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Open letter to the TMF: Addressing online harassment

lawl. Nice edit.

and just because they may not want to get to know you on too much of a personal level, does not at at all warrant labels like 'creeps'.

Ironically, they want to get to know folks on way too much of a personal level. That's when it gets creepy. Like getting a PM from someone asking them if they can cum all over their feet.

Not too sure how much more personal then that you can get.


Fuck, we're meant to be a fucking community. How do you think it looks to non-regulars seeing the most regular people on this forum referring to other people as 'creeps'? That's gonna go down well...

Uh-huh. And all the "regular-regulars" get along all the time too, yea? No. 🙂 You said it yourself; it's a community, and shit isn't always glitter and ponies and myspace.com.

Face facts: There are people everywhere that are creeps. Why try and candy coat the truth?



...because at the end of the day, I'm sure you're better off than the person who's getting no attention at all.

Seriously, xion, let's try not to make this another forum politics thing, mkay? You're plenty seen, doll. :headpat:
 
I harass myself every day

One day i may block myself

I cant help it if i am the quintessential studmuffin
 
I ask myself that question all the time. Why do they do that when it clearly never works? Complete and utter ignorance is the only thing I can come up with. They fail, fail and fail again, but never change their approach. Some people just never learn.

Actually, they don't ALWAYS fail. That's why they keep doing it. Some of the females on this site actually respond to that type of talk (OMG UR SO HAWT!!1111 CN I PLZ TKL U???!!1111) favorably. I'm not kidding. So, unfortunately it's females like that who fuel the fire for the socially inept males on the forum. Actually, it's not only relegated to males.........I'm sure some of the females come off like that too.

It would be really funny if the females responding to the socially inept males were actually MALES disguising themselves as females.........

--T
 
Ironically, they want to get to know folks on way too much of a personal level. That's when it gets creepy. Like getting a PM from someone asking them if they can cum all over their feet.

Not too sure how much more personal then that you can get.

How about asking to do them in the butt? I think thats more personal. :rockon:
 
Yeah, but in saying that...why am I going to show a girl respect when she's flaunting about in a skirt longer than my belt? Is it sad that the guy isn't showing the girl the respect she 'deserves', or is it sad that the girl isn't showing herself the respect she 'deserves'?

Same deal here...just not on such an exposed level...post the photos and the personal info, even the myspace account...it may look to other people like you're putting yourself out there (even though that may not be your intention), and before you know it...you don't have creeps...you have guys and girls wanting to satisfy their needs, wanting to meet other people, and wanting to explore their fetish without having to pass in the 'General Discussion' sub-forum first.

It's quite frustrating seeing such a regular like Annie complain about people pming her "creepy" shit. Well, that's what happens when you become a main contributor on a forum that is fundamentally about the tickling fetish. What were you expecting? A Shakespeare sonnet? A piece of writing about how your beautiful your hair shines under this virtual internet sun?

Please, cut your hair and quit bitchin' you friggn' emos. There's a block button for a reason, and give the people you believe here to be "creeps" the benefit of the doubt, yeh? And if you have/had a boyfriend that you may be concerned might find out about the TMF, it's probably best you don't post your myspace page up on here. You don't know them, and they don't know you, and just because they may not want to get to know you on too much of a personal level, does not at at all warrant labels like 'creeps'.

Fuck, we're meant to be a fucking community. How do you think it looks to non-regulars seeing the most regular people on this forum referring to other people as 'creeps'? That's gonna go down well...

It's not about the underages coming on here and putting all their info up, because the older here do the same thing. And if you're gonna pick on the underages, then at least acknowledge that you're a bit of a hypocrite.

'Oh my god, you're so hot, can I tickle you?" Well, shit...take it as a compliment, and don't read into it too deeply...

...because at the end of the day, I'm sure you're better off than the person who's getting no attention at all.

-Xionking

Uh.....I just really don't know how to respond to this. But I'll try to do my best.

I've been a member over five years; I've had some of the most creepy and disrespectful communications in my life on this forum. I shut my IM box down for two years because a TMF member stalked me to my yahoo. I felt violated and in much need to dip myself in bleach after the "communications" from this clown. He's still a member here too--super uber creepy!

Did I consider leaving the forum over these PMs and IMs? Sure I did-hell it was like getting violated on the internet! But my curiosity over getting to know the tickling community and what it had to offer superceeded all else and I'm glad I stayed. It doesn't mean it's okay to cyberstalk and just be plain nasty to the women on the forum.

Ladies, if you are being harrassed, please report it to the mods. Trust me they will take care of business. I wish we could put out a list of these fine upstanding citizens *sarcasm alert* so they could be exposed for the scum they are. But some of them are just overwhelmed and way over exuberent and although that creates issues, it's not a reason to ban them from the forum.

But if you're foul and nasty and have no intention to change your behavior, then don't let the door hit you on the way out............
 
Oh xion - we meet again 😛

Yeah, but in saying that...why am I going to show a girl respect when she's flaunting about in a skirt longer than my belt? Is it sad that the guy isn't showing the girl the respect she 'deserves', or is it sad that the girl isn't showing herself the respect she 'deserves'?

I have to respectfully disagree that just because a person puts up their contact information, that it's equivalent to showing a little too much booty at a bar. I have my myspace, AIM, and Yahoo IM contact info on my profile for whoever wants to make use of them. It's not because I'm trying to grab extra attention or flash anything around, and it's certainly not because I'm disrespecting myself. I do it because I sincerely LOVE meeting new people, and I'm way too shy to PM people for the first time on my own. Having my contact information there is my way of trying to be inviting to make new friends. I understand that not all of the people who utilize that information are going to be people I jive with, and that's okay. I'm willing to weed out the people who rub me the wrong way if it means somewhere down the line I'll meet a good friend or two.

Same deal here...just not on such an exposed level...post the photos and the personal info, even the myspace account...it may look to other people like you're putting yourself out there (even though that may not be your intention), and before you know it...you don't have creeps...you have guys and girls wanting to satisfy their needs, wanting to meet other people, and wanting to explore their fetish without having to pass in the 'General Discussion' sub-forum first.

I don't think anyone is complaining about folks wanting to meet new people and/or explore their fetish. We all do have at least one thing in common here, and that is our love of tickling in some way, shape or form. I think what people take issue with is either folks repeatedly/obsessively PMing or IMing after it's been made clear that it's unwelcome, or people starting off conversations with "Are your feet your most ticklish spot?" You would never approach someone like that in real life. Even at a gathering or munch where you know everyone is into tickling, you would never approach somebody like that. It's just a plain lack of manners. I don't like feeling like I'm taking a survey when I first meet someone. "Most ticklish spot?" "Longest you've been tickled?" "Lee or ler?" "Size of feet?" "Size of breasts?" Come on, it's all a little ridiculous.

It's quite frustrating seeing such a regular like Annie complain about people pming her "creepy" shit. Well, that's what happens when you become a main contributor on a forum that is fundamentally about the tickling fetish. What were you expecting? A Shakespeare sonnet? A piece of writing about how your beautiful your hair shines under this virtual internet sun?

I think that Annie made it quite clear that she made a mistake by posting her personal info on the site. She said flat out...


I'm not saying that it's the "victim's" fault, though it shouldn't be surprising when one is so open with personal info.

having some common sense when using the internet (let alone ADULT websites) will keep a lot of the harassment from happening.

This says to me that she's aware that her actions contributed to the bad experience she had, and she learned not to do it again, and she's sharing that experience with the rest of us just to say, "heads up."

Please, cut your hair and quit bitchin' you friggn' emos.

I understand you're point, but I think this wasn't a particularly effective way of putting it. You're just gonna stir people up talking like that.

There's a block button for a reason, and give the people you believe here to be "creeps" the benefit of the doubt, yeh?

I can't speak for everyone, because I don't know how everyone handles these PM's, IM's or whatever. Personally, I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt (depending on the kind of day I'm having...I'll be the 1st to admit that if you catch me in a mood, I'll just block you without saying two words). I just recently got an IM from a seemingly nice guy who asked obsessively about my feet. I was annoyed, but told the guy straight out, look, you seem really nice, but I have to tell you that this is getting annoying. I don't want to feel like I'm being surveyed. Approach me like you would out in the real world. He did for about 5 minutes, and it was fun, but then he fell right back into it. I'm not going to waste anymore time on somebody who just doesn't get it. I gave him a chance, explained my issues, he didn't change his behavior. That tells me he's not THAT interested in getting to know me.


just because they may not want to get to know you on too much of a personal level, does not at at all warrant labels like 'creeps'.

I don't think everyone who doesn't want to get know people on a personal level are creeps. I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it a thousand more: there are people who enjoy that kind of interaction. They like the "i'm scribbling my fingers across your soles" "oh hehehe that tickles! I'm scrunching my toes!" and there's nothing wrong with that. More power to them when they find eachother and can have some fun. The people who I consider creepers are the people who IM me asking about where Euphoricy and Crystal and Tortuga are ticklish. The people who, when I say, "no thanks I'm not in the mood to talk about tickling," continue to IM me demanding to know why I stopped talking to them, why I blocked them, what's my fuckin problme? Why am I such a bitch? Those people are creeps - and I'll stand by calling them creeps.

Fuck, we're meant to be a fucking community. How do you think it looks to non-regulars seeing the most regular people on this forum referring to other people as 'creeps'? That's gonna go down well...

Like I said before, some of them are creeps, and they'll be creeps until they change their behavior and the ways they choose to interact with people. The guy I mentioned specifically - not a creep. Nice guy - just doesn't seem to get the kind of chat I'm into, so I choose not to really talk to him. Everybody has something different they want to get out of this community. For some people it's the porn, for some the stories, clips, art, discussion completely unrelated to tickling, tips and tricks on bondage or foot care, cyber-tickling, utilizing the chatroom...and for some...like me...the goal is to make friends on a level that will go past the internet. My goal isn't any better or worse, or more important or less important than anybody else's. But if I meet somebody whose goal or whose actions don't jive with my goal or my actions, I'm likely going to choose not to get to know that person on more than a casual level, because what they want and what I want are very different. Why waste either of our time?? He could be out finding a girl who loves to cyber -- I could be out meeting somebody who'll turn into my best friend in the entire world. Why waste time on eacother if we're not what eachother is looking for?

'
Oh my god, you're so hot, can I tickle you?" Well, shit...take it as a compliment, and don't read into it too deeply...

Sure, it's a compliment. Very flattering. But when you say "no thanks" and they get all pissy like you owe it to them - that's when it goes past just taking a compliment, and becomes annoying and potentially creepy.


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If you really want to get anywhere with a woman eloquence and manners are the only way to get there

I couldn't have said it better.
 
For some reason and it is just a testimonial:

The people in my PM box are very discreet and well-mannered. Others PM me for very strict business and objective purpose, or simply to give great greetings. It just surprised me to hear bad stories, while I have more than prepared ever since I started getting active in this forum, it's like a coincidence that the people who PM me are decent. No kidding, they are too good to be true, as if this is not an adult site. I have always enjoyed receiving PM.
 
Actually, they don't ALWAYS fail. That's why they keep doing it. Some of the females on this site actually respond to that type of talk (OMG UR SO HAWT!!1111 CN I PLZ TKL U???!!1111) favorably. I'm not kidding. So, unfortunately it's females like that who fuel the fire for the socially inept males on the forum. Actually, it's not only relegated to males.........I'm sure some of the females come off like that too.

It would be really funny if the females responding to the socially inept males were actually MALES disguising themselves as females.........

--T

That would, in fact, be hysterical and I don't doubt that it has happened before. And I agree with you that there are some women who actually do respond to the crudeness. Not everyone can resist the lure of chatting, even if who they are chatting with isn't exactly on the up and up.

Since we're on here exchanging stories, I can actually share one from my own personal experience. There was a person, claiming to be a young lady, that once approached me in an off forum chat. She was new to the TMF. Long story short, a bit into our conversation, she began asking me for shirtless pictures of myself. I politely declined. I'm fairly sure that this person was actually a known member of the TMF with a fake account, but I have little proof to back it up. Pretty strange all the way around and perhaps a little sad as well.

Uh.....I just really don't know how to respond to this. But I'll try to do my best.

I've been a member over five years; I've had some of the most creepy and disrespectful communications in my life on this forum. I shut my IM box down for two years because a TMF member stalked me to my yahoo. I felt violated and in much need to dip myself in bleach after the "communications" from this clown. He's still a member here too--super uber creepy!

Did I consider leaving the forum over these PMs and IMs? Sure I did-hell it was like getting violated on the internet! But my curiosity over getting to know the tickling community and what it had to offer superceeded all else and I'm glad I stayed. It doesn't mean it's okay to cyberstalk and just be plain nasty to the women on the forum.

Ladies, if you are being harrassed, please report it to the mods. Trust me they will take care of business. I wish we could put out a list of these fine upstanding citizens *sarcasm alert* so they could be exposed for the scum they are. But some of them are just overwhelmed and way over exuberent and although that creates issues, it's not a reason to ban them from the forum.

But if you're foul and nasty and have no intention to change your behavior, then don't let the door hit you on the way out............

Wow, Kis. See, this is the type of thing, when taken to the extreme, that I am referring to. To see a member harassed to this point is beyond unacceptable. I can only hope that whoever this member is, he is not currently nor will he ever do anything like this to anyone else. For the record, I'm glad you didn't leave.

For some reason and it is just a testimonial:

The people in my PM box are very discreet and well-mannered. Others PM me for very strict business and objective purpose, or simply to give great greetings. It just surprised me to hear bad stories, while I have more than prepared ever since I started getting active in this forum, it's like a coincidence that the people who PM me are decent. No kidding, they are too good to be true, as if this is not an adult site. I have always enjoyed receiving PM.

In truth, probably because there is nary a photo of you to be found that I'm aware of. Not to say it's that simple, but it is very common for the women who have posted pictures of themselves on this site to get a great deal of unwanted attention, obviously. But hey, I'm quite glad that you haven't been harassed. May it stay that way for all eternity.
 
Uh.....I just really don't know how to respond to this. But I'll try to do my best.

I've been a member over five years; I've had some of the most creepy and disrespectful communications in my life on this forum. I shut my IM box down for two years because a TMF member stalked me to my yahoo. I felt violated and in much need to dip myself in bleach after the "communications" from this clown. He's still a member here too--super uber creepy!


Did I consider leaving the forum over these PMs and IMs? Sure I did-hell it was like getting violated on the internet! But my curiosity over getting to know the tickling community and what it had to offer superceeded all else and I'm glad I stayed. It doesn't mean it's okay to cyberstalk and just be plain nasty to the women on the forum.

Ladies, if you are being harrassed, please report it to the mods. Trust me they will take care of business. I wish we could put out a list of these fine upstanding citizens *sarcasm alert* so they could be exposed for the scum they are. But some of them are just overwhelmed and way over exuberent and although that creates issues, it's not a reason to ban them from the forum.

But if you're foul and nasty and have no intention to change your behavior, then don't let the door hit you on the way out............

Oh come now, i was not that creepy. That gasoline etching of your name in the lawn was out of love 😱
 
What I don't get is why more women don't take offence to the constant white knighting they are subjected to by various male members of the forum. Honestly, if I was treated to a constant barrage of people undermining my adulthood, insulting my intelligence and patronising me by crusading publicly on my behalf about an issue I'm perfectly capable of dealing with myself I'd be spitting blood. I find it tends to be the insipid, unassertive male members, the ones who respond to every comment made by any female member of the forum who is a) under the age of 25 and/or b) looks tasty with vacuous platitudes and pleasantries, insincerity dripping from their every word like butter off hot toast, who are the worst offenders. Just because you're unable to summon the chutzpah to tell a female you find her attractive or put the feelers out doesn't necessarily mean that every bloke who can is a sex-obsessed scumbag. Don't worry though, once the cartiledge constituting your spine begins to harden you'll likely work that out for yourself 😉

There's a difference between harrassing someone and putting the feelers out. It's not even subtle, it's blatantly obvious; if a man sends you a message saying something along the lines of I've seen you around the forum, seen some pictures of you, you're cute, you have pretty feet, would love to tickle you, message me back if you're up for it, yadd yadd yadda, making themselves known to a woman and declaring an interest, that's not harrassment. It's not harrassment to walk up to a girl in a nightclub and try some shitty chat-up lines on her, is it? Do any women here feel that's harrassing behaviour? Obviously you wouldn't blurt out anything suggestive as your opening gambit in a live conversation, but the dynamic is a bit different on the internets. You don't have the luxury of being able to play off body language or facial expressions or tone to see if she's at all interested past the pleasantries, you just say what you're going to say and move on. If the message is unneccesarily lurid or explicit then it's creepy and the appropriate course of action is either to delete said message and ignore said member, or if you're feeling REALLY frisky message the member back and make your disapproval known. Perhaps let them know where they stand with you, whether you're likely to be interested or not, whether you'd rather they toned down the approach a bit, that sort of thing. Same as you'd do in real life. Assuming you're not socially deficient.
It becomes harrassment when you start being bombarded with unwanted attention in whatever form; be it public harrassment on the forums, bombardment with private messages, or other more sinister things like IM stalking or whatever. That's harrassment and that needs to be looked at far more seriously, because even if the harrasser isn't necessarily dangerous it's still not something anyone should have to put up with. All that said, a single message from a single member is not harrassment, no matter how lurid and disgusting the message is.

The consensus I get from the female members I've spoken top about this "harrassment" issue is that it's one of those things that happens; an unfortunate artefact of being female is that you attract male attention whether you solicit it or not, especially in situations where sex and sexuality are thick in the air (such as, oh I dunno... a sexual fetish forum, perhaps?) and although it can be annoying at first it does tend to settle after a while. There are also steps all the introverted women can take to curtail the amount of shite you receive from people, such as not plastering pictures of yourself everywhere and maybe even downplaying the fact you're female (easily done, tis the internets after all!) rather than putting it out there if you know men are going to see it and send you messages. It's highly unfair, but if you really do feel you're receiving inordinate amounts of attention from creeps then it might be a spade-full of shit you just have to swallow.

And while you're at it could you have a word with all the "nice guys" on your friends list and tell them to stop patronising you and bothering me with their silly crusades. It's annoying to most everyone else and, moreover, it's just plain condescending; having them sit there and waffle their crud then make out they're doing it on your behalf (when everyone knows they're not 😉 ) degrades you as an adult and is, frankly, demeaning and offensive. Why none of the more rounded female members haven't called these saps on their bullshit by now is beyond me.
 
What I don't get is why more women don't take offence to the constant white knighting they are subjected to by various male members of the forum. Honestly, if I was treated to a constant barrage of people undermining my adulthood, insulting my intelligence and patronising me by crusading publicly on my behalf about an issue I'm perfectly capable of dealing with myself I'd be spitting blood.

Indeed - that escapes me as well.
 
In a perfect world, I should be able to walk through Englewood alone in the middle of the night without protection unscathed and unafraid.

Unfortunately, common sense tells me if I'm going to be anywhere alone and after dark, I should stick to my side of town, busy streets, and probably carry mace just in case.

No matter what you're doing, you have to protect yourself.

Englewood?

I used to live by a place called Englewood, do you live in Texas?

or maybe there are many places called that..
 
Obviously you wouldn't blurt out anything suggestive as your opening gambit in a live conversation, but the dynamic is a bit different on the internets.

^ Looking at this forum as a checkered plane...makes sense. Of course, no creep would want a stalemate, but they are yanked into a limbo without being aware of it. But at least it can make the main character log off with a smile on the face... 😀 :headbang:
 
^ Looking at this forum as a checkered plane...makes sense. Of course, no creep would want a stalemate, but they are yanked into a limbo without being aware of it. But at least it can make the main character log off with a smile on the face... 😀 :headbang:

Touche 😀

SO WER R U TKLSH LOL
 
Englewood?

I used to live by a place called Englewood, do you live in Texas?

or maybe there are many places called that..

Englewood is a pretty rough neighborhood in Chicago. But I am sure there are a few other "Englewoods" scattered across the country.
 
Pwned!

Touche 😀

SO WER R U TKLSH LOL

Assuming you are transformed into a small critter, take the direction N 33deg2'0" W at a distance of 50 pace factors, between the liver and pancreas...

Hah, you're CHECKMATE! 😀

One creep down..hahaha!
 
There's a difference between harrassing someone and putting the feelers out. It's not even subtle, it's blatantly obvious; if a man sends you a message saying something along the lines of I've seen you around the forum, seen some pictures of you, you're cute, you have pretty feet, would love to tickle you, message me back if you're up for it, yadd yadd yadda, making themselves known to a woman and declaring an interest, that's not harrassment. It's not harrassment to walk up to a girl in a nightclub and try some shitty chat-up lines on her, is it? Do any women here feel that's harrassing behaviour? Obviously you wouldn't blurt out anything suggestive as your opening gambit in a live conversation, but the dynamic is a bit different on the internets. You don't have the luxury of being able to play off body language or facial expressions or tone to see if she's at all interested past the pleasantries, you just say what you're going to say and move on. If the message is unneccesarily lurid or explicit then it's creepy and the appropriate course of action is either to delete said message and ignore said member, or if you're feeling REALLY frisky message the member back and make your disapproval known. Perhaps let them know where they stand with you, whether you're likely to be interested or not, whether you'd rather they toned down the approach a bit, that sort of thing. Same as you'd do in real life. Assuming you're not socially deficient.
It becomes harrassment when you start being bombarded with unwanted attention in whatever form; be it public harrassment on the forums, bombardment with private messages, or other more sinister things like IM stalking or whatever. That's harrassment and that needs to be looked at far more seriously, because even if the harrasser isn't necessarily dangerous it's still not something anyone should have to put up with. All that said, a single message from a single member is not harrassment, no matter how lurid and disgusting the message is.

I have to give you props for the well thought out response and don't necessarily disagree. Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear to point out that one message, however disgusting, does not necessarily constitute "harassment". Is it in poor taste? Oh, hell yes. Wouldn't catch me PMing someone with some of the content I'm informed of by friends of mine.

Putting out "feelers" as you put it, that's not quite so bad as long as you're respectful about it. It's when someone who isn't interested is bugged constantly, perhaps putting up with rude or threatening behavior from the interested party that it becomes a big problem.

Good thoughts, everyone.
 
I have to give you props for the well thought out response and don't necessarily disagree. Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear to point out that one message, however disgusting, does not necessarily constitute "harassment".

There's no "necessarily" about it; it's just not harrassment at all. If there are lots of messages from different people you can begin to FEEL harrassed, however that's life. Sometimes a smelly derelict will try to strike up a conversation with you at a bus stop. Sometimes several will do it in one day. Ho hum.

Is it in poor taste? Oh, hell yes. Wouldn't catch me PMing someone with some of the content I'm informed of by friends of mine.

Me either, but you can't legislate for the stupidity and ineptitude of human beings. If you could we'd all be fucked.

Putting out "feelers" as you put it, that's not quite so bad as long as you're respectful about it. It's when someone who isn't interested is bugged constantly, perhaps putting up with rude or threatening behavior from the interested party that it becomes a big problem.

Surely that's common sense, though? Surely that's not something anyone needs to create about every 6 weeks? Surely reporting such behaviour to the mods is not something adults need to be prompted to do? Or maybe the fact they complain instead of act is a sign that people are not actually as bothered by it as they make out?...
 
Surely that's common sense, though? Surely that's not something anyone needs to create about every 6 weeks? Surely reporting such behaviour to the mods is not something adults need to be prompted to do? Or maybe the fact they complain instead of act is a sign that people are not actually as bothered by it as they make out?...

In some cases, sure. I'll buy that. But I really don't want to get into any sort of debate. Opinions are certainly welcome, as long as it's clear that the original intention of this thread is for those that want to share personal (I won't say harassment) "bothersome" experiences are free to do so without fear of being blamed for feeling the way they do. Not that I'm suggesting that you or anyone else would do that, please understand.
 
What I don't get is why more women don't take offence to the constant white knighting they are subjected to by various male members of the forum.

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Just had to post this 😀
 
The Archetype:

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Men! That's right, all you war-causing scumbag men out there; Even if a woman treats you like shit you still have to love her because she used to be nice! Now stop causing wars and such and STOP HARRASSING WOMEN BY ASKING THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THEMSELVES!
 
The Archetype:

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Men! That's right, all you war-causing scumbag men out there; Even if a woman treats you like shit you still have to love her because she used to be nice! Now stop causing wars and such and STOP HARRASSING WOMEN BY ASKING THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THEMSELVES!

The only thing I can really think when I see that is "what is up with that sweater?" But I don't want to derail this thing. If anyone wants to share a story or two, please go right ahead. Provided you haven't been scared off already, naturally.
 
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