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How do we view homeless people?

brianspencer66

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There are nights I work very late and there is a Grocery store on my corner open all night. There is a guy that stands outside the store who is obviously homeless and he seems to be there almost every night no matter how cold it gets. At one time this man was quite invisable to me as I did not want to see or know him. Now this may sound cruel but being a New Yorker well we are overwhelmed with homeless people everywhere we go being we are a city of 8 to 10 million. But slowly I started to get to know this man and frankly I'm starting to like him and well you can't help but feel sorry and I'll admit a little above him but well thats only human. My point is I find myself giving him money and not really caring what he does with it. I know he really wants a drink most likely and well Im not a social worker. But I find if one by one if we start to put a face on men and women like this with some sort of social interaction it does make a diffrence. This guy is not going anywhere and he has nothing to prove and well neither do I. I have really no idea how to solve the homeless problem but like most people I have some suggestions on how to go about it, but thats not really what Im writing about. Im really talking about human compassion about maybe reaching out a little and perhaps forgetting about my own personal selfishness. Most of us on this board somtimes forget how lucky we are and at times what is REALLY important. Has anyone here had any kind of human interaction that you thought made a diffrence?
 
This might not be the popular concensus, but i see the majority of homeless as schizophrenic, druggie, alcoholic, lazy human beings who would slit your throat in a heartbeat for a dollar.
 
The street I work on is littered with homeless people, especially at night. I try to give when I can but I don't feel like I'm obligated to give money to any of them. Most of the time I walk right by and pretend that I don't hear them. It gets aggrevating when the same people ask you for money on a regular basis. They often come to the cafe I work at and ask for free stuff. I'll give them coffee and bagels, even though the owner wouldn't be too happy.
 
I remember one time, as my soon to be ex-wife and I were walking back to our car after a night out in Raleigh, NC a man came up to us and asked for a dollar to get something to eat. She of course afraid of being robbed headed into the car as I stood there and reached in my pocket and give him 5 dollars and told him to get something more substantial to eat then what he could get with a dollar. (A side note: I make a habit of keeping 1 to 5 dollars in my front pocket in case of such an occasion, I never want to flash my wallet or where it is in public) I got back in the car and the first thing she said to me was "You know he is just going to get drunk with that money, what a waste..."
I said to her as I believe..."all I know is that I helped another human being, no questions asked. If there is a thing such as karma or the big guy in the sky saw me do this, I'm sure my intentions will be rewarded at sometime in the future and if not I feel good about what did, and how else could I spend 5 dollars to give myself this feeling."
While there are a more than few that would sooner kill me, I tend on the whole to help if I can. After all if you have even been homeless (and at one point in time I was, for 3 days sleeping underneath the interstate in November in South Dakota no less wearing everything I own...smoking cigarette butts I found on the street and not anything to eat but what I could find) you begin to have an understanding. Sometimes all someone needs is a helping hand, a kind word, or even some encouragement.
For me I got off the street thanks to a friend who I had wronged and gave me another chance, and his grandmother...my adoptive grandmother who cleared a place in her heart and her home for someone she did not know. I ending up living with them for 2 years, during that time I went back to college and straighted out my life by ending my use of drugs and believing that even though I thought no one wanted me or would help....all it takes is one person.

Grandma Dorothy.....I love you.

Rob
 
I remember one night I caught a bus into the city to catch a greyhound out to see a friend. I was leaving at night, and as I was waiting to cross the street a homeless man asked me for a few bucks, so I pulled out my wallet and gave him a 5. While I was still waiting to cross he got his friend and asked if I could spare some money for him too, so I gave him 5 as well. As I crossed the street I could here them talking, and they were ecstatic because they were going to McDonalds. I doubt I had any impact other then getting them food that night, but I remember sitting in that bus station, just thinking about how happy they'd been. How ecstatic they were to be going to McDonalds, I mean, my family isn't that happy to go to crab shanty, or even just to go home. And I remember sitting there, looking out the window and wishing I could've done more, I remember how much it saddened me that their lives were such that McDonalds was a high point. I don't know how much of an effect I had on them, but I know I'll never forget them, or the sound of their voices when they knew they could eat at McDonalds.
 
First of all, that was a great story Rob- thanks for sharing it. And thanks for bringing this topic up, Brian. I hesitate to comment only because I tend to be emotional about this topic and long-winded. Sorry in advance 🙂 . I like your philosophies, Brian and Rob, about giving to homeless people. A family member once told me the same thing- that the person whom they gave money to can do whatever they want with it.

I think we view homeless people in this soceity as a drag on the economy. That is when we they're even acknowledged to exist. The media doesn't want to talk about it and generally is hands off (not feel-good enough, I guess). Can you imagine a question about the plight of the homeless coming up in a televised debate between the Repbulican and Democratic nominee? Here in New York City, Mayor Giuliani tackled the problem by clearing the homeless off the streets and pushing them out of Manhattan to the other burroughs. Out of sight, out of mind. I was working in Manhattan at the time, and it was really strange.

People sometimes comment on the homeless living on the street, even when the temperatures really drop, wondering why don't they get themselves into a shelter. Well, between the song and dance they have to go through to get into the shelters (waiting in lines, going back and forth between agencies, busing, etc.) and the conditions of some of those shelters, you can understand why they don't. Some of them have children and consider the shelters unsafe.

Statistically speaking, there is a lot of mental illness amongst the homeless population. As difficult as it can be to get proper medical care if you have a reasonable amount of money, it is hardly surprising that a lot of illness goes untreated for people who are homeless. And if you've ever known someone who has a serious substance abuse problem, you know how difficult it would be to hold down a job under those circumstances. Without work, how far off is homelessness for most people? Besides, the cost of living is such that a home is hardly a given. I used to work at a place that outsourced some work to a guy who lived out of his car. He was a hard-working guy, but his car was his home.

I have a certain amount of personal interaction with homeless people, now. There's a guy who kind of directs bus traffic in my neighborhood. I'm so used to seeing him there that I don't really even think about it. I volunteered at a soup kitchen several years back. I really didn't want to have any interaction with the people that came in for food, so I stayed in the kitchen and prepared food and washed pots and dishes. One time, they were short on help on the floor, so I went out there. I served food and cleared tables and I wasn't insulated from the people we were serving. It was an interesting experience for me, and I haven't forgotten it. Generally speaking, the people were kind, well-mannered, and extremely grateful.

A sizable percentage of the homeless population are combat veterans. I've seen varying statistics on this, so I will not post any percentages. Can you imagine if this was talked about in the press- that a lot of people living on the streets are heroic and are owed a debt of gratitude?
 
In my country homeless people are not treated well nearly by anyone, and that's not right. They are human beings too, just didn't have luck in their life. Of course, some of them are homeless by their own decision, but... well, noone's perfect, right ? I never give money to them, cause many of those people are alcoholics, but instead I suggest them to go with me and get something to eat. I'm not a rich man, and I'm not consider myself of some kind of better man, but I never refuse to help anyone, and I'm trying to do what I can.
One never know what could happen to him in his life, so I hope when I would be in trouble someone would give me a hand like I did to others. I know people's mentality would never change, especially in big cities (although in my country the biggest city is about 2 million of people, so it's nothing compare to your cities), but I believe and have faith in the human good nature
 
For those of you who think giving $5 doesn't have an impact, please think again. The $5 may not go very far, but every act of kindness and compassion goes miles.

I think one of the big issues for homeless people is feeling like they're not a part of the world anymore. People deliberately avoid looking at them, don't offer common courtesies to them, feel they can judge them without knowing a damn thing about their lives....the biggest act of kindness you can give is to acknowledge them as people.
 
There's an essential flaw in the question, Brian. You can't really talk about "homeless people" or "poor people" in terms of being anything but homeless or poor, in the very same way that you can't talk about "black people" or "white people" in terms of being anything other than black or white.

There are many reasons why someone might be homeless, and it's problematic to talk about a mentally disadvantaged person in the same breath as a person who's living in a shelter with her two children because she lost her job and has no other safe place to go, or the woman whose drug habit has turned her to squatting and street prostitution, or the ex-felon who's just been released from prison with $25 and absolutely no where to go.

Let me put it another way. For most homeless people, homelessness is actually the least of their problems. This actually divides the two largest groups of homeless people - those for whom homelessness is the problem, and those for whom homelessness is a symptom of a deeper problem.

I can tell you this - until the "experts" - let alone the average person - really embraces this fact, it's all just talk and wasted money. Always be wary of anyone who says their organization aims to "end homelessness," because that's a sure sign that their organization doesn't understand homelessness. Or worse, that they do understand it, but are banking on the fact that you don't.

For those for whom homelessness is the actual problem, the solution is obvious and relatively inexpensive. But for the others (the majority), the real solution is complex and, frankly, very, very expensive. In lots of people's eyes, prohibitively expensive - which is why homeless organizations do much better when they group all homeless people together, then tout their successes with the easy cases when they make their public appeals for more money.

The homeless problem was first introduced in the US with the de-institutionalization of people from state mental hospitals, under your friend and mine, dear old Ronald Reagan.* The promise was that these people could be better treated in neighborhood-based adult homes. But this system was never adequately funded, and so the care and oversight of the patients was abysmal to say the least, and all of a sudden there was a huge "homeless problem."

I could go on and on - I won't, for everyone's sake. Suffice it to say that unresearched, armchair conversation about this problem probably does more harm than good.

* This is not a myth, it's true. There are tons and tons of people who worship Reagan and want to erase the statement that "Ronald Reagan caused the homeless problem as we know it," and who have undertaken a campaign to re-write the history on this point. Consequently, anyone and their brother can find an article via Google under "Debunking the myth of Reagan's Deinstitutionalization." If you want to do some actual research to test the veracity of my statement, you have to first look at what Reagan did as governor in California, leading up to his presidential bid. There's a very clear line of budget cuts starting in California and ending with HUD budget cuts from the White House that made tens of thousands of mentally ill patients in state institutions ineligible for residential care. As I said above, the promise was that these patients would be cared for in community-based facilities. This was, of course, a broken promise.
 
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Well i can't recall the number of times i've given money to people in the streets, it's like ... i do even feel bad for not to give :/ I don't care what they do with afterwards, but sadly i see more & more young people ( like in their 20's ) who are already tired of life .. well ummm, kinda sux.

There is a street in a town near me, like 200 meters long, and on that one you can actually be asked to give money by ( at least 5 people ) each side of the street, & this is a shopping street, the main one to say. So if one day someone gets angry at me of not giving ... well ... i'm not social welfare, not rich either, so sorry i can't give anyone who asks. If i had the money i'd pay those people hotel to spend a night or two and be more decent, and feel better we're all human being as said my fellow polish mate above 🙂

But really some people are really glad that you gave them something, and their thanking makes you feel like kinda ... useful.

Also some do not ask especially for money, they want food or just someone to talk to ... i shall try one day with the youngies, just to know why they are in the streets
 
True homelessness is a very marginal phenomenon in Norway. Most people who actually live like that do it out of "choice", as the government is obligated to provide a place to stay if you have none.

Begging on the other hand, is a "growthindustry". In the past this activity was reserved junkies (which is a substantial problem over here), but in later years there has been a massive influx of eastern-europeans (Albanians, etc.), often with close ties to the mafia (how does dirt-poor people make it here?) and quite a few romanian gypsies.
This has made begging so prevalent in the larger cities that I have grown very desensitized to it. I'm not proud of that, but that is how it is.
 
How do we view homeless people?

Sometimes I think that it is less about what has caused this...or how do they become homeless and why do they stay that way....

I think about the reason I might encounter a homeless person.....at that moment in time. What am I supposed to "see' here. Is it appreciation for what I have?....am I supposed to exercise my compassion and look at the humanity there?....am I just supposed to help them with my money?....

If you believe that there is a universal pulse that intertwines all of life...then nothing is by chance....and all is purposeful. Maybe they belong here. Just like the mentally handicapped or the physically handicapped.......or the autistic.....or the geniuses....or the musicians. All play an integral part in a universal experience that we all have...everyday with each other. Most of the time we are stretched and forced to examine our thoughts because of external circumstances.....I believe that ALL that are here belong here....and at that moment.....they belong in my life. To remind....to tug ....to give to.....whatever the gut says....
I do believe that some are called to action....If there were no homeless people...there would be no problems to solve and people to step up.......kind of circular.....

I guess the bottom line after all of that is....there is meaning is everything...even things that seem unfair and unjust. ( Iguess I could have just said that!)...:Hyrdrogen
 
My dad disappeared when I was 6. I've only been in contact with him for a little over a year now. For the last ten years before we saw each other again, he was homeless. Literally, sleeping on the street, in alleys, and what-have-you.

I have a bit of a different perspective now. I mean, the guy is always happy, and for good reason. He came from sleeping on the street, to having a job, a nice apartment, and his family back. He has problems just like the rest of us, but he always remembers how shitty he had it and stuff just kind of rolls off his back.

I'm hoping the more we hang out, the more I can develop the same attitude.
 
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My dad disappeared when I was 6. I've only been in contact with him for a little over a year now. For the last ten years before we saw each other again, he was homeless. Literally, sleeping on the street, in alleys, and what-have-you.

I have a bit of a different perspective now. I mean, the guy is always happy, and for good reason. He came from sleeping on the street, to having a job, a nice apartment, and his family back. He has problems just like the rest of us, but he always remembers how shitty he has it and stuff just kind of rolls off his back.

I'm hoping the more we hang out, the more I can develop the same attitude.

thats good to hear.

good luck 🙂
 
I grew up friends with an older couple who were very good to the homeless...including inviting them into their home on really bad nights. I even spent one Christmas helping fix food and arranging places to sleep for several homeless folks...including one young family. When I was looking at the possibility of religious life, I joined the sisters in hosting dinners for the homeless. Once everyone was served, we each picked a table and sat down to get to know them. Those were some special times.

This being the case, I tend to be pretty open and comfortable with homeless people overall. Are there some who are the "losers" many think? Sure there are. But, many are simply stuck in the cracks of a messed up society that puts personal gain over every other consideration. They don't want to be out there any more than you or I would want to be. But, they are kept on the outside looking in by those who would rather protect a false image than do something to correct the real one. I consider that a disgrace.

If a homeless person asks me for money for food, I generally will walk with them to the nearest place where they can get something and buy them whatever they'd like. I generally won't just hand someone money if there's an alternate choice to help them out.
 
The hospital I work for is the old county facility. Today, it's still the closest thing to one in this area, even though it's not ACTUALLY a county hospital anymore. We take everybody, because we have to and a lot of my cases are indigent patients. I think it's so easy for people (like most of us) who've never worried about missing a meal to be quick to judge.
I hear "GET A JOB!" comments a lot from the ignorant and it bothers me a lot, now that I know some of their stories.

Yes, there are a lot of "throwaways" (drunks, junkies, career criminals, psychotics, etc.) But there are a lot of decent people too who just...got lost along the way somehow. I work with them all the time. They had jobs, good ones, nice homes, families who loved them once. It's hard to make a comeback from that after you lose it.

I don't think it's anyone's fantasy to grow up and be homeless.
It usually starts slow, with one thing--you lose the job, for example. You can't make the mortgage so you lose the house. Then the car gets repo'd. Then depression sets in and they turn to drinking and drugs, not expecting it'll solve their problem, but it helps them to forget, even if for a little while. That "escape mechnanism" starts to escalate into more serious behavior. Then, they get arrested. Or maybe they just hit rock bottom, start stealing from family and friends who want so badly to beleive this is just a "bad patch." After awhile they've abused their loved ones' trust and the family and friends have no choice but to turn their backs on them.

So, there they are. No friends, no family, no nothing. Shelters are crowded and filthy, God knows what diseases you're exposed to by living with some of these folks. GA and food stamps are crap even for those who truly need them (and I meet a lot of folks who'd rather die,) I could barely feed my puppy on what they pay. And, sure, there are jobs on every corner, but minimum wage? Please. No one living out here could survive on that, let alone feed their family, it's insulting. Sure, you can probably scrape up a few bucks panhandling or collecting cans for something to wear at Salvation Army, to buy a burger at McDonald's or a beer. But who'll hire you? Where do you shower to clean up to make the interview?
Anyway, I have more thoughts to share but I'll save it for later if anyone's interested.
Me, I'm less of a fan of handing them money but I've bought a grilled cheese from the caf for a homeless patient more times than I can count after helping them apply for assistance. I've brought in blankets, old coats, jeans etc. for some in need.

My point is that though some homeless folks deserve a bad rap, I personally have met with dozens who were just victims of circumstance and/or bad choices who truly want to change their life, go back to the one they once had. At any rate, we can at least withhold judgement until we know their individual stories, yes? 😉 I'm always amazed at the number of patients who tear up and tell me, "You're the first person here who's been nice to me." I always thank them and tell them, "It's my job and my pleasure."
XOXO
 
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There's an essential flaw in the question, Brian. You can't really talk about "homeless people" or "poor people" in terms of being anything but homeless or poor, in the very same way that you can't talk about "black people" or "white people" in terms of being anything other than black or white.

There are many reasons why someone might be homeless, and it's problematic to talk about a mentally disadvantaged person in the same breath as a person who's living in a shelter with her two children because she lost her job and has no other safe place to go, or the woman whose drug habit has turned her to squatting and street prostitution, or the ex-felon who's just been released from prison with $25 and absolutely no where to go.

Let me put it another way. For most homeless people, homelessness is actually the least of their problems. This actually divides the two largest groups of homeless people - those for whom homelessness is the problem, and those for whom homelessness is a symptom of a deeper problem.

I can tell you this - until the "experts" - let alone the average person - really embraces this fact, it's all just talk and wasted money. Always be wary of anyone who says their organization aims to "end homelessness," because that's a sure sign that their organization doesn't understand homelessness. Or worse, that they do understand it, but are banking on the fact that you don't.

For those for whom homelessness is the actual problem, the solution is obvious and relatively inexpensive. But for the others (the majority), the real solution is complex and, frankly, very, very expensive. In lots of people's eyes, prohibitively expensive - which is why homeless organizations do much better when they group all homeless people together, then tout their successes with the easy cases when they make their public appeals for more money.

The homeless problem was first introduced in the US with the de-institutionalization of people from state mental hospitals, under your friend and mine, dear old Ronald Reagan.* The promise was that these people could be better treated in neighborhood-based adult homes. But this system was never adequately funded, and so the care and oversight of the patients was abysmal to say the least, and all of a sudden there was a huge "homeless problem."

I could go on and on - I won't, for everyone's sake. Suffice it to say that unresearched, armchair conversation about this problem probably does more harm than good.

* This is not a myth, it's true. There are tons and tons of people who worship Reagan and want to erase the statement that "Ronald Reagan caused the homeless problem as we know it," and who have undertaken a campaign to re-write the history on this point. Consequently, anyone and their brother can find an article via Google under "Debunking the myth of Reagan's Deinstitutionalization." If you want to do some actual research to test the veracity of my statement, you have to first look at what Reagan did as governor in California, leading up to his presidential bid. There's a very clear line of budget cuts starting in California and ending with HUD budget cuts from the White House that made tens of thousands of mentally ill patients in state institutions ineligible for residential care. As I said above, the promise was that these patients would be cared for in community-based facilities. This was, of course, a broken promise.

Your point is well taken SmarterthanU, homelessness is a very complex issue. And I think most of us are well aware of that. I was not trying to approach the subject from a political point of view, nor are most of us pundits on the plight of homeless people or trying to put them all under one giant social umbrella or ignore the social ills that may cause the problem in the first place. I was talking purely from a laymans perspective of simple everyday human interaction. In other words, how do we interact with homeless regardless of how they got there on a one to one basis. No amount of statistics of how they got that way can touch actually talking to someone. No amount of statistics or political finger pointing (as correct as you are) can beat what you learn actually eating first in a soup kitchen. Robace hit the nail on the head in talking of his experience simply on a human level. But you do make very sound points. Its just not what I was really getting at
 
Pursuit of Happyness

This is an excellent thread,
it's too true it's actually too easy to fall into this sort of vicious downward spiral

Pursuit of Happyness, anyone?

Will Smith does an AMAZING job -- with his son -- of illustrating just how easily these horrible circumstances can snowball to the point where everything looks hopelessly bleak -- Unless you're incredibly lucky,
determined, and are given a break by someone kind...

That movie is not an easy one to sit through, but OMG does it make the point --

--------------------------------
Most of the homeless by me are illegal aliens, and the churches & temples in the area have banded together to give overnight shelter and breakfast to all who pass sobriety tests (and psychological screening, however much possible). Others are put up in motels in really bad weather, I'm not sure where exactly, I'm sure it's the cheapest available but far better than nothing, as funds are limited

--- But they don't get all of the homeless, some of these folks are wary, though word travels back and more do come for the shelter & warm food --

A young man, I think an illegal immigrant about 20 yrs old, froze in the woods last year since he had been beaten by someone, drank too much and didn't make it out of the woods to the pickup location.

Not all are illegal -- a few are quite down on their luck, one is an old guy who lives in his car, another is mentally challenged, and a couple of others were unable to keep up with mortgage payments. Luckily that couple seems to have disappeared, it looks as though they might've gotten an apartment.

I think very, very few are out there by "choice."



I realize this is simplistic, but just as medical care should be available to all, there should be some sort of expanded dormitory system, even if only a small room with a bed and a table. Of course security is a problem too, it's quite an undertaking,

...but if the *outrageous profits that oil companies have been stealing the last few years, alone,
and/or coupled with our grossly mismanaged taxes,
--were channelled into social security and homeless shelters/social services

for veterans especially, as someone noted --- those numbers are increasing once again, from Afghanistan and more from Iraq --- Sometimes there's delayed shock, and no governmental support --
(And wasn't there cheap housing provided after WWII??)

--there would be far less people in this horrific predicament.

To answer the initial question, I agree with what others have written, it's obvious these folks are dismissed as waste products too often, and just need a bit of support and kindness, and there isn't an adequate (support system/safety net) built into our society.
At least, to have others respond to them normally and nicely would at least improve their outlook, even if a person won't or can't give assistance.
 
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