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Beware – Beware – Cults – Beware - Beware

I don't like the idea of a cult, but would certainly be interested in being part of a shadowy organisation :grouphug:
 
What I really find amusing is that folks are so afraid to let
other people know they are into tickling, that it's all a big
secret, or something to hide and be ashamed of.

Perhaps that's part of the problem with the word "cult."
Some people have commented that they wouldn't want to
be a part of a tickling group which happens to give themselves
the name cult, or simply due to the fact that it's yet another
way to segment ourselves. However, those people are on
this site! This is a site for people specifically into tickling.
Does that make it bad? Do you think that there are other
people out there who are condemming you for doing something
you're interested in, with others who are also into it?

People self-segment themselves on a highly regular basis, and
you can't make me believe that there isn't ANYONE on here
who doesn't participate in that. Whether it's buying a specialty
magazine for gardening, or do-it-yourself projects, or looking atl
legs, or cars, or music, etc., people find a way to do the things
which they love with other people who feel the same way.

Now, I don't care what you're into (but I'm pretty sure you, as
well as I, are into tickling. And that's ok by me) but I'm damned
sure not going to let someone else tell me who I can or can't
associate with, and how to have fun, or where to live, and
even, if it comes to that, what the group we name ourselves is
going to be called.

I liked the anology of the people who liked RHPC as a cult, and
perhaps ticklers don't have as specific a focus on one person,
or one movie, but that being drawn together for the love of
something specific, in all it's infinite varieties, is really what's
important.

Lee
 
Worth coming out of lurker-land to cast a big vote in favor of Mr.Shadow!! We're all here becayse tickling, after all, belongs to a personal domain of experience, affections, sensuality, love, expectations, fulfillment...
The idea of an organization or a cult or any such whatsoever takes away that personal dimension...
Come on, make friends here, no acolytes!! Enjoy your bodies and partners and lives, don't try to give them a "structure"!! Be free, enjoy free, think with your own minds...
Says the dinosaur!! :wavingguy
 
justadinosaur said:
Worth coming out of lurker-land to cast a big vote in favor of Mr.Shadow!! We're all here becayse tickling, after all, belongs to a personal domain of experience, affections, sensuality, love, expectations, fulfillment...
The idea of an organization or a cult or any such whatsoever takes away that personal dimension...
:wavingguy

For you it is like that, perhaps not for others. Perhaps others feel a sense of family and acceptance among a larger group and it is not as personal and private as it is for you.

Is that a reason to condemn them for enjoying a different lifestyle? Would you have them hide their feelings in a closet somewhere?

Or should people of like mind be allowed to live how they like, form whatever group they want and call themselves whatever they want in the quest for a higher plane of existence?

Not fair to try and stop people from coming together in any kind of group or else we would not have a forum such as this one to begin with. Instead there would be sporadic sites that come and go and old newsgroup and chat sites spread all over the internet like days of old.....

All life evolves or ceases to exist.....
 
I don't see anyone trying to stop any of you joining the "cult". I only see genuine concerns for other people's welfare.The way venray describes the "cult" seems to be completely different to the way mtp jeff describes the circles. It doesn't seem like a free community to me. I don't for one minute think this idea has "died a death". There's plenty going on behind the scenes. Yes, it's a great fantasy, but for the people on the lower levels it will be a horrible reality with no way out. The leaders and the people in the middle will be ok. The people on the lower levels will be promised that they will move up but never will.The way venray describes it I would probably want to join myself but the way mtp jeff describes it there's no way in hell I would want to join or anyone I care about. I'm sure in a few years time I'll see you all on the news or on some horrid TV show. I can't say I'm looking forward to it and I don't want to say I told you so. I don't wish anyone any harm. I feel so strongly that I want nothing at all to do with it that this will be my very last post on TMF. I'm quite sure I won't be missed by anyone but I don't care about that. All I care about is protecting myself from whatever becomes of this.
 
Oh God honey. this has nothing to do with the TMF and nothing to do with the way we all interact here and in real life.

Ideas are being tossed about by many for different ways to bring the community together in real life, but no one has to participate in any of it...


And most likely nothing will happen at all for years to come......

Please dont leave the forum just because ideas are being exchanged on a topic that might frighten some.....

If that were the case I would have left a long time ago myself with some of the things that get discussed here.... 🙄

You would be very much missed by me and others if you did....
 
where do I sign up?!?!

Where's the Kool Aid? I'd love to be involved with a tickling cult.
 
Surprises are Delicious

I am new at this. I didn't even know tickling was a fetish til someone told me that last November and then showed me this site.

But the most wonderful thing is the surprises.

Not knowing. Wondering. Is this person, be is male or female is ticklish or really enjoys to tickle, or both? Is it just fun or erotic?

I have had so much fun making discoveries, having fun and enjoying this.

A real community or whatever any one wants to call it, would kinda ruin the mystery wouldn't it? Some of the surprise? Some of the fun?

Unless of course you wanted to have a tickling costume party, lol One could even bare their soles, lol

Throughout history, cults and cultists have cultivated an extreme reputation due to the serious, extreme consequences of the things that have been done. So an awareness of that is not to be taken lightly. One may earnestly research and evaluate based on facts throughout history.

We live in a country that celebrates freedom and independence, and I am enjoying my freedom and independence and I would frown on anything that does anything to restrict that.

I don't think the thread about cults is dead cause the discussion is continuing in this thread, and in those who post and in who reads the posts.

Have a Great Ticklish and Tickling Day!!!
 
Aun don't you dare leave this forum. you make sense always when you post and i for one would miss you very much..you are indeed entitled to your opinion as is everyone else..that being said...the idea of a cult, while not exactly scary to me, would be an impossibility, even back when i was interested...i mean what about those of us who are married? and not only married, but married to vanillas?
 
What???

When did somebody try to start a cult here? Boy, am I out of the loop in this community.

Oh well.

I remember trying to start a cult once.

Well...Actually it was a Chicken farm. Finances got the better of me so I couldn't proceed.

But believe you me, if I had the chance to go through with it, I would have led those little malevolent bastards to all your doom!!!!!!!!! :firedevil :evilha: :evilha: :evilha:
 
Dussicar said:
What???

When did somebody try to start a cult here? Boy, am I out of the loop in this community.

Oh well.

I remember trying to start a cult once.

Well...Actually it was a Chicken farm. Finances got the better of me so I couldn't proceed.

But believe you me, if I had the chance to go through with it, I would have led those little malevolent bastards to all your doom!!!!!!!!! :firedevil :evilha: :evilha: :evilha:

This is why I like you so much!.... :Hyrdrogen
 
Egads, this is getting rather out of hand... There are so many comments and facets to this discussion, it’s really rather difficult to respond fully. Nonetheless...


1. Aun: I understand how you feel, but think leaving the forum over such discussion would be a drastic overreaction at this point. I don’t know by what evidence you believe there is “plenty going on behind the scenes”. Maybe there’s some, maybe there’s none. I have no idea. If it’s an assumption, that’s one thing, but to assert assumptions as reality is another.

Still, I understand the reservations and can see as easily as you do how this thing, no matter how small or how exclusive originally, if it sought to grow, could draw on the TMF as the most obvious source of new members, and if something went awry, would spell disaster for the community as a whole.


2. Venray: Agreed, none have to participate in it if they don’t want to, but as I said much earlier, the use of the word “cult” sort of colors this thing in an unflattering way to people with knowledge of how cults work, and the term “cult” (however you may consider it inaccurate now, it was chosen by those involved, and that’s probably a large part of why we’re here) is frequently associated with a removal of choice. The hierarchical leadership structure proposed earlier does nothing to diminish that association and leaves many troublesome questions. And while it may not involve anyone of those who are here questioning the system (cults tend to leave that type out anyway), such consolations that “no one has to participate in any of it” fails to assuage the concerns among those of us who have friends we care about who may get involved. And this forum is largely about friends who care about each other. Friends should not deny friends freedom of choice, but the blade of “choice denial” (if that’s what you’re assuming this discussion is an attempt at) cuts both ways:

a.) A friend outside the cult trying to encourage those thinking of joining not to get involved.

b.) A friend inside the cult encouraging the new recruit to submit their will to those in the hierarchy.

For my friends, I cannot make their decisions, nor would I presume to, but I’ll always err on the side of caution when offering advice or debating the details of an idea that could influence them.

I’d condemn no choice of lifestyle, provided I knew it was a genuine choice they could freely make, and be free to change their minds about later without pressure, fear or coercion, should they choose (Some indeed, would rather not speak out against certain injustices in many scenarios for fear of hurting someone’s feelings. Imagine the fear of hurting a community. This is another power of cults.). But cults with centralized power structures aren’t often big on the whole “choice” thing anyway (unless the choice is given to the ranking members). And seeing as how our activity involves a power differential as a key feature, I’m given even more reason for pause. The power trip can too easily become the new “high”.


3. Rob: I assume you have no stake nor any concern in any of this, and watch bemused from the sidelines. Enjoy the show. If I didn’t care about this community or the people in it, I’d probably be laughing with you.


4. Lee: People do self-segment themselves regularly, but often in far more innocuous ways than creating an exclusive society, and submitting ones will to a high priest at it’s head. I think there’s a flaw in your argument as you seem to gloss over a rather significant difference between those who buy “Cat Fancy”, and those who join a secret organization, beholden to a charismatic leader, to worship Bast.


I’m not trying to be on any specific “side” of this, in case anyone’s mistaken. I voice my concerns wherever I have them, as I feel they are valid, and on issues where I feel my friends are going astray or can get hurt. I offer my criticism of the proposed leadership structure, and where necessary, will reiterate such concerns.

Do I expect those involved to give my thoughts any weight? No. I know better. And usually in cases like this, as in issues of politics and religion, and through the fault of none but how the human brain tends to work when offered a chance to reconsider engrained beliefs, those involved may know that they know what they’re talking about and no one but them could possibly have any better ideas. 🙄

I really don't like contentious debate here. I'm not interested in fighting with anyone. But the issue as presented raises concerns and among others than just myself.

What’s unfortunate is that while I think the kernel of the idea is well meaning: a wish to carry on the positive interactions and feelings that gatherings like NEST engender beyond the confines of the finite event -- an admirable goal -- it takes on an entirely different character when one starts placing upon it a tool of cults: A rigid hierarchy of “rings” and “circles” with a single charismatic leader heading a council of elders, the ranking system of which implies inequal freedoms among participants (No one wants a promotion if there’s no extra pay, but more responsibility... What incentive is there to achieve higher ranks if not for greater benefits? ...and at the cost of whom?). Yes, yes -- a ranking system is employed outside of cults, in the workplace and elsewhere, but do you really need it to go to the extremity described in the thread, with essentially a high priest?

Had this all been suggested as something akin to a commune with equal rights and privileges for all, and a more balanced governing/decision-making body, I’d have been far, far less concerned even were it to carry “cult” as a label. But when you start out with “cult”, whether you fancy it short for “culture” or whathaveyou, and then start adding features less evident of culture and more evident of dictatorship, you start losing the understanding of even those passionate about the same activities you are.

Heck, I'm not trying to "stop" the "cult", but maybe get the parties involved to reconsider their power structure, as I think it may actually be damaging to their goals of building a small, semi-permanent, private community within our larger, diffuse, public one.

Needless to say, I think there are better (and more inclusive as opposed to exclusive) ways to build greater trust, unity, and fellowship in a community than the structure proposed in the “’Cult’ Update” thread.

I hope all here can respect my concerns and tolerate my verbosity. 😀

I invite anyone to PM me with any view on this matter for discussion should they wish, as I think further public discussion may only inflame passions unnecessarily while getting nowhere. I will try to be brief in my responses.

Best to all.
 
Capnmad said:
What’s unfortunate is that while I think the kernel of the idea is well meaning: a wish to carry on the positive interactions and feelings that gatherings like NEST engender beyond the confines of the finite event -- an admirable goal -- it takes on an entirely different character when one starts placing upon it a tool of cults: A rigid hierarchy of “rings” and “circles” with a single charismatic leader heading a council of elders, the ranking system of which implies inequal freedoms among participants (No one wants a promotion if there’s no extra pay, but more responsibility... What incentive is there to achieve higher ranks if not for greater benefits? ...and at the cost of whom?). Yes, yes -- a ranking system is employed outside of cults, in the workplace and elsewhere, but do you really need it to go to the extremity described in the thread, with essentially a high priest?

Had this all been suggested as something akin to a commune with equal rights and privileges for all, and a more balanced governing/decision-making body, I’d have been far, far less concerned even were it to carry “cult” .

I agree with you entirely here..... Many are working exactly towards this goal...

Neither your concerns (nor shadows) should be laughed off or dismissed... I do not defend a society where choice and freedom of will are eliminated, rather a community setting where folks of like mind can leve together and explore why we are what we are....
 
To All Posters:

I think this whole thing got out of hand because it was difficult to find the line of reason in the cult thread to begin with. Certainly, had I come across a post that would have explained things the way Ray did, I would never have created this thread at all, nor would I have sounded off on the original thread.

I don't do this often, but when I do, I usually have a good reason, and its reaffirming to see that my concerns weren't arrived at in a vacuum of my own making. Those of you who posted here, saw much of the same thing.

Of course, now we are told that the true intentions are a far cry from the exaggerations and fanciful imaginings of the original thread, and quite frankly, I have no reason to doubt that. But at the time, there was no evidence presented to contradict my interpretation.

Anyway, I hope in the future that those interested in creating a "community" will be a bit more cautionary in their display of such ideology for public consumption. As we have all seen, its not diffi-CULT to get the wrong impression. (I'm sorry...really...I just couldn't resist) LOL
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3. Rob: I assume you have no stake nor any concern in any of this, and watch bemused from the sidelines. Enjoy the show. If I didn’t care about this community or the people in it, I’d probably be laughing with you.
WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH!!!
I happen to care very deeply about this community Ive been apart of for well over 10 years. Many people involved in this discussion are very good friends of mine, as well as those that posted and might have started the original thread.
The reason I find it so funny, is that people assume way to much.
I was going to say more....but out of respect for many members I will abstain.

Rob
 
ShadowTklr said:
As we have all seen, its not diffi-CULT to get the wrong impression. (I'm sorry...really...I just couldn't resist) LOL
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Shadow! You deserve to be punished for that! lol lol That was bad.

You know, I love seeing a discussion where there are varying views and the comments are lively. If they can express themselves in a mannor without being derrogatory, even if they dont agree, then its very healthy and stimulating. Thats what a forum should be about. As it was with Shadow and Ray. Maybe some some people on the forum (not necessarily in this thread) should learn a lesson or two from these two gentlemen on how to fight politely 😀.
 
Robace252 said:
WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH!!!
I happen to care very deeply about this community Ive been apart of for well over 10 years. Many people involved in this discussion are very good friends of mine, as well as those that posted and might have started the original thread.
The reason I find it so funny, is that people assume way to much.
I was going to say more....but out of respect for many members I will abstain.

Rob


Rob, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't care. I was only describing the conditions under which I'd feel inclined to join in the laughter, as I was taking the topic more seriously, I think. Having no concern about this particular issue does not by any means suggest you don't care about the community, but that you didn't see the potential danger we did.

Everyone here has the right to express themselves as they see fit, but it might be noted that things sometimes come more swiftly to conclusion when both parties engage in civil discussion and attempt to facilitate understanding rather than laugh raucously without other comment or bark like dogs.

Again, I didn't mean to offend, and hope I have not. As always, the invitation to PM me remains open, regardless of the situation, but especially in light of the fact that you feel an urge to say more.

Best to all.
 
Rob, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't care. I was only describing the conditions under which I'd feel inclined to join in the laughter, as I was taking the topic more seriously, I think.
Understandable. I appreciate the response and understand your reasons for posting.

Having no concern about this particular issue does not by any means suggest you don't care about the community, but that you didn't see the potential danger we did.
I can agree with that. Again I appreciate your POV on the subject.

Everyone here has the right to express themselves as they see fit, but it might be noted that things sometimes come more swiftly to conclusion when both parties engage in civil discussion and attempt to facilitate understanding rather than laugh raucously without other comment or bark like dogs.

Sometimes to me...again my POV is that things can be explained one way and make perfect sense, yet it takes several posts of the same nature to get to the point before an understanding is achieved.
My laughing was a way of bringing levity and perhaps a chance to look at something a little diffrently. Perhaps I should have expressed myself further but many people had done that and I didnt see the need in boreing everyone with yet another lenghty post that had been read before.

Again, I didn't mean to offend, and hope I have not.
Yes at first you did offend me, but now that I read your post..you have not.

As always, the invitation to PM me remains open, regardless of the situation, but especially in light of the fact that you feel an urge to say more.
Well it wasnt going to be any further statements about what I had precieved was a swipe at me...but kind of again a double standard that I see and how certain things tend to get out of hand.
But I abstained from doing so because of the respect I have for many members. Sometimes my opinion needs to stay that way....and I chose to keep it that way.

But thanks for the invitation....and my PM box is open as well, as long as it isnt full.....which has been a problem of late........

Rob
 
Sultrybrunette said:
Shadow! You deserve to be punished for that! lol lol That was bad.

You know, I love seeing a discussion where there are varying views and the comments are lively. If they can express themselves in a mannor without being derrogatory, even if they dont agree, then its very healthy and stimulating. Thats what a forum should be about. As it was with Shadow and Ray. Maybe some some people on the forum (not necessarily in this thread) should learn a lesson or two from these two gentlemen on how to fight politely 😀.


Well, if you're doing the punishing, that might not be so bad after all. lol

But, thanks Sultry. I consider this a relatively happy ending in that we had a chance to debate the issue and things didn't really get too far out of control - a mild flat spin, perhaps, but we pulled out of it together. This is one of the reasons why I have come to enjoy interacting with all of you here, and I think it gets better all the time.

Thanks again Sultry for your kind words. 😉
 
I second everything that Shadow just said....

(looking forward to meeting you and others at the next nest! )
 
DannyMc said:


Heh nother one, this is the song cult by slayer \m/

Opression is the holy law,
In God I distrust,
Italic monuments will fall,
Like ashes to dust,
It's war and creed the master plan,
The battle's where it all began,
It's propaganda shouts despair,
And sends this virus everywhere,
Religion is hate,
Religion is fear,
Religion is war.
Religion is rape,
Religion's obscene,
Religion's a *****.
The pestilence of Jesus Christ,
There never was a sacrifice,
No man who hung the crucifix,
Beware the call for purity,
Infections their facility,
I've made my choice,
666!
Carussa Green's a paedophile,
No praying for the priest,
Confession finds a lonely child,
Now preys on the weak,
You think your soul can still be saved,
I think you're fucking miles away
Scream out loud, heres where you begin,
Forgive me Father for I have sinned!
Religion is hate,
Religion is fear,
Religion is war.
Religion is rape,
Religion's obscene,
Religion's a *****.
The target's fucking Jesus Christ,
The one I'd love to sacrifice,
I'd nail him to the crucifix,
Beware the call for purity,
Infections their facility,
I've made my choice,
666!
Jesus is pain,
Jesus is gore,
Jesus is the blood that's spilled in war,
He's everything,
He's all things dead,
He's pulling down the trigger pointed at your head!
The fear your *something* to the front,
Revelation, Revolution, I see through your cracked illusion!
The war on terror just drags along,
My holy god it's growing strong,
It's propaganda shouts despair,
And sends this virus everywhere,
Religion is hate,
Religion is fear,
Religion is war.
Religion is rape,
Religion's obscene,
Religion's a *****.
There is no fucking Jesus Christ,
There never was a sacrifice,
No man upon the crucifix,
Beware the call for purity,
Infections their facility,
I've made my choice,
666!
 
I put that website only as a source of defining the word cult .
 
DannyMc said:
I put that website only as a source of defining the word cult .


I know, just felt like quotin a damn good song too by one of the best bands currently touring, who coincidentially released a song named cult

i coulda done "cult of personality" but my pockets were hurtin so i had to lay down
 
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