Presidential debate

[SheDevil1]

So, can we kill this lame topic sooner or later? I hate seeing people bitch to no avail. Please make it sooner than later.

 

[august spies]

bush sucks, its agreed, now we can move on?

 

[coloman]

Note to jrubicante my posts are not all the same and they have content, you just choose to ignore it. As far as my opinions being "coerced or misguided" those are the labels you picked to place on them and I do not agree with your opinion. You clearly are against President Bush and the Republicans and a strong backer of Senator Kerry and the Democrats. That's fine, but if Senator Kerry wins the Presidential election be ready to pay through the nose for all the promises he is making and the plans he and the Democrats have to solve all the problems. Of course that is nothing new where the Democratic Party is concerned because that has been the policy of a majority of the Democratic Presidential candidates over at least the last fifty years. Making promises to get elected and raising our taxes to pay for them if they are elected has never been a good economic policy and it never will be. An interesting fact I happened to come across on the internet is that if elected President Senator Kerry would be the tenth richest President in history. I say this because he said he will stop the tax breaks for the rich and give them to the middle class instead. Since he is rich he would be taking money out of his own pocket and giving it to middle class Americans so I am pretty sure that campaign promise would go out the window if he were to win the Oval Office in November. In regard to the Vice-Presidential debate I think both Cheney and Edwards traded blows pretty equally and in my opinion that debate was a draw. I did not watch tonights debate but the polls gave it to Kerry by a huge margin. Perhaps Senator Kerry is a better debater than Bush but that doesn't mean he would make a better President. The questions have mostly been ones that allowed Kerry to take the offensive side and forced President Bush to be on the defensive. It's too bad they were not poised to allow both candidates to debate equally both offensively and defensively during each debate but so far that has not been the case. I don't think the line of questioning will be any different in the third and final debate but we will have to wait and see about that. President Bush at least has the guts to take a stand on the issues instead of being indecisive like Senator Kerry has been. No matter who wins the election life as you and I both know it won't change very much except that both your paycheck and mine will be less after taxes if Kerry wins. I just happen to feel that President Bush is the better of the two candidates. It's too bad the politicians of this country could not find some kind of happy medum so that compromises could be made and a solution we all would be able to live with could be reached. We will never see that happen though because that concept might actually work and neither side is willing to admit to the other that that kind of an approach to the problem might be a viable way to solve it.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Ok. I just want to say a few things here. John D. Schmidt, all your posts are exactly the same and have no content save one 'fact': we each have the right to our own opinions, no matter how coerced or misguided.

Vlad, you claim that Bush has literally had no effect on you. Yet you admit that horrible, horrible things have happened in the Middle East. These things were caused by Bush. If the fact that you're still voting for him isn't proof that you're a selfish person, I don't know what is.

I put that stuff about World War III and "non-partisan research" (ha ha! like there's such a thing) in my post on purpose. I just went to show that anybody with any conservative lean is likely going to scrutinize over Kerry's record and question his claims about how many millions of dollars went where, than give real pause and answer the questions that Kerry had posed of the Bush Iraq war. Just like you felt the need to analyze every line in my post, as opposed to giving a defense for Bush's actions and why you're still supporting him. I have yet to hear a republican answer any of the charges brought against the Bush administration by Kerry or Edwards. Bush didn't do it in round 1, Cheney also failed to do it. I hope tonight's debate shines some light.

One more thing. If you're truly a man of God, you should be concerned with how Bush uses God as a political tool to justify his "gut" decisions.

Note: Yeah it's been pointed out that Lincoln also used God in his speeches. But Honest Abe was humble in the face of God, not something we see in Bush.

Well, you're still wrong about me and my opinion and your opinion remains the same. I'm not going to waste my breathe because you demand it. Whats the point in any of this? Why do people even talk about this online amongst eachother? It won't count for anything. Its just a way for people to gain a rep. or esteem among their peers. I already have that.

Sometimes I think people talk just to talk. People here just want to be heard and hear themselves speak or rather type, and for what? So we'll forget in a while when the thread gets bumped down? Its not as if anything that is said here will leave a lasting impression.

You say what you say, I say what I say, and thats as good as this is going to get. Its over. Any more and it would be like beating a dead horse.

 

[nessonite1]

For the record I thought it was a bad idea to bring the subject up in the first place. Political "dicussions" online are a waste of everybody's time.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I agree. It only pits people against eachother in what it becomes. And if anyone feels accosted or slighted, even in the smallest way, they probably hold somewhat of a disdain for the person perminently or for some time, and thats not really fair, as this is just an opinion and doesn't represent the person for them. In a way, its a total misjudging of character.

We're seeing people turn into monkeys flinging poo at eachother. Its becoming redundant and degenerative.

 

[MayDay1]

I agree. It only pits people against eachother in what it becomes. And if anyone feels accosted or slighted, even in the smallest way, they probably hold somewhat of a disdain for the person perminently or for some time, and thats not really fair, as this is just an opinion and doesn't represent the person for them. In a way, its a total misjudging of character.

We're seeing people turn into monkeys flinging poo at eachother. Its becoming redundant and degenerative.

If it's such a waste of time, what are you doing here?

You wanna know the reason I post here? (like it's going to matter now that everyone's all pissy with each other and not reading this thread anymore). To get some life out of some of you people. Being offended or angry, believe it or not, is good. It's proof that you're not dead. Judging by most of the people I meet daily, they forget that they're alive. Prove to me your not dead. Make some noise. Do you want to die without making a an imprint on this garbage heap we call Earth? I don't. When I'm dead and gone you can bet the body part of your choice I'm not going to be forgotten. Can some of you say the same about yourself?

As far as public opinion goes, I don't give two hoots what anyone thinks about me. Love me, hate me, it's all the same. I couldn't care less. But on flip side of that token, I'm not going to hold this thread against any of you in the future. That wouldn't be fair.

You guys want to just let this thread go away? Fine. This issue won't. When November hits, be prepared either way. The future's coming whether you like it or not.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I'm here for others reasons, primarly art stuff.

Secondly, I am VERY MUCH alive. I don't need to prove it to you and neither does anyone else. Look back at what you just said and how desperate it sounds. You're basically telling us now that if we don't do what you want us to we aren't truely alive, that because we don't put so much of our essence into something you do that we're dead. Get ahold of yourself.

I'll make my own imprint on this world in my own way not because I must or because I've got something to prove, and its not by acting like you would like on an internet site no less. I've got better plans for my life than an internet site, and surely theres no need for me to give you my life plans so we can argue about that and try to one-up eachother or something. 😛

As for the issue going away, did any one say it will? No one is denying election time, what this country is facing ,etc, but why should we give "two hoots" about what happens on a little internet site? Nothing you said mattered in the greater scheme of things. This entire thing has just caused friction.

If its so good and heathy for people to be angry, then I should be a god here because I seem to make people angry rather easily. Sorry, thats a flawed way of thinking, though I'm understanding what you mean. True, debate is good in healthy doses, but becoming petty and repeating the same thing over and over again like a broken record does nothing for no one. Thats the point where topics like this are over. Believe it or not, this thread ended some time ago. It doesn't make you any more alive than anyone else, and if this is truely something that gives your life meaning than write a book.

 

[nessonite1]

Your heart's in the right place, MayDay. No one wants to see everyone sit and stagnate but there are less potentially damaging ways to go about it. 😛

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I'm not doubting his heart either. I'm glad he's concerned, I'm sure in some way everyone is concerned, but his personal feelings ought not to be some example by which we should live or talk in this thread. I don't think he appriciates diversity like he could stand to. If he or anyone else just can't agree to disagree and leave the debate at that then theres nothing propserous about this.

If he really is that passionate I'm sure he can find better uses for it. I don't see how complaining about the state of the government on a site that is not designed for that does anyone any good. It can never be about who you are going to vote for, it always has to be taken a step further. And its that extra step that has the potential to start a ruckus.

 

[coloman]

As much as I like to argue and debate the issues this thread has lost it's focus and gotten out of control. After November 2 the sun will still come up in the morning and go down at night and we will all go about our business no matter if Bush wins a second term or if Kerry wins the election. Our country has survived for over 225 years no matter who the President was and it will continue to survive in the future no matter who we elect to be our President. That's because of something our forefathers made sure of when they wrote the Constitution of the United States and began it with "We the People".Thank goodness for that because politicians no matter what party they belong to don't do a very good job of managing things and that won't change any time soon either. Even though this is the general discussion section and every topic is fair game this is a tickling forum and that is what we click on to this website to discuss and view. To end on a note of humor I think it would be fun to put Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Kerry in a set of dual stocks and tickle their feet. Then we could have a debate over which one of them had the most ticklish feet and none of us would get pissed off at each other no matter how the debate ended.

 

[alf1]

To end on a note of humor I think it would be fun to put Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Kerry in a set of dual stocks and tickle their feet. Then we could have a debate over which one of them had the most ticklish feet and none of us would get pissed off at each other no matter how the debate ended.

LOL you get out of that mess pretty well 😉 sure that would be more interesting.
And if a candidate instores tickling as legal no doubt vote for him ( i wonder if it ever happens though but hey why not ? )

 

[SheDevil1]

For the record I thought it was a bad idea to bring the subject up in the first place. Political "dicussions" online are a waste of everybody's time.

Let's close with that, yes? The fact of the matter is, the more you write, the less anybody pays attention, so, don't bother. You waste your time in putting effort and 'thought' into it, and you waste anyone else's time who puts effort in reading this garbage :grind_tee. Honestly, if I wanted to read all that shit, I'd have to take time out of my day to sit down and read it. It's all bullshit, stop wasting time with this political bullshit. Okay? OKAY!!! The next person to reply will get stabbed to death violently.

 

[alf1]

The next person to reply will get stabbed to death violently.

Definitevely that was the most clever thing written here so far 🙂
close this thread She Devil please 😉

 

[SheDevil1]

I wish I could! Make TickleTheater kill it, please, it has soiled my eyes!

 

[His Divine Shadow]

What reason is there to close it? It seems as though a healthy, if heated, discussion has formed. If the creator of the thread wishes it to be closed, I will, but thus far, I see no reason to. No flame wars of any severity have started, and I think it is healthy for the Theater to be host to such a vibrant discussion.

 

[SheDevil1]

Fine, then, I'll just have to ignore this thread! Wait, that doesn't hurt you in any way....damn.

 

[alf1]

She Devil for unpolitically correct mod 🙂

 

[His Divine Shadow]

Fine, then, I'll just have to ignore this thread! Wait, that doesn't hurt you in any way....damn.

Thou hast defeated thyself. 😛

 

[SheDevil1]

Yeah well, defeating yourself is always fun. Especially when you've got porn...oh wait, we're not talking about that kind of self-defeat 😉

 

[MayDay1]

I'm not doubting his heart either. I'm glad he's concerned, I'm sure in some way everyone is concerned, but his personal feelings ought not to be some example by which we should live or talk in this thread. I don't think he appriciates diversity like he could stand to. If he or anyone else just can't agree to disagree and leave the debate at that then theres nothing propserous about this.

If he really is that passionate I'm sure he can find better uses for it. I don't see how complaining about the state of the government on a site that is not designed for that does anyone any good. It can never be about who you are going to vote for, it always has to be taken a step further. And its that extra step that has the potential to start a ruckus.

I don't appreciate diversity, eh? That's pretty funny.

Don't base me by just what I post here. Buddy, you have no idea.

 

[Kalamos]

Prove to me your not dead. Make some noise. Do you want to die without making a an imprint on this garbage heap we call Earth?

You want me to make some noise? You want me to leave a trace? Mark a print on the old sore mudball??

HELL! [Hey, easy on profanity, man!]

I've been filling you with my *excellent* [J/K 😉 ] tk art since December 2003 - free of charge! 😉 😉 😉
What next? You want my blood? 😉

Really now, some fighting is good - unless people really start flaming and trolling about: when you get confront others, you are bound to eventually stop and think.
And thinking is *usually* good.

Sure, someone will get angry, be offended by somebody else, but ultimately "chat-scars" will heal and make us stronger and more mature.

Even if we don't get to see whom we are typing to, we face persons and positions different from our own, and stranger ideas always broaden our experience - well, hopefully. 🙂

In the very least, we learn to avoid certain topics or to keep our ideas to ourselves - so rarely is a thread really a waste of time.


Back to topic... no, nothing more to add: I'm not trying to budge people from their respective positions.

I just hope nobody I care for [the remaining ones, I mean...] will get blown to pieces because of some random bomb or terror attack.

That's my only problem, and the only thing I care about.


Reg's.

 

[TickledToDeath]

I watched it and agree with frye. Bush was on the defense all night....desperatly pleading for America to believe him just because he said so. He was running on ice. Redundant, almost confusingly surprised and dumbfounded. At other times he seemed like a child with his hand caught in the cookie jar.
Kerry blew Bushs' doors off and won this debate easily. As far as the Debates go, Kerry 2 Bush 0.

TTD

 

[august spies]

anyone want to start a new debate thread about bush? I have two rules:

1) No racism, to my knowlege people on this forum are 100times better than those on the TMF so i dont think this will be a problem.

2) No strawman. I am not kerry and im not going to defend kerry (only from bushs lies). I only want to know why people are defending or supporting bush, it makes no sense to me...

any bites?

 

[MayDay1]

You want me to make some noise? You want me to leave a trace? Mark a print on the old sore mudball??

HELL! [Hey, easy on profanity, man!]

I've been filling you with my *excellent* [J/K 😉 ] tk art since December 2003 - free of charge! 😉 😉 😉
What next? You want my blood? 😉

Excellent. Just don't ever stop and don't ever settle. That's all I ask.