Drugs Discussion

[jugner]

Wouldn't it be nice if they could get help for their disease, rather than being thrown in jail?

Nope. Like you said, it's everyone's choice. It's not something you're born with , it's a personal choice, yes you should be treated, but being against the law helps at least somewhat as a deterant.

 

[BigJim]

Wouldn't it be nice if they could get help for their disease, rather than being thrown in jail?

And I've also seen the faces of the vastly more numerous recreational users who enjoy themselves responsibly and move on.

Alcoholism is real - but alcohol is legal. And alcoholics increasingly have access to the help they deserve.


The problem of undercover cops at raves is uniquely American. Security at a Canadian rave is generally much more concerned with catching weapons than drugs, and will often remove someone with large quantities of drugs without even notfiying the police. The police have even attended a rave I played at in Toronto simply to make sure everyone was safe and being responsible, then left after seeing everyone in capable hands.

The addictive properties of alcohol are both lesser than narcotics and less complicated. Someone who srats out drinking beer is far less likely to move onto an uncontrollable addiction to poteen than a cocaine user who moves onto heroin.

Yes, people should definately get help. I agree it should be easier to locate. I also agree that the US has what I'd consider strange sentencing laws for mere users. I don't have a problem admitting that. I also don't mind admitting however that I think we should crucify people who have become so lost in the maze that they rob people to fund their habit and ESPECIALLY dealers.

 

[jk666uk]

asutickler suples bigjim

its up to me what i do with my life
and if you boys dont like it
FUCK OFF

 

[ticklkitten]

Most of the posters here have some very intelligent points. But this is honestly something I think that comes down to "agreeing to disagree". Doing a recreational drug every once in awhile doesn't guarantee your life going down the toilet. But some people take it to that level. Drugs weren't the right choice for me because I became too easily addicted. But I have plenty of friends who went to/ and graduated from Michigan Tech who used recreationally. They are now well balanced people with great lives, families, degrees, jobs... It's not fair to stereotype stuff like this.

And thanks Krokus, your opinion means a lot to me!

 

[sushi854]

Citizens of democratic societies definitely should enjoy a somewhat uncompromised right to privacy, but the purpose of Roe v. Wade was to measure an individual's right to privacy v. government interest in regulating what would be considered private behavior rather than to grant an unlimited right to privacy. Drug addiction itself should be treated as a disease rather than a crime, but addiction is rampant in our society, bringing with it the inherent dangers that accompany drug abuse, both for the user and those directly affected by the user. Believe me, I've seen and dealt with the worst of it. Don't get me wrong, I drink a lot of beer, wine, scotch, etc., and a few times a year I'll indulge in some sort of narcotic just for the hell of it. It's unfortunate for those who can responsibly have a good time, but the magnitute of the public health crisis leads me to believe that we as a society still have to draw the line somewhere. I do, however, believe that we should draw the line on the other side of marijuana.

Now that I'm posting again, maybe I should discuss tickling or something.

 

[BigJim]

its up to me what i do with my life
and if you boys dont like it
FUCK OFF

Disappointing.

I really do like to be made to work for the honour of looking the more intelligent point maker. You just hand it to us on a plate.

Fair enough sad man, you bugger off back into your world of rotting brain cells (already far advanced by the look of it), uncontrollable body functions (I wondered what that smell was) and incoherant, meanderings (now we know).

Personally I hope I'm the one fortunate enough to be in line to nick you when you finally do get caught. The odds are probably long on it, but one can always hope.

 

[Ticklish9's]

Nope. Like you said, it's everyone's choice. It's not something you're born with , it's a personal choice, yes you should be treated, but being against the law helps at least somewhat as a deterant.

There's little to no evidence of that - drug use and, yes, abuse is prevalent, and I've read about 20 million dollar drug busts in the news and gone out and bought drugs for the same price as before - didn't even blip the market. Not even a little. And didn't deter me or anyone else. For every ONE hit of any given drug confiscated by the police, literally thousands or MILLIONS pass through the police shield and are used - often safely, by those who know how and when to use them.

An effective deterrent is knowing how bad drugs can be for you, and knowing what to do when they DO go bad. Legal drugs can be monitored for safety - they can be treated for in hospitals (how many kids won't tell someone they're friend is overdosing because they're afraid to get in trouble? Their death is, in part, on the hands of people who want to keep drugs illegal) - they can be taxed and the money used to fund a scientifically accurate educational campaign - they can drive the black market out of the game and leave it to legitimate companies (don't see too many underground stills or tobacco farms, do ya?)

Bottom line - Prohibition didn't work in the 20's, and it isn't working now. At all.

 

[Ticklish9's]

Citizens of democratic societies definitely should enjoy a somewhat uncompromised right to privacy, but the purpose of Roe v. Wade was to measure an individual's right to privacy v. government interest in regulating what would be considered private behavior rather than to grant an unlimited right to privacy. Drug addiction itself should be treated as a disease rather than a crime, but addiction is rampant in our society, bringing with it the inherent dangers that accompany drug abuse, both for the user and those directly affected by the user. Believe me, I've seen and dealt with the worst of it. Don't get me wrong, I drink a lot of beer, wine, scotch, etc., and a few times a year I'll indulge in some sort of narcotic just for the hell of it. It's unfortunate for those who can responsibly have a good time, but the magnitute of the public health crisis leads me to believe that we as a society still have to draw the line somewhere. I do, however, believe that we should draw the line on the other side of marijuana.

I find that criminalizing social problems has time and again failed as a means of addressing them. Education has, time and again, succeeded. Just one example of each - condoms and contraceptives (success, or at least we're getting there) vs Prohibition of alcohol (utter failure of the worst kind).

It's a tough line to draw (some drugs seem obviously completely impossible to use just "recreationally" or therapeautically - for example, heroin or crack) but not impossible and, in fact, it's one we've already drawn - simply in a very draconian and ill-considered fashion. Hell, we don't even let people drink til they're 21!

Now that I'm posting again, maybe I should discuss tickling or something.

To keep it on topic, and not to necessarily encourage drug use (but it IS what we're talking about) but I am HOLY FUCKING TICKLISH when I'm on E. Which isn't to say that's not always the case, but it's definitely ALL CAPS that way. :lol:

Yeah, yeah I know, but like I said, it IS what we're talking about. 😛

 

[steph]

Well for sure NO ONE won the "war on drugs"...
What a frigging joke, and how many millions did it cost us as taxpayers~idiots...people are going to kill themslves if they want to, legalize it, all of it and use the $ to solve the deficit. Extreme I know but I'll never change my opinion...At least mj is legal here in Cali, although I don't personally indulge, my drug period is looooooooooooooong gone and I'm glad, it helps me counsel my patients better...
XOXO

 

[asutickler]

its up to me what i do with my life
and if you boys dont like it
FUCK OFF

Yeah... Until your habit either ruins your health, drives you into poverty or leads you to more egregious forms of criminal behavior. Then the state is stuck paying for you, and you become a burden onto us all.

Until then, you just help to finance an black-market "industry" responsible for heinous crimes worldwide. Thanks a whole lot, smart guy. 🙄

 

[Tic-Tac-Toes]

Funny story...
As I was walking down the street to teach my upcomming class, I noticed and estranged senior citizen walking down a narrow cross-walk. Problem was, that it was into on-comming traffic.

Before I could speak up, I thought to myself.

This isnt my business, and maybe this man has intentions of walking to his own death. Also, maybe he just doesnt see whats ahead of him.
Rather than informing him of his impending doom, I thought if it might be best to leave the situation as it was.

After making up my mind and going about my business as I normally would, I heard a loud crash. Wedged inbetween a pile of wreckage layed the man drenched in his own blood, with an out-reached hand, extending for his pair of glasses that he had previously dropped.. in the center of the road.


His intentions werent death, had I informed him or at least shed some ligjht on the situation, he might have still been with us.

 

[Sultrybrunette]

Funny story...
As I was walking down the street to teach my upcomming class, I noticed and estranged senior citizen walking down a narrow cross-walk. Problem was, that it was into on-comming traffic.

Before I could speak up, I thought to myself.

This isnt my business, and maybe this man has intentions of walking to his own death. Also, maybe he just doesnt see whats ahead of him.
Rather than informing him of his impending doom, I thought if it might be best to leave the situation as it was.

After making up my mind and going about my business as I normally would, I heard a loud crash. Wedged inbetween a pile of wreckage layed the man drenched in his own blood, with an out-reached hand, extending for his pair of glasses that he had previously dropped.. in the center of the road.


His intentions werent death, had I informed him or at least shed some ligjht on the situation, he might have still been with us.

I know you didnt mean this as a "ha-ha" kind of funny story but I am sitting here shaking my head. This is a very good example of what is wrong with society today. A human life is no longer valued. The, I don't want to get involved mentality. No matter what the motive was for the situation he was in, the very least you could have done was shouted at him to let him know. I find the callousness unbelievable.

 

[Lord Doctor]

I despise drugs, but not those who take them.

People take drugs for the same reasons as others drink or engage in life threatening sports:
1) The pain (emotional or physical) is too much to cope with and no one gives a shit.
2) pure boredome

Almost all of us will take drugs, the only difference is that some are leagal and some aren't.

I think they should be leagalised because purity and quality could then be assured and it would take away the trade of the pittyless wankers who kill, maim and torture if their drug producing industry is threatened in some way.

 

[isabeau]

Funny story...
As I was walking down the street to teach my upcomming class, I noticed and estranged senior citizen walking down a narrow cross-walk. Problem was, that it was into on-comming traffic.

Before I could speak up, I thought to myself.

This isnt my business, and maybe this man has intentions of walking to his own death. Also, maybe he just doesnt see whats ahead of him.
Rather than informing him of his impending doom, I thought if it might be best to leave the situation as it was.

After making up my mind and going about my business as I normally would, I heard a loud crash. Wedged inbetween a pile of wreckage layed the man drenched in his own blood, with an out-reached hand, extending for his pair of glasses that he had previously dropped.. in the center of the road.


His intentions werent death, had I informed him or at least shed some ligjht on the situation, he might have still been with us.

and this is funny how? gesh. and you posted about this? i cannot believe this.

and that reminds me , my dad, who was undergoing chemotherapy back when he was alive, was on his way to the dentist's office. he got out of his car and started walking towards the office. now, although only in his sixties, he looked much more frail and older because of the cancer. anyway he fell to his knees, due to weakness. and stayed there for a while trying to get the energy to get back up on his feet. and NO ONE HELPED HIM. PEOPLE WALKED RIGHT BY HIM i mean come on now.... here was a frail looking man who obviously needed help. i wasnt with him at the time, he insisted on doing these things by himself so he could time them to go back to the office. he told me about it later. i remember crying that no one would help him at all

isabeau

 

[new2sceenbob]

I honestly wish you luck

Taking drugs is dangerous like playing Russian roulette. I hope that in your case, the bullet will never be in the chamber. I honestly wish you luck.

Sincerely,
Bob

 

[kcantankerous]

Korkus a real friend cares about your well being. If you choose to put yourself in danger for cheap thrills. Your friend reacted the same way I'd act. Think about it for a minute he doesn't want you to get hurt. Think about it from his point a view. Personally if any of my friends said what you said in your openning post that would be enough for me to find a new friend.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Just a side note here... to everyone that has condemned drugs in this thread, think about these things: do you drink alcohol, do you drink anything with caffeine, do you take tylenol, do you smoke cigarettes, etc...

Most of us do some kind of drug or another, and there are plenty of legal recreational drugs that are more harmful than some of the illegal ones. For example, alcohol does far more damage to society than marijuana. So, how can you justify condemning the use of any drugs when you probably use some of the legal ones yourself?

I think we can all agree that cocaine and heroin are things to be avoided, but some of the lighter drugs are really no worse for society than what's already legal. Granted, ASU's point about the expenses of rehabilitating people is relevant. I personally would prefer a totally private system for rehabilitation, so therefore, no tax money is involved, and ASU's rationale would no longer apply.

 

[maniactickler]

Of course drugs should be legal. i dont have a problem with someone getting strung out on heroine then getting behind the wheel and killing a family.