Do you think "our porn" has gotten more extreme over the years?

[duderino84]

Do you think "Birthday Cake" has gotten more extreme over the years?

Definitely. Definitely too much ice cream and the way cream and icing are applied are on an astronomical scale.

 

[oldgeezer]

Do you think "Birthday Cake" has gotten more extreme over the years?

Smooth change of subject, well done.
Now there is ice cream cake. They used to be separate.
Seems it has to be at the perfect temperature so that the cake is not too hard and the ice cream does not melt.

 

[duderino84]

Smooth change of subject, well done.
Now there is ice cream cake. They used to be separate.
Seems it has to be at the perfect temperature so that the cake is not too hard and the ice cream does not melt.

Then it's crap. Back in my day we could keep cake in 90 degree weather, and enjoyed it more even then..... 😛

 

[Myriads]

Ice cream is not cake. Period.

But C.A.B.'s point is valid. Things tend to get more and more bells and whistles added on as time passes, in hopes of keeping people interested and buying. Sometimes it stops being what it started as the process started.

Myriads

 

[duderino84]

Ice cream is not cake. Period.

But C.A.B.'s point is valid. Things tend to get more and more bells and whistles added on as time passes, in hopes of keeping people interested and buying. Sometimes it stops being what it started as the process started.

Myriads

Ah, so they did take our porn from us! 😀

 

[Myriads]

Ah, so they did take our porn from us! 😀

I assume humor, but will answer as if serious.

I believe that porn mutates with it's audience. As the audience becomes used to a level of material, things get pushed to farther extremes. This causes some people to get 'left behind' when the changes don't fit with what works for them, but it often picks up more people then were lost, as the wider definition sweeps up more folks.

B&D is a good example. 'Classic B&D porn' seems amazingly tame today. Things have gotten more and more extreme, ramping up to index and kink.com levels. But there is still a market for the classic DiD material, and clothed bondages, and artful shibari work and so forth.

There is drift, but old styles always live on within the drift, if at lower levels of production.

Myriads

 

[duderino84]

I assume humor, but will answer as if serious.

I believe that porn mutates with it's audience. As the audience becomes used to a level of material, things get pushed to farther extremes. This causes some people to get 'left behind' when the changes don't fit with what works for them, but it often picks up more people then were lost, as the wider definition sweeps up more folks.

B&D is a good example. 'Classic B&D porn' seems amazingly tame today. Things have gotten more and more extreme, ramping up to index and kink.com levels. But there is still a market for the classic DiD material, and clothed bondages, and artful shibari work and so forth.

There is drift, but old styles always live on within the drift, if at lower levels of production.

Myriads

It was joking.....but you gotta admit. Once an era is over, it's done. Just like "hardcore punk" isn't "hardcore" to the guys that grew up with it. Music is another art form constantly trying to win over the old school folks as well as impress the new school.

 

[Myriads]

It was joking.....but you gotta admit. Once an era is over, it's done. Just like "hardcore punk" isn't "hardcore" to the guys that grew up with it. Music is another art form constantly trying to win over the old school folks as well as impress the new school.

Your analogy is very good.

Most media (which some can and will call 'Art') is of its time. You can't go back to it, you can't recapture the feel of the material in the context of its time. At best you can echo it, pay homage or parody it. It will never be the same.

No one could remake the classic 90's Harmony videos today. Nothing would feel like they did then. We've seen beyond them. And you can't go back. "Our porn" is always there and is exactly the same as when it was made. But we, we have changed, and with our modern perspectives informed by what has followed the specific era of 'our porn' cannot see what we enjoyed the same.

I think you nailed the essence of the OP's question.

Myriads

 

[SoleMates]

There is a reason you said skimpy clothed or bikini clad and that is because if it was topless it would be considered porn.
Try finding a C4S site with topless boxing, topless mud wrestling, and most if not all of the tickling C4S sites and you will find under the refund policy reference to "18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements Compliance Statement" and the statement "All models appearing on this Website were 18 or older when the images were created". This is because they have to keep records providing proof the modes were at least 18 years of age at the time of production and this is because it is legally considered adult material. Also frequently referred to as porn. It may be less graphic then other forms of porn but it is still porn. You can't even convince yourself it's not porn that is why you said it is different than porn porn.

ANYTHING posted on Clips4Sale has to be 18USC2257 compliant because C4S is a porn site, and therefore anything sold through it is marketed as porn even if it's a woman wearing a snowsuit.

 

[BigJim]

No one could remake the classic 90's Harmony videos today. Nothing would feel like they did then. We've seen beyond them. And you can't go back. "Our porn" is always there and is exactly the same as when it was made. But we, we have changed, and with our modern perspectives informed by what has followed the specific era of 'our porn' cannot see what we enjoyed the same.


Myriads

So what does it make someone who wants to do exactly that and who can see why they enjoyed the same? (Apart from hopeless.)

 

[PQfingers]

Duderino84, I agree. Some of the content has a hard look to it.

 

[Myriads]

So what does it make someone who wants to do exactly that and who can see why they enjoyed the same? (Apart from hopeless.)

Sadly I do think it makes one a bit hopeless. In the same way that people who are always saying time 'x' is better then now, and how they wish they could be back in time 'x' and so on.

You can always look at the things from that time, enjoy memories, and so forth, but you can't live it again. Just like, having seen more extreme forms of tickling porn can't be unlearned. You will always see the stuff you thought best in comparison to what follows, which changes the experience of consuming it. You only got that 'pure' drink once.

Myriads

 

[Amnesiac]

Your analogy is very good.

Most media (which some can and will call 'Art') is of its time. You can't go back to it, you can't recapture the feel of the material in the context of its time. At best you can echo it, pay homage or parody it. It will never be the same.

No one could remake the classic 90's Harmony videos today. Nothing would feel like they did then. We've seen beyond them. And you can't go back. "Our porn" is always there and is exactly the same as when it was made. But we, we have changed, and with our modern perspectives informed by what has followed the specific era of 'our porn' cannot see what we enjoyed the same.

I think you nailed the essence of the OP's question.

Myriads

I kinda disagree. You can't go back to the collective zeitgeist of the period, but you can still replicate the aesthetic. One of the best 70s metal revivalists is The Sword, which sounds so close to what Sabbath was back in the day, you'd swear it WAS 70s rock. And Tarantino showed us that it was possible to shoot vintage accurately with the first half of Death Proof.

I'd also like to remind people that when we wax nostalgic, we're largely talking about the emotional memory of the thing we talk about. There's an excitement to our first taste of forbidden fruit that, much like a drug high, is the thing we keep chasing after by consuming more of it, or by lamenting the lack of excitement the new stuff gives us. And the whole reason we feel that way is because it's new. Even if today you were to go a long time without it and get yourself re-sensitized to the material, it STILL wouldn't affect you the way it used to. If a producer tried to replicate the aesthetic of the old way, you might THINK you'd gobble it up greedily, but you wouldn't, because a) it's not the girls you remember from the old videos, and b) without the sense memory of the old days, you'd be keenly aware of the "old fashioned-ness" of the video and realize how "boring" it is.

I think what everybody wants is for the old-fashioned semi-nude or fully-clothed tickling video of yore to have never gone out of fashion and still retain that quality that made it so enticing the first time around. But we've been exposed and experienced, and the aesthetic has changed, but because the look is the first thing we notice, we think THAT is the cause of the problem. But in truth, we can't be the people we were when those videos first came out...but we can still remember when we watch them again.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Back in the 80s and 90s, when all there was was VHS, nudity became pretty common over time. There was very little sexual content but that is because at the time it was generally not legal to mix bondage with over sex. It implied actual non conscentual action, not the fantasy concept we see now. Even if all parties agreed to it, legally, what it implied was too much of a risk. At least, that is how it was explained to me at the time. This was during and after the Meese Commission on Pornography and such, when there were still sodomy laws and selling dildos were a state offense in many places.

I'd also guess that naked tickling at that time was viewed as adult erotica and would fall under the legal category of "indecent", which has some legal protection. Straight-up sexual stimulation, with restraints involved, would have fallen closer to an "obscenity" definition which is outright t illegal.

 

[Rage]

This is a great post. I happened onto TMF when I was 16 or 17 back in 2001. I think during the EZ Boards days. While exploring the tickling world I happened on The Laughers page, ANA, Real Tickling, and Tickling Paradise. I managed to purchase Becky's Torment, Cop Koochie Koo, Maid to Tickle and a few of ANA's videos as well. I just enjoyed the raw tickling of very ticklish models. I went through a vibe to orgasm phase, but quickly grew out of it. Now I realized that I tend to buy more clips that don't have nudity or vibe to orgasm stuff as well. Evil Ticklers, Stuck in Stocks (mostly non nudity), there are a few others. But all in all I realized it has become a constant bombardment of "EXTREME TICKLISHNESS VIBE PUSSY HANDJOB RUINED ORGASM" etc....I just click past those.

 

[duderino84]

Just for the film guys that say it can't be recreated, you might want to check out "Hobo with a Shotgun". Clearly it isn't porn, but the whole movie just screams great quality with the intentional "b-rated" grit to it along with the 70s'ish (I guess?) soul/RnB soundtrack. Granted, the story is a bit cheesy (let's face it, the title is a dead giveaway), but it can still pull at your heart strings.

The budget in the films today (like it's always been) has mostly been on the models used. Which is why recreation of old film technique scenario will pale to "keeping it modern".

 

[hawkin]

I think we're getting a lot more of the "fake tickling" today, if you exclude Calstar who's almost all fake, most of the older studios had really ticklish girls tied down and tickled, sometimes pretty hard with focus on the tickling in itself.
Today, there's more focus on nudity and orgasms, which for many isn't what we're watching tickling clips for.

There's just something "too professional" about the newer clips these days. I guess some people prefer it that way, but I for one, love the amateur setting and unscripted tickling.

 

[Myriads]

I think we're getting a lot more of the "fake tickling" today, if you exclude Calstar who's almost all fake, most of the older studios had really ticklish girls tied down and tickled, sometimes pretty hard with focus on the tickling in itself.
Today, there's more focus on nudity and orgasms, which for many isn't what we're watching tickling clips for.

There's just something "too professional" about the newer clips these days. I guess some people prefer it that way, but I for one, love the amateur setting and unscripted tickling.

Ah yes, the longing for those wonderful days when you could spend $40 to $60 for a tape with no idea what was on it, what the quality was, or if the models were ticklish. It was indeed a golden age.

Cal Star, Vid Tech, Platinum all produced miles of 'tickling clips' that were horrid for various reasons. I'm not saying there wasn't the occasional gem in the pile'o'dung, but they were rare.

I sell comic books for a living. And there is a saying in my industry; "The golden age was when you were 12." Meaning that the comics that a person first encountered at a young age delivered a sense of wonder and freshness that you can never again experience. Your mind was a blank slate, and it was all new and bright and great. And as a result a real emotional resonance is formed with material of that period.

It's not different from how folks feel about tickling videos. There are no shortage of folks on this forum who have amazing fondness for Tickler in Blacks TC video output. It was the first stuff they saw. I'm sure lots of folks are still going to be hooked on Tickle Abuses material as 'the best there ever was' in 2025. It's all subjective to when you first came into the market, and what you encountered (with a modifier based on your specific expression of the tickling paraphilia) But the one thing that every person has is that there is only ONE first encounter. Only one time when it's all new and mind-blowing that you are seeing what you fantasized about right there on a screen. You can't get that exact feeling again. All that comes after is never as shiny and bright and good. Because it's not 'new. to you.

Add in the fact that product changes with time, in response to audience, and you get the 'Wow, things are so different in tickling videos' syndrome.

But that doesn't mean that the general type of material that you got hooked on does;t get made any more. There are still lots of houses tossing two ticklish girls at each other, and letting them tickle each other fully clothed. The big boys don't make it because it doesn't sell well enough to justify the cost to them but that doesn't stop others from making it. A lot of what Czech Tickling puts out has echoes of what the Tickler in Black used to do.

But to refocus on the OP's question.

Yes. Things are 'pornier' there is more sexual aspects in Tickling fetish videos. Why? Because people have come to accept that tickling to them is part of their sexuality, and want to see it joined with sexualized things. It's normal creep as a tangental paraphilia become integrated into a cultures more traditional sexual behaviors for the people that like the behavior.

Myriads

 

[BigJim]

Sadly I do think it makes one a bit hopeless. In the same way that people who are always saying time 'x' is better then now, and how they wish they could be back in time 'x' and so on.

You can always look at the things from that time, enjoy memories, and so forth, but you can't live it again. Just like, having seen more extreme forms of tickling porn can't be unlearned. You will always see the stuff you thought best in comparison to what follows, which changes the experience of consuming it. You only got that 'pure' drink once.

Myriads

Kind of weird though, because I was born an old fart. I was born with a kind of 1930's mentality in the 1970's. Set me up for a life of frigging "hopeless" that did.

When it comes to tickling though, there's only a few of the older stuff I actually think is good. It takes true quality to be able to get past the hairstyles....

There was one I remember that showed a woman clad in black leggings (rare for me as I'm a barefoot man through and through - also, she started out in what looked like white tennis shoes but lost them as the vid went on) and some sort of white apron being tickled by a guy who must have been her real life partner or husband or something. The chemistry they had (they were kissing from time to time throughout the video too) was undeniable and kind of hard to fake with the quality of the "actors" who usually star in tickle vids.

I would love to see if that video was on sale somewhere on C4S, like a LOT of old Calstar ones are, like Happy Woodcutter.

Does it sound familiar to anyone? She was bound on her back on what looked like a coffee table in a lounge of a normal home, if that is any use.

 

[BigJim]

Ah yes, the longing for those wonderful days when you could spend $40 to $60 for a tape with no idea what was on it, what the quality was, or if the models were ticklish. It was indeed a golden age.

Cal Star, Vid Tech, Platinum all produced miles of 'tickling clips' that were horrid for various reasons. I'm not saying there wasn't the occasional gem in the pile'o'dung, but they were rare.
Myriads

That is of course VERY true, but when combined with the C4S store with a preview function (like Calstar's are) it becomes a bit easier to browse the old stuff with more discernment about buying.

 

[BigJim]

This is a great post. I happened onto TMF when I was 16 or 17 back in 2001. I think during the EZ Boards days. While exploring the tickling world I happened on The Laughers page, ANA, Real Tickling, and Tickling Paradise. I managed to purchase Becky's Torment, Cop Koochie Koo, Maid to Tickle and a few of ANA's videos as well. I just enjoyed the raw tickling of very ticklish models. I went through a vibe to orgasm phase, but quickly grew out of it. Now I realized that I tend to buy more clips that don't have nudity or vibe to orgasm stuff as well. Evil Ticklers, Stuck in Stocks (mostly non nudity), there are a few others. But all in all I realized it has become a constant bombardment of "EXTREME TICKLISHNESS VIBE PUSSY HANDJOB RUINED ORGASM" etc....I just click past those.

Spot on. Couldn't agree more with these sentiments. And my proclivities remain that way to this day. I didn't "evolve" into the new style and I doubt I'll be doing so. Perhaps that is why I own so many Czech clips, as Myriads says.

 

[Rage]

Just for the film guys that say it can't be recreated, you might want to check out "Hobo with a Shotgun". Clearly it isn't porn, but the whole movie just screams great quality with the intentional "b-rated" grit to it along with the 70s'ish (I guess?) soul/RnB soundtrack. Granted, the story is a bit cheesy (let's face it, the title is a dead giveaway), but it can still pull at your heart strings.

The budget in the films today (like it's always been) has mostly been on the models used. Which is why recreation of old film technique scenario will pale to "keeping it modern".

Hobo With a Shotgun is badass. Black Dynamite is another new school, but old school movie I love! I've often thought to myself if I could afford better equipment and had more time I'd do tickling videos, but more the vain of truly ticklish girl next door types. One thing I loved about ANA was Andre's bondage style. It wasn't super elaborate, but damn effective. Czech tickling is pretty cool. They do a lot of that vibe stuff, but their women are suuuper ticklish and aren't always naked and they have some hot ass feet!...now I'm going to watch some clips after I post this...haha

Just a mini rant, which I realize is a little off topic, but sometimes the models we see today are a bit too young looking. Not saying they are young, but seems like they are chosen for those ultra youthful features. It's like some companies go for that "she could be your daughter" or "the girl scout selling cookies" creepy vibe. Where as the older companies seemed to emphasize WOMEN being tickled not girls. Maybe those companies are getting requests from guys in that younger age demographic as well. Anyhow, that's just my two cents on that. Don't mean to hi-jack.

 

[BigJim]

Just a mini rant, which I realize is a little off topic, but sometimes the models we see today are a bit too young looking. Not saying they are young, but seems like they are chosen for those ultra youthful features. It's like some companies go for that "she could be your daughter" or "the girl scout selling cookies" creepy vibe. Where as the older companies seemed to emphasize WOMEN being tickled not girls. Maybe those companies are getting requests from guys in that younger age demographic as well. Anyhow, that's just my two cents on that. Don't mean to hi-jack.

That used to be what I liked best. Ember of Magic Touch was 18+ two months when Jeff first shot her being tickled and I seriously had the Salmon & Prawn for her, but the other day I watched an old clip I had of hers (RIP love!) and I felt vaguely unclean. I then realised that I was officially an old fart of thirty five, not the twenty three year old I'd been when I first saw her.

 

[Oddjob0226]

When tickling videos were young and new around the turn of the Millennium (that mythical time of 14 years ago when all our iconic videos came out), there wasn't a great deal of selection, so we took what we could.

Oh, you mean the mid 1980s, like 25 to 30 years ago.

 

[BigJim]

Oh, you mean the mid 1980s, like 25 to 30 years ago.

Meh, there were videos that came out in the 70's that had tickling in them. I think he means when specialist companies started doing them in this place. The RT and some of the MT vids were a level of atmosphere above and beyond anything Cal Star managed.