iraq

[kitzel_fan]

excuse me guys, to interrupt you. but i dont think it is a good idea to post a tickle story in connection to the war. i think that war is the most stupid thing that could ever happen. and since you guys maybe dont know, there are people dying, and this is a international site. so please be careful with words. thanks

 

[BigNorm]

yeah, that's right....

the shit is really starting to hit the fan over there. i'm sure TKDANNY didn't mean to offend anyone. maybe if someone wrote a story where american troops rescue the reporter and her daughter, kill the guards, and decide to tickle torture the chick who tortures the reporter, thus proving america kicks ass and doesn't take that shit, while raising morality about the war today.

it's just an idea for a tickling story in baghdad that doesn't offend anybody.

hope ya like the idea and hopefully someone will do it if people like it.😎

 

[Hitman]

Your right there should not be anything posted about the War untill its over, But this war is not stupid its about damn time we removed Saddam from power. This war was a long time come and I for one supprot our troops who are over there kicking some ass.

 

[NJ-Foot-Tickler]

I agree Hitman..The war was not started by us. It started 9/11
We're defending ourselfs from terrorist groups using countrys that
don't give a shit. The war is for the protection of the good ole'
USA.....

 

[Myriads]

Just so folks know why this is here, it was moved from stories, where people were discussing the properness of having a tickle-fiction story about Iraq. As it was not a story, it was more proper for here.

Myriads

 

[august spies]

ok course the war is stupid and of course it was started by you. no matter how hard you try and say otherwise 2+2=4

 

[ShiningIce]

Cant we all just get along?

 

[He-Man]

..The war was not started by us. It started 9/11
We're defending ourselfs from terrorist groups using countrys that
don't give a shit. The war is for the protection of the good ole'
USA.....

IMHO, the war started with the first Gulf War (that's what the first time we faced off with Saddam was called, wasn't it?)...this seems more like "Gulf War, part 2 " , were America finishes what should've been done last time (taking Saddam out of power for good ) and 9/11 is more like what motivated the President and others to actually finish the job.

 

[Hitman]

War

Hey august spies you are missing the point of this war. Its to remove a evil man form power, protect the USA, UK, and whatever country you are from and to free the Iraqi people. Yes Bush Jr. is finishing what his dad should have finished along time ago. Just remember it is the Soldier that gives you the freedom of speech and no one else. So God bless the US, UK and all fighting in the war in Iraq and may they come home safe.

 

[kitzel_fan]

sorry it is me again

just to get it right. i think this war is just a oil resources political who has more power war. it is not good against bad. saddam is a real ashole, i know. but do you really think you free some people by bombing their asses away?

 

[Deleted member 2452]

Re: sorry it is me again

just to get it right. i think this war is just a oil resources political who has more power war. it is not good against bad. saddam is a real ashole, i know. but do you really think you free some people by bombing their asses away?

you can't make an omlette, with out breaking eggs.
it's not for oil, to think it is, is just plain playing ostrich.
steve

 

[Sadistictickler]

whatever motives Bush has, I think the people of the US are simply "brainwashed" by the multinationals which have interests in the media as well as in the weapon industries. TV-shows not being broadcasted because too many anti-war activists were allowed to state their point and a man being arrested for refusing to take off an anti-war t-shirt. That sounds more like a dictatorship to me...

The war in Iraq is not rightful, as far as I consider, for the fact that it's not just a matter of rolling in and slapping Saddam's butt, it's a far more complicated matter. First of all, the Kurds in the north wanting to establish their own state. The Turks will try to prevent that at all cost which gives the US a huge problem for both the Turks AND the Kurds are their allies. Furthermore, the post-war governement is probably going to consist of Iraqi's who are a puppet of Bush the same way Blair is. Then you've also got the oil problem. Bush has made a huuuuge (about 1600 bilion US dollars) debt which is growing alot every day the war carries on. Even if he took all of Iraq's oil straight out of the ground and brought every drop of it to the US, he'd still be stuck with some 500 bilion dollars debt. Seeing the fact that he presented the "new" way of American warfare as a clean business in which there are no civillian casualties due to the enormous accuracy of the latest high-tech crap, I think there are still alot of people who don't know what a real war is. If you look at the course of history, there are certain mistakes being repeated over and over again. This became very clear in the past century. The 2nd world war occured just 1 generation after the first one had ended. The sons of those who had fought in the trenches were sent to battle during the 2nd world war. After that, they've completely forgotten what a war really meant and well, the American boys were sent to Vietnam, thinking that they'd win and be hero's like their fathers and grandfathers who've fought in the great wars. And well, now there's a new flock of dumb sheep thinking they'll make it quick and efficient and rumble into baghdad without a single casualty or a single civillian dead. Saddam might be a sick bastard, a war is NOT the way of getting rid of him, nor are the UN sanctions that have by now killed more Iraqi's than there have died during the 1st Gulf war. (bombing a powerplant may cut the power of a militairy base, it also stops the waterpumps from working, thus creating a huge shortage of water in the large cities of Iraq)

War is dirty and it'll never be a clean business, and it'll probably take another bloody century before dumb mankind realises that.

 

[Hitman]

Dont give me that tired argument that this war is for oil. If we wanted that oil we whould have taken it a long time ago. Who in the world has the power to stop us. Your right war is not the answer to everything but neiter is peace. We tried peice for 12 years or have you forgot that, and look at what Saddam did with that time, he built more wepons and chemicals. So it all boils down to that the only way to get rid of him is to kill him and his follwers. Inocect people will get harmed by this war and for that I am sad but the only thing Saddam understands is war and thats the way to get him out. And since the UN is worthless it falls to the US and UK to protect the world ass agin. God bless the US and UK.

 

[JRavada]

Sadam is a madman who tourchered his own people. His son made rape rooms to rape women kidnapped from their own homes. Theu used cheese gratters to scrape off skin of people who didnt like Sadam's Ideas. France, Russia and Germany all helped Iraq gain weapons and traded too them. The world knows he lied, we found the chemical weapons. It's time for the towel headed asshole to die.

 

[theallknowing1]

The war in iraq

I think it is interesting that most people have not mentioned anything about the history of these recent conflicts. First lets start with Osama bin Laden. Back during the Cold War the US wanted to stop the USSRs expansion at any cost. One way they tried to do this was by providing CIA training and US money and armaments to a military group called THE TALIBAN. This was done when the USSR was trying to invade Afghanistan. Osama bin laden was one of the operatives trained here. Of course when the US decided that it was no longer in there interest to support them, they stopped supplying weaponry and funds, pulled the CIA out, and left Osama Bin Laden and his men to deal with the Russians on their own. Of course this is not the first time something like this has happened. It happened in Cuba, when the US helped a "democratic supportive" lawyer named Fidel Castro, overthrow the Cuban dictatorship. Then when he turned communist they set up a mission with the CIA to overthrow him, involving a civilian overthrow, followed by US marine, and Navy support. Unfortunately the plan was set up by a previous president and when JFK took office he wasnt sure about it. But he gave it the go ahead anyway. At the last moment, after the quasi-successful civilian overthrow Kennedy decided not to send in the marines. Due to this decision many were killed by Castro. This is now Called the Bay of Pigs incident. However these are by far not the only countries the US has mingled in the affairs of. The US had mingled in Iraqs affairs before the Gulf war. Other notable interferences include Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, etc. Another note though, My field is Computer Security, but i also specialize in general security. An analysis of 9-11 from the details available to the public shows that there were very serious breaches in security protocol that need to be addressed.
Some of these are things such as overlooking passports from countries that DO NOT EXIST. One thing that interests me as a Security professional is that when you are a security professional it is YOUR responsibility if the security you are supposed to be providing is breached. On most occasions where there is a serious security breach the person in chare of that security gets in serious trouble, a good portion of the time being fired. If the breach was bad enough they may even get a reputation and have trouble with getting new employment. Now your probably wondering how this relates. Well I'll tell you. One of the main jobs of a government is to protect its people. So when a government HORRIBLY fails at this job, why are they not forced to take responsibility for it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the attack on 9-11 was justified. I am just saying that a government cannot say that it is the attackers responsibility not to attack, and that releives them of their responsibility to be prepared for one. So why do we not see government people being held responsible for their "part" in the 9-11 attacks.

 

[ShiningIce]

Hmm interesting points.

 

[Sadistictickler]

Dont give me that tired argument that this war is for oil. If we wanted that oil we whould have taken it a long time ago. Who in the world has the power to stop us.

No you could had not; ever heard of trading? The US would had become an international pariah and well, your economy would become rather a failure. And what about China for instance? You might think of China as a developing country, they're developing weaponry very fast. Furthermore, with about 1 bilion pieces of cannonfodder, you get the same results as in Vietnam; alot of Chinese and Vietnamese casualties that they didn't give a shit about, and although less, still too many American casualties.

Besides, the connection between Saddam and Osama has never been proven, it's just another fantasy idea to brainwash the US citizens.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

a couple of points

a few things were said that i would like to address.
1) tony blair was bill clintons boy! clinton was happier than a pig in shit when blair was elected!
2) some of us have been in combat, some of us do know what war is about. yes every generation seems to have a war, but maybe, just maybe, that's because every new generation has a despot, dictator that needs killing!
3) this war is not about oil.
steve

 

[Sadistictickler]

Of course it's not for oil. It's for world dominance. The neo-conservative thinktank members who invented the current plans to conquer Iraq to gain control over the region are now in top-US governement positions. People like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz

 

[Deleted member 2452]

Of course it's not for oil. It's for world dominance. The neo-conservative thinktank members who invented the current plans to conquer Iraq to gain control over the region are now in top-US governement positions. People like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz

*sigh*... my therapist tells me i have to stop letting stuff like this get to me, so i'll not dignify this with a substinative answer.
steve

 

[shark]

According to David Horowitz and others,the peace marches we are seeing are funded by various communist groups, such as the WWP,the American Communist Party,North Korea,et.al. There are no parties better at brainwashing than the communists have been,and they are apparently doing well in the Netherlands.

Considering the mass of media sources available in the US,both national and worldwide in origin,it looks like ST either has no idea what he is talking about,is brainwashed himself,or doesn't mind mass murder by a particular leftist or despotic regime.

Considering the glowing success of Dutch peacekeepers in protecting the Muslims at Srebrenica in 1995,one wonders if turning 7500 of them over to the Serbs wasn't what they had in mind.

As far as the "you backed him once" approach goes,that's called international politics.If everything stayed the same black and white,
never-changing scenario,World War 2 could still be going on.It's not pretty,but it's the truth.Your enemy one day is your "friend" the next,just like the Allies/USSR deal.

If one cares to believe this war is about oil,then believe it.Just realize that the US could do without most of the Arab oil we use,as many oil companies here import no Arab oil.It might be YOUR prices and supply that are a consideration here,as many believe was the major reason for the Gulf War in 1991.

 

[Sadistictickler]

the oil reserves of Iraq are approxamitly 5 times bigger than those in the US, and seeing the US demand for oil is growing ever larger, Arab oil will prove essential for the future.

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Holland has no big communist party. The last elections which were held 21st of January the New Communist party got some 10.000 votes nationwide, on a population of 16 million. We do have a large socialist movement. But calling the socialists communists would mean the Bush Administration would be even more extreme right-winged than the KKK. Holland has, in contrary to the US, a balanced political scale in which left and right parties are about equal in size, the US has only got 2 conservative parties being laying very close to oneanother in the political spectrum.

 

[Hitman]

Hey Sadistictickler are you some kind of a Anti-American. Yes I have heard of trading, but if it came down to it and the US really wanted that oil from Iraq there is nobody in the world that can compare to our Military not even china. And true there has been no connection made between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam but its just common sence. Dont you think Saddam would want to get back at the US after what we did do him in the first Gulf War. Now I bring up the past. Who ever thinks this is for World Domination are morons. In WW2 we took France and Japan and alot of other lands Granted we kept some small islands in the Pacifc but we gave back the lands that mattered and then we helped them re-build there socity. So anyone who thinks the America is imperalistic is just trying to find something to bitch about because they dont know the whole story.

 

[Sadistictickler]

I'm not anti-american, I'm just incredibly annoyed by the foreign policy of the Bush Administration ("if you aren't with us, you're against us" and stuff like that)

The 2nd WW was a totally different time, the isolationist movement was quite strong at that time, therefore the US did not participate in the war untill Pearl Harbor.

And uhm, common sense isn't quite a reason in my opinion to attack another country, I could say "it'd be logical if the Iranians aided Osama bin Ladin too, let's nuke'em!" but that'd be ridiculous. If rockhard proof was shown to the world proving that Saddam DID give Osama some chemical shit, the matter would be different. But that's not the case, it's just some vague evidence only the US and Brittain believe...

 

[theallknowing1]

All this talk about oil

I'm not going to debate over whether or not oil has any significance in the War on Iraq. But Even if it Does, it is BY FAR not the biggest issue. I have noticed that most posts so far have dealt with either:
A)Oil, and had no evidence to back it up whatsoever
or
B)Bush's little Propaganda Men(Who either must be on his payroll or possess some strange Worship-like loyalty to him), who also list no concrete evidence, and say everything is the Middle Easts Fault.

I'm not saying the Middle East does not share some of the fault, but I think we share quite a lot too. Remember, there are always AT LEAST two sides to a story, and both have at least some truth to them. Don't let this become another incident like the Versailles Treaty where one party is forced to take the blame for everything(Germany). We all remember what happened there. For those of you who don't I'll tell you. The Versailles treaty among other things did:
A)Forced Germany to take all the blame for the war(destroying its pride)
B)Forced Germany to pay huge war reparations(destroying its economy)
C)Forced Germany to change government to a democracy called the Weimar Republic
The Weimar republic elected a "harmless, all-talk" chancelor named Adolph Hitler.

Now,Back to the issue at hand.

In my not so humble opinion, I think it would be interesting to see at least a couple posts about what Fault the US and(mainly the US) other European governments share in this issue. Or if people must ramble on about oil, or spread their propaganda, it would be nice to see some supporting evidence.

I look forward to your feedback.