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That's not "exposing" them to it, though, that's them going out and looking for it.
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That's not "exposing" them to it, though, that's them going out and looking for it.
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They can accidentally stumble on them without specifically look for them.
Yes, and they get curious, you know how kids are and so they unwillingly come to watch porn. Does it sound unlikely to you that a kid browsing dailymotion comes to see a tickle torture clip and gets his mind blown off never imagining such a thing even existed?
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Posting copyrighted clips on any site for other people to download without a producer's permission IS piracy.
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You cant download clips on dailymotion, they only stream.
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I don't think anyone has said anything like that. I don't know why you're under that impression. Or rather, I do know, but your reasoning is flawed.
In my book that's still piracy. Just because people can't download them (and I'm pretty sure there's actually a way to do it) doesn't mean they can't watch the clips.
And how do you know I don't care? Who are you to make such a claim? Can you read my mind? I don't want minors watching my clips. None of the producers want that. But it's not our responsibility if some of them manage to get their hands on our clips somehow. But why am I even bothering? To you, the simple fact of selling a product is proof that a vendor doesn't care if minors have access to it, which makes no sense whatsoever.
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Interesting question. Maybe it's because there's actually some relevant information coming out of all this, as long as one ignores what tttony says. But I do agree that it's getting ridiculous, and I should make an effort to resist contributing any further. It's just so pointless, and I can see that pretty much no one agrees with tttony anyway, so there's no reason to go on with this.
I didnt say it's not piracy, I only said you cant download them but only stream them.
By reading your posts, and those of others, I was under the impression you dont care too much if minors watch your clips, you havent said a word of how bad it is that minors can watch them until this last post of yours.
I agree with you on that, so I'll stop this nonsense here since nobody seems to agree with what I am saying.
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That does sound bad. On the other hand, I think it's more secure overall if a website is used and one-time links to the downloads are sent to the purchasers. (Though it is frustrating when they expire and you don't even realise. I'm currently writing to Felix Dartmouth because two of his links expired while I was waiting to get to a more reliable internet supplier.)
EDIT @tttony; Why the obsession with underage kids watching this stuff? You seem very hostile to a fetish yet maintain a two year old account on a website dedicated to it.
I have a question which I am hoping UKTickling can answer. What exactly is a chargeback? My experience with C4S is once a purchase is made it's made. If your download gets screwed up then they'll let you download again, but I have never gotten money back.
Same with a membership site. I have gotten memberships and cancelled but the membership lasts through the end of it's period. I don't get my money back.
Have you tried eclipse?
Same with a membership site. I have gotten memberships and cancelled but the membership lasts through the end of it's period. I don't get my money back.
Have you tried eclipse?
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What you are talking about is something completely different. I believe there is a no refunds statement in the purchase process but to be fair, C4S have always allowed me to download a working copy of a clip if something goes wrong so I can't see that I'd ever need to ask for a refund anyway.
A chargeback is where the Credit Card company disputes a transaction made because a stolen card has been used and clips4sale takes action to reclaim the money it has paid out to a store owner.
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Maybe this will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_security_code
The card security code (CSC), sometimes called Card Verification Data (CVD), Card Verification Value (CVV or CVV2), Card Verification Value Code (CVVC), Card Verification Code (CVC or CVC2), Verification Code (V-Code or V Code), Card Code Verification (CCV),[1] or Signature Panel Code (SPC)[2] are different terms for security features for credit or debit card transactions, providing increased protection for the merchants against credit card fraud.
There are several types of security codes:
The first code, called CVC1 or CVV1, is encoded on the magnetic stripe of track-2 of the card and used for transactions in person. The purpose of the CVC1 or CVV1 is to ensure the data stored on the magnetic stripe of the card is valid and was generated by the issuing bank. This value is submitted as part of transactions and is verified by the issuing bank. A limitation of the CVC1 or CVV1 is that if the entire magnetic stripe is copied, rather than generated, the card can be duplicated. See the Skimming section for more details.
The second code, and the most cited, is CVV2 or CVC2. This CSC (also known as a CCID or Credit Card ID) is often asked for by merchants for them to secure card not present transactions occurring over the Internet, by mail, fax or over the phone. In some countries in Western Europe, card processors require the merchant to provide this code when the cardholder is not present in person.
Contactless card and chip cards may supply their own codes generated electronically, such as iCVV or Dynamic CVV.
These codes should not be confused with the standard card account number appearing in embossed or printed digits. (The standard card number undergoes a separate validation algorithm called the Luhn algorithm which serves to determine whether a given card's number is appropriate.)
These codes should also not be confused with a card's PIN or passwords associated with MasterCard SecureCode or Verified by Visa. These codes are not printed or embedded in the card but are manually entered by the cardholder at the time of transaction.
[edit]Location of code
The CSC (the second type of code noted above) is a three- or four-digit value printed on the card or signature strip, but not encoded on the magnetic*stripe.
MasterCard, Visa, Diners Club, Discover, and JCB credit and debit cards have a three-digit card security code. The code is not embossed like the card number, and is always the final group of numbers printed on the back signature panel of the card. New North American MasterCard and Visa cards feature the code in a separate panel to the right of the signature strip.[3] This has been done to prevent overwriting of the numbers by signing the*card. The codes have different names:
"CVC2" (card validation code) MasterCard,
"CVV2" (card verification value) Visa,
"CID" (card identification number) Discover.
American Express cards have a four-digit code printed on the front side of the card above the number. It is printed flat, not embossed like the card*number. This code is called:
"CID" or "unique card code"
Security benefits
Merchants who require the CVV2 for "card not present" transactions are forbidden by Visa from storing the CVV2 once the individual transaction is authorized and completed.[4] This way, if a database of transactions is compromised, the CVV2 is not included, and the stolen card numbers are less useful. Virtual terminals and payment gateways do not store the CVV2 code, therefore employees and customer service representatives with access to these web-based payment interfaces who otherwise have access to complete card numbers, expiration dates, and other information still lack the CVV2 code.
The Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard (PCI DSS) also prohibits the storage of CSC (and other sensitive authorisation data) post transaction authorisation. This applies globally to anyone who stores, processes or transmits card holder data.[5] Since the CSC is not contained on the magnetic stripe of the card, it is not typically included in the transaction when the card is used face to face at a merchant. However, some merchants in North America, such as Sears and Staples, require the code. For American Express cards, this has been an invariable practice (for "card not present" transactions) in European Union (EU) states like Ireland and the United Kingdom since the start of 2005. This provides a level of protection to the bank/cardholder, in that a fraudulent merchant or employee cannot simply capture the magnetic stripe details of a card and use them later for "card not present" purchases over the phone, mail order or Internet. To do this, a merchant or its employee would also have to note the CVV2 visually and record it, which is more likely to arouse the cardholder's suspicion.
Supplying the CSC code in a transaction is intended to verify that the customer has the card in their possession. Knowledge of the code proves that the customer has seen the card, or has seen a record made by somebody who saw the card.
Limitations
The use of the CSC cannot protect against phishing scams, where the cardholder is tricked into entering the CSC among other card details via a fraudulent website. The growth in phishing has reduced the real-world effectiveness of the CSC as an anti-fraud device. There is now also a scam where a phisher has already obtained the card account number (perhaps by hacking a merchant database or from a poorly designed receipt) and gives this information to the victims (lulling them into a false sense of security) before asking for the CSC (which is all that the phisher needs).[6]
Since the CSC may not be stored by the merchant for any length of time[4] (after the original transaction in which the CSC was quoted and then authorized and completed), a merchant who needs to regularly bill a card for a regular subscription would not be able to provide the code after the initial transaction. Payment gateways, however, have responded by adding "periodic bill" features as part of the authorization process.
Some card issuers do not yet use the CSC - although MasterCard started in 1997 and Visa in the USA had them issued by 2001. However, transactions without CSC are likely to be subjected to higher card processing cost to the merchants, and fraudulent transactions without CSC are more likely to be resolved in favour of the cardholder.
It is not mandatory for a merchant to require the security code for making a transaction, hence the card is still prone to fraud even if only its number is known to phishers.
Generation of card security codes
CVC1, CVV1, CVC2 and CVV2 values are generated when the card is issued. The values are calculated by encrypting the bank card number (also known as the primary account number or PAN), expiration date and service code with encryption keys (often called Card Verification Key or CVK) known only to the issuing bank, and decimalising the result.[7][8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_security_code
The card security code (CSC), sometimes called Card Verification Data (CVD), Card Verification Value (CVV or CVV2), Card Verification Value Code (CVVC), Card Verification Code (CVC or CVC2), Verification Code (V-Code or V Code), Card Code Verification (CCV),[1] or Signature Panel Code (SPC)[2] are different terms for security features for credit or debit card transactions, providing increased protection for the merchants against credit card fraud.
There are several types of security codes:
The first code, called CVC1 or CVV1, is encoded on the magnetic stripe of track-2 of the card and used for transactions in person. The purpose of the CVC1 or CVV1 is to ensure the data stored on the magnetic stripe of the card is valid and was generated by the issuing bank. This value is submitted as part of transactions and is verified by the issuing bank. A limitation of the CVC1 or CVV1 is that if the entire magnetic stripe is copied, rather than generated, the card can be duplicated. See the Skimming section for more details.
The second code, and the most cited, is CVV2 or CVC2. This CSC (also known as a CCID or Credit Card ID) is often asked for by merchants for them to secure card not present transactions occurring over the Internet, by mail, fax or over the phone. In some countries in Western Europe, card processors require the merchant to provide this code when the cardholder is not present in person.
Contactless card and chip cards may supply their own codes generated electronically, such as iCVV or Dynamic CVV.
These codes should not be confused with the standard card account number appearing in embossed or printed digits. (The standard card number undergoes a separate validation algorithm called the Luhn algorithm which serves to determine whether a given card's number is appropriate.)
These codes should also not be confused with a card's PIN or passwords associated with MasterCard SecureCode or Verified by Visa. These codes are not printed or embedded in the card but are manually entered by the cardholder at the time of transaction.
[edit]Location of code
The CSC (the second type of code noted above) is a three- or four-digit value printed on the card or signature strip, but not encoded on the magnetic*stripe.
MasterCard, Visa, Diners Club, Discover, and JCB credit and debit cards have a three-digit card security code. The code is not embossed like the card number, and is always the final group of numbers printed on the back signature panel of the card. New North American MasterCard and Visa cards feature the code in a separate panel to the right of the signature strip.[3] This has been done to prevent overwriting of the numbers by signing the*card. The codes have different names:
"CVC2" (card validation code) MasterCard,
"CVV2" (card verification value) Visa,
"CID" (card identification number) Discover.
American Express cards have a four-digit code printed on the front side of the card above the number. It is printed flat, not embossed like the card*number. This code is called:
"CID" or "unique card code"
Security benefits
Merchants who require the CVV2 for "card not present" transactions are forbidden by Visa from storing the CVV2 once the individual transaction is authorized and completed.[4] This way, if a database of transactions is compromised, the CVV2 is not included, and the stolen card numbers are less useful. Virtual terminals and payment gateways do not store the CVV2 code, therefore employees and customer service representatives with access to these web-based payment interfaces who otherwise have access to complete card numbers, expiration dates, and other information still lack the CVV2 code.
The Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard (PCI DSS) also prohibits the storage of CSC (and other sensitive authorisation data) post transaction authorisation. This applies globally to anyone who stores, processes or transmits card holder data.[5] Since the CSC is not contained on the magnetic stripe of the card, it is not typically included in the transaction when the card is used face to face at a merchant. However, some merchants in North America, such as Sears and Staples, require the code. For American Express cards, this has been an invariable practice (for "card not present" transactions) in European Union (EU) states like Ireland and the United Kingdom since the start of 2005. This provides a level of protection to the bank/cardholder, in that a fraudulent merchant or employee cannot simply capture the magnetic stripe details of a card and use them later for "card not present" purchases over the phone, mail order or Internet. To do this, a merchant or its employee would also have to note the CVV2 visually and record it, which is more likely to arouse the cardholder's suspicion.
Supplying the CSC code in a transaction is intended to verify that the customer has the card in their possession. Knowledge of the code proves that the customer has seen the card, or has seen a record made by somebody who saw the card.
Limitations
The use of the CSC cannot protect against phishing scams, where the cardholder is tricked into entering the CSC among other card details via a fraudulent website. The growth in phishing has reduced the real-world effectiveness of the CSC as an anti-fraud device. There is now also a scam where a phisher has already obtained the card account number (perhaps by hacking a merchant database or from a poorly designed receipt) and gives this information to the victims (lulling them into a false sense of security) before asking for the CSC (which is all that the phisher needs).[6]
Since the CSC may not be stored by the merchant for any length of time[4] (after the original transaction in which the CSC was quoted and then authorized and completed), a merchant who needs to regularly bill a card for a regular subscription would not be able to provide the code after the initial transaction. Payment gateways, however, have responded by adding "periodic bill" features as part of the authorization process.
Some card issuers do not yet use the CSC - although MasterCard started in 1997 and Visa in the USA had them issued by 2001. However, transactions without CSC are likely to be subjected to higher card processing cost to the merchants, and fraudulent transactions without CSC are more likely to be resolved in favour of the cardholder.
It is not mandatory for a merchant to require the security code for making a transaction, hence the card is still prone to fraud even if only its number is known to phishers.
Generation of card security codes
CVC1, CVV1, CVC2 and CVV2 values are generated when the card is issued. The values are calculated by encrypting the bank card number (also known as the primary account number or PAN), expiration date and service code with encryption keys (often called Card Verification Key or CVK) known only to the issuing bank, and decimalising the result.[7][8]
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There is no timeline... C4S, is not liable for chargebacks! They can represent to the insurer, for it is a "card-present" transaction...
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Easy... It depends on who owns those funds, and their bookkeeping. Chargebacks can go from 72 hours after the charge, and upto 60 days(two statement cycles) - that is Regulation E( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Fund_Transfer_Act ); if you live in the US. In the end, the issuer, will have to charge-off the loss(for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card_fraud ) -
To verify my bolded, Wiki statement, see the 'Card Security', post...
Before, it's a fetish that has issues with quality control of their old producers, and given the lack of material out there, it set the table for a lot of people being given inferior product with the possibility of not knowing what you were paying for. Now, it's a market place where many people with a camera and a little disposable income think they can make clips. There's a weird aspect of model redundancy yet at the same time good models being cycled out quickly. Many times, clips come off as samey. When it's good, it's good. When it isn't, it isn't.
There's always going to be piracy, but the answer probably isn't in what the music industry did to curb it, since itunes distribution got rid of bloat that made Napster and P2P quite appealing.
There's always going to be piracy, but the answer probably isn't in what the music industry did to curb it, since itunes distribution got rid of bloat that made Napster and P2P quite appealing.
