if you like tickle torture, does that mean you're a masochist?

[SadCuzNotTcklsh]

If tickling itself is partially a pain response, does that mean if you like to be tickled, you like pain?

I know this is a good question, but am having trouble coming up with other details for it. Can someone help me out?

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Tickle fetishists and "real" BDSM guys argue this all the time, the tickle people insisting 'it is so the same thing!', and the BDSM guys telling them to shut up.

the answer though is "probably".

 

[-Hari-]

yes, always yes, if for no other reason than to annoy the people who swear blind that tickle has no place in the BDSM community 😀 that sort of closed mindedness deserves to be wound up 🙂

 

[MaleTickleeDC]

If tickling itself is partially a pain response, does that mean if you like to be tickled, you like pain?

I know this is a good question, but am having trouble coming up with other details for it. Can someone help me out?

Yes I think it does. I've always exhibited masochistic tendencies in other areas of my life. When I was younger I didn't realize why I would do things that were purposely self-defeating but now I realize that there's some part of me that simply "likes" pain, just not overt physical pain. The pain that I seem drawn to is tickling and other forms of largely psychological pain. I have a theory that a lot of BDSM masochists have the pleasure and pain parts of their brain crossed somehow. Maybe it's just faulty wiring. Or maybe it's something that happened when we were young.

 

[rhiannon]

If tickling itself is partially a pain response, does that mean if you like to be tickled, you like pain?

No. I definitely don't like pain, and as soon as there is pain involved, I want it to stop.

 

[Myriads]

1. A condition in which sexual or other gratification depends on one's suffering physical pain or humiliation.
2.a person who is gratified by pain, degradation, etc., that is self-imposed or imposed by others.
3. a person who finds pleasure in self-denial, submissiveness, etc.

These are the three most basic definitions of Masochism. While pain is a an aspect in the main one, it's not always considered needful for the state.

The core of the concept is the idea of enjoying "Suffering" and suffering can take many forms, many of which have no pain at all involved.

A person who enjoys orgasm play (with holding) is not being hurt or put in pain, but is being frustrated out of their mind. That is a form of suffering. And a form of Masochism.

Tickling, provokes a response that is beyond the subjects control, and when prolonged creates a state of suffering (They may like it, but also want it to stop too) That is masochistic in outlook.

So yes. Tickling can be a Masochistic path.

Myriads

 

[milagros317]

If tickling itself is partially a pain response, does that mean if you like to be tickled, you like pain?

I know this is a good question, but am having trouble coming up with other details for it. Can someone help me out?

Enjoying tickle torture as the lee certainly can be a form of masochism, but there certainly are people who enjoy being tickled senseless but hate pain. So it is not always so.

 

[TickVix]

possibly 😀

 

[WorkInProgress]

Well, let's refocus the question slightly. I don't think it's so much a question of whether you like other forms of pain, but rather, if you like being tickled so hard that you're howling in agony (as you see at NEST when someone's tied down and has five or six sets of fingers at work all over), is that, by definition, a form of masochism?

And I think each individual lee will have his or her own answer. In my case, it's not so much masochism as liking the strange stimulation. (I'm a bad lee, though, because I'm only ticklish when taken completely by surprise, not when I ask someone to tickle me.)

But, ask me whether, when I'm the ler, the sensation I'm getting off on is sadism, and the answer is: absolutely. A few years ago at NEST I was tickling a woman's feet (that was the only part she made available), and she was just lying there placidly smiling the whole time; drove me crazy. (She was sweet, and if she's reading this, she should know, I still enjoyed meeting her and getting to tickle her--but I'm a tickle sadist, which means I want to hear some shrieks and moans.)

 

[Crazy Wabbit]

In a way, I am wanting to say that it is back by the same concept, yet it is also different. But each time I do, I have to think how? Just because tickling would be something that would be seen as so pleasurable to the point where you can hardly stand it, as opposed to somebody writhering in pain from being flogged, caned, etc. What is considered enjoyable to one may not be to another.

However, being new to the scene, I do pose a question when it comes to people who are sadists and masochists. If a masochist is a person who is sexually stimulated from suffering and a sadist is a person who is sexually stimulated from causing suffering to another, then when a masochist is begging to be punished, hurt, etc., wouldn't the worse thing a sadist could do would be to deny what the masochist wants, which is to do nothing at all?

 

[derkitzelnkonig]

No I dont think so because for me if the person is genuinely hating being tickled or miserable I get no pleasure / fun out of it. I like the person to be really ticklish and reaction thus so, even if they are begging for it to stop which is a common thing but that doesnt mean they really hate it and if I knew they did I wouldnt be having fun tickling them.