many people. I absolutely don't buy the "but it's only fantasy, if it were real life it would be completely different!" excuse.

This wins the "Best Post of the Thread" award!

But don't get your hopes up that the Morality Police will hang up their priestly judge's robes any time soon. They live for the opportunity to pronounce judgement.

 

[TMF Jeff]

That is not the truth. You're talking about sociopaths. I wouldn't do that, and neither would most of the men I know. You should consider developing some self control or something if your sex drive is that firmly in the driver's seat.

Oh please, you all need to get over yourselves and stop with the sanctimonious judgement.

Fact of the matter is, whether people want to talk about it in nice company or not, it doesn't matter: if you take a man that's full of testosterone and give him the place, equipment, and ability to do anything to a gorgeous woman he wants to with no repercussions of any kind, he will satisfy his sexual fantasies. Moral or not, it's the truth.

As has been said in this thread before, the fact that so much tickling fiction is non-con only proves that it is a turn-on for many people. I absolutely don't buy the "but it's only fantasy, if it were real life it would be completely different!" excuse.

 

[TMF Jeff]

This wins the "Best Post of the Thread" award!

But don't get your hopes up that the Morality Police will hang up their priestly judge's robes any time soon. They live for the opportunity to pronounce judgement.

You agree with him that if there were no consequences you would rape a woman? And you think you have to be the morality police to oppose that? That's some world view you've managed to evolve.