Do you think pro subs/switches/doms should be honest when they register here?

[jaba]

I apologize..... I thought this was the "tickling discussion" section.....

as the original poster of this thread, i am requesting that once someone has posted their opinion, please refrain from further posting and reiterating it. it just clogs the thread with unnecessary posts between people that are never going to agree. jaba, please stop replying to EVERYONE that may post here and agree with me. anyone else, please dont post and reply to jaba that you AGREE after youve already posted your opinion. people lets please limit this thread to votes and to let people have their own opinion and leave it at that. jaba your opinion is WELL KNOWN on this. its enough ok? you notice that i did not post BASHING last laugh? he has his opinion, i have mine, let it be. please people, one vote, one post with an opinion and then lets move on. noone is going to change anyones mind by restating their opinion in 30 threads over and over, including this one. and PLEASE STOP POSTING THAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE A FORUM REQUIREMENT. WE DO NOT. ALL PEOPLE ON MY SIDE ARE SAYING IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE HONEST AS HUMAN BEINGS, NOT THAT IT SHOULD BE A FORUM RULE. please remember that "should" and "shall" are two totally different words and mean totally different things.
now lets end the "you guys want to be forum police" posts now. the mods run this forum, and they say that people can be dishonest through their teeth on here and they dont care and i am fine with that. this is the internet; people are dishonest, hide behind fake names, hide their intentions, act like things they are not, etc etc etc...i KNOW THIS.
i am simply at this point asking for peoples OPINIONS and nothing more.

I apologize for expressing and clarifying my points on your thread in the "tickling discussion" section....of OUR forum....

you are right, dtrell....although this is OUR tickling discussion forum, this Is YOUR thread, so I guess YOUR rules should apply.....these are your toys, even though it's OUR playground....NO MATTER what the moderators say, right?

but just for clarification before I leave...

NO ONE else, BUT YOU, is allowed to make and discuss any RELEVANT, ON TOPIC issues, in YOUR thread, (particularly if the statements disagree with your point of view), and address any contradictory statements, on the topic that you raised here in OUR "Tickling Discussion" Section?

And if I disagree with you, then I should just create my own thread here, in OUR "Tickling Discussion" section, with exactly the same title and topic, but with an ADULT SIZED, mature policy that ALL RELEVANT opinions are WELCOME, for discussion, in OUR "Tickling Discussion" section?

I think WE ALL know whats really going on here, dtrell....... 🙂

jaba made you angry, and broke your secret "no disagreement with dtrell" rule....

and now jaba can no longer play with dtrells "polls", AND "toys".....


But this is STILL our playground, trell......have fun with your "ONE POST unless it agrees with dtrell" thread......you really should grow up...I mistakenly thought you were more mature than that.....this is pretty petty and childish.....bye.......

 

[The Last Laugh]

I would absolutely agree with honesty if asked. but I thought the issue was forcing people to say things at the outset that may not be relevant for any other interactions that they might have.

I'm really glad you posted that. You're entirely right, of course. The thread was being reduced to simply agreeing that truth is a good thing (which goes without saying), when it's really not the point that's being debated.

 

[dtrell]

im not even going to get into it with you. your last post speaks for itself...doesnt need any clarification from me. and im sorry, i didnt know it was YOUR playground and YOU own it. thanks for filling me in. more opinions on the topic of this thread are always welcome and will not be met with sarcastic, making up of points not actually stated in the post, derision...

 

[dtrell]

I'm really glad you posted that. You're entirely right, of course. The thread was being reduced to simply agreeing that truth is a good thing (which goes without saying), when it's really not the point that's being debated.

yes it is. the whole point of the thread is about truth and honesty and whether it matters to people on here or not. thats why it is a poll.

 

[jaba]

thanks for the clarification......

Conversation will not be limited to one reply per member. This is a discussion forum. Members are free to discuss as long and as much as they wish as long as they stay within the rules. Authorship of the thread does not accord any rights to the flow of the thread other then defining the topic.

Myriads

thanks, Myriads, but dtrells rules here are really too petty and immature in this thread for me, for any healthy debate and discussion to take place in our "tickling discussion" section....

I personally believe that this thread was just created out of immature spite, but thats just my opinion, and as such is a violation of the "thread creators "one opinion post only" rule.....

but thanks for trying to foster a healthy, "adult sized" debate here....unfortunately that's not what detrell wants, and out of respect for his thread, I will comply....

but thanks......we all need to know the REAL, TRUE TMF rules....

 

[The Last Laugh]

yes it is. the whole point of the thread is about truth and honesty and whether it matters to people on here or not. thats why it is a poll.

Nope. Go back and read your original post. That's not what it says at all. Besides, you can't seriously tell me that all you were asking was whether people think telling the truth is good. What is this, Sesame Street?

 

[dtrell]

you are wrong. this is what i posted:

"so anyway the question is simple, answer yes if you agree that they should be honest about why the registered, or answer no if you are ok with them acting as if they are seriously interested in our fetish and only being interested in the monetary gain they can get from it. either way i am curious as to others opinions."

i realize that you are in montreal and may be better with french canadian than english, so let me summarize the above further: "should pro subs/switches/doms be honest why they are posting or do you not care if they are dishonest". my "no" choice is simply a specific form of being dishonest. thats all. its still a choice between caring about honesty and not caring about it in regards to them posting in the forum. nothing more, nothing less.

and so you know also, there is a difference between dishonesty and lying. it is entirely possible to be dishonest without ever actually telling a lie.

 

[jaba]

what happened to the "one vote, one opinion and move on" rule?

as the original poster of this thread, i am requesting that once someone has posted their opinion, please refrain from further posting and reiterating it. it just clogs the thread with unnecessary posts between people that are never going to agree. jaba, please stop replying to EVERYONE that may post here and agree with me. anyone else, please dont post and reply to jaba that you AGREE after youve already posted your opinion. people lets please limit this thread to votes and to let people have their own opinion and leave it at that. jaba your opinion is WELL KNOWN on this. its enough ok? you notice that i did not post BASHING last laugh? he has his opinion, i have mine, let it be. please people, one vote, one post with an opinion and then lets move on. noone is going to change anyones mind by restating their opinion in 30 threads over and over, including this one. and PLEASE STOP POSTING THAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE A FORUM REQUIREMENT. WE DO NOT. ALL PEOPLE ON MY SIDE ARE SAYING IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE HONEST AS HUMAN BEINGS, NOT THAT IT SHOULD BE A FORUM RULE. please remember that "should" and "shall" are two totally different words and mean totally different things.
now lets end the "you guys want to be forum police" posts now. the mods run this forum, and they say that people can be dishonest through their teeth on here and they dont care and i am fine with that. this is the internet; people are dishonest, hide behind fake names, hide their intentions, act like things they are not, etc etc etc...i KNOW THIS.
i am simply at this point asking for peoples OPINIONS and nothing more.

just to be clear.......

your "one vote, one post with an opinion and lets move on" rule only applies to the rest of us, but not to you?

despite YOUR OWN admonition, YOU get to clarify your position, and reiterate and respond as much as you like here......it's just that the rest of us (particularly jaba ) are not allowed to do the same?

I just want to be clear..... 😎

 

[The Last Laugh]

you are wrong. this is what i posted:

"so anyway the question is simple, answer yes if you agree that they should be honest about why the registered, or answer no if you are ok with them acting as if they are seriously interested in our fetish and only being interested in the monetary gain they can get from it. either way i am curious as to others opinions."

i realize that you are in montreal and may be better with french canadian than english, so let me summarize the above further: "should pro subs/switches/doms be honest why they are posting or do you not care if they are dishonest". my "no" choice is simply a specific form of being dishonest. thats all. its still a choice between caring about honesty and not caring about it in regards to them posting in the forum. nothing more, nothing less.

There's really no need to be patronizing and insulting. You know perfectly well that my English, while maybe not 100% perfect, is just fine, and that I'm fully capable of understanding what you wrote. Even if I did misunderstand, it would have nothing to do with the fact that my everyday language is not English. Had it been said otherwise it wouldn't have been a big deal, but it's quite clear that you meant it in a demeaning way. Pretty low of you, Dtrell. You wouldn't happen to be racist too, by any chance?

It's pretty obvious from some of the other replies in this thread that I'm not the only one who interpreted your question as I did. I think the reason is that it's exactly what you meant, and now you're claiming otherwise because most people who answered "yes" misinterpreted your original question or the posts that followed, and you're hoping to keep them on your side. Sad.

and so you know also, there is a difference between dishonesty and lying. it is entirely possible to be dishonest without ever actually telling a lie.

Of course it is. Lying by omission, for example. But just because you're not saying everything about yourself when it's not relevant doesn't make you dishonest. I don't understand why you can't accept that. If I'm selling a video but don't bother mentioning, say, how much I paid the models in the description, does that make me dishonest?

By the way, I find the differences between the version of your message posted here and the one I got by email rather interesting. Like how you initially thought I was French and tried using that to belittle me, before realizing I actually live in Canada (and don't you know that Montreal is a bilingual city?) Also, to answer your question, I'm sorry, I've no idea if they have Sesame Street in France.

In any case, that's it for me. You're just not worth it. I'm unsubscribing from this pointless thread.

 

[dtrell]

i wasnt belittling you. i confused you with the tickling france guy that makes videos. i immediately edited the post once i noticed you were from montreal. and i wasnt being patronizing, you totally misunderstood my initial post and i was pointing out that it may be because of a language barrier. and if you notice, i said PHYSICALLY telling a lie...which means making an actual statement that is a lie, NOT lying by omission. to me, lying by omission is being dishonest, and lying means telling an actual lie. other people may not look at it that way, but thats how i do. and please dont quote posts that were never actually left before they were edited and corrected just to try and get the mods mad. i cant help it you immediately got an email, it was never meant to be on the forum that way because it wasnt correct.

id also liek to thank everyone that has voted so far, and the results are 50/50 so far, which is just about how i figured it would be. and please continue to post your opinions, i am very interested in hearing what everyone thinks.

 

[jaba]

There's really no need to be patronizing and insulting. You know perfectly well that my English, while maybe not 100% perfect, is just fine, and that I'm fully capable of understanding what you wrote. Even if I did misunderstand, it would have nothing to do with the fact that my everyday language is not English. Had it been said otherwise it wouldn't have been a big deal, but it's quite clear that you meant it in a demeaning way. Pretty low of you, Dtrell. You wouldn't happen to be racist too, by any chance?

It's pretty obvious from some of the other replies in this thread that I'm not the only one who interpreted your question as I did. I think the reason is that it's exactly what you meant, and now you're claiming otherwise because most people who answered "yes" misinterpreted your original question or the posts that followed, and you're hoping to keep them on your side. Sad.



Of course it is. Lying by omission, for example. But just because you're not saying everything about yourself when it's not relevant doesn't make you dishonest. I don't understand why you can't accept that. If I'm selling a video but don't bother mentioning, say, how much I paid the models in the description, does that make me dishonest?

By the way, I find the differences between the version of your message posted here and the one I got by email rather interesting. Like how you initially thought I was French and tried using that to belittle me, before realizing I actually live in Canada (and don't you know that Montreal is a bilingual city?) Also, to answer your question, I'm sorry, I've no idea if they have Sesame Street in France.

In any case, that's it for me. You're just not worth it. I'm unsubscribing from this pointless thread.

yeah, I also got that original dtrell e mail, which is different from his post here....

and I was wondering what the heck his condesending "Sesame Street in France" crack had to do with his original post?

I thought I was the only one here who recognized the patronization, but failed to find the relevance of that statement by dtrell....this thread is spiraling out of control, all over the place..... 😎

 

[dtrell]

its simple. it was a statement at the end of my post. it had nothing to do with patronizing anyone. i THOUGHT he was the guy from france, he mentioned sesame street, and i was simply asking if they had sesame street in france. try rereading the email you both seem to have gotten and please notice where that line is and the context it is in. i am officially done responding to both of you.

and thank you jaba for also trying to get the mods mad (i thought you were out of this thread btw) , as if they dont like me enough already, by bringing up things that i corrected immediately by editing my post once i realized he wasnt the guy from france. again i say there was no intent in the original other than to try to correct what i thought was a language barrier problem. the sesame street statement was just simply something i would have been surprised about from someone from eruope. nothing more nothing less. i had no idea about people getting emails of posts, because i have never done that on here. i read posts only on the forum. i guess ill have to make sure of EVERYTHING before i make an actual first post, because immediate edits dont matter if they are going to go out anyway.

i am now done replying to you or LL and will not be provoked into doing so again. now lets please get on to other's opinions and votes.

and to anyone that wants to post their opinions on here, i will not be replying to them, other than to post a thank you, as i started doing after jabas first post, before i was provoked into posting more than i originally wanted to or had intended for this thread.

 

[WheresThe Clip?]

Why not broaden the debate here, and say anyone who makes video clips or runs a Tickling Company are really on here to get our money and nothing else. All their opinions on Tickling are obviously tainted (and a front) because they want our money (which is why I get my own back on them by only downloading the free clips).

The thing is Mr Dtrell, you need to think out of the box on this, and you will find that in the real non fetish vanila world, nearly every form of sexual encounter has some type of financial back story to it. After all do you see many beautiful women with poor penniless guy. Lets face it woman don't say I am marrying you because you have a big house, sports car, a big stash in the bank, and a top job. No what they say is I am marrying you because you a really interesting person who I fell in love with.

Or to put it another way, the real world is tainted so why should Tickle World be any purer.

 

[dtrell]

hi wherestheclip. thank you very much for your post and welcome to the forum. i love the name by the way. did you vote?

 

[StephanieLocke]

Dear Dtrell,

It's a shame this post has gotten so vitrulent. I voted yes, and I stand by that. That said, coming to the Forum for me is definitely NOT about the money.

I do less than a handful of tickling sessions a year, certainly not enough to justify the amount of writing I've done over the years. I also sell very few tickling videos, I realize that may be because I do f/m tickling, and that over time the statistics may change, as I tickle more females on video....


You may not realize this, in this new world of NEST and Tickle Gatherings, but once upon a time, ticklers/lees were very shy and rarely if ever ventured into a professional dungeon. I can say this with authority, because I owned various S&M establishments over the years and the ticklers were shyer than even those into spanking.

Now that the internet has opened things up (THANK YOU TMF!!!) there's tons of social play and outlets, which suprisingly enough, has brought more people to play in professional dungeons, perhaps because people aren't as closeted anymore and having socially played with people, they're ready to allocate funds for private one on one time.

It just means we're all becoming more comfortable with our fetish. I love to tickle, but I ADORE giving Pink Bellies... And I will do both whenever I can without money exchanging hands. What I like about the occasional tickling session is that when you emerge on my doorstep, you KNOW you're going to have to take intense tickling and I know that except for giving you time to breath, stop panicking, fighting the ropes, etc., I shall be tickling you the entire while and you've given me permission to really take the tickling further than I might to in a social setting where there are lots of people I intend to tickle and only so much time I can spend on each one.

I haven't been to a Social Gathering in Los Angeles in months, it's true, but then again, breaking your arm in two places, it takes awhile before you post, let alone feel ready to tickle. A good tickling often involves struggle on the part of the lee, and that was a bit much for my arm until recently.

I would like to mention that the Los Angeles Social Gatherings have involved paying the women over at Passive Arts a small fee to join in. I have NEVER been paid to participate and I even hosted a barbecue in my garden for the first two parties all on my own dime.


Anyway, Oh Fierce One, Whose Postings Have Made Me Nervous In The Past, I send much love your way.

Stephanie

 

[dtrell]

hi mistress stephanie...thank you very much for providing your opinion, and for voting yes. that means a lot coming from someone who has been in the profession as long as you have. and yes, from day one on this forum you have always stated who you are and what you do and i have always respected you for it. i also have first hand knowledge that you have not only participated in gatherings but hosted them as well, as you stated, since i met you at the first tickle gathering at PA. even though tickling isnt your main bag, you are definitely a member of this community, especially since you are willing to play with others for no monetary gain as you did at PA. thanks for giving your opinion and voting.

 

[Kalamos]

I think the poll is too simplistic.
It's either all A, or all B.
No middle ground.

Honesty is usually laudable, and could help in finding what people really want.
A pro domme might want to advertise, so as to avoid misunderstandings, or actively attract new clients.
But *requiring* it, is another matter altogether.

Reading through the replies, the whole poll sounds like some kind of personal issue, like a date gone wrong as the lady turned out to be a professional escort out for money alone.

Sadly, tertium non datur.

 

[primetime]

here's what i dont get about this thread. what are people being dishonest about?

this is from my point of view and i didnt vote because i really want to understand what this thread is about.

if someone comes onto this forum to engage in tickling activities and get paid for it, that's their prerogative and i wish i could make money from tickling somehow. why is it so horrible for a Dungeon employee to come to this forum and drum up business? they must like tickling to some degree as they are allowing themselves to be tickled or to tickle. there are some Doms/Subs that have absolutely NO interest in tickling at all. those same people do not come to this forum and advertise themselves either.

i think it is a great idea for the Doms/Subs to come to this forum and try to make money. how else do you advertise for free to a huge forum of people? just because they do not post frequently or disappear for an extended time doesnt make them less of a community member than Milagros (for example) who has 50 billion posts (he should reach that plateau by next week...lol). i remember my wrestling/tickling series and there were people who were members for years, never posted, but they posted only to my story. do i think of them as "lesser" community members? no. do i think they are being dishonest? no. hell, i havent posted as much lately, just lurked a whole lot. things happen for people.

so, Dtrell, you're a decent guy. i enjoyed meeting you at the gatherings (you're a damn good tickler), but what specifically did these people do that you consider dishonest?

 

[dtrell]

if someone comes onto this forum to engage in tickling activities and get paid for it, that's their prerogative and i wish i could make money from tickling somehow. why is it so horrible for a Dungeon employee to come to this forum and drum up business?

never said it was. they can post here and drum up business to their hearts' content for all i care. as ive stated, i use their services myself. its not even part of this thread as to whether or not they should be allowed to post here or drum up business here.
thank you for not voting if you dont understand the question. i appreciate your post.
i like you prime, and i also enjoyed meeting you at PA. thanks for the compliment as well. ill state one last time just for you the reason for this thread. it is my opinion that if a pro sub posts on here and acts as if they are in love with tickling and act as if they really want to be a community member, but their only participation interest is to get guys to come see them and bring money, then they should (again, not SHALL or MUST) state that they have no interest in tickling other than at their job and with cash in hand (as shannon in florida has done), and have no interest at all in meeting anyone outside of their job for sessions (unpaid, as mistress stephanie will do) attend munches, gatherings or whatever. the poll is basically do you agree with that or not. i hope that helps.

 

[StephanieLocke]

Primetime, you are such a gentleman. I've enjoyed our every social interaction. I want you to know that I wish you could make money from tickling as well.

Ladies, Primetime is GORGEOUS! Absolutely gorgeous, knows what he's doing, and very smooth. Should any of you have the fantasy of flying a man cross country to tickle you...I would recommend Primetime.

You Wouldn't Be Disappointed,

Mistress Stephanie Locke

p.s. Primetime, have you thought about starring in movies?

p.p.s. Dtrell, thanks for writing back to me.

 

[dtrell]

Honesty is usually laudable, and could help in finding what people really want.
A pro domme might want to advertise, so as to avoid misunderstandings, or actively attract new clients.
But *requiring* it, is another matter altogether.

honesty is ALWAYS laudable.
like primetime, i dont think you understand the question or the options, and i thank you for not voting if you dont. i also never said it should be a requirement that they state anything. the poll is not MUST they state it, the poll is SHOULD they, in people's opinions, make it known that they have no interest in the community other than the money they can make from it. again, "should" and "shall" or "must" are totally different words with totally different meanings. but i thank you very much for posting in the thread.

 

[primetime]

hey Dtrell, could you help me understand what you are trying to discuss? why was this thread started?

as for Mistress Stephanie Locke, thank you for the kind words and if any woman wants to fly me across the country to tickle them, well, i am at your service...

Mistress, we all miss you at the gatherings and i hope you can attend the next one....

 

[dtrell]

prime i edited my last post to you, to explain as best i could. let me know if you need any other info.

 

[asutickler]

There are men on this site who registered as women, and attempt to pass themselves off as such. There are people who maintain multiple identities on the site for all sorts of different reasons. Given the size of the site (almost 50,000 members) it is also statistically probable that we have several convicted felons and sex offenders roaming the boards... But none of them have come forward to let everyone know.

Would it be nice if everyone here was perfectly forthright and honest about their identity and intentions? Sure it would... But that just doesn't happen amongst large groups of people in the real world, and it certainly doesn't happen on the internet.

Personally, lack of disclosure in regards to a person's "professional" kink activities doesn't particularly bother me. If they're just here to draw in customers, people will realize it soon enough on their own. In fact, lots of people here would probably think its cool to have someone from the forum that they could pay to tickle or be tickled by. Its also not like others wouldn't do the same thing if given a chance - Hell, if some lady wanted to pay me to tickle her, I'd probably do it. (And I work cheap, btw. 😉 )

 

[dtrell]

thank you for posting asu, for giving your opinion, and for voting. and dont forget, there are also women on here registered as men.