And as I pointed out earlier smartass, Joe Francis has been doing it for years with “Girls Gone Wild” and the only successful prosecution against him, either criminally or civilly, was for underage filming.
So not only are you uninformed, it’s obvious you don’t even have enough decency to honor a bet when you lose.
Your upstanding citizen friend Joe just lost a lawsuit involving using images without consent. A lot of these issues turn on use. Education and Information uses don't require consent. Commercial uses do. You buddy Joe avoided liability in the Kansas City, MO lawsuit because the jury found implied consent on the part of the plaintiff. Implied consent in this case meant that it was obvious from the content that the woman willingly participated, and obviously knew who was filming and for what purpose. The controversy came from the fact that someone else reached in and pulled her top down, which she did not consent to. The jury let your buddy off the hook because they felt that she deserved whatever she got for even participating in the first place. I disagree, but that's what the jury found.
This situation is very different. You're telling someone who doesn't make it known to the people being filmed that they are going to be shown in a commercial video, and who are not even offered the opportunity to give permission, that it's OK to be doing that. But in this case, there isn't even the opportunity for
implied consent.
Now, with regard to the second part of statements. I saw the post from Myriads before I started writing this post. I'm absolutely shocked and totally disgusted. That any woman would participate in that kind of mysogynistic behavior is just beyond my comprehension. But just like there are black people who hate black people, asians who hate asians, etc. - I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there are women who would stoop so low to demonstrate their hatred of women - especially if the woman are relatively attractive. I suppose there actually are some pretty disgusting bush pigs out there whose jealousy toward even moderately attractive women would cause them to be involved in this kind of lowlife behavior.
I'm even more disgusted that there are people out there who would buy it and defend it. Some things are just wrong, and this is one of them. I'm fetishist, and I participate in fetish activities, etc. I have no problem with most anything so long it's all Safe, Sane and Consensual. But this really bothered me on a lot of levels, and I have to ask myself if I really want to be associated, even in the most remote way, with people who find this OK. My thinking is that up until now, if someone published my web records in the paper, I might be a little embarrassed, but I wouldn't be humiliated for doing something I believed to be wrong. Now things are different. I really believe that the forum should take a hard look at its policy surrounding the posting of images that are explicitly non-consensual. That just crosses a serious line for me. Also, I would hope that the women here, especially, would have a serious issue with this kind of thing in particular.
I said I would leave the forum if it was established that this trash was actually produced by a female. It's been established that there is at least a female involved as a principle participant. I said I'd leave, knowing that I wouldn't want to continue to visit this site if it were true that the TMF would allow this kind of thing to be marketed on the site.
Myriads, there problem isn't so much with the market
ing, the problem is with what's being market
ed - that is, a product in which women are filmed for commercial purposes, not told so, then degraded. It's disgusting. I don't want to be in any way associated with it.
Don't worry. I know you're anxious to be the smartest person around. After I'm gone, you'll only have a few thousand more people to get rid of before you achieve your objective. Be patient, you Fat Bastard.
