Non Consensual? "White Knighting"

[P[a]pi]

Next time, instead of asking them to stop, you could ask what their safe word is. If they don't have one, tell them to pick one. Then you can continue doing your thing, and if you hear the safe word, but they don't stop, go drop kick somebody.

But I understand how seeing the build up to their session would make you have a bad gut feeling.

I'm sure the guy just beat the shit out of her when they got home though cus he isn't a white knight.

 

[A/S/H]

This was what I was trying to say in my first post. The term "White Knight" is bullshit because whoever created it just hates to be called out when he's being an asshole.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I disagree with this to some degree. White Knights tend to believe that women are incapable of arguing their opinion or standing up for themselves, and that they need a male presence to help protect them. Now I do believe that misogynist anti-feminists believe that any male that agrees with a female is a white knight because in their world view a male could never agree with a female unless he wanted sexual favors from her. But that is to say that White Knighting does not exist.

As to this situation, I am not sure. This group event was not organized very well. There should have been set rules, so there would be no ambiguity. Therefore, I think the OP probably did the right thing.

Being anti-feminist doesn't make one a misogynist it makes them a civil libertarian.

 

[chicago]

 

[MrPeanut]

Ah, the good old days...

 

[Park CollegeO]

Being anti-feminist doesn't make one a misogynist it makes them a civil libertarian.

 

[Wolf]

All I can say is, Thank God someone decided to finally stand up for the rights of MEN in this thread!

 

[SlaverTickler]

Ah, the good old days...

Problem is Feminism & Suffrage are 2 different things. The latter was a movement intended to bring women into an equil status with men. The prior is a movement dedicated to emasculating men while absolving women of accountability.

Not to mention shaming women who don't fall into line with the "Mistress Plan". Like actress Kaly Cuoco
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/cort...pose-more-radical-feminist-hypocrisy-n1937488

Death threats sent to Erin Pizzey (Founder of the women's shelter movement in 1971) because she spoke up about shelters for male victims of domestic violence.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5-jqQYU1M

The harassment of the Duke University lacrosse team over what turned out to be bogus rape accusations by Crystal Magnum. Because nothing says "civil rights" like assuming guilt before the DNA evidence has even been collected.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0c7Tw6KS7rk

And denying male post secondary student an on campus Men's Group at Ryerson University.

So yeah, feminism can suck it.


PS:

Where I work one of the women is getting trained to be a machine operator. 4 weeks ago she wanted to quit because the work was tough and the factory was really hot. I am the one who convinced her to tough it out, and I am the one who encouraged her to apply for the operator's position. So fuck all of you.

 

[Wolf]

Problem is Feminism & Suffrage are 2 different things. The latter was a movement intended to bring women into an equil status with men. The prior is a movement dedicated to emasculating men while absolving women of accountability.

Emasculating men?
Oh, give it a rest, you silly SOB. The Womenz just want equality. They aren't interested in your kibbles n' bits.
Maybe that's why you're so angry at them all the time.

 

[duderino84]

Equality is mostly here. It's how people use it that matters. If you're going to go for SJW dynamics and try to correct everyone's course of thought, sorry, losing battle. Doesn't this shit belong in the politics sub forum or something?


Anyhow, back to tickling. If it's unappreciated and affecting someone negatively (trying to keep it simple), then someone should grow a pair and stop it. I mean, it's prettymuch harassment, no?

 

[chicago]

True, it's the part where you interpret what is "affecting someone negatively" in a scenario where begging, pleading, general look of discomfort is par for the course. Thus the reason for safe words.

 

[Wolf]

Equality is mostly here. It's how people use it that matters. If you're going to go for SJW dynamics and try to correct everyone's course of thought, sorry, losing battle. Doesn't this shit belong in the politics sub forum or something?


Anyhow, back to tickling. If it's unappreciated and affecting someone negatively (trying to keep it simple), then someone should grow a pair and stop it. I mean, it's prettymuch harassment, no?

Who, outside of the relationship, makes the determination that it's time to grow a pair and stop it?

 

[Comfort Eagle]

 

[Sensualswitch10]

Since this thread has taken a turn towards gender issues, I am curious if people's opinions would be the same, ie the ler was an asshole, deserved to get beat up, should be arrested etc if the genders were reversed. So, say the aggressor was female, harassing her wussy boyfriend all night, him finally relenting and then her tickling him until he had rope burns while be pleaded. What if it was two gay men? Or two lesbians? Just curious if the reversal of gender would change anyone's stance.

 

[Wolf]

Since this thread has taken a turn towards gender issues, I am curious if people's opinions would be the same, ie the ler was an asshole, deserved to get beat up, should be arrested etc if the genders were reversed. So, say the aggressor was female, harassing her wussy boyfriend all night, him finally relenting and then her tickling him until he had rope burns while be pleaded. What if it was two gay men? Or two lesbians? Just curious if the reversal of gender would change anyone's stance.

Excellent question.

 

[chicago]

Personally, my opinion wouldn't change based on the same kind of vague and unsure circumstances.

I think most people are used to seeing and looking out for female "victims" of abuse and may not even recognize or view the situation the same if genders we're different. It's not right, but that's what contributes to the white Knight effect. Most aren't intentionally trying to be that, but there's a big aspect of this damsel in distress shit within culture/society and I think especially in this community at times.

 

[Park CollegeO]

Personally, my opinion wouldn't change based on the same kind of vague and unsure circumstances.

I think most people are used to seeing and looking out for female "victims" of abuse and may not even recognize or view the situation the same if genders we're different. It's not right, but that's what contributes to the white Knight effect. Most aren't intentionally trying to be that, but there's a big aspect of this damsel in distress shit within culture/society and I think especially in this community at times.

I agree with your general point and several previous ones you made in this thread. But I disagree in that most aren't intentionally trying to be that. Most guys who behave this way fantasize about meeting girl by white knighting. Those who are into the nightlife scene witness this first hand and it's a conversation i've had several times with people. Instead of saying hi you're looking good tonight can i buy you a drink they'd much rather wait for a situation where an illusion/perception of a white knight situation presents itself(and 90% of the time, it's purely in their head), and they pounce. It's such an ugly look!

 

[duderino84]

Who, outside of the relationship, makes the determination that it's time to grow a pair and stop it?

If you saw some girl you didn't really care about getting tickled in a manner that looked clearly painful and wasn't enjoying it, that wouldn't sort of inspire you to say at the very least "hey guys, maybe you wanna get a room?"

 

[duderino84]

True, it's the part where you interpret what is "affecting someone negatively" in a scenario where begging, pleading, general look of discomfort is par for the course. Thus the reason for safe words.

Words are words, actions are actions, daffodils smell like flowers, and safe words are utter fucking nonsensical bullshit. A ler is in a position of trust to read when the Lee has to breathe, is in pain, or is done. Inserting a dumb word doesn't do much, in my opinion

 

[Wolf]

If you saw some girl you didn't really care about getting tickled in a manner that looked clearly painful and wasn't enjoying it, that wouldn't sort of inspire you to say at the very least "hey guys, maybe you wanna get a room?"

This was at a play party, where, as I understand it, the boundaries of societal norms do not apply; how are you to know someone isn't enjoying it? Some people like to push the envelope, and I know from personal experience that some people (yes, even women) enjoy being able to scream and yell for something to "stop", when they really don't want it to stop. That's part of the fun, and the part where safewords come in.

 

[duderino84]

I guess. Sounds like a private scenario to me. I doubt if the safe word is used it's very safe. Why not use a pasta timer, or better yet, a pressure cooker so at least dinner will be ready when you finish?

 

[Wolf]

I guess. Sounds like a private scenario to me. I doubt if the safe word is used it's very safe. Why not use a pasta timer, or better yet, a pressure cooker so at least dinner will be ready when you finish?

I get the dismissive tone regarding safewords, I just don't understand how you justify it.

 

[duderino84]

It just doesn't sound fun, your definition of tickling. It sounds like you're looking to dominate someone and want a safe word to feel good about it after.

 

[Wolf]

It just doesn't sound fun, your definition of tickling. It sounds like you're looking to dominate someone and want a safe word to feel good about it after.

Uhm, no. You understand I'm talking about TWO people in a situation, not just one inflicting something on another one. I find "hardcore" D/s to be silly, myself, but some people like to play with power dynamics.
People in a relationship can experiment with boundaries and "power" without it being a D/s scene. What the hell do you think roleplaying is all about, anyway?
It sounds like you're making judgments on other people based on very limited experiences.

 

[duderino84]

Lol idk wtf you're babbling about, but keep going. It's tickling. I'm not talking about whips and chains. If a ler is focused on the tickling and hears the Lee laughing, it's still good. If it turns to wailing, screaming, warning. If no laughing/crying, damage done. Why need a safe word at that point? Words are useless. They aren't actions.