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Can women get past a guy being ugly, but not fat?

Looks aren't that important to me, it's more about how he treats me. If he's good looking, but has the most horrible attitude ever, I'll totally consider him the ugliest person I've ever met. The guy I'm dating now isn't like GQ material, but he's the hottest to me when he's the sweetest and we're totally compatible.
 
You sure about that, holmes?

Mizza and I were good friends for 4 years before we started dating, and we never hooked up, never had a one nighter, nothing.

You may want to reconsider what you wrote, Sandrock74.


If that is a picture of you and your girl. I would have to stick to my original post as well. By the looks of your shoulders I would say you fall into the lines of "fit." You look like some football players I used to know.
 
From my experience, I believe there is two kinds of fat when it comes to males in a woman's eyes. There is sloppy fat and "fit" fat. When I was in college, two guys come into my mind. Both were about three hundred pounds or so. One guy had all the chicks around him and the other guy never had women around him. One guy is what I would call "fit" fat and the other guy is what I would call "sloppy" fat.

Sloppy fat: This guy let his weight control his outward appearance. This guy usually tended to dress and eat like a slob. When he ate he it would fall on his shirt (which was never ironed.) He would wear his clothes one size too small or one size too big. Eats like food will be wiped off the earth by tomorrow and doesn't do much grooming to himself. He let his physical appearance fall where it may. Women will tend to be turned off by sloppy fat.

Fit fat: This guy didn't let his weight dictate his appearance. He was into sports and use his weight to his advantage. Like football or wrestling. He would eat large meals but in moderation. Kept himself looking neat and groomed. Wasn't looking for sympathy for his weight or does he consider it a handicap. He was fat but he still kept himself active in some kind of way. Women tend to be drawn to the in shape/out of shape fit fat.

There is a lot of logic to what you say.
Not everyone can be a Stephanie Rice or a Michael Phelps, its just not genetically possible for some people. But you can make the best with what you've got.
Thats the point I was trying to make myself. And its not hard to notice in a male or female if they really do take some pride in their appearance!!!
 
Of ugly and fat

Whether the guy is ugly, fat or doomed… his fate with women will always be determined by his actions, ATTITUDE, persistence and luck. If he finds a woman who will reciprocate his efforts and passion regardless of his liabilities, then he is lucky.

Now, if he is too damn ugly and there’s a dynamic, ravishing woman wildly chasing after him though the world finds the whole thing grossly unsuitable, leave it to the cows or call it love of love, but it’s called JACKPOT. Still there is no guarantee if he will die with a smile on the face. 😱

...and vice versa.
 
Ok, my turn.

Ok. I'm a big girl. Boom. There, I said it. I'm 5 foot 6 and 250 or so. *shrug* ((Go ahead and say something mean- I'll shoot you down.))

Honestly, weightism is a problem. It's as big a problem as sexism or racism was at one point though, thankfully, those issues are in the process of getting better.

I really like a larger guy. I find them far more attractive in general. I like thinner guys too. There are a lot of very sexy thin guys. I just feel more comfortable with a guy who can cuddle me and make me feel small and safe. ^_^

Let's not hate because of weight! I love you all for who you are!
 
Ok. I'm a big girl. Boom. There, I said it. I'm 5 foot 6 and 250 or so. *shrug* ((Go ahead and say something mean- I'll shoot you down.))

Honestly, weightism is a problem. It's as big a problem as sexism or racism was at one point though, thankfully, those issues are in the process of getting better.

I really like a larger guy. I find them far more attractive in general. I like thinner guys too. There are a lot of very sexy thin guys. I just feel more comfortable with a guy who can cuddle me and make me feel small and safe. ^_^

Let's not hate because of weight! I love you all for who you are!

Sweetheart...

It doesn't bother me. I think you're something special the way you are. I will alwys protect you. :Kiss1:
 
I've heard recently that while women are less visually stimulated than men in terms of what they look for in a mate, and can thus still find an ugly guy sexy if he has other things going for him, if the guy is fat that's a different story. Basically from what I've heard its because women feel a guy can only do so much about being ugly, but being fat (usually) is something he can control. And if he doesn't care enough to at least keep himself in reasonable shape, then he must have low self-esteem and all the baggage/issues that usually go with low self-esteem. Again, this is what I've heard as far as how women view fat/obese men. Any truth to it? As I read someone point out: there are dating services, magazines, etc that cater specifically to BBW's and the men who love/lust after them. When was the last time you heard of anything similar for fat men and the women who love/lust after them?

PS: of course all of this goes out the window if the guy is rich/powerful. I think it was Henry Kissinger who said "power is the ultimate aphrodesiac". But I'm concerned with the rest of us fat guys who aren't rich or powerful. I'm going to go eat something while I wait for some responses.

Hiya RMOG, and friends! :bunny:

Wow, there is some great insight in this thread! Everyone has some very interesting points to make.

But you know, being half caucasian, I have been the victim of prejudice in dating relationships before. And it hurts like hell. I mean really burns you inside when you find out that the way you are is what turns a guy off.

And yet, the experience has given me lots to think about. And while I totally have no time for prejudice in terms of job selection, citizenship, and general fair treatment in society, when it comes to things like who turns me on, I have to admit I find it baffling when men and women complain about who does not find them attractive.:idunno: I just don't get it.😕

The only thing I would ever say is that, in my experience at least, most men and women I have known discovered through dating that whatever trait the noticed on the surface at first (from physical appearance to perceived character) proved to be less than the whole picture of the other person. Guys who were not so cute turned out to be incredibly funny and full of confidence. Guys who were tortured souls turned out to be awesome kissers. and so on.

In the end, we have to accept that some of us simply find some outward or inward traits (interests, sense of humour, confidence, social standing etc) initially attractive and some things a turn off. it's totally personal and often quite emotional.

But in my experience, as long as you basically trust the person it's always worth going on a date or three - even with someone outside that inital comfort zone - just to see if there isn't a gem hiding in the rough. What's the worst that could happen?

--As for what the best is? Well, as a wedding consultant I can not tell you the number of stories I've heard about guys and women who discovered true love in someone to whom they at first would not even give a second glance!:woot::cupid:

I hope that adds something to this rich thread!🙂

Many blessings,
chickles:redheart:
 
all i know is that every girl says i'm an angle and so nice and sweet but that never gets me any where. don't ever get many women so i guess being disrespectful and mean or rude is what it takes to get a women. i see jerks get tons of women so i can say from my experience women don't want caring kind sweet guys. i think looks are important to most women not all i think they could give up some beauty not fat for money.....
 
all i know is that every girl says i'm an angle and so nice and sweet but that never gets me any where. don't ever get many women so i guess being disrespectful and mean or rude is what it takes to get a women. i see jerks get tons of women so i can say from my experience women don't want caring kind sweet guys. i think looks are important to most women not all i think they could give up some beauty not fat for money.....

Kyle sweety.. if I was not married... I would take you in a heart beat. You are the nicest person ever and have become one of my best freinds outside of this forum,,, any woman who get you will be very lucky.

Luvs ya Bro,
Lisa
 
all i know is that every girl says i'm an angle and so nice and sweet but that never gets me any where. don't ever get many women so i guess being disrespectful and mean or rude is what it takes to get a women. i see jerks get tons of women so i can say from my experience women don't want caring kind sweet guys. i think looks are important to most women not all i think they could give up some beauty not fat for money.....

At the risk of seeming blunt, maybe you should stop talking to girls and look for women to spend your time with! This doesn't apply to all young women, but many are really superficial IMO and are looking for the "hottie". Once the late 20s-early 30s start kicking in, they want a nice guy they can settle down with and start a family. When they get to my age, we're looking for nice-looking and not crazy!

Maybe you should start looking in other venues and at women a little older. Now do your part to look presentable because no woman wants sloppiness and a man who doesn't care from himself. Do the best with what you have and exude some confidence; fake it till' you make it baby! Things will start to change, trust me-just be patient.
 
In my experience... In general, men are more picky when it comes to looks than women are. I'm a big girl ((as stated above ^.^)) and a lot of guys either don't like me for that reason or they're afraid to like me for that reason. It's friggin' annoying! =.= I think I'm pretty friggin hot. ((I know it even! ^_~)) What is it about being overweight that almost totally pushes people out of the runnings?

Just a random rant. :justlips:
 
I think that's crap and I don't buy it honey.
Ever hear of Ron Jeremy?
XOXO

I have to go with RealManofGenius here.

I'm a heavy guy. And for some reason, that tends to turn women off, at least some of them. I guess they figure because I'm "physically degenerate," I must be sexually degenerate.

Any ideas?
 
At the risk of seeming blunt, maybe you should stop talking to girls and look for women to spend your time with! This doesn't apply to all young women, but many are really superficial IMO and are looking for the "hottie". Once the late 20s-early 30s start kicking in, they want a nice guy they can settle down with and start a family. When they get to my age, we're looking for nice-looking and not crazy!

Maybe you should start looking in other venues and at women a little older. Now do your part to look presentable because no woman wants sloppiness and a man who doesn't care from himself. Do the best with what you have and exude some confidence; fake it till' you make it baby! Things will start to change, trust me-just be patient.

thanks just not really a confident person i will try just like may hard for me to come out of my shell. thanks for your comments it helps later kyle
 
I don't know, it seems like he does all right for himself:
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The same question can be posed to the men as well, pertaining to women.

As far as the words 'ugly' and 'fat'; You're going to get different opinions from everyone. One person's ugly is another person's beautiful. One person's fat is another person's thick and luscious.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, women and men alike are going to act on physical appearance first, it's natural. The one's that take the steps to not rely only on image and seek for what's deeper will be rewarded with what they seek. Whether it be a lover, a relationship or just a friend.
 
Ah yes, a fat thread. Well isn't this fun? Thing is there's a key difference between being fat and being black/a woman/etc. And that is that being fat can typically be controlled. You usually aren't born fat, you become that way through bad eating habits and lack of physical activity. Yes I am aware this doesn't apply to everyone but then what does?

Now I'm not saying I hate fat people, I have nothing against them, as I see no reason why I should. But let's just be honest, most people are attracted to thinner people. It's just the way things are. I don't believe ugly people are particularly less discriminated against for how they look, but alot of it likely has to do with their overall physical appearance. They might have a kinda not so good face, but the body can be great and we all know how many guys love the T&A, assuming those stand out.

From personal observations, I don't think women discriminate against guys for how they look than men do towards women. Women are far more interested in what they get out of a guy in relationships other than sex typically. Unlike guys who immediately think about how hard they'd do them.

That said, fat people are still people of course, and deserve to be treated as such, as do anyone. Most people won't look for such a person to be with if they're going by physical attraction. So just show how much personality you have. Many people will see that fairly quickly if it's one that appeals to them. And if not, well, you're out of luck I guess.
 
Cold comfort.

...

Stray thought.

...

Nevermind.

^ C'mon your models sought you for sweaty sex no matter how you claimed you weren’t attractive then…+ you're sexy during hangovers...

Ah, do we need to doubt a snarkier and talented fellow? Artists never die on cold sheets.

Now, I’ll check the imp’s words on this. 😛 😀 😀
 
PS: of course all of this goes out the window if the guy is rich/powerful. I think it was Henry Kissinger who said "power is the ultimate aphrodesiac". But I'm concerned with the rest of us fat guys who aren't rich or powerful. I'm going to go eat something while I wait for some responses.


Could be worse...at least you're not a short guy. If there's women out there who actually wouldn't mind goin out with a guy who's only around 4ft 10in or 4ft 11in, I haven't met em.
 
Ordinarily I wouldn't show something like this, but this is a topic that I (unfortunately) happen to have quite a bit of experience with.

Me about 7 years ago:
profile2qu6.jpg


Me about 7 minutes ago:
scruffyts9.jpg

(please ignore the dirty mirror 😛 )


Now looks-wise I'm not exactly Brad Pitt or Prince Charming or anything... But still, one version of me seems, in my experience, to be significantly more popular with the opposite sex. Therefore, my answer to the question posed in the thread topic is "In most cases, yes." It still seems to really vary greatly from woman to woman, though. Some, bless their hearts, didn't really seem to mind the bigger version of me. :smilelove
 
Ordinarily I wouldn't show something like this, but this is a topic that I (unfortunately) happen to have quite a bit of experience with.

Me about 7 years ago:
profile2qu6.jpg


Me about 7 minutes ago:
scruffyts9.jpg

(please ignore the dirty mirror 😛 )


Now looks-wise I'm not exactly Brad Pitt or Prince Charming or anything... But still, one version of me seems, in my experience, to be significantly more popular with the opposite sex. Therefore, my answer to the question posed in the thread topic is "In most cases, yes." It still seems to really vary greatly from woman to woman, though. Some, bless their hearts, didn't really seem to mind the bigger version of me. :smilelove


So tell me, how do you stay so tan? 😀
 
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