Hairdresser turns robber into sex slave.

[Mister Scruff]

Probably not very. Which is why you don't rob hairdressers in the Deep South.

 

[Fire_Sprite]

It's worth noting that he's doing jailtime along side the rape, so it doesn't count as his only punishment.

As for whoever said the story was fake:

http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/04/14/1013/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/21/russia_robbery/

As for the double standard, I'm pretty sure there is one. If this was a girl who tried to hold up a liquor store, and the owner tied her up and raped her for days until she bled, that store owner would be fucking crucified.

I hope we've all learned something about ourselves.

 

[Mister Scruff]

As for the double standard, I'm pretty sure there is one. If this was a girl who tried to hold up a liquor store, and the owner tied her up and raped her for days until she bled, that store owner would be fucking crucified.

As I recall the woman in this case is being charged with rape, so she's getting as much as a bloke would've gotten.

Of course, if the genders had been reversed and it was a woman robber who'd been sexually assaulted over a number of days the thread would probably have been inundated with replies decrying the man as a deplorable monster. I mean, you'd have to be a pretty sick puppy to find that sort of thing amusing, no?

I hope we've all learned something about ourselves.

What, that I find violence and sexual assault against men funny whilst I find sexual assault and (unwarranted) violence against women repugnant? I already knew that. I'm not sure why that is, but I don't lose sleep thinking about it.

 

[Fire_Sprite]

Of course, if the genders had been reversed and it was a woman robber who'd been sexually assaulted over a number of days the thread would probably have been inundated with replies decrying the man as a deplorable monster. I mean, you'd have to be a pretty sick puppy to find that sort of thing amusing, no?

That was pretty much my point. I know the charges will be filed regardless of gender, but the emotional reaction is worlds apart.

 

[Mister Scruff]

So why do you think it should be the same?

 

[Fire_Sprite]

cuz sexism is rong bro

 

[Mister Scruff]

Yeah, but that's not really "sexism", is it? It's not discriminating against someone because of their gender; if a man who has been raped seeks support and treatment because of his experience he'll get it, same as a woman would, and whilst the prevalent social attitude might well hold that women sexually assaulting men is funny the law doesn't see it that way. At least not in Russia it doesn't.

 

[Fire_Sprite]

Well like I said, I know the charges and official actions will be the same regardless of gender. It's not a practical application of sexism, but the mindset is clearly demonstrated in the way the articles are written and the reaction to it on places like here.

 

[Jason Reborn]

I have read everyone's posts in this thread and I've come up to this conclusion....even though hearing about a man getting pwnd, kidnapped, and raped by a woman may be funny...but it is not acceptable no matter what gender you are. Both happenings (attempted robbery, assault, kidnapping, rape) is nothing to joke about. The guy being guilty of attempted robbery with a lethal weapon would get at least 5 to 10 years behind bars if this happened in the US. The woman, however, would be guilty of only the kidnapping and rape of the attempted robber since the assault charge would be dismissed as "self defense"...if memory serves, kidnapping is an automatic 3 to 5 year sentence...the rape charge would be an automatic 5 to 10 years. So the woman would be getting the worst of it all, possibly (even if she got the minimum sentencing on both counts) would end up with a sentencing of 8 to 15 years. The robber would be serving the lesser sentencing. Is that right?

 

[Knot Amewzed]

Well like I said, I know the charges and official actions will be the same regardless of gender. It's not a practical application of sexism, but the mindset is clearly demonstrated in the way the articles are written and the reaction to it on places like here.

Perhaps most of our responses are riddled with sarcasm?

 

[Fire_Sprite]

Perhaps most of our responses are riddled with sarcasm?

Obviously. But people wouldn't be making sarcastic jokes if it was a woman.

 

[Excess]

Like I said, ITT: Sexism. See Scruff, it still came back to that. 😛

 

[Jason Reborn]

Am I right with the sentencing if they were here in the US?

Man: 3 to 5 years

Woman: 10 to 15 years

 

[Fire_Sprite]

Individual sentencing varies depending on state, city, and even judge. You're probably close.

 

[Sanhael]

Isn't a yellow belt one step up from the one you get when you walk into your first karate dojo and you need something to keep your gi bottoms on?

 

[Knot Amewzed]

Obviously. But people wouldn't be making sarcastic jokes if it was a woman.

Perhaps, but how many women end up raped after attempting a robbery? The majority of women are raped under a completely different circumstance. I am not saying that being raped after a robbery is commendable; however, expect to get ribbed a little after the fact.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

Obviously. But people wouldn't be making sarcastic jokes if it was a woman.

Hey, remember that thing about the chick being shacked up (LMAO - i didn't even do that on purpose) for 18 years and being forced to mother children to her rapist?

Now, do you remember the entire thread that was spawned from this incident, that was completely and entirely making sarcastic jokes about the whole thing, and the countless TMF men and women who were involved?

Yeah...so I guess people would be making sarcastic jokes if it were a woman because...ya know..they already DID.

 

[tequila!]

Isn't a yellow belt one step up from the one you get when you walk into your first karate dojo and you need something to keep your gi bottoms on?

^This. They could have said "The 32-year old Viktor couldn't have known that the woman stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night" and I would have had the same reaction to it.

 

[Fire_Sprite]

Hey, remember that thing about the chick being shacked up (LMAO - i didn't even do that on purpose) for 18 years and being forced to mother children to her rapist?

Now, do you remember the entire thread that was spawned from this incident, that was completely and entirely making sarcastic jokes about the whole thing, and the countless TMF men and women who were involved?

Yeah...so I guess people would be making sarcastic jokes if it were a woman because...ya know..they already DID.

wat

Are you talking about this thread? Where do you see a bunch of sarcastic jokes?

 

[Mister Scruff]

Well like I said, I know the charges and official actions will be the same regardless of gender. It's not a practical application of sexism, but the mindset is clearly demonstrated in the way the articles are written and the reaction to it on places like here.

I get that; what I'm asking is why you'd expect the reaction to sexual assault against men and women to be the same considering they're completely different crimes in every conceivable aspect. It's like expecting people to feel the same sorrow for a corporation defrauded of millions as we do for a little old lady who's been scammed out of her life savings.

Like I said, ITT: Sexism. See Scruff, it still came back to that. 😛

I'm a great subscriber to the sentiment that equality should indeed mean equality, that women shouldn't become "more equal" than men just because the historical bias has been towards my gender, but I don't see how reacting differently to this man's ordeal than I would if it'd been a woman on the receiving end necessarily makes me a self-loathing sexist or some sort of Feminazi collaborator.

Obviously. But people wouldn't be making sarcastic jokes if it was a woman.

I don't think anything that's been said so far is in the least bit sarcastic. I think people find this story genuinely snigger-tastic.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

wat

Are you talking about this thread? Where do you see a bunch of sarcastic jokes?

I'm talking about this.

 

[Fire_Sprite]

I'm talking about this.

That thread wasn't about the woman, it was just a reference to start the thread off. People makes jokes about murder and rape all the time, it's different when you aren't discussing the actual incidents or the actual people involved.

If you compare reactions from the thread I linked to this one, it's obvious there's a polarizing effect.

I get that; what I'm asking is why you'd expect the reaction to sexual assault against men and women to be the same considering they're completely different crimes in every conceivable aspect. It's like expecting people to feel the same sorrow for a corporation defrauded of millions as we do for a little old lady who's been scammed out of her life savings

Well then you're saying men either deserve to be raped or shouldn't care as much when it happens. Either way, its a ridiculous analogy.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

That thread wasn't about the woman, it was just a reference to start the thread off. People makes jokes about murder and rape all the time, it's different when you aren't discussing the actual incidents or the actual people involved.

If you compare reactions from the thread I linked to this one, it's obvious there's a polarizing effect.



Well then you're saying men either deserve to be raped or shouldn't care as much when it happens. Either way, its a ridiculous analogy.

That is the most ridiculous fucking logic I've ever heard. Fine. We're all sexist pigs. Hopefully we take a lesson from you. 🙄 Please...

 

[Fire_Sprite]

I made the first joke in the thread, I'm not proclaiming to be better than anyone.

Both threads with the news articles are posted and the difference in reactions are obvious. If you want to ignore it and say they're the same, then fine. It isn't worth arguing.

 

[Mister Scruff]

Well then you're saying men either deserve to be raped or shouldn't care as much when it happens. Either way, its a ridiculous analogy.

The second example is more in-line with what I was going for, albeit an oversimplified version. I think "ridiculous" might be overstating the case somewhat, but it wasn't a great analogy; trouble is, it's difficult to find a good one to demonstrate the difference between one crime that is experienced so completely differently by the victim depending on their circumstances. In the case of the analogy, it'd be wealth; in the case of sexual assault, gender.

Nobody's saying men sexually assaulted by women don't have the right to feel violated and abused, nor is anyone suggesting a crime wasn't committed or that the victim shouldn't have recourse to justice and counselling, so it's not really sexism at all. There's no attempt to discriminate; it's just a disparity in attitudes. That happens sometimes, especially in cases where gender is an issue, and whilst it's not necessarily savoury (a lot of non-hardcore feminists would probably share your view that sexual assault should be viewed with revulsion regardless of the gender of the victim) it's a fact of life.