Can't a Lee just be a Lee anymore?

[The_Raptor]

just be yourself,
i am strictly a lee,i didn't have one single damn fantasy about tickling somebody,and compared to average people i met and tickling fights i've been into my skills r shit and i'm usually the 1st one to surrender,does i have to nake a spell to be a switch like most people!!!!,or i become LAZY,i don't think i'll be myself then,i won't be good at it and of course i won't be happy and won't make other people happy,some people r just stupid u know life is full of variety and they have the right to be stupid so neglect'em and whatever u here or u say don't try to be anybody than urself!

 

[kis123]

Someone needs to meet the right "freak"......


Soon........😉

By the way, Kis....I "tied and wrapped up" your little So Cali "package" a while ago....😀


Your "gift" says to tell you "hello".....

Woo-hoo!

Holla' at me Cali!!! One of a very few reasons I look forward to 2007!

In all honesty, the jury's still out about bondage. It simply freaks me out-the loss of control is just too unnatural for someone with my personality. I've been curious, but not bold enough to try it. Well, at least not yet anyway.

 

[Sammi-chan]

I've been in that same situation, actually. I'm a lee. It's what I do. It's what I enjoy. I'll admit, that there're some friends out there who I've wanted to do something nice for, so I've tickled them back a time or two, but I did it out of kindness, not because it did anything for me.

I end up having to keep such things secretive because there're so many guys out there who've practically begged me to switch for them. Something I'm thoroughly not interested in. When you add that kind of pressure to something as enjoyable is tickling is supposed to be, it can hardly be fun for either person involved.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a 100% lee. But there is a problem when people have so much trouble accepting that that they try to change you.

 

[Excess]

Tamia, I just wanted to tell you one more thing that I don't think has been mentioned, and that is that sometimes it's not always obvious. What I mean is that when someone is wanting a lee to become more of a ler, for instance, they don't always outright express it, but rather, be subtle in a way to sway your opinion. Like say they don't care too much, but then leave little hints at "how great a ler you could be", or "how lering a big strong man can give you a feeling you'd never known". Not saying all are trying to, but I have seen it.

But yeah, just do what you want to do, and do it for YOU, and not because someone is making you feel that you should. It's one of the rules I live by, and it's one of the only things I don't regret.

 

[drew70]

My opinion probably won't be the most popular, but let's face it. When is it ever?

I used to absolutely refuse to Ler. Growing up, I was conditioned to regard the act of tickling as one that's intrinsically female, so in my mind, for me to Ler would be tantamount to dressing up in drag.

I'd probably still feel this way if not for the years of influence by the on line tickling community, and actual participation at gatherings. Instead, I'm trying to break out of this mindset and expand into Ler'ing.

One reason is because I feel that by only being a lee and refusing to Ler, I was effectly saying, "gimme gimme" without being willing to give back in return. I realize what a selfish attitude this is, and I want to divorce myself from it.

I've experienced some success in this endeavor. I've found that I'm not only able to Ler, but I actually enjoy it. My passion and delight is still to be tickled by females, but I find that if a lady wants me to tickle her, I'm happy to oblige.

Just one more thing, then I'll yield the floor to someone else. If I met with a lee who didn't feel confident in her Ler'ing ability, unless she's missing both her hands, I'm confident I could easily teach her what works on me, if she's willing to give it a try.

 

[Sammi-chan]

But what about those of us who have tried it and just don't like it? Is that to say that anyone who doesn't switch is completely selfish? I can understand your mindset given your background, but 'lerring isn't a completely selfless and giving act. I'm sure you can ask any ler around her and they'll tell ya, they get pleasure and enjoyment out of tickling someone else. There's a lot of doing-it-for-themselves that goes on.

I don't see anything wrong with enjoying one side of it and not the other. If a lee isn't somehow forcing people to tickle them, then I don't see how it's selfish.

 

[Excess]

But what about those of us who have tried it and just don't like it? Is that to say that anyone who doesn't switch is completely selfish? I can understand your mindset given your background, but 'lerring isn't a completely selfless and giving act. I'm sure you can ask any ler around her and they'll tell ya, they get pleasure and enjoyment out of tickling someone else. There's a lot of doing-it-for-themselves that goes on.

I don't see anything wrong with enjoying one side of it and not the other. If a lee isn't somehow forcing people to tickle them, then I don't see how it's selfish.

I certainly get enjoyment out of lering. And the answer is no. Thing is, I'm 100% ler, but I don't try to go way out of my way to convince a femler to lee to me. So, as such, I'd expect them to return the favor and not try to expect me to lee for them if I don't want to. It's not selfish, or atleast I don't think so, it's just being who you want to be.

 

[SharonP]

I just want to rudely interrupt here and point out that everyone here might be making incorrect assumptions. Because I know I did when I had a similar experience of someone vanishing on me. I won't go into details since I respect the privacy of the other person, but basically I was chatting with someone in chat who vanished right after I myself had been discussing ler/lee/switch stuff.
And, like Tamia, I assumed it was the other person not accepting me as me. But really, the other person just got booted. And came back eventually.

Another time someone vanished on me, and came back later, explaining that someone-- roommate or relative-- had come by and so the computer needed to go off quickly.

Which isn't to say that this is not a relevant thread-- there is much rudeness around here because so many people into tickle-torture have various anger and emotional issues. (Well, at least I do. 🙂 ) But don't just assume it's about you at all if someone suddenly vanishes or stops talking. It could be anything from a lost Internet connection to a spouse yelling at them to get off the computer.

 

[SlaverTickler]

It's "Jungle FEVER" Slaver! If you're going to pick with me, you know how I am about the spelling! 🙂

WHo's trying to pick with you, I didn't even know you were here. (Three snaps z formation) so there.

 

[the wiz]

Or is there something wrong with that? This isn't really a rant, but I'm finding myself having more conversations that go something like this.......

Random Person:"Hi"
Me:"Hi"
Random Person:"Are you a ler/lee?"
Me:"I'm strictly lee."
Random Person:"Oh, okay then"

And then I never hear from them again. What's the deal? Is it wrong for me to be a 100% lee? I just don't trust my ler-ing skills enough to actually call myself a switch. And besides that, I've experienced some GREAT ticklers, and I know I can't hold a candle to their skills!

Am I called lazy because I don't want to Ler? I don't think so. I just think any Lee that wants me as their Ler is in for a really horrible time, that's all. I love to be tickled, simply put. Can you be taught how to Ler? Just wondering.

--T

you can be my 100% lee anytime

 

[SmileyTkls]

Absolutely nothing wrong with being 100% lee at all, dear Tamia, or any other person. In fact, being a ler, I wholeheartedly encourage others to do so, and I also volunteer to assist you in that venture. 😉 I know, I know, what a giver. But, 'tis the season! 😀

 

[Tamia78]

Amazing...I never would think being just a "lee" would drive someone away! Totally unthinkable. I do think though it would be rather odd that a "lee" never engages in any pokes or fun tickles though...at least as an instigation technique!

peace out,
daddy

Oh, don't get me wrong, I instigate ALOT! I'm talking about tying someone down, and tickling the crap outa them.....I don't think I would be very good at it.

--T

 

[Tamia78]

I just want to rudely interrupt here and point out that everyone here might be making incorrect assumptions. Because I know I did when I had a similar experience of someone vanishing on me. I won't go into details since I respect the privacy of the other person, but basically I was chatting with someone in chat who vanished right after I myself had been discussing ler/lee/switch stuff.
And, like Tamia, I assumed it was the other person not accepting me as me. But really, the other person just got booted. And came back eventually.

Another time someone vanished on me, and came back later, explaining that someone-- roommate or relative-- had come by and so the computer needed to go off quickly.

Which isn't to say that this is not a relevant thread-- there is much rudeness around here because so many people into tickle-torture have various anger and emotional issues. (Well, at least I do. 🙂 ) But don't just assume it's about you at all if someone suddenly vanishes or stops talking. It could be anything from a lost Internet connection to a spouse yelling at them to get off the computer.

Well, Sharon,

In my experience these are people I haven't ever seen again in chat, as I don't spend all my time in there unless friends of mine happen to be in there. So, you may be right, it may not be about me. Of course, in my experiences they are still in the chat room and did NOT get booted, they just stopped talking to me. Good point, tho.

--T

 

[jaba]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I instigate ALOT! I'm talking about tying someone down, and tickling the crap outa them.....I don't think I would be very good at it.

--T

C'mon, T....admit it one time....just for jaba.....

Stand up from that chair and say, "hi, my name is Tamia......and I am a "horrible" tickler".....

You've got to admit the problem and cry out for help..*grins*.....

Listen, T....don't switch.....with that wonderful laugh you have, why would anyone want to hear anything else in a tickle session?

And if the men keep insisting on you being a ler, I know some ladies that have heard and love your laugh, and have told me they want to tickle you......strictly platonically, of course..... 😎

 

[MrMacphisto]

I've been in that same situation, actually. I'm a lee. It's what I do. It's what I enjoy. I'll admit, that there're some friends out there who I've wanted to do something nice for, so I've tickled them back a time or two, but I did it out of kindness, not because it did anything for me.

I end up having to keep such things secretive because there're so many guys out there who've practically begged me to switch for them. Something I'm thoroughly not interested in. When you add that kind of pressure to something as enjoyable is tickling is supposed to be, it can hardly be fun for either person involved.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a 100% lee. But there is a problem when people have so much trouble accepting that that they try to change you.

Good points.. I'm mostly a 'ler, but I enjoy both sides. I enjoy being a 'ler more, but I can see how you'd enjoy being a 'lee more. Either way, it works out pretty well for me that most women I've met were primarily 'lees.

I guess you've probably run across more 'ler guys, right?...

 

[sfticklegirl]

One reason is because I feel that by only being a lee and refusing to Ler, I was effectly saying, "gimme gimme" without being willing to give back in return. I realize what a selfish attitude this is, and I want to divorce myself from it.

I totally disagree with this! 'lers WANT to tickle! By being a 'lee you are infact giving them what they want. Most of them that i've encountered enjoy giving the tickling a lot. It's not give and take, it's symbiotic.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I totally disagree with this! 'lers WANT to tickle! By being a 'lee you are infact giving them what they want. Most of them that i've encountered enjoy giving the tickling a lot. It's not give and take, it's symbiotic.

Well I've said all I'm gonna say about this stuff. Tamia we love ya (well lust for me anyways), and if you want to stay a lee go ahead. If one day you want to take chrge and experiment with being a ler, thats cool to. You have to do what you comfortable with. Me I like doing the tickling, but I've often considered trying it he other way, if I do it'd be cool if you were one of them, if not so be it (you un gratful little b...). Now I'm going to go and watch my Dungeons and Dragon Cartoon Box Set (thats right I said Cartoon, tough shit if you think its dumb), so have a good night.

Love ya Kis

 

[Angel_2]

I am going to make this simple and to the point, if being a 100% Lee makes you happy T thats all that matters.

 

[deadlywiffeathr]

Now having said that, decent 'lering takes a combination of natural skills, learned techniques, and practice. So go practice

Bella

hey there, i'm an aspiring "ler" can u tell about some of these learned techniques pllleeeaassee!!!??

 

[TeeHeeLawrence]

Awwww...group hug!

What an absolutely AMAZING thread! <br> Tam's sweetly earnest plea for "complete 'lee" tolerance has been answered by so much downright good will--so apropos this Holiday season--that it makes me proud to be a member of this Forum.<p>Why, with Mimi and Ann taking Tam under their wings (Watch those feathers!), I'm certain that before long she'll be gleefully tying those knots and flashing those fingers upon hapless 'lees who THOUGHT they were safe in her presence.<p> Mods, let's set it up with PayPal now to raise funds for a 2007 TMF project to bring out Tamia's inner 'ler.<p>No-no, no need to thank us, Tam! The TMF looks after its own!