a question about foot tickling

[FlockOfSeagulls]

does having your big toes tied together when your feet r being tickled raise the level of ticklishness; or does it make a diffence at all? and given a choice would u rather have them tied together ?

 

[luvgirlsfeet]

When I was tickling tickleshotel's feet last week I noticed that her feet were more ticklish while I had held her toes back and stroked her soles up and down, she freaked when I did that

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Sounds like u really had good time

 

[Michael514]

Well yes I prefer it. My wife's feet are not ticklish at all. One night when I tied her up I tied her toes together and she anxiously was asking what I was doing. I told her and after I tied them I used an electric toothbrush on the balls of her bare feet. To my surprise, she was wiggling her feet and laughing and begging me to stop. I'm waiting for another opperatunity to do this again.

 

[steph]

...the worst kind of torture~something about not being able to get out of it...
XOXO

 

[Redmage]

does having your big toes tied together when your feet r being tickled raise the level of ticklishness; or does it make a diffence at all? and given a choice would u rather have them tied together ?

Yes, it does make a difference. First, it makes the 'lee's feet MUCH less mobile. They can't move their feet around to cover each other, they can't wiggle nearly as much, and it's harder for them to curl their toes. So just about anything you want to do to their feet is easier with their toes tied. In addition to this, most 'lees find that the more helpless and vulnerable they are, the more ticklish they become.

 

[Nite_Giggler]

As a nurse, I recommend against this. I've seen people seriously injure their toes this way.

 

[Redmage]

As a nurse, I recommend against this. I've seen people seriously injure their toes this way.

I think the main risk of this is if ONLY the toes are tied. In that case the 'lee's struggles can definitely pose a threat to the small bones of the foot. If the ankles are tied together as well as the toes then the 'lee's mobility is so limited that I think this risk is minimal if not eliminated. I can say that I've used this method for almost 20 years, and seen it used by others for a good decade, and never seen an injury so long as the ankles were secured.

 

[Nite_Giggler]

Well you've been really lucky, then. That's entirely too much stress on the phalanges and their associated tendons. Ask any doctor if you don't believe me.

 

[Redmage]

Well you've been really lucky, then. That's entirely too much stress on the phalanges and their associated tendons. Ask any doctor if you don't believe me.

I've been lucky and so have dozens of other people that I know of. I think that 20 years of my own experience and a decade of many other peoples' is probably pushing "luck" a bit too far. At some point it starts to appear that the risks aren't all that great.

If the ankles are well-secured, I don't see that the force that will be generated is great enough to be dangerous. I'm not an MD, but I am a US Army medical specialist and a very experienced tickler and bondage rigger. I know what you're saying, and I don't doubt you've seen injuries from cases where the ankles weren't tied, but I don't know of a single case of injury when this method is used properly. If you know of a case study I could read in which this did happen, I'd be interested to see it.

 

[darvon96]

I’ve done this to my wife in the past, and the results were very satisfying. But, there are two reasons why I no longer do it. First, no matter how carefully I try to tie them, the restraint cuts off circulation enough so that the toes turn blue. I find this to be distressful and it makes me uncomfortable even if she’s not complaining. I know that proper toe cuffs can be purchased to alleviate the problem, but my second reason prevents me from buying them. The second and more important reason is that my wife’s big toes are one of the most ticklish parts of her body. If I hold her big toe and slowly stroke the bottom of it, she goes nuts! And, it’s even worse when I nibble and lightly scrape my teeth up and down her toes. So for me, full access to those delicious targets greatly outweighs any added benefit of tying them back

 

[siamese dream]

I've had my ankles tied before but not anything tying my toes, I'd be a little nervous to do this because I've struggled enough before to accidentally hurt myself, toes are fairly delicate, etc. Actually I sort of like being able to move my feet around but not really get away. As the ler it's fun to watch the feet move too 😉 I can see the appeal of total immobility, but a little bit of a struggle adds to the fun in my opinion 🙂

 

[Redmage]

I’ve done this to my wife in the past, and the results were very satisfying. But, there are two reasons why I no longer do it. First, no matter how carefully I try to tie them, the restraint cuts off circulation enough so that the toes turn blue. I find this to be distressful and it makes me uncomfortable even if she’s not complaining.

Here's a tip you might try if you still want to:

Buy an old-fashioned shoelace - the wide flat sort made out of soft cotton. Fold it in half, and position your wife's toes about 1/2 inch apart. Wrap the folded shoelace around her toes just once, and pass the two free ends through the loop at the other end.

Now, pull the lace just snug, not tight. The loop and the free ends should end up right between her toes. Take the two ends and separate them, and then pass them between her two toes - one around over the top and the other around beneath. Bring them back together on the other side of her feet (that is, if they started on the sole side, bring them back together on the top side) and tie a knot in them just as you would if you were tying your shoelaces.

Now, here's the important bit: Use that knot to tighten the tie down until your wife says it's just right. By using the knot to snug the tie down rather than pulling it tight at the beginning, you'll have much more control over how tight it gets.

I know that proper toe cuffs can be purchased to alleviate the problem, but my second reason prevents me from buying them.

I recommend against metal restraints of any sort, including toe cuffs, for tickle-play. The reason is the hard metal edges tend to bruise or even pinch nerves when the 'lee struggles. It takes so little pressure to do damage with a narrow bit of steel that I just don't like the risk. But your mileage may vary.

The second and more important reason is that my wife’s big toes are one of the most ticklish parts of her body. If I hold her big toe and slowly stroke the bottom of it, she goes nuts! And, it’s even worse when I nibble and lightly scrape my teeth up and down her toes. So for me, full access to those delicious targets greatly outweighs any added benefit of tying them back

That's another issue altogether. Toe bondage may just not be for you. However it's easy enough to apply and remove that you can play with her whole toes one minute and tie them the next if you wish to.

 

[Mz Chaos]

Hmmmm...

Grocery List...

milk
eggs
butter
bread
shoelaces

 

[dskodj]

Hmmmm...

Grocery List...

milk
eggs
butter
bread
shoelaces

LMAO! dont forget the orange juice

 

[Nite_Giggler]

I've been lucky and so have dozens of other people that I know of. I think that 20 years of my own experience and a decade of many other peoples' is probably pushing "luck" a bit too far. At some point it starts to appear that the risks aren't all that great.

If the ankles are well-secured, I don't see that the force that will be generated is great enough to be dangerous. I'm not an MD, but I am a US Army medical specialist and a very experienced tickler and bondage rigger. I know what you're saying, and I don't doubt you've seen injuries from cases where the ankles weren't tied, but I don't know of a single case of injury when this method is used properly. If you know of a case study I could read in which this did happen, I'd be interested to see it.

Nope. no case studies I'm aware of, it's just common knowlege in the medical community, which you would know, if you were half as intelligent, experienced and knowledgable as you pretend to be. *sigh* I'm not going to argue with you any more. I'm through with this conversation.

 

[Redmage]

Nope. no case studies I'm aware of, it's just common knowlege in the medical community, which you would know, if you were half as intelligent, experienced and knowledgable as you pretend to be.

Ah. The common knowledge that no one has written down sort of thing. Well, it's common knowledge that people in the medical community often disagree even about "common knowledge." And I have a feeling that the knowledge-base regarding the medical implications of sexual bondage (how it's done and how to do it safely) is fairly limited. Though now that I think about it the work of Jay Wiseman in that area is pretty interesting. I'll ask him about this.

I try not to pretend to knowledge and experience if I can help it. I've posted samples of my bondage work on the forum, and if you like you can look them up and judge from them whether or not I know what I'm doing. As for my work in the army, well, I could send you my honorable discharge but that seems a bit silly. You can accept it or not - I'm not too worked up about it either way.

I'm not going to argue with you any more. I'm through with this conversation.

Probably just as well. Once a conversation devolves into "if you were intelligent, knowledgeable, and experienced you'd agree with me" it seldom goes anywhere useful after that.

 

[drew70]

It reads to me like Giggles speaks from experience and not out of a need to establish some kind of superiority. Red, I'm curious. If you have an honorable discharge, that would suggest that you are no longer in the Army, and no longer a medical specialist for the Army. Yet while overstating your credentials in your customary fashion, you said "I'm not an MD, but I am a US Army medical specialist and a very experienced tickler and bondage rigger." This statement speaks to your Army credentials in the present tense, but your honorable discharge suggests past tense. Can you set the record straight for those of us that are really interested in and fascinated by your qualifications?

 

[nostradamas]

Red, I have a question.
What was your MOS and where did you attend training?
And where were you stationed?

I'm fascinated with you military types

 

[Mz Chaos]

I'd be kinda interested in finding out how often doctors come across toes that have been damaged by being tied while being tickled and reading about past case studies on this.
Sounds like it's more prevalent and common than medical journals let on. Obviously there has to have been quite a few for doctors to have come to such firm and final conclusions.
I don't really put much faith in the medical community. Just the other day, a friend went in to have cysts removed from her ovaries. While they were in there they took out her appendix "just in case." I have a 10 inch titanium steel bar attached to my femur from a doctor telling me too soon that it was okay to put weight on my leg after surgery to the femur. I could go on and on about the incompetence of some doctors...
So, I tend to take the advice from someone who has had years of experiance at tying feet than I would from a doctor that sees a case one in a great while.
As in anything, there are flukes and exceptions to the rule... but I bet Red has had no lawsuits or battery convictions from damaging the toes of his 'lees. In fact, he doesn't strike me as the type of person who would want to inflict any pain unless it was asked for. Considering his extensive study and practice of bondage (I have seen pics... some are pretty impressive) I think he knows enough about his craft to qualify him as more of an expert than a doctor in an emergency room who mostly attends to bumps, bruises, scrapes and coughs.
But... what do I know

 

[drew70]

So, what I'm hearing from you Mz Chaos is that a guy you only know online, a guy who admittedly gets off on hurting women, a guy with inflated and self stated credentials, shows you a few bondage pics, and you're ready to take his medical advice over that of a licensed physician. Excuse my reaction.

 

[Mz Chaos]

Oh wow... talk about an over reaction!
No... didn't say a darned thing about his "medical" advice.
I didn't see him offering ANY medical advice. What I was saying... that was completely ignored... was that I would trust a person who has had years of "hands on experience" (pardon the pun) than a person who's experience is limited by the infrequency of the subject.
I have taken my car to many "shade tree" mechanics who were better machanics than the ones who are licenced and charge $50 an hour. I have read work by writers who have never been to college and seen excellent pictures by artists who have never taken a class in their lives. I have seen farmers who can't even spell "horticulture" grow fantastic crops, and little old ladies who sew dresses as well as top designers.
That.. was what I was trying to get across.

 

[drew70]

Oh wow... talk about an over reaction!
No... didn't say a darned thing about his "medical" advice.
I didn't see him offering ANY medical advice. What I was saying... that was completely ignored... was that I would trust a person who has had years of "hands on experience" (pardon the pun) than a person who's experience is limited by the infrequency of the subject.

A little differently worded but it basically amounts to the same thing. Medical advice was at the core of the difference of opinion between Giggles and Red. She said that from a medical perspective, it's not advisable. He seemed to exalt his "years of experience as an 'excellent' tickler and bondage rigger" over any such medical opinion, which any sane person would question.

What you said was "So, I tend to take the advice from someone who has had years of experiance at tying feet than I would from a doctor that sees a case one in a great while." We only have Red's word that he's as good as claims to be. I don't know about you, but when somebody tells ME how great they are at anything, it raises serious doubts. Greatness should never be self measured, and certainly not self proclaimed. It's for other people to decide and comment bout how great a person is, not that person. But you? Well, you are evidently so trusting and taken in that you stated you'd be more willing to take his opinion than that of a trained, certified physician. So who is over-reacting?

I have taken my car to many "shade tree" mechanics who were better machanics than the ones who are licenced and charge $50 an hour. I have read work by writers who have never been to college and seen excellent pictures by artists who have never taken a class in their lives. I have seen farmers who can't even spell "horticulture" grow fantastic crops, and little old ladies who sew dresses as well as top designers.
That.. was what I was trying to get across

Would you go to an alchemist rather than a physician because he claimed "years of experience"? Even supposing that Red does have twenty years of experience tying knots and hurting women, does that qualify him as a bone and tendon specialist? In all your examples the years of experience is relevant to the goal at hand, i.e. fixing cars, growing trees, etc. In this case you're weighing "years of (alleged) experience in tying knots" with a medical understanding of how much stress on the fragile bones and tendons of the toes is considered advisable. Apples and oranges.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

not what i had in mind when i wrote the thread. WE GET IT; PLEASE;ENUFF ALREADY.

 

[nowayjose]

She said that from a medical perspective, it's not advisable.

I've got a question: are medical concerns the same if all toes are bound back? I'd think that any sideways motion (which I think happens a lot more, when just the big toes are bound) is a lot more detrimental to the tendons and joints than if, say, all toes are bound back, to a stock or so (with ankles properly secured). The force is better distributed among the available tendons, so to speak and there is less play, especially sideways.

[Besides, the 'lee is even more helpless that way ]