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non-tickling spouses (what does one do?)

Wow...this is exactly what is going on with me as well. I didn't completely fall into my desire of tickling until after I was married. I have always had a foot fetish and tickle fetish, but didn't live up to it and realize it fully until after I was married. I love my wife...but she hates being tickled. And it is SOOOO frustrating. But even more frustrating for me is that she won't even tickle me! I don't understand this one. I have (for seven years now) told her time and time again how much it means to me, and how important it is to me that she participate in this with me, yet she won't do it. She says, "ok...I understand, but then nothing ever happens." I even have flat out told her, "I think about your feet and being tickled every day - seriously, every day"...and still she doesn't get it. I don't know what else I have to do but tie myself to the bed and wait for her to come home one night. (Which did work once, but she tickled me for a whole 15 minutes and it was over).

Falcon, if you figure it out, and figure out the magic words to get it to happen, let me know. I'll be quite interested to find out what happens.

MWM
 
Very interesting thread. Falcon, I feel for you. I hope somehow, someway, you and your wife can come to a "compromise".

Here's what I don't understand. Why should Falcon give up his love for tickling? Because his wife doesn't like it? From recent posts, it seems like Falcon already goes above and beyond treating his wife well and sacrificing things for her "happiness". I have always wondered why the husband has to abandon things he enjoys just to satisfy his wife? I believe in sacrifice, but I also believe in fairness. His wife has to understand that tickling is who he is. The simple fact that he hasn't gone outside his marriage to tickle someone shows just how much he is dedicated to her.

For years, I have had friends who have to "give up" their love of certain things they enjoy JUST BECAUSE their wife doesn't like it. Things like going to sporting events once a week during the fall. Things like seeing your close friends every blue moon because it has been over several years that you actually hung out with them. JJ, why can't we look at Falcon's wife as just plain selfish? I do not get your viewpoint. If everything else in their lives is cool, why must he give up his love for something that was there well before he met her?

Falcon, I do wonder why your wife is so much against tickling. I think you know, you're just not telling us. We are only reading one side of the story, so do you even know why she has this "dislike" for tickling?

Primetime the big reason that some should have to give it up is because it involves doing something to another person. If the other person doesn't want it done to them, thier no trumps the other's desire. It is her body, she has the first and last say over what another person should be allowed to do to it. You can try to convince her to change, but in the end her no is what matters, it is her body. Marriage does not entitle you to do things to your spouse's body that they do not want done to it. In most things in a marriage there should be compromise, but allowing something to be done to your body that you do not want done is not one of them. She has the right to say no to something being done to her body.
 
Dnatkl, good point, however I never mentioned he should just "attack her and have his way with her". My whole point of view is coming from his wife saying "get rid of your clips". I mean damn, the man hasn't gone out to tickle others, and he hasn't forced any tickling on his wife. In other words, he is not doing any physical tickling. His ONLY outlet is this forum and clips. Why should he give them up? Because she says so? Because he's wasting money? But, I bet she doesn't mind spending several hundred dollars on a "Coach" purse.

If his wife doesn't like to get tickled fine. If Falcon doesn't want to go out and tickle others, fine. But, his wife is trying to eradicate something that is part of him. So, unless Falcon is not allowing her to do something that is a part of her, then his wife has to be fair and let the poor guy have some kind of outlet for his passion. She is very fortunate that he isn't actively seeking tickle partners outside his marriage. You know how many "dog" guys are out there that would cheat on their wife just because they aren't doing certain physical/sexual things? This guy is sticking around, trying to make it work and he has to give it all up just because she doesn't like it? That is not fair.

Look, none of us really know what is going on in their household. For all we know, Falcon may have cheated on her before (I'm not saying he has. Hypothetical situation people...), and she is leery with him being so active in a sexually charged activity. For all we know, his wife could just be plain domineering and difficult to work with. But based on what HE has told us, his wife is being unfair to him and he shouldn't have to give up his only releases just because she says so. Marriage is a partnership, not a one way street....
 
I don't know what else I have to do but tie myself to the bed and wait for her to come home one night. (Which did work once, but she tickled me for a whole 15 minutes and it was over).
MWM

You DID thank her for those wonderful 15 minutes, right?:idunno:

Validate the moments of synergy!
 
first let me say that primetime i respect you as probably the best descriptive writer that i have ever read.

let me deal with one specific aspect of our conversation.

Very interesting thread. Falcon, I feel for you. I hope somehow, someway, you and your wife can come to a "compromise".

Here's what I don't understand. Why should Falcon give up his love for tickling? Because his wife doesn't like it? From recent posts, it seems like Falcon already goes above and beyond treating his wife well and sacrificing things for her "happiness". I have always wondered why the husband has to abandon things he enjoys just to satisfy his wife? I believe in sacrifice, but I also believe in fairness. His wife has to understand that tickling is who he is. The simple fact that he hasn't gone outside his marriage to tickle someone shows just how much he is dedicated to her.

For years, I have had friends who have to "give up" their love of certain things they enjoy JUST BECAUSE their wife doesn't like it. Things like going to sporting events once a week during the fall. Things like seeing your close friends every blue moon because it has been over several years that you actually hung out with them. JJ, why can't we look at Falcon's wife as just plain selfish? I do not get your viewpoint. If everything else in their lives is cool, why must he give up his love for something that was there well before he met her?

Falcon, I do wonder why your wife is so much against tickling. I think you know, you're just not telling us. We are only reading one side of the story, so do you even know why she has this "dislike" for tickling?

everything else in their life is not cool. you have to understand that sexuality is not a compartment of someones life. it is part of an interconnected being and in this case two beings. you can't seperate fommunication conflict resolution and sex, you just can't. from the few posts that he has made i can already tell that there are communication issues at play hear, i don't think that he understands her emotions on the subject well enoguh, and after 15 years if you don't know the reasons behind your wifes perceptions of sexuality then that lets me know that we have a listening issue.

this problem is a symptom of a bigger problem.

very few if any that have posted in this thread have even cared in the least about what this woman must be feeling. everyone seems worried about identifying wiht the person who is most like thema nd are not really being objective. everyoine wants tpo paint her as being uptight or selfish and that is just not the case prime.

what do we know? we know that there are women into bdsm who enjoy having electrodes taped to their genitals who have tickling in any form as a hard limit. outside the walls of this community their are people who fear being tickled and think that it is the worst form of torture. expecting someone who doesn't share our passion to change overnight is unrealistic, and to expect them to conform to the level of enthusiasts in a clip is just plain kidding yourself.

the idea that anyoen should continue watching tickle porn while married is rediculous. it only futher programs your sexuality away from your spouse. as men in relaitonships it is our job to accept nurture and affirm our wives sexual identity because theirs devlops after ours and best with our guidance. leaving them in the lurch and growing ours independent of theirs circumvents the funamentals of marriage. when you get married you have to carve out a sexual relationship with your partner that is mutualy satisfying, goign outside that relationship to get your rocks off in another capacity builds a wall not bridges. the partner not involved will inherently build resentment to said activity as evidenced in the plight of this poor young man.

i said it once and i will say it again, this is all a part of lack of communication to determine marrigiablity. everyone is quick to rush this guy off to couples couseling so his wife will figure out she is being selfish but the first thing tehy are going to be told is how hard it is in general to deal with an inherent incompatability like this (and that's what it is, its not being selfish). its going to take time, sacrafice, and patience. getting your rocks off watching clips only retards the process and drives the couple further and further apart.

this is a shout to all the young people out there who are aware of their fetish. you have to tell your partner or future partner, especailly if this is a must have for you. it is best to marry people who have mutual interests, but at least someone who understands ENTHUSIASTICLY. i don't exactly have a fetish for riding crops on people but if i had a wife who liked that then i could enthusiasticly compromise. our fetish is very unique, especially from a ler prospective because you could be dealing with osmeone who literally has a psychological fear of tickling. this has to be a part of the courtship process, and preferably early before too lasting an emotional bond occurs that will cloud judgement.

there are certain parts of a relationship that have to be present for it to maturly manage the sexual aspect of male female interaction. that is why sex should really be reserved for married couples who have done the ground work. what happens otherwise when people skip it there is not enough of a connection emotionally to facilitate proper communication, selflessness, or comfort in experimentation. this is especially key with women who need a level of emotional appreciation just to enjoy sex. they have guarded their sexuality their entire lives (even though they may have been sexually active). there are women married for ten years who suddenly become orgasmic where they were not before because they finally build the trust to let go with their husbands, this is heady stff that can't be pushed, rushed, or brushed under the rug while we take care of ourselves.

and healtyh fetishes should be the A-1 not the steak. when they become so addictive that you cannot function in a normal sexual capacity then you need to look at yourself, not your wife who doesn't perform like the girl onthe computer. no one puts a gun to your head and forces you to marry anyone. you have to take the time to marry someone of like kind, or suck it up.

in building the foundations of a good relationship it has to be about more than us. it has to be about the collective couple and it will pay off down the road. when you hold bak and hold onto things that only serve you and not your partner that will be reaped back unto you. if you don't ive ffreely and do that which you may not like at the time (like letting go of pornography) then how can you expect a spouse to realisticly stretch their comfort zone?

no one asked the question of what relationship falcon has with his parents. which oe of his parents does his wife most resemble? what is his relationship like with that parent. what desires does he have to change THAT relationship and how is that playing out in the relationship to his wife.

what parent does he most resemble for his wife. what is that relationship like. how did they communicate.

how does falcons wife fundamentally percieve sex as a whole, not just tickling. then compare that with how falcon views sex. i will almost guarentee that they are almost from two different planets. these are compatability issues that have to be worked out, not selfishness issues.
 
i have a couple of questions,

Wow...this is exactly what is going on with me as well. I didn't completely fall into my desire of tickling until after I was married. I have always had a foot fetish and tickle fetish, but didn't live up to it and realize it fully until after I was married. I love my wife...but she hates being tickled. And it is SOOOO frustrating. But even more frustrating for me is that she won't even tickle me! I don't understand this one. I have (for seven years now) told her time and time again how much it means to me, and how important it is to me that she participate in this with me, yet she won't do it. She says, "ok...I understand, but then nothing ever happens." I even have flat out told her, "I think about your feet and being tickled every day - seriously, every day"...and still she doesn't get it. I don't know what else I have to do but tie myself to the bed and wait for her to come home one night. (Which did work once, but she tickled me for a whole 15 minutes and it was over).

Falcon, if you figure it out, and figure out the magic words to get it to happen, let me know. I'll be quite interested to find out what happens.

MWM

about how many times a week are you and your wife intimate with one another?

how frequently does your wife climax?

what are the five most key aspects to your wifes personal sexual fantasies?

how does your wife view sex?

how many times do you directly ask to be tickled during foreplay, not hints, actually ask?

what is your wifes favorite foreplay activity?

would you say that your wife is more dominant or submissive?

why does she hate being tickled, is it physical or psychological?

did you talk about this with her during your courtship process?

If you didn't trust her enough to tell her while you were dating, what did you think at the time would be the longterm outcome?

and i would like to thank falcon and MWM for their comments. i don't say this enough. i am oppinionated but only because i have had the luxury of the input of you guys. it has let me know that i am not laone and that i don not have to hide my personality from anyone. i ask these questions so that i can have a better understanding moving forward of how different people interact ona sexual level so that if i am ever in a similar situation with a spouse and a fetish other than ours that i will now how to handle it. thanks you everyone i look forward to your responses.
 
Dnatkl, good point, however I never mentioned he should just "attack her and have his way with her". My whole point of view is coming from his wife saying "get rid of your clips". I mean damn, the man hasn't gone out to tickle others, and he hasn't forced any tickling on his wife. In other words, he is not doing any physical tickling. His ONLY outlet is this forum and clips. Why should he give them up? Because she says so? Because he's wasting money? But, I bet she doesn't mind spending several hundred dollars on a "Coach" purse.

If his wife doesn't like to get tickled fine. If Falcon doesn't want to go out and tickle others, fine. But, his wife is trying to eradicate something that is part of him. So, unless Falcon is not allowing her to do something that is a part of her, then his wife has to be fair and let the poor guy have some kind of outlet for his passion. She is very fortunate that he isn't actively seeking tickle partners outside his marriage. You know how many "dog" guys are out there that would cheat on their wife just because they aren't doing certain physical/sexual things? This guy is sticking around, trying to make it work and he has to give it all up just because she doesn't like it? That is not fair.

Look, none of us really know what is going on in their household. For all we know, Falcon may have cheated on her before (I'm not saying he has. Hypothetical situation people...), and she is leery with him being so active in a sexually charged activity. For all we know, his wife could just be plain domineering and difficult to work with. But based on what HE has told us, his wife is being unfair to him and he shouldn't have to give up his only releases just because she says so. Marriage is a partnership, not a one way street....

prime, what do we know. we know that there are people into bdsm who like to have electrodes put on their genitals and be caned that have tickling as a hard limit. it is an intense situation that most people outside our circle can't take. this is not about let or selfish, this is about working throuhg an inherent incompatability together, and it has to be together. the more that he indulges outside the relationship and doesn't attack the issues then the bigger the void becomes.

this is symptomatic of more than just tickling. there is an honesty and disclosure probelm that goes all the way back to courting when he concealed how big a deal tickling was with him in order to seem morepleasing as a mate. i know that he wasn't poking her in the side every time that they made out, or tickling her feet everytime that they were alone when they were dating and then it stopped. i sitll think that they fundamentally see sex in different ways that aren't really supposed to go together. alongterm fix is going to take a lot of energy, gratification outside the relationship in all forms takes away from that energy and commitment, its not just about the money.
 
Bella put it perfectly in another thread, so I'm going to blatantly steal it:

Anyone I spend my life with has to support my needs even if they don't share them. It's not about tickling specifically, it's about your partner genuinely caring about your happiness. I couldn't spend the rest of ever with someone who didn't nourish the totality of who I am :lovestory

You can't blame a person for not liking tickling. You can encourage her, but it's no one's fault if it doesn't take. It's her willingness to reject completely something that's very important to you that doesn't sit well with me. A caring partnership means wanting the other person to be happy. And if letting you spend time online and buy $10 clips every now and then is too much for her, well..... something's not right. 🙁

Good luck. I second the suggestion of couple's therapy. Frame it as, "I'm not happy with this situation, and you're clearly not happy with it either, so let's try to fix it together."
 
As is often the case with long threads like this, I'll first add my usual disclaimer that I have not read all of it. I read the opening topic and a couple first-page responses. So, if I re-iterate anything already said, sorry. This is just my own honest opinion on this.

Ok, first off...you say your wife has known about your fetish for 15 years. You also say you've been married for 11 years. Over the course of those four years, did you not think that this would be important someday? I do understand the "newness" factor of a relationship and how a person is able to gloss over a lot of things...but after four years, these are things that should be a part of the process of weighing if you want to get married.

Also...and I hate to be so blunt about this, but I don't get the feeling that you're looking for an emotional massage here. Dude...your marriage has bigger problems than just your fetish. For someone to say "If you go to NEST, I'll leave you!" is a MAJOR problem. Not "If you beat me, or if you hurt the kids or if you gamble our money away..." or anything like that. But...if you go to NEST. People take VOWS to stay together. If one of those people needs something to be happy that has nothing to do with the other person, that other person should be doing what they can to accomodate.

Of course, this is coming from someone outside of the constraints of religious morals and all of that rot. If your wife isn't letting you indulge what she can't give you, and her angle is that you need to suck it up 'cuz God says so or something to that effect...you're basically screwed.

On the other hand, if that's not the case...you still have issues to deal with. It sounds to me like your wife is equating tickling with sex. Yeah, the two are linked...but that's not the link I'm talking about for the purpose of this conversation. Again, I know I'm a bit different from everyone else, but sexually-based needs are not the same as sexual fidelity. (And don't even get me going on that last part...it's not part of the topic, just used to illustrate a point.) If she thinks that you indulging in tickling is somehow "cheating", then she's putting way too heavy a chain around your neck, dude.

Ok, I've been sitting here staring at what I wrote and realized that I could go on for a long time on all the little branches of this topic. I'll just stick with what I originally said. Your marriage has far deeper issues than just going to NEST or indulging your fetish. It's about the person who vowed to love you and support you deciding what you WILL and WILL NOT do, with the threat of leaving hanging over your head. Now, I can only speak for me...but I would wind up going, and see if she really does leave. If she does, it pretty much shows exactly how slender the threads are that are holding you together. Again, I'm only saying I would do this. I do NOT want a "Dave2112 Ruined My Marriage!" thread popping up in about two months, m'kay?

You say you've tried talking to her. People have obviously given you 4 pages of opinions. Ball's in your court, champ. You need to decide how important each of these things will be in your life. It sounds like you are trying to reach a balance here. If you can't reach it, tough as it sounds, then this isn't really what I'd call a complete "marriage" in the sense of the word. It's not the activity, it's the threat. That's the bottom line here.
 
People take VOWS to stay together. If one of those people needs something to be happy that has nothing to do with the other person, that other person should be doing what they can to accomodate. .

have we really fallen this far? is the battle really lost? am i truly alone? WILL THE SUN NOT RISE?
 
be honest and be you

hello been there and done that if she knew this from day one or the begging that is good cause she knew what she was getting into. girl you knew i was into this from day one if this was going to be a problem you should have et me know. i never expect you to be someone you are not so never expect me to be someone i'm not. i'm going to do and be the person i'm i have never gone behind your back i have always been up front if you don't like it sorry. i was with a girl who would have never let be be on here being who i'm or let me go to a party or anything like that. once in a while she would tickle me with a $#!% attitude you want tickled sicko and would just do it not into it just trying to do it for me but it sucked cause i know she that it was sick. just a little of my experience i had i left her for other reasons but if you can't be who you are it is not a good thing
 
right

iv read through all of this andf thought id give my two cents

firstly about the whole tickling clips thing
from what im getting at she only likes money to be spent on her
seeing as you sed u spend like toooo much on a purse etc

i can see her point about the whole not tickling other women things as i would be the same
but everyone has needs

and if your not willing to stop with the whole tickling thing its just gonna get worse
cus shes gonna get fed up of hearng about it
your gonna get fed up of asking

and what happens

you end up meeting someone who will furfill this need

and well... you know the rest

:ermm:
 
Wow. I haven't replied to any of the things said here in a while,as I have been busy with training issues and such. Dave, you do make good points. I did speak with her about this over lunch a few weeks ago (probably one of the replies you didn't read, but that's ok) and she said that she wouldn't leave me if I went. She'd just be really pissed off. Like any problem that I face with other people, I offered possible solutions. I don't ever just say, here's the problem, fix it. I offer solutions. One of the solutions I offered was for her to come with me as observers only. She nixed that immediately. Not interested at all, I believe were her words. I then offered this solution: We both go to Philly for a few days. She goes to visit with her mom and I go to the hotel where NEST is being held. I attend the event and we meet back at the airport when we go home. Nobody even has to know I'm even in the state. The other option I offered was the same, except that we'd fly separately there and separately back. She hasn't gone for either of the solutions I have provided and she's not offering any. Well, so much for that.

Really though, I'm not trying to force her to like tickling but I just want her to give me some kind of outlet. I wouldn't even care about not tickling anyone at NEST. I just want to go for the sake of going. A lot of the people I have spoken with here have really become my friends, in the sense that we can identify with each other through common interests. I think this is hard for her to accept and understand because she has no friends. I mean literally, the woman has NO friends that she hangs with when she's off. She doesn't go out, she has no social life other than with me and that;s fine but it also hinders us because she doesn'y understand.

Yes, she does view the correlation of tickling with sex and she has stated on several occasions that she's scared because she knows what tickling does to me (huge sexual turn on) and that while she knows I can control myself, she's scared that some girl will get just as turned on as me and we'll end up in bed. I don't know how many different ways I can tell her that that's not going to ever happen and that she could prevent that greatly if she came with me. I thought it might give her some peace of mind, but I guess not. She did agree to look at the NEST info so she could read all about it and about the big time emphasis on safety but she has yet to do so and hasn't asked me about it. I'm afraid to ask if she remembers even having the conversation because I don't want to get into a fight over it, you know?

And not to worry, there's no religious aspects here. She doesn't rub anything in my face like that at all. I think that maybe what I may do, in 2010 (only because we're planning a big vacation next year) is tell her that I want to go to NEST for my birthday (which is actually in Januray), since my birthday this year was a fucking disaster. That's an entirely different story all together. And I'll just have to see what she says. That's all I want for my birthday that year. And see, the thing is that like if she says no, I'd probably go anyway but I'd feel like shit the entire time I was there because I'd feel guilty for hurting her. But then what about what she's doing to me? I wouldn't feel so bad if she were at least in Philly with me, even if she wasn't physically with me, you know?

Well, I don't know. I guess I'll figure it out eventually. Not something I'm prepared to get a fucking divorce over. And with that, I thank you all very much for sending the replies that you have sent. That has taken a lot of time on your parts and I do appreciate the input. This will be my final post on the subject. Thanks again!

Falcon
 
Tough situation that a lot of people are probably in

But in reality what if you did go to NEST? What if you got to strap down someone and tickle them silly. How would you deal with day after day of not being able to do that with your wife? Would you become like the college professor in a recent article who had an entire bdsm sex life outside of his marriage for years only instead of bdsm you have it for tickling? Would you leave your wife to find a fetish partner? Will you just feel dead inside until NEST every year? I have a similar problem, but I have always felt that if I look outside the marriage to satisfy my desires, the marriage will end. It may end anyway...but that's another story.

It's tough and I don't know what to do in this situation either. My wife is a great person and no one will ever love me like she does. But then there is a huge emptiness there. She let me tie her up and tickle her, but a) she is mostly not ticklish and b) she really isn't into it (she is one of those dominant in everything types). So I can't force her to do that. It looks like your wife is also not into it. Even if she lets you tie her up, there's a good chance she wouldn't enjoy it. Which for me kills the fun.

As far as four years go I don't know. I think the only way to know you need these things is to try vanilla sex. If you wait until marriage, or almost marriage, then by the time you realize you need tickling/bdsm/other things in your life you are already married. I knew I was interested in "alternative forms of pleasure" since I was 10, but I didn't know that normal sex wouldn't be enough until mid 27 and ooops I was already married. And even now, I'm not 100% sure if I would be satisfied or not because I never had the opportunity to try them. It's a tough situation.

If your wife actually lets you go to NEST and it saves your marriage I would be interested to know, as I'm sure a lot of other lurkers in similar situations would be interested to know as well. Then there can be a NEST saved my marriage thread :upsidedow
 
But in reality what if you did go to NEST? What if you got to strap down someone and tickle them silly. How would you deal with day after day of not being able to do that with your wife? Would you become like the college professor in a recent article who had an entire bdsm sex life outside of his marriage for years only instead of bdsm you have it for tickling? Would you leave your wife to find a fetish partner? Will you just feel dead inside until NEST every year? I have a similar problem, but I have always felt that if I look outside the marriage to satisfy my desires, the marriage will end. It may end anyway...but that's another story.

It's tough and I don't know what to do in this situation either. My wife is a great person and no one will ever love me like she does. But then there is a huge emptiness there. She let me tie her up and tickle her, but a) she is mostly not ticklish and b) she really isn't into it (she is one of those dominant in everything types). So I can't force her to do that. It looks like your wife is also not into it. Even if she lets you tie her up, there's a good chance she wouldn't enjoy it. Which for me kills the fun.

As far as four years go I don't know. I think the only way to know you need these things is to try vanilla sex. If you wait until marriage, or almost marriage, then by the time you realize you need tickling/bdsm/other things in your life you are already married. I knew I was interested in "alternative forms of pleasure" since I was 10, but I didn't know that normal sex wouldn't be enough until mid 27 and ooops I was already married. And even now, I'm not 100% sure if I would be satisfied or not because I never had the opportunity to try them. It's a tough situation.

If your wife actually lets you go to NEST and it saves your marriage I would be interested to know, as I'm sure a lot of other lurkers in similar situations would be interested to know as well. Then there can be a NEST saved my marriage thread :upsidedow


But in reality what if you did go to NEST? At this point I don't know what would happen.

What if you got to strap down someone and tickle them silly. I actually don't want to tickle anyone, I just want to go to say I've been and meet people and watch.

How would you deal with day after day of not being able to do that with your wife? I deal with that on a daily basis.

Would you become like the college professor in a recent article who had an entire bdsm sex life outside of his marriage for years only instead of bdsm you have it for tickling? If that were the case for me I would have been doing that for years now.

Would you leave your wife to find a fetish partner? Absolutely not, my friend.

Will you just feel dead inside until NEST every year? I guess so. I've been doing that.
 
I saw this in another thread and actually quoted in this one
Anyone I spend my life with has to support my needs even if they don't share them. It's not about tickling specifically, it's about your partner genuinely caring about your happiness. I couldn't spend the rest of ever with someone who didn't nourish the totality of who I am
It's these kinds of attitudes that cause major problems in marriage. "MY needs! MY wants! MY happiness. ME ME MEEEE!!!" This is not the way marriage works between two sane people.

In cases such as Falcon's, the tickling and the clips make him happy. Those same things unfortunately make her unhappy. Either of them could stand on a soap box, point a finger at the other and whine "You're not nourishing the totality of who I aaam!"

To make a marriage work, concessions must be made on both sides, if it's to be an equal partnership. In Falcon's case, it looks like he's the one making all the concessions with demands for more coming in.

To Falcon, I would say that every man comes to a point in which he must put his foot down and say, "I'm going to do this. Threaten me all you like, but I'm still going to do it. Moreover, I will continue to do this from time to time, so you can either call the lawyers and start the papers, or just get used to it."
 
I saw this in another thread and actually quoted in this one

It's these kinds of attitudes that cause major problems in marriage. "MY needs! MY wants! MY happiness. ME ME MEEEE!!!" This is not the way marriage works between two sane people.

In cases such as Falcon's, the tickling and the clips make him happy. Those same things unfortunately make her unhappy. Either of them could stand on a soap box, point a finger at the other and whine "You're not nourishing the totality of who I aaam!"

To make a marriage work, concessions must be made on both sides, if it's to be an equal partnership. In Falcon's case, it looks like he's the one making all the concessions with demands for more coming in.

To Falcon, I would say that every man comes to a point in which he must put his foot down and say, "I'm going to do this. Threaten me all you like, but I'm still going to do it. Moreover, I will continue to do this from time to time, so you can either call the lawyers and start the papers, or just get used to it."

in this case, i agree with you 100%.

ideally, to make a marriage work you want two people that are MARRIAGIABLE. we don't have time machines drew so in this case you are 100% right, to make up for this terminal system error someone is going to have to sacrafice big time.

heaven forbid we ever become comfortable enough as a society to look for people who actually like the things that we like and stop insisting on trying to change people.
 
I saw this in another thread and actually quoted in this one

It's these kinds of attitudes that cause major problems in marriage. "MY needs! MY wants! MY happiness. ME ME MEEEE!!!" This is not the way marriage works between two sane people.

In cases such as Falcon's, the tickling and the clips make him happy. Those same things unfortunately make her unhappy. Either of them could stand on a soap box, point a finger at the other and whine "You're not nourishing the totality of who I aaam!"

To make a marriage work, concessions must be made on both sides, if it's to be an equal partnership. In Falcon's case, it looks like he's the one making all the concessions with demands for more coming in.

To Falcon, I would say that every man comes to a point in which he must put his foot down and say, "I'm going to do this. Threaten me all you like, but I'm still going to do it. Moreover, I will continue to do this from time to time, so you can either call the lawyers and start the papers, or just get used to it."



Drew, this is another classic example of you finding a piece of a passage from a thread that has nothing to do with the one you're posting in and seeing how far out of context you can take things. I know where Bella originally posted this, and you do as well. Of course, B had nothing to do with this thread much to begin with, but that's niether here nor there, is it?

As any of us with an pounce of perspective already know, it's not a "Me, Me, Me!" attitude. It's about knowing what it takes to make you happy, and finding a person to share that with. There are certain things that are an ingrained part of your personality/psyche that have to be "matched up" with, or things are probably not going to work. Yes, concessions could be made on many things, and even in alternative-type relationships/marriages, they are...on a daily basis. But, that's what makes these relationships so strong in the first place.

Rather than ranting about what's wrong with another person's relationship or marriage, especially one you know nothing about...perhaps you should just worry about your own. If you're happy hiding everything (ie: "making concessions" ) and trying so very desperately to fill that one little psuedo-kink you have with whatever it takes to fill it...all the while knocking everyone else down for trying to live fully in a way you cannot...then so be it. But, why not get off the pulpit? No one else's relationship is all that terribly reliant upon the opinions of those who can't come clean in their own, or within their own lives...even to themselves.

Live, let live...move on, be happy. It works, at least for well-adjusted people.
 
Just give me 5 minutes alone with her...<<<<----
Then she'll be helplessly yours.









You know, I was thinking, should I say that? Should I say that? Would it be in bad taste? But then I thought, naaah, this guy'll be alright. So, I went for it. I went for it and I'm glad I did, because hey, if you didn't get a laugh out it, I certainly did. 😎
 
Xionking, while i respect your enthusiasm, nobody gets MY girl! 😉
 
Drew, this is another classic example of you finding a piece of a passage from a thread that has nothing to do with the one you're posting in and seeing how far out of context you can take things. I know where Bella originally posted this, and you do as well. Of course, B had nothing to do with this thread much to begin with, but that's niether here nor there, is it?
I don't believe I'm taking it out of context, nor was I the first person to quote that passage in this thread. Somebody else quoted it before I did so it's relationship to this thread was already proposed before I came along and added my own harmless and easily ignored perspective. I disagreed strongly with the rationale behind those comments and stated why. Is your objection over my doing so based on a breach of TMF protocol? Or do you simply object because you like the person and don't appreciate people disagreeing with her?

Dave2112 said:
As any of us with an pounce of perspective already know, it's not a "Me, Me, Me!" attitude. It's about knowing what it takes to make you happy, and finding a person to share that with. There are certain things that are an ingrained part of your personality/psyche that have to be "matched up" with, or things are probably not going to work. Yes, concessions could be made on many things, and even in alternative-type relationships/marriages, they are...on a daily basis. But, that's what makes these relationships so strong in the first place.
I disagree. You say it's about "knowing what it takes to make one happy." Suppose you love somebody, but that person can't wrap their brain around one of the things that makes you happy (tickling, for example). By rejecting that person on this basis, you are putting your own happiness above theirs. You are basically thowing down an ultimatum, "These are the things that make ME happy. Reject any of them, and it's buh-bye, because if you 'really loved ME' you'd want ME to be 'happy.' So yes, I'd say that qualifies as "Me, Me, Me." The sad thing is that there are people out there desperate enough to actually willing to participate in a relationship in which the concessions in the name of happiness mostly flow in one direction.

Rather than ranting about what's wrong with another person's relationship or marriage, especially one you know nothing about...perhaps you should just worry about your own.
I see you take offense to people giving opinions as to what's wrong with other people and their relationships. Let's count the number of instances that you do it in this one paragraph.

Dave2112 said:
If you're happy hiding everything (ie: "making concessions" )
Let's see, that would be one.

Dave2112 said:
and trying so very desperately to fill that one little psuedo-kink you have with whatever it takes to fill it
Two.

Dave2112 said:
...all the while knocking everyone else down for trying to live fully in a way you cannot...then so be it.
Three...and that's just in one sentence.

Dave2112 said:
But, why not get off the pulpit? No one else's relationship is all that terribly reliant upon the opinions of those who can't come clean in their own,
Four

Dave2112 said:
or within their own lives...even to themselves.
Five and six. (I hope you don't mind me doubling up there.)

Dave2112 said:
Live, let live...move on, be happy. It works, at least for well-adjusted people.
Dave, Falcon was describing his marriage situation and ASKED for advice. So let's stop pretending that I'm the only one giving it too him, what do you say? You criticize me for speaking to a relationship I don't know anything about, yet it's okay for you to make wildly erroneous assumptions about mine? How can you possibly rationalize that?
 
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Dnatkl, good point, however I never mentioned he should just "attack her and have his way with her". My whole point of view is coming from his wife saying "get rid of your clips". I mean damn, the man hasn't gone out to tickle others, and he hasn't forced any tickling on his wife. In other words, he is not doing any physical tickling. His ONLY outlet is this forum and clips. Why should he give them up? Because she says so? Because he's wasting money? But, I bet she doesn't mind spending several hundred dollars on a "Coach" purse.

I wouldn't get rid of my clips either. I wouldn't get rid of any of my adult content vids just becuase somebody else told me to. Hounestly I would probably be more likely to keep them if someone was trying to play high and mighty with me. Of course if a woman wanted me to drop a couple-o-hundred bucks on a purse then I would tell her "You've got the vote, go get a job, and buy it yourself." Then again that might be part of why I am living the stag life.
 
I wouldn't get rid of my clips either. I wouldn't get rid of any of my adult content vids just becuase somebody else told me to. Hounestly I would probably be more likely to keep them if someone was trying to play high and mighty with me. Of course if a woman wanted me to drop a couple-o-hundred bucks on a purse then I would tell her "You've got the vote, go get a job, and buy it yourself." Then again that might be part of why I am living the stag life.

the worst thing about psychology class is that few things suprise you anymore. wow. i could write a thesis on this one paragraph.
 
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