Models working for multiple producers...what's the big deal?!

[mabus]

Recently a few producers have stated that they won't work with models who have worked with anyone else.

Please explain this to me.....it still makes no sense.

I look at this from the mainstream and tickling world: Most directors, obviously, work with actors who have starred in stuff before. As do erotic art producers.
I.....have never known why some producers won't do this. Was she good to work with, was she friendly, professional, etc.?

I remember watching Star Trek Insurrection, and Picard had his stupid "love interest" (Can you even call what that was, THAT?!) played by Donna Murphy. Goddamn she was
awful in that movie. Shit. Her facial muscles didn't even budge.
Then she was cast in Spiderman 2 as Dr. Octopus's wife. I was like, "Shit, THIS is going to suck!" But ...she was GREAT in that movie. Sam Raimi just knew how to get a
living performance out of her! Same actress, two totally different acting efforts.

In the tickling world, there was a model called Wendy who was tickled in an FM Concepts video. I deleted it, I didn't even notice it, totally unimpressive.
Then she was in a RealTickling video, in suntan sheer toe pantyhose, tickled by two girls, who actually tickled her. TOTALLY different reaction! Very pretty laugh, and she laughed her ass off the whole time! I almost didn't recognize her she was so different.

Each producer brings something different to his work. Why should the fans be stuck with each model ONLY working with their first producer, especially if there's no variation?
A great model may end up working with a producer who ONLY does barefoot in stocks videos. Or, feet tied to a chair in pantyhose.

We'll never see our favorite scenario if she only stops there.

Why the extreme opposition to working with the same model another producer does, especially if you think you can tickle her better, and if she's a good person?

 

[Comfort Eagle]

I've only ever seen a few genuine "I never want to see the same woman in two different places" arguments, but nothing that was ever anything more thought out then "I don't want to see it because I don't want to see it, so there!".

It obviously a big enough problem for some people to be pointed out, but I've never seen a good or even sensible argument for why.

 

[MrTicklefeet]

So which few producers are these? Are they few enough to not upset the scheme of things? I've seen Dr. Mo go through a few producers, and yup, she was a little different in each one. It was fun to watch.
So yes, this attitude doesn't really make sence.

 

[DanDTickler]

I agree with everyone here. I don't get it at all. If a model is great and has good tickle reactions, what does it matter that she was in some other tickle films?

 

[rhiannon]

Please explain this to me.....it still makes no sense.

Here's the explanation: some people working with filming or photographing are big crybabies! I've done quite a bit of modelling as a hobby, and came across some photographers who expected "exclusivity". I wouldn't even shoot with them! Others said things like "If you shoot with this guy, I won't shoot with you anymore". I mean - wtf? Where are we, kindergarten?

And I didn't even do it to make money, so it's even more stupid if you try to do this shit with people who do modelling to make a living!

 

[Phineas]

I worked with someone a looooong time ago (that Bikini Karate Babes chick, you may remember her), and I asked her to not accept offers from other producers. IE, to be exclusive only to me. The reason I did it was because she was slightly famous (BKB was a bit of a cult hit at the time) and I wanted the novelty of having an actual "celebrity" in my project to be a selling point. Unfortunately, I also realized that given how long it would have taken to finish said project, that there was a really good chance that if I told anyone she'd worked with me, some other producer more local to her with deeper pockets would swoop in and snap her up before I could get to market. So, in my case, it was a business decision. We've long since parted ways, though, and fetish modeling was never really her thing anyway, so I'm not concerned that one day I'll find out she broke her promise. Hell, I'd probably be first in line to buy a video. She was a charmer.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Personally, I feel that model "recycling" is not very appealing. To a certain degree it is okay, but there are a couple of models that appear almost everywhere as lees. And those aren't the best (in my opinion) like Brooke or Nikki from TickleAbuse. As ticklers, I feel it is no problem at all. But as lees...depends strongly on the model. Michelle from AceFootProductions is so off the charts cute and ticklish, I wouldn't mind seeing her again with other producers. Taylor Raz or Catherine Fox (while very very hot!) not so much for example.

 

[-Hari-]

People like to have things exclusive to themselves. And I think some people love having the first go and if she's been cast in a clip before then maybe they aren't as fresh and interesting in their opinion, I guess that's probably it.

Personally I follow a model from producer to producer if I think she's fun to watch, its a shame if there are producers putting a roadblock on that sort of thing.

 

[marcusb]

Yes, some producers to take it pretty serious. I've been threatened not to work with "their models" more than once. I don't understand the mentality... but... it's there.

 

[Libertine]

Unless a producer is willing to put a model on a retainer (i.e. a sum of money each week so she can pay her rent/mortgage, feed herself/run a car etc. when she's not actually being used for his films) to ensure exclusivity, how dare he try to control or restrict how she makes her living or progress her career?

 

[Destrucity]

To each his own, though I've never really understood it myself. We've worked with a model from another company and both we, and our fans, enjoyed it. I like to think it's good for the 'lee to expand her resume, so to speak, and good for a company to work with an established name.

The ONLY time we asked a model not to work for others was when Pixie made her debut as a 'ler, against Mrs. Po at TickleMania. And she merely agreed not to 'ler for anyone else until after the clip was released.

 

[tku]

Unless a producer is willing to put a model on a retainer (i.e. a sum of money each week so she can pay her rent/mortgage, feed herself/run a car etc. when she's not actually being used for his films) to ensure exclusivity, how dare he try to control or restrict how she makes her living or progress her career?

I'm certainly more inclined to buy clips of models I haven't seen before, but Libertine is spot on with what he states above. No retainer, no grounds to expect exclusivity ..simple as that 😛

 

[besttickler27]

Speaking strictly from a consumer standpoint who the frick cares if models work for various studios? I know I don't. There are only but so many people who are willing to do fetish material of the tickling nature anyway, as evidenced by all the many companies that have shut down. So why not share the wealth? As stated in this thread, each producer/tickler/ticklee brings something different to each video. It makes things fresh and interesting in my opinion.

 

[besttickler27]

On an unrelated note... MarcusB is alive! haha. When are we going to see some new material from SoTicklish? I really miss your work! You had this uncanny ability to get consistently awesome lees!

 

[turtleboy]

As a producer, I've always made it clear that I don't want to shoot models who do the same shoots for other companies. It is not a personal, possessive 'friendship' type issue but a business one from my point of view. I've always worked hard to introduce new and beautiful models that people won't have seen tickled before - in a sense that is my main aim. If each model can then be found getting tickled on a dozen or so other sites then there is nothing new or exciting and the intended originality is lost.

If I release two or more clips of the same model in a month, the second clip won't sell as well - no matter how good I believe it is - and for this reason, I try and release a variety of scenes with different models. If I released a clip and someone else put a clip out with the same girl the next day or the day before then again my sales would be negatively affected - it stands to reason that I would want to avoid this, and would not be in a hurry to re-book that model. Fortunately, being in the UK and shooting british models has meant this is not a common issue for me, but where it has happened the impact on sales has not been beneficial in the way that some people may believe.

I don't agree that there is a shortage of models to shoot with. Here in the UK, I have shot with hundreds of models many of whom have never done any form of fetish work, let alone tickling before. I have never struggled to find models (there are hundreds of thousands of them in the world after all!) - I just have to work with a lot of them to find the ones that are really ticklish and really great. If another producer simply watches my clips and then seeks out the same models then that is kind of lazy in my opinion. I'm not saying that this is what happens in all cases where models are recycled (I'm sure many of the US fetish models approach numerous producers for work), but I guess it happens some of the time and I guess that it irritates those producers who've done the groundwork to source and shoot them. Personally, I admire those guys who go out and find models from people they meet every day. That takes balls, more than I could ever do but I respect them for it and they bring new faces to the clips!

Of course models can choose to work with whomever they like and unless they have a contract that pays their bills in return for exclusivity then no one can say otherwise - I certainly wouldn't condone anyone 'threatening' other producers or models in the way described above (although I suspect that this is quite a rare occurence). Equally however, photographers and producers are free to choose who they book and if a model is basically doing the rounds of tickling companies then I would see them as having less value.