Maybe We're Not So Weird After All

[Sleepy Jean]

This came from the Winnipeg (Manitoba) Free Press. Now, I have done some risky things in the sexual arena, but never anything this crazy. I would never turn my lover into a human picnic table.

Woman admits 'rough sex' stabbing
By: Mike McIntyre

Updated: May 14 at 06:34 AM CDT

A Winnipeg university student who nearly stabbed her boyfriend to death during a bizarre act of consensual “knife play” has been spared a jail sentence.

Catherine McCoubrey, 25, was given three years of probation after pleading guilty to assault for the February 2007 incident in Osborne Village.

The 24-year-old victim received a puncture wound to his heart and was given little chance of survival when he was rushed to hospital. He has since made a full recovery and is fully supporting McCoubrey, court was told.

As the Free Press first reported last year, the couple had been drinking alcohol and were engaged in so-called “rough sex” when the boyfriend asked McCoubrey to carve a heart-shaped symbol on to his chest.

She agreed, but accidentally pushed the knife too deep.

Defence lawyer John McAmmond said Tuesday the victim introduced his client to “body modification” and they had previously engaged in knife carving.

McCoubrey, a University of Winnipeg student, had known the man for years but only started dating him weeks earlier. She has no prior criminal record.

The slight, blond woman appeared distraught during her initial court appearance, prompting the judge to ask Remand Centre officials to check on her well-being and ensure she was OK.

She was released on bail, with conditions to have no contact with her boyfriend. McCoubrey admitted Tuesday to breaching on one occasion by having contact with the man. Her guilty plea means they can legally resume their relationship without fear of arrest.

Although a person can consent to some degree of physical abuse, such as with piercing and tattooing, there is no allowance in law for agreeing to have bodily harm done to yourself. That is based on a 1991 Supreme Court of Canada ruling.

David Deutscher, a law professor at the University of Manitoba, told the Free Press a person doesn’t have to intend to cause harm in order to commit a crime, and even so-called “accidents” could result in charges.

A Winnipeg man was convicted of assault causing bodily harm in 2001 despite the fact his longtime lover agreed to be hit on the buttocks with a wooden chair leg and spanked with a leather belt during a sexual encounter.

The woman’s injuries required treatment in hospital and were reported to police despite her protests. The case made national headlines.

 

[ShadowTklr]

Very interesting article. I've always maintained that there is absolutely nothing wrong with us. Our predeliction for tickling and it's association with sexuality is but another of the many varieties of psycho-sexual stimulation.

Although I think that knife play thing is just plain wierd!

 

[lilyisticklish]

Wow that is insane... hmmm I like pain but nowhere near that much.. ouch

 

[xSamanthax]

I don't find it weird. Irresponsible to combine drinking and knife play, yes. But not weird.

The laws are very disturbing, however.

"Although a person can consent to some degree of physical abuse, such as with piercing and tattooing, there is no allowance in law for agreeing to have bodily harm done to yourself. That is based on a 1991 Supreme Court of Canada ruling."

"A Winnipeg man was convicted of assault causing bodily harm in 2001 despite the fact his longtime lover agreed to be hit on the buttocks with a wooden chair leg and spanked with a leather belt during a sexual encounter."

This means that in Canada, a person CANNOT legally consent to certain private sexual activities. It means that BDSM is illegal, even between consenting adults.

I can only assume that this law is not very well enforced?

 

[Sleepy Jean]

The laws are very disturbing, however.

"Although a person can consent to some degree of physical abuse, such as with piercing and tattooing, there is no allowance in law for agreeing to have bodily harm done to yourself. That is based on a 1991 Supreme Court of Canada ruling."

"A Winnipeg man was convicted of assault causing bodily harm in 2001 despite the fact his longtime lover agreed to be hit on the buttocks with a wooden chair leg and spanked with a leather belt during a sexual encounter."

This means that in Canada, a person CANNOT legally consent to certain private sexual activities. It means that BDSM is illegal, even between consenting adults.

I can only assume that this law is not very well enforced?

Let's hope it isn't. Yes Samantha, I found the laws against consensual pain administration to be totally unfair. Seeing as this couple got caught only because the woman sought treatment in a hospital. This would discourage those who are hurt during consentual torture to seek help when needed. Not good.

My husband has beaten the soles of my feet with wooden spoons and leather straps. He was whipped my ass, my belly and my back. Some of the positions I have been tied in have been extremely painful. And, of course, I have had clamps on my nipples and toes. Glad we were never caught by some prude who would report us to the authorites for wanting a lovelife that isn't white bread.

So yeah, I like pain too but carving "I Love Jean" in my belly is definitely out.

Love,
Jean

 

[milagros317]

Consensual but neither safe nor sane.

Moral of the story: Don't play kinky games while you or your partner is drunk.

 

[Artoo]

Consensual but neither safe nor sane.

Moral of the story: Don't play kinky games while you or your partner is drunk.

Unless it's tickling, which might not be so bad 😀

 

[Headsnap]

Moral of the story: Don't play kinky games while you or your partner is drunk.

But surely if you're drunk then everything sex-related could be considered a kinky game. Or maybe it's just a trying ordeal. Especially if she has had a kebab with onions and chilli garlic sauce.

Also... knife play? What the fuck? How do you "do" knife play? "Oh baby, shove it in deeper, that's it, right into my internal organs IT FEELS SO GOOD YOU STABBING ME TO DEATH!"

 

[the wiz]

 

[Elphaba]

We're Not Weird!

Ah this reminds me of a magazine article I just read about a guy who is in love with his car and regularly "makes love" to it.
I mean he seriously has penatrive sex with the exhaust pipe on his car. =|
Now tell me we're not weird! =D
I think this guy is from like Missouri,USA. There's a documentary about it on the TV in the UK -they're called Mechaphiles.
He claims he has a relationship with his two cars, one is a girl car called Ingo and one is a guy car called Todd and he is experimenting with a gay relationship with Todd and he says "It's harder to have sex with Todd because he's on the driveway. When me and Todd started having sex I felt like I was cheating on Ingo but now we are all happy in the relationship"
(See 'Closer UK Magazine' for article)

 

[Artoo]

I mean he seriously has penatrive sex with the exhaust pipe on his car. =|
Now tell me we're not weird!)

Surely the fumes cause cancer or something...

 

[jk666uk]

This came from the Winnipeg (Manitoba) Free Press. Now, I have done some risky things in the sexual arena, but never anything this crazy. I would never turn my lover into a human picnic table.

Woman admits 'rough sex' stabbing
By: Mike McIntyre

Updated: May 14 at 06:34 AM CDT

A Winnipeg university student who nearly stabbed her boyfriend to death during a bizarre act of consensual “knife play” has been spared a jail sentence.

Catherine McCoubrey, 25, was given three years of probation after pleading guilty to assault for the February 2007 incident in Osborne Village.

The 24-year-old victim received a puncture wound to his heart and was given little chance of survival when he was rushed to hospital. He has since made a full recovery and is fully supporting McCoubrey, court was told.

As the Free Press first reported last year, the couple had been drinking alcohol and were engaged in so-called “rough sex” when the boyfriend asked McCoubrey to carve a heart-shaped symbol on to his chest.

She agreed, but accidentally pushed the knife too deep.

Defence lawyer John McAmmond said Tuesday the victim introduced his client to “body modification” and they had previously engaged in knife carving.

McCoubrey, a University of Winnipeg student, had known the man for years but only started dating him weeks earlier. She has no prior criminal record.

The slight, blond woman appeared distraught during her initial court appearance, prompting the judge to ask Remand Centre officials to check on her well-being and ensure she was OK.

She was released on bail, with conditions to have no contact with her boyfriend. McCoubrey admitted Tuesday to breaching on one occasion by having contact with the man. Her guilty plea means they can legally resume their relationship without fear of arrest.

Although a person can consent to some degree of physical abuse, such as with piercing and tattooing, there is no allowance in law for agreeing to have bodily harm done to yourself. That is based on a 1991 Supreme Court of Canada ruling.

David Deutscher, a law professor at the University of Manitoba, told the Free Press a person doesn’t have to intend to cause harm in order to commit a crime, and even so-called “accidents” could result in charges.

A Winnipeg man was convicted of assault causing bodily harm in 2001 despite the fact his longtime lover agreed to be hit on the buttocks with a wooden chair leg and spanked with a leather belt during a sexual encounter.

The woman’s injuries required treatment in hospital and were reported to police despite her protests. The case made national headlines.

it was in the newspapers in the UK

 

[drew70]

Consensual but neither safe nor sane.

I'm really glad somebody pointed this out. The laws are there to try and preempt such foolishness, but it's tough to enforce legislation against stupidity.

Is anybody besides me wondering how this relates to tickling? Seems more like a General Discussion topic to me.

 

[baldadonis]

I'm really glad somebody pointed this out. The laws are there to try and preempt such foolishness, but it's tough to enforce legislation against stupidity.

Is anybody besides me wondering how this relates to tickling? Seems more like a General Discussion topic to me.

I guess the point was loosely comparing this more extreme and dangerous fetish to our own. Probably that didn't really happen here and it is more properly a gen disc topic, but I can see why it was posted here to start.

 

[WorkInProgress]

I favor that law. The moment you carry BDSM play to the point where somebody has to be taken to the emergency room, requiring an ambulance to speed through town and increasing the volume of patients among whom the doctors and nurses have to divide their limited time and attention, you are no longer in the realm of activity that's between you and your partner and nobody else's business. It's the same principle that courts have applied when they rule that the free exercise of religion does not protect the right of backwoods southern congregations to "take up serpents" in Sunday worship. The state has an interest in preventing needless death and injury, and sometimes, when fear of death and injury isn't enough to induce people to use common sense, fear of being arrested will. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't believe the government should have the right to invade your homes or your BDSM clubs and tell you what to do, but again, the moment an ambulance gets called--or rather, the moment that a situation arises that would cause a reasonable person to call an ambulance--you've left your zone of privacy and entered into the zone of public interest.

 

[chicago]

I know there are people that are into knife play, and for some reason while I would never want to be involved in something like that, it doesn't exactly freak me out.

It's the same with anything bdsm, you can't engage in activities potentially fatal unless you really know what you're doing and have taken every precaution so that no one gets hurt. This should be especially true in moments of passion.

 

[PeopleWatcher]

I try to keep an open mind about things, fetishes especially since well...I'd be a hypocrite if i wasn't, but I agree when something is potentially fatal you need to be more responsible.

 

[lilnastydude]

In recent years, the boundaries of weird have been pushed so far that the term no longer applies. I'm all for people getting each other off in what way they see fit, but when hostpitals and courts have to intervene, that's not weird, that's crazy!

 

[Sleepy Jean]

I'm really glad somebody pointed this out. The laws are there to try and preempt such foolishness, but it's tough to enforce legislation against stupidity.

Is anybody besides me wondering how this relates to tickling? Seems more like a General Discussion topic to me.

There should be no legislation against stupidity if the act of stupidity doesn't hurt another party. And since when is the victim's wish to not press charges to be disregarded? Drew, I thought you, as a conservative, would be against the so-called "nanny state."

This relates to tickling because IMO every once in a while those interested in tickling need to know that there are people who do wierder things than we do and besides I wanted to put it in the tickling discussion, that's all.

 

[Sleepy Jean]

I favor that law. The moment you carry BDSM play to the point where somebody has to be taken to the emergency room, requiring an ambulance to speed through town and increasing the volume of patients among whom the doctors and nurses have to divide their limited time and attention, you are no longer in the realm of activity that's between you and your partner and nobody else's business. It's the same principle that courts have applied when they rule that the free exercise of religion does not protect the right of backwoods southern congregations to "take up serpents" in Sunday worship. The state has an interest in preventing needless death and injury, and sometimes, when fear of death and injury isn't enough to induce people to use common sense, fear of being arrested will. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't believe the government should have the right to invade your homes or your BDSM clubs and tell you what to do, but again, the moment an ambulance gets called--or rather, the moment that a situation arises that would cause a reasonable person to call an ambulance--you've left your zone of privacy and entered into the zone of public interest.

I certainly see your point, but I don't favor the law. If no one dies, no one should be arrested in such a situation if the victim declines to press charges.
And if someone gets arrested because an ambulance is called to the scene in which someone needs medical help, that only results in a chilling effect. Next time it happens, maybe the second party dies because the first party doesn't want to be arrested. This situation happens all too often with drug overdoses when kids are afraid to call 9-1-1 because they don't want parents to find out they were using drugs, so a friend who needs medical help ends up in a morgue. Not good. I can deal with the "rough sex" entering the zone of public interest if it saves someone's life.

 

[tulipangel]

This doesnt freak me out at all.... To each his or her own..... Its something I never heard about before but hey, do you! Kinda funny when ya think about it though. People are pretty strange and do some interesting things.

 

[dvnc]

News of the Weird! Saw that article, and it made me sad. It's a great example of knowin' safety in yer kink.

I recall readin' about folks asphyxiating in bondage play due to tickling, due to rope work, due to collars, and near everyone's heard about heart conditions doin' kinked folks in intimate moments. Safety in yer play may take some of the wild abandon out of it, but it DOES prevent dead.

Y'only gotta find that out once, really.

Damned sad.

 

[xSamanthax]

"The state has an interest in preventing needless death and injury, and sometimes, when fear of death and injury isn't enough to induce people to use common sense, fear of being arrested will."

So hockey and football should be illegal, right?

And skydiving, bungee jumping, getting in a cab in NYC, etc.

 

[lilyisticklish]

It is kinda funny because knife play can be fun in my opinion. Granted I would never take it that far to carve someones chest open but light scratches, using knives to cut off clothes, knife held to the throat, those kinds of things can be fun. (and are for me). However those extremes... I cannot imagine getting off on something like that. I agree that those people should not have to fear calling an ambulance and getting help.

 

[xSamanthax]

"And if someone gets arrested because an ambulance is called to the scene in which someone needs medical help, that only results in a chilling effect. "

That's my concern. A lot of people already avoid getting help due to embarrassment. Fear of getting arrested would just compound that.

And what happens when it isn't a matter of stupidity? Things DO happen...even to the most responsible, mature, sober people on the planet.

Do you realize that there would be no tickling videos if producers had to worry about being arrested if, by chance, something goes wrong and the model gets injured? Especially if the model saying "No, don't arrest him, it was an accident" is disregarded?

Yes people are stupid and do really stupid, irrepsonsible/dangerous things. You can't arrest them for it. There would be no one left to run the country!