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Knismolagniac symbol???

Black inside red represents a persons mind,body,and spirit co-existing in a world surrounded by chaos.Outer black meaning chaos.

I guess sort of like us hiding our feeling about tickling from a society unwilling or unready to understand.Still trying to exist in it though ya know.

My Martial Arts mumbo jumbo,lol.Just wanted to contribute.
 
right ok, so explain to me the BDSM symbol in code, the more everyone understands about how this works the better.

What sort of things would be involved in a Knismolagnia code? would have to be things that applied to everyone whos shares it. for example you couldnt have anythign that symbolises feet really, cause some poeple dont involve them in theyre Knismolagnia fun

Well, before I go further, here are my thoughts...

The BDSM symbol reminds me strongly of an old tri-swirl symbol I've seen in Japanese paintings, adorning the garments of samurai and such. I worked on a story once where I was going to use the Japanese symbol, but I wanted to know the meaning of the symbol first so I could tie it in. Turns out, I couldn't find anyone who knew the symbol's actual meaning. I even asked Stan Sakai, since his character, Usagi Yojimbo, is associated with a symbol that seems inspired by it, with three black circles (but without the "tails" that make it a swirl). He didn't know either, but removed the tails and used the three black circles as a stylized rabbit footprint, fitting with the anthropomorphic rabbit Usagi...

In both Stan's case, and, it would appear, in the case of the BDSM community, it wasn't just a random selection, but drawing on inspiration from a long-standing symbol, the meaning of which has been obscured by time, and modifying and thus repurposing it... For those things which have no obvious symbols lending themselves (bondage lifestyles and samurai rabbits), this seems a sound route.

We, however, are in a unique position, as the feather has long been a universal symbol associated with tickling... I would tend to think that some variety of feather symbolism -- something that indeed lends itself to tickling -- would be important in this... Further, I'd be less in favor of a symbol that could just apply to anything than one that seems could be directed toward something... And that's why, despite how very visually striking the neuron image is that Hari worked up from subtle_feather's thought, I think I'm looking for something else... That would be a great symbol for a psychological society, or Mensa or somesuch, but I don't see tickling there any more than I'd see anything else the brain could process... But it IS an excellent and powerful graphic, for which you both should be commended. 🙂

I guess, for me, it's one thing that outsiders don't see the meaning, but it's another when the insiders don't see the meaning or a connection unless they're told, "Hey, this is our symbol."...

That said, what I offer may be too obvious, but I don't know... I'll leave it to y'all to decide. Maybe we can find a middle ground... I'll keep working with my own thoughts which combine the simplest elements that I believe are specific and universal to our interest: feather and flesh.

Below are my first two thoughts: one involving a feather and another a hand (as many say feathers are pointless, I figured I'd offer that variation). I depicted a stomach receding from the feather/fingers, simply because that is the reaction, is it not? And besides, tummies are one of the places folks go for most often because of sensitivity and access. Hopefully both stomach and hand are rendered such that neither are gender specific. If there are criticisms on my achieving that, offer suggestions for better gender neutrality.

If someone really needs an excuse to tell someone that it's something other than what it is, the feather version could easily be an environmental message with the navel as a reminder of birth and a "leaf" 😉 as a symbol of nature. Alternately, the meaning could be interpreted as neo-Christian if you take the leaf to be a palm frond (representing Palm Sunday) and the navel as not only birth, but being under the palm, as a symbol of rebirth in Christ. And I think the hand variation looks like a folded angel's wing, but maybe that's me. :shrug:

Anyway, first thoughts:
 
I see what your getting at and there is no right or wrong here I like what you have done as well and saved it along with the rest. When I get a few more I will put some up for a vote after more people know about it.
 
Well, before I go further, here are my thoughts...

The BDSM symbol reminds me strongly of an old tri-swirl symbol I've seen in Japanese paintings, adorning the garments of samurai and such. I worked on a story once where I was going to use the Japanese symbol, but I wanted to know the meaning of the symbol first so I could tie it in. Turns out, I couldn't find anyone who knew the symbol's actual meaning. I even asked Stan Sakai, since his character, Usagi Yojimbo, is associated with a symbol that seems inspired by it, with three black circles (but without the "tails" that make it a swirl). He didn't know either, but removed the tails and used the three black circles as a stylized rabbit footprint, fitting with the anthropomorphic rabbit Usagi...

In both Stan's case, and, it would appear, in the case of the BDSM community, it wasn't just a random selection, but drawing on inspiration from a long-standing symbol, the meaning of which has been obscured by time, and modifying and thus repurposing it... For those things which have no obvious symbols lending themselves (bondage lifestyles and samurai rabbits), this seems a sound route.

We, however, are in a unique position, as the feather has long been a universal symbol associated with tickling... I would tend to think that some variety of feather symbolism -- something that indeed lends itself to tickling -- would be important in this... Further, I'd be less in favor of a symbol that could just apply to anything than one that seems could be directed toward something... And that's why, despite how very visually striking the neuron image is that Hari worked up from subtle_feather's thought, I think I'm looking for something else... That would be a great symbol for a psychological society, or Mensa or somesuch, but I don't see tickling there any more than I'd see anything else the brain could process... But it IS an excellent and powerful graphic, for which you both should be commended. 🙂

I guess, for me, it's one thing that outsiders don't see the meaning, but it's another when the insiders don't see the meaning or a connection unless they're told, "Hey, this is our symbol."...

That said, what I offer may be too obvious, but I don't know... I'll leave it to y'all to decide. Maybe we can find a middle ground... I'll keep working with my own thoughts which combine the simplest elements that I believe are specific and universal to our interest: feather and flesh.

Below are my first two thoughts: one involving a feather and another a hand (as many say feathers are pointless, I figured I'd offer that variation). I depicted a stomach receding from the feather/fingers, simply because that is the reaction, is it not? And besides, tummies are one of the places folks go for most often because of sensitivity and access. Hopefully both stomach and hand are rendered such that neither are gender specific. If there are criticisms on my achieving that, offer suggestions for better gender neutrality.

If someone really needs an excuse to tell someone that it's something other than what it is, the feather version could easily be an environmental message with the navel as a reminder of birth and a "leaf" 😉 as a symbol of nature. Alternately, the meaning could be interpreted as neo-Christian if you take the leaf to be a palm frond (representing Palm Sunday) and the navel as not only birth, but being under the palm, as a symbol of rebirth in Christ. And I think the hand variation looks like a folded angel's wing, but maybe that's me. :shrug:

Anyway, first thoughts:



thats a very VERY interesting read man, and the images are fantastic but my critism about them is this, they are perhaps too obvious?
 
I have a feeling haribish the only reason we think it's obvious is because we know it's for tickling do you really think someone who was not into tickling would make that connection ?
 
thats a very VERY interesting read man, and the images are fantastic but my critism about them is this, they are perhaps too obvious?

I have a feeling haribish the only reason we think it's obvious is because we know it's for tickling do you really think someone who was not into tickling would make that connection ?

It's a legit criticism Hari, and rather expected of this first offering -- I think it may be a touch too obvious myself... The question is, would folks want to wear such a symbol? Would they feel comfortable doing so? Knowing just how sensitive some folks are to letting this sort of info out, they're going to be very careful about what sort of symbolism they'd be comfy with... If the majority feels others would know or know too easily the meaning, then no, it won't be accepted, and really shouldn't be...

It's a delicate walk, carrying meaning to some while obscuring it to others... I'll keep working...
 
I have a place on my left forearm I will put the tatoo if we do this and it goes over well
 
'Nother option... Eschewing my own "feather" advice for something a little more aboriginal in feel: just fingertip and sensation. Could simplify it, but I like the little lines connoting the power in the swirl -- maybe they should be inverted to make exclamation points... Still playing around... 🙂

This, at least, is less likely to be "recognized" by outsiders, and still should carry meaning with "insiders", I think...
 
I really loved these two as well. 🙂
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And indeed a very interesting story. I also was very sceptic about the use of a feather, but in my eyes you acculy managed to do this very well. The neuron logo on these two are on my "favorite list".
 
I like them all really but my only concern is it has to be bold or stand out. I understand that these are only sketches but to put up for a poll there gonna have to be a finished product. I hope all see my point
 
I like them all really but my only concern is it has to be bold or stand out.

Yeah I understand that one. In that case the whole neuron logo is good cause it really have a good meaning and is at the same time very neutral.
 
not the meaning really it's bold dark makes a good t shirt or tat. the others need to be darker fatter more noticeable
 
Libertine's Triskele...

There was an idea that popped in my head, and I rejected it instantly before even trying anything with it... And then, after I'd futzed around with my other ideas, I was honored to receive a message from Libertine... Now, I know if Libertine says something, it's usually good, because he doesn't tend to natter on like I do, and only says something where needed. Turns out, he had an idea kind of like the one I rejected, but even better... I think the results demonstrate he was right and I was wrong to dismiss it so early...

This one uses the traditional BDSM triskele as inspiration, but incorporates our own archetypal feather. As with the others, this is still just a rough -- some angles need to be fixed, and I need to smooth some things out -- but I think it looks pretty good.

Many thanks to Libertine! It was, in fact, a very good idea! I hope you like my take on it. 🙂
 
Freaky...

I was actually working on the same exact concepts as CapnMad- both the finger belly yingyang and the altered bdsm symbol. Freakin' identical, how weird. they look great btw, capn.

They all have their pros and cons. I think the neuron is the most cryptic design so far which can be very good for this fetish. The modified bdsm symbol is good except that certain people don't like the more explicit aspects of tickling and may not want to be associated with the more "hardcore" crowd. I like the ying yang concept because it denotes the squirming reflex of a lee the best. It is less cryptic than the neuron but definitly more representable of the fetish.
 
There was an idea that popped in my head, and I rejected it instantly before even trying anything with it... And then, after I'd futzed around with my other ideas, I was honored to receive a message from Libertine... Now, I know if Libertine says something, it's usually good, because he doesn't tend to natter on like I do, and only says something where needed. Turns out, he had an idea kind of like the one I rejected, but even better... I think the results demonstrate he was right and I was wrong to dismiss it so early...

This one uses the traditional BDSM triskele as inspiration, but incorporates our own archetypal feather. As with the others, this is still just a rough -- some angles need to be fixed, and I need to smooth some things out -- but I think it looks pretty good.

Many thanks to Libertine! It was, in fact, a very good idea! I hope you like my take on it. 🙂

That is awesome
 
There was an idea that popped in my head, and I rejected it instantly before even trying anything with it... And then, after I'd futzed around with my other ideas, I was honored to receive a message from Libertine... Now, I know if Libertine says something, it's usually good, because he doesn't tend to natter on like I do, and only says something where needed. Turns out, he had an idea kind of like the one I rejected, but even better... I think the results demonstrate he was right and I was wrong to dismiss it so early...

This one uses the traditional BDSM triskele as inspiration, but incorporates our own archetypal feather. As with the others, this is still just a rough -- some angles need to be fixed, and I need to smooth some things out -- but I think it looks pretty good.

Many thanks to Libertine! It was, in fact, a very good idea! I hope you like my take on it. 🙂


that is a really nice design but my worry about it is that its yet another Triskele, it would be nice to have somethign fresh and new for tickling
 
From a graphical standpoint the best two designs so far are the Neuron Design, it's simple, and symbolic. English speakers can find a 'T' in it, and the curves suggest smiles in a way. It's the sort of abstract symbol that is very good for a group such as ours.

The red/black tridisk by Capmad above is also very strong, though I would suggest that the three small black circles within be removed, and let the feather stems proceed instead. The dots break up the design in a way that is not supportive of the overall design, and I think it would be stronger without. The feathers support each other well graphically without them.

Myriads
 
I also really like the neuron tree thing....

But here a couple of things I've been toying around with... they're kind of incomplete ideas, if anyone with more technical design skill than me wants to pick them up, feel free.

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The first image has two colours, two sides of the circle. I like the number "two" to symbolize our fetish: we've got lers/lees, the love/hate relationship, and the mere fact that laughter comes form something so torturous. It's a fetish of opposites, to be sure. So, in the first symbol, we have black/white, and the white is kind of encroaching on the black, the way tickling acts upon the person being tickled.

The second one is just meant to be some kind of line-art feather. Although it looks like some weird-ass pagoda. I don't think we should rule out the feather as a symbol if we can make it a subtle enough design.
 
From a graphical standpoint the best two designs so far are the Neuron Design, it's simple, and symbolic. English speakers can find a 'T' in it, and the curves suggest smiles in a way. It's the sort of abstract symbol that is very good for a group such as ours.

Cheers boss, a whole load of things I didnt notice about it, you have a good point there, it is a happy little shape isnt it 😀
 
I also really like the neuron tree thing....

But here a couple of things I've been toying around with... they're kind of incomplete ideas, if anyone with more technical design skill than me wants to pick them up, feel free.

symbol.jpg


The first image has two colours, two sides of the circle. I like the number "two" to symbolize our fetish: we've got lers/lees, the love/hate relationship, and the mere fact that laughter comes form something so torturous. It's a fetish of opposites, to be sure. So, in the first symbol, we have black/white, and the white is kind of encroaching on the black, the way tickling acts upon the person being tickled.

The second one is just meant to be some kind of line-art feather. Although it looks like some weird-ass pagoda. I don't think we should rule out the feather as a symbol if we can make it a subtle enough design.

Both good designs, altho personaly I remain against the feather idea, for me its not so much about it being subtle, its more that many of us dont use feathers at all in tickling, same could be said about other tools, so it would be a shame to base the symbol on something that is only relevant to some peoples prefences...if that makes any sense?
 
Both good ideas, altho personaly I remain against the feather idea, for me its not so much about it being subtle, its more that many of us dont see use feathers at all in tickling, same could be said about other tools, so it would be a shame to base the symbol on something that is only relevant to some peoples prefences...if that makes any sense?

Yeah, that's very true - in the same way we wouldn't want it to be a symbol of somebody's knee... it's not universal enough to represent the tickling fetish.

But still, despite the fact that not everyone actually USES feathers in tickling, it's still a symbol that represents tickling. Like, if you were to ask some vanilla dude what words spring to mind when you showed him a picture of a feather, I'm willing to bet he'd say "tickling" right after "bird."
 
Yeah, that's very true - in the same way we wouldn't want it to be a symbol of somebody's knee... it's not universal enough to represent the tickling fetish.

But still, despite the fact that not everyone actually USES feathers in tickling, it's still a symbol that represents tickling. Like, if you were to ask some vanilla dude what words spring to mind when you showed him a picture of a feather, I'm willing to bet he'd say "tickling" right after "bird."

I totally agree that classically its the first thing someone would say, but I think our symbol should have a deeper meaning then simply what springs to mind when you mention "tickling".

And I dunno.. as someone who doesnt use feathers in tickling, I would be unhappy about having it represent my fetish, I cant speak for everyone but im sure many would agree.
 
I totally agree that classically its the first thing someone would say, but I think our symbol should have a deeper meaning then simply what springs to mind when you mention "tickling".

Alright, that's a convincing point. It ought to be something we come up with, not what's already there.

So then I agree the neuron tree thing is the best design so far, BUT, my only concern with it, is that it could easily represent any fetish involving sensation... pain, for example. What about it says tickling, and not just touch?
 
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