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Punk wins! Punk wins! Punk wins!

I'm not even a wrestling fan anymore (haven't been since the late 90s to early 2000s), but when I saw this CM Punk guy with the belt, I was like what the hell?

Then I saw him defend it against a nobody on RAW, what the fuck?

Then I saw his garbage finishing move, what the fucking hell?


Also, why does HBK still wrestle if they won't let him have the belt? Has he had the belt recently? And if so, what year did he get it and how long did he keep it?
 
Vickie is a ***** living off the name of her dead husband. I am suprised they didn't resort to saying "Eddies ghost cost me the title.". Nothing is beneath the WWE anymore.

So is chavo an asshole as well for wrestling and mentioning eddie\using the frog splash?

How far you wanna go down the guererro line that still wrestle?
 
So is chavo an asshole as well for wrestling and mentioning eddie\using the frog splash?

How far you wanna go down the guererro line that still wrestle?

I wouldn't hold it against Chovo for working fo McMahon, considering he was under contract, and is also a pro wrestler by trade. However I do think he and Rey are both assholes for going along with the "Do it for Eddie" angel that went far longer then it should have (and it shouldn't have at all). The key to that entire "story line" were Chovo and Vickie. Didn't you noticed how Benoit was absent from the company almost the entire time that went on. Even he knew it was wrong, and his mental capasity was probably slipping by the day back then.

P[a]pi: The reason they don't have the belt on Shawn is because he has a "No House Show" clause in his current contract. The top guy on the show should be able to apear at the house shows, because if you are booking a program around him, the people are going to be buying the tickets to see him, so their is no point in putting the belt on someone who can't apear at the House Shows.

MWhoTklFemFeet: Vince won't fire Vickie, she'll probaby have a job in WWE as long as she wants one. It might not be as the "General Manager" of a brand, but she'll always have a spot.
 
It's hard to ignore you Slaver for several reasons. First, your posts are so filled with spelling errors, it's kind of hard NOT to notice you.

Second, for a guy who hates everything WWE, why on God's green Earth are you even following the product? You tell me to ignore you, why don't you ignore the WWE? Exactly...

Third, you make absolutely no sense. You call Vickie Guerrero a ***** for no good reason and you call Chavo and Rey assholes because they went along with an angle for Eddie Guerrero. Why is it so horrible for them to do the angle? They are HONORING Eddie! Man, you have no clue on what you are talking about. It's just your hatred of McMahon that blinds you so much from simple logic.

Now, since the Guerrero family is so villified by you for honoring their deceased relative, let's remember what you said about Vince. You blame Vince for Owen's death right? McMahon is this pure evil guy and anyone who works with McMahon, especially after their relative dies is a ***** or assholes right? Then can you explain why I don't see you insulting the daughter of Jim Niedhart? She is working with McMahon and will probably be the SmackDown Divas champion. Why aren't you insulting her? After all, Vince "screwed" her uncle and killed another. She could wrestle in TNA, or anywhere else, but she is working for the WWE of all places. C'mon, let's see you call her a ***** now you contradicting fool.....
 
I wouldn't hold it against Chovo for working fo McMahon, considering he was under contract, and is also a pro wrestler by trade. However I do think he and Rey are both assholes for going along with the "Do it for Eddie" angel that went far longer then it should have (and it shouldn't have at all). The key to that entire "story line" were Chovo and Vickie. Didn't you noticed how Benoit was absent from the company almost the entire time that went on. Even he knew it was wrong, and his mental capasity was probably slipping by the day back then.

P[a]pi: The reason they don't have the belt on Shawn is because he has a "No House Show" clause in his current contract. The top guy on the show should be able to apear at the house shows, because if you are booking a program around him, the people are going to be buying the tickets to see him, so their is no point in putting the belt on someone who can't apear at the House Shows.

MWhoTklFemFeet: Vince won't fire Vickie, she'll probaby have a job in WWE as long as she wants one. It might not be as the "General Manager" of a brand, but she'll always have a spot.

I know Vince wouldn't literly fire Vickie from WWE, I meant fire her on TV, like how they "bannished" the Undertaker from WWE.
 
It's hard to ignore you Slaver for several reasons. First, your posts are so filled with spelling errors, it's kind of hard NOT to notice you.

I would think that would make it even easier. You see my name, you skip over it.

primetime said:
Second, for a guy who hates everything WWE, why on God's green Earth are you even following the product? You tell me to ignore you, why don't you ignore the WWE? Exactly...

First of all I don't follow the product, I pick up things here an their from both here on the forum, and from a radio show called "Live Audio Wrestling" that airs on the radio every Sunday. You should listen to it too, you might learn something and actualy understand what the fuck you talking about. You can catch it at www.cfrb.com at 11:00 pm - 1:00 am EST.

primetime said:
Third, you make absolutely no sense. You call Vickie Guerrero a ***** for no good reason and you call Chavo and Rey assholes because they went along with an angle for Eddie Guerrero. Why is it so horrible for them to do the angle? They are HONORING Eddie! Man, you have no clue on what you are talking about. It's just your hatred of McMahon that blinds you so much from simple logic.

My hatred from McMahon hasn't blinded me PT, it's opened my eyes. 1) They were not honouring Eddie, they were exploiting his death for profit, 2) what involvement did Vicky have in wrestling other then being married to Eddie, NONE, she was only on Smack Down a couple of times during his fued with Rey. It wasn't like she was Elizabeth or Kimberly Page, where they hadbeen on TV for years. 3) Chavo, Rey and Eddie were like brothers, and brothers should have more respect then to try and make a buck from their another brothers death. The entire locker room should have stood together and said no, but none of them had the guts except Benoit who took a leave during that time.

primetime said:
Now, since the Guerrero family is so villified by you for honoring their deceased relative, let's remember what you said about Vince. You blame Vince for Owen's death right? McMahon is this pure evil guy and anyone who works with McMahon, especially after their relative dies is a ***** or assholes right? Then can you explain why I don't see you insulting the daughter of Jim Niedhart? She is working with McMahon and will probably be the SmackDown Divas champion. Why aren't you insulting her? After all, Vince "screwed" her uncle and killed another. She could wrestle in TNA, or anywhere else, but she is working for the WWE of all places. C'mon, let's see you call her a ***** now you contradicting fool.....

You, of course, are missing the main point of my comments on Vickie, being that I feel she is exploiting her dead husbands name, and not honouring it, but you are a McMahon suproter and anybody who suports him wouldn't know what honour is.

Bret himself has given his blessing for family to work for McMahon and has said he doesn't expect them not to work for him. Personaly I think it is in bad taist, and it would probably be better for her as a performer to work in TNA being that they have a higher standard for ring work there (and I understand Nadie Niedhart is a pretty good wrestler) though their women's belt is sort of ugly looking. If the day comes (if it hasn't already) that Nadie say "I'm going to win the title for Uncle Owen" then I would consider that to be exploitive, and I would consider her a ***** for doing it.
 
You just don't get it do you Slaver? Let me put it to you as simple as possible. I will ignore you once you stop posting in WWE threads and making an ass out of yourself. So it looks like I'm not going to ignore you am I?

You ARE following the product if you keep reading about what's going on and listening to some show. If you didn't follow the product, you damn sure wouldn't be listening/reading anything about the WWE. Simple logic. Yet, you continue to post in WWE threads and make asinine comments.

As for the Guerrero family. How ignorant are you? You mean to tell me that when anyone dies, the family should not honor them in any way? So when Eddie died, no one is supposed to do anything? Just put a graphic up despite the fact he was an important part of their storylines as the time? No!! Again, I ask, exactly how is Vince making money off of Eddie's death? Explain it.

You never will because you have no clue on what you're talking about. Besides, how is Vickie doing wrong now, considering her "character" is mentioning nothing about Eddie Guerrero? Hate to break this to you, but this whole "Vickie is GM" storyline is NOT about Eddie Guerrero, yet you call her a ***** and making money off of Eddie's death. You sir, are not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

So, what you're saying is, all those professional sports teams that had a teammate die are trying to make a buck by having decals on their helmets or armbands of their fallen teammates right? The Washington Redskins organization exploited Sean Taylor's death by selling t-shirts and decals honoring his memory right? They are only doing the same thing McMahon did after one of his employees died.

Another thing I don't understand about you is that your own HERO has "given his blessing" for his family to work for McMahon, yet you still despise everything McMahon does. If your own HERO can work with McMahon again, then why are you still bitter? Bret would "hate" McMahon more than you because he was PERSONALLY involved. Why do you have such a moronic hatred of McMahon? Go get some damn therapy.
 
You just don't get it do you Slaver? Let me put it to you as simple as possible. I will ignore you once you stop posting in WWE threads and making an ass out of yourself. So it looks like I'm not going to ignore you am I?

Nope, it sure doesn't.

primetime said:
You ARE following the product if you keep reading about what's going on and listening to some show. If you didn't follow the product, you damn sure wouldn't be listening/reading anything about the WWE. Simple logic. Yet, you continue to post in WWE threads and make asinine comments.

The only person being an ass is you. Keeping tabs on something isn't the same as following it. Following the WWE product would be sitting infront of the tv and watching it's programing and Ordering it's crappy DVDs. I am keeping up on thing every so often so I can find out when it's cleaned up it's act. Perhaps geting unionized or having some 3rd party intervention that keeps it clean of drug abuse and roids, like a comition on Pro Wrestling, not just for the WWE but TNA, RoH and any indie promotion that are active.

primetime said:
As for the Guerrero family. How ignorant are you? You mean to tell me that when anyone dies, the family should not honor them in any way? So when Eddie died, no one is supposed to do anything? Just put a graphic up despite the fact he was an important part of their storylines as the time? No!! Again, I ask, exactly how is Vince making money off of Eddie's death? Explain it.

They honoured Eddie Guerrero during the RAW and SmackDown show's the week following his death. Anything that happened after that was exploytation. The fact that they went on to do an angle with Rey, Chavo, and Vickie in a stupid attempt at a raitings grab is how Vince was trying to make money off of Eddie's death. Raitings means viewers, and the more viers they have the more money the WWE gets for Advertising spots. Thats how TV works, or didn't you know that. I don't know if it did him any good, but it was still wrong for them to do it. Besides Rey should have been pushed based on his ability not some lame angle based on his friends death, nor should he have agreed to it.

primetime said:
You never will because you have no clue on what you're talking about. Besides, how is Vickie doing wrong now, considering her "character" is mentioning nothing about Eddie Guerrero? Hate to break this to you, but this whole "Vickie is GM" storyline is NOT about Eddie Guerrero, yet you call her a ***** and making money off of Eddie's death. You sir, are not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

When was Vickie brought in to the WWE, during the "Do It For Eddie" angle correct, so that blow everything you just said out you ass... where your brain is located... hope you didn't lose to many IQ point's it's not like you can spair them at this point.

primetime said:
So, what you're saying is, all those professional sports teams that had a teammate die are trying to make a buck by having decals on their helmets or armbands of their fallen teammates right? The Washington Redskins organization exploited Sean Taylor's death by selling t-shirts and decals honoring his memory right? They are only doing the same thing McMahon did after one of his employees died.

Like I said their is a difference between honouring somebodies contrabution to their field, and exploiting their death. I do know the WWE put together a package for fans (I think it was a DVD, T-Shirt, and Arm Band) and the money went to his family. That was a pretty cool thing to do, but then he turns around and spend a year exploiting his death in the above mentioned angle. If it was a simple matter of selling T-Shirts that said something like "In Memorie of Eddie Guerrero" that would be find, but to continue using his name in an Entertainment form isn't much different then when Jose Huertas Gonzalez (aka the Invader) used the murder of Bruiser Brody as an angle in WWC back in the 80's. It's a little different only because Eddie wasn't murderd, but it was still wrong.

primtime said:
Another thing I don't understand about you is that your own HERO has "given his blessing" for his family to work for McMahon, yet you still despise everything McMahon does. If your own HERO can work with McMahon again, then why are you still bitter? Bret would "hate" McMahon more than you because he was PERSONALLY involved. Why do you have such a moronic hatred of McMahon? Go get some damn therapy.

Bret is my wrestling hero, but he isn't my master. I don't base all my judments in life on what the people I admire do or don't do. Unlike you I don't let popular opinions dictate my actions, nor do I make petty excuses for when the people I do admire make bad choices, other then that they are human. Vince, in the grand sceam of thing, is a bad person, and when you suport his company you are saying i(at the very least) that you don't mind his lack of morality because he does it in the name of buisness. I wan't the guy's in the buisness to be treated like people not Circus Animals. Hell if Vince treated an animal like he treated his wrestlers PETA and ever other animal rights group would be banging on his door. The Wellness program is a joke. Don't be suprised if another 50 wrestlers are dead by 2017, not that you'll care, because you'll have been entertained.
 
Since you have a hard time writing English, why did I ever expect you to understand it as well? My bad..

Hey "mentally challenged", re-read what I wrote about Vickie Guerrero. True or False? Vickie's character of TODAY is based on Eddie's death. In other words, she became the GM of Smackdown because Eddie died. FALSE. So how is she "whoring" herself with her character TODAY? Pay attention for once.

Let me break it to you a little about how the English language works. The way you have an opinion on wrestling, one will know that you F-O-L-L-O-W wrestling. Picking up tidbits and having a basic understanding of what is happening with storylines and characters means that you are FOLLOWING the product. I have absolutely no clue on what is happening in the world of rugby, which means I am not following it. Am I making opinions about what is happening in rugby? Am I saying such and such coach of a rugby team should be fired? NO. Why? Because I am not following it. Get it? You ARE following the WWE. If you weren't, you would care less about what is happening and damn sure not making opinions about it. English man, simple basic English understanding.

Now you contradict yourself. You said Vince is exploiting the deaths of his wrestlers to make money. Now you say the tribute they did for Eddie was okay, but the angle following wasn't. What about Benoit's death? They did a tribute show and that was it. They never talked about Benoit again. So, how did Vince exploit Benoit's death for money? You did say Vince exploited it, so explain your point of view. Again, you have no clue on what you are talking about.

Bret is your hero and you do take everything he says as the gospel. You formed your basic argument over what happened to Bret Hart. Again, unless you actually work in the industry and work with McMahon up close, how could you possibly say he is a "bad" person? You don't know. You base your opinion mainly on Bret Hart's opinion. Yet, Bret works with McMahon again. Stop being a complete ass and get over it already. If you do not like the WWE, fine, but leave WWE threads alone and the people who enjoy the WWE. Notice, you're just about the only one with the opinion that you have. No one else has chimed in supporting you 100%. Ever wonder why? You have no damn clue what you are talking about....
 
Hey "mentally challenged", re-read what I wrote about Vickie Guerrero. True or False? Vickie's character of TODAY is based on Eddie's death. In other words, she became the GM of Smackdown because Eddie died. FALSE. So how is she "whoring" herself with her character TODAY? Pay attention for once.

Vickie's spot on the show today wouldn't have happened if they hadn't done what they did with her before.

primetime said:
Let me break it to you a little about how the English language works. The way you have an opinion on wrestling, one will know that you F-O-L-L-O-W wrestling. Picking up tidbits and having a basic understanding of what is happening with storylines and characters means that you are FOLLOWING the product. I have absolutely no clue on what is happening in the world of rugby, which means I am not following it. Am I making opinions about what is happening in rugby? Am I saying such and such coach of a rugby team should be fired? NO. Why? Because I am not following it. Get it? You ARE following the WWE. If you weren't, you would care less about what is happening and damn sure not making opinions about it. English man, simple basic English understanding.

Ok I see where you are coming from here

primetime said:
Now you contradict yourself. You said Vince is exploiting the deaths of his wrestlers to make money. Now you say the tribute they did for Eddie was okay, but the angle following wasn't. What about Benoit's death? They did a tribute show and that was it. They never talked about Benoit again. So, how did Vince exploit Benoit's death for money? You did say Vince exploited it, so explain your point of view. Again, you have no clue on what you are talking about.

Their is no contradiction, because Benoit has nothing to do with the topic of Eddie's death being Exploited. I do think he Benoit death not been a murder Suicide then vince would have probably found away to cash in on it. During the "Do it for Eddie" angle Benoit took a leave from the WWE to help out with his son because Nancy had just had surgery.

primetime said:
Bret is your hero and you do take everything he says as the gospel. You formed your basic argument over what happened to Bret Hart. Again, unless you actually work in the industry and work with McMahon up close, how could you possibly say he is a "bad" person? You don't know. You base your opinion mainly on Bret Hart's opinion. Yet, Bret works with McMahon again. Stop being a complete ass and get over it already. If you do not like the WWE, fine, but leave WWE threads alone and the people who enjoy the WWE. Notice, you're just about the only one with the opinion that you have. No one else has chimed in supporting you 100%. Ever wonder why? You have no damn clue what you are talking about....

How about the limo company here in Toronto that Vince just flat out refused to pay after using their survices for years? How about the total disregard for Owen Hart's safty at Over the Edge for the sake of air time, how about the Exploitation of Eddie Guerrero's death for almost a year, how about the firing of Dawn Marie because she got pregnant (gosh how terrible for her to do such a thing). How about the fact that Jessie Ventura had to sue Vince for royalties due to hin a few year back. How about the firing of Dave Shultz for slaping a reporter when Vince had told him to set the guy straight (what did he thing Dr. D was going to do kiss him?). How about him firing Offa when he decided he should be with his wife when his child was being born, and the fact that he let Hunter go to be with Steph when his grandchild was being born? How about the firing of talented women wrestlers only to replace them with (mostly) no talent bimbo because the talented one's wouldn't pose for Playboy (can you say sexual discrimination)?

Is that enough or need I look up some more shit that Vince has done. Just how much of the McMahon kool-aid have you been drinking?
 
You really don't get it do you? Can you show me where I said Vince is a "saint"? I have always said he is a businessman and sometimes businessmen do "unethical" things. But Vince is not "evil". You talk about all of Vince's evils, but yet you have no answer for his participation in the Make A Wish foundation or the simple fact that he takes his employees to the middle of a warzone to entertain the troops in Iraq. Yeah, evil people do that all the time...

Get off of Vickie Guerrero. She first appeared on WWE when Eddie was ALIVE. Remember the whole Rey Misterio-Eddie rivalry where their families were involved? That's when she FIRST appeared, NOT at the death of her husband. Learn some things before you open your trap. The woman does something for her family and you call her a *****. You truly are, "not bright".

There IS a contradiction. You wrote that Vince exploited Benoit's death. I replied to you in countless other threads about Benoit's death, now you're saying it's just Eddie's death. Why are you backtracking? Because you know you made no sense and are trying to cover it up.

What is it? Did Benoit leave the WWE because he didn't agree with Eddie's "exploitation", or did he leave to be with his son because Nancy had surgery?

Go back to school son. You're a complete dunce...
 
You really don't get it do you? Can you show me where I said Vince is a "saint"? I have always said he is a businessman and sometimes businessmen do "unethical" things. But Vince is not "evil". You talk about all of Vince's evils, but yet you have no answer for his participation in the Make A Wish foundation or the simple fact that he takes his employees to the middle of a warzone to entertain the troops in Iraq. Yeah, evil people do that all the time...

Why isn't he going to Afganistan, you remember that one right, but then again that war isn't in the new as much so he wouldn't get as much notice. By the way Al Capone used to give to Charity too. You fall for his con job like nobody else pimp lover.

primetime said:
Get off of Vickie Guerrero. She first appeared on WWE when Eddie was ALIVE. Remember the whole Rey Misterio-Eddie rivalry where their families were involved? That's when she FIRST appeared, NOT at the death of her husband. Learn some things before you open your trap. The woman does something for her family and you call her a *****. You truly are, "not bright".

I remember when Vickie showed up on SmackDown during that dumb angle with Rey. She on on for what 2 episodes for about 30 second. She is *****, nothing will change my minde on that.

primetime said:
There IS a contradiction. You wrote that Vince exploited Benoit's death. I replied to you in countless other threads about Benoit's death, now you're saying it's just Eddie's death. Why are you backtracking? Because you know you made no sense and are trying to cover it up.

Where is their a contradiction? I've stated that Vince shouldn't have tried to cash in on Eddie's death by using his name in an angle. Do you think it was ok to use a dead man to try and make a buck... other then the Undertaker I mean. Of course you do, because whatever Vince does is ok with you, as long as it's only entertainment.

primetime said:
What is it? Did Benoit leave the WWE because he didn't agree with Eddie's "exploitation", or did he leave to be with his son because Nancy had surgery?

Well I think it was originaly to help Nancy, and it coinsided with that stupid "Do It For Eddie" angle, but doesn't it seem strange to you that after he comes back he is sent down to the ECW show. Why do you think that was, maybe because he wouldn't go along with it? Probably not, because acording to you, "Vince Does What the People Want" and that mean they must have wanted Benoit on the third string show right.

primetime said:
Go back to school son. You're a complete dunce...

Go back to you corner and pick up from your girls Pimp Time.
 
Afghanistan, Iraq, what difference does it make? Iraq is on the American psyche (although they both should), that's why he went there. The fact of the matter is, Vince and his employees risked their lives to entertain the troops abroad. Yeah, pure evil isn't he? Stop talking because your intelligience is matching your hygiene. Terrible...

You can call Vickie a ***** all you like, but let's see if you would be man enough to tell that to her face, or Rey's or Chavo's. Let's see if they agree with your "Vince is exploiting Eddie's death" theory that you have. I'll be sure to send dead flowers to your hospital bed while you lie in a coma if you did that. You are WAY off with that theory. Again, I see no one else agreeing with you.

Who knows why Benoit was sent to ECW. Isn't it possible that they sent him there to help boost ratings? That's why they sent Triple H, Jim Ross and Jeff Hardy to Smackdown. To improve ratings. But oh no, that couldn't be it. Your theory is sound. Yeah, right...

At least I have women and women love to be around me. Go back to your hold and do whatever you do in it. I really don't want to know...
 
Really guys? You obviously disagree and that cool. Yay! for having opinions.. but this is nuts now.. So everyone look at how hot I am and get distracted! 😀
 
Really guys? You obviously disagree and that cool. Yay! for having opinions.. but this is nuts now.. So everyone look at how hot I am and get distracted! 😀

This is the greatest post. I find being distracted by your hotness fairly easy, dear. 😀
 
Afghanistan, Iraq, what difference does it make? Iraq is on the American psyche (although they both should), that's why he went there. The fact of the matter is, Vince and his employees risked their lives to entertain the troops abroad. Yeah, pure evil isn't he? Stop talking because your intelligience is matching your hygiene. Terrible...

Thanks for proving my point. Iraq is on the American psyche, so he send his wrestlers to where he will get a pat on the back most. Just like the Make a Wish foundation it's all done to make people like you think he is a better person then he is. Do you think they are really in the midle of a war zone where they are wrestling, please. The military would never allow civilians, especaily women, to be put in that sort of risk. Smoke and Mirrors is what Vinnie-Mack does best, and you are his biggest victim.

primetime said:
You can call Vickie a ***** all you like, but let's see if you would be man enough to tell that to her face, or Rey's or Chavo's. Let's see if they agree with your "Vince is exploiting Eddie's death" theory that you have. I'll be sure to send dead flowers to your hospital bed while you lie in a coma if you did that. You are WAY off with that theory. Again, I see no one else agreeing with you.

You mean go up to Rey and Chovo, and say "You two are ass holes for selling out you dead friend/Uncle for a push in the company, and by the way Chovo your aunt Vickie is a scank for the same reason." If I ran into either of them in a bar, I might just do that... do you think they would sighn my cast after?

primtime said:
Who knows why Benoit was sent to ECW. Isn't it possible that they sent him there to help boost ratings? That's why they sent Triple H, Jim Ross and Jeff Hardy to Smackdown. To improve ratings. But oh no, that couldn't be it. Your theory is sound. Yeah, right...

If ECW's raitings are of such great importants then why doesn't Triple H go their to try and boost it. Oh, wait, the son-in-law is far to important to be waisted on such a show, so we'll send Benoit instead. Yep makes sence now. YEAH RIGHT (back at'cha)!
 
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