QUESTION ABOUT TICKLE SLAVES COMPANY/TICKLING PARADISE

[Merkle'sBoner]

I could be wrong but...

I call bullshit.

 

[wildcatgrl]

Assuming the woman was tricked - being told they would restrain her without warning of the plan to tickle her - I can see why she was mad! Fellow ticklers know how angry a surprise tickle can make certain girls, so imagine pulling that after cuffing her to a bed and keeping it up long enough to make it into a commercial video.

Legally, perhaps the company had her where they wanted her (in more ways than one) when she signed the modeling contract. But while I am not blaming the victim, were I that woman, knowing these strangers are going to tie me down, I would ask a friend to accompany me to the video shoot. I wonder who would show up for the job by herself.

Good point. She was not even cuffed to a bed but rather on a table with tight stocks. Furthermore, some people do not want to bring a friend because they may be hiding the fact that they are doing tickle vids or fetish vids in the first place. For example, Neela from tickleabuse- she doesnt want to do more vids b/c she is afraid of her parents finding out. But yes- I did not get the feeling from the Jessica vid that it was very consensual. I havent seen the Katy vid that one of the posters mentioned but the Jessica vid was INTENSE. At one point at the end, the guy pretends to be untying her and then tickles her ribcage instead with the 10 finger technique 🙁

 

[Phineas]

Maybe I missed it (not a first for me) but did anyone ask the video company?

When people have inquired about the Nonconsensual videos (NC1/2) offered by PV, they've always been evasive about it. We've never, and probably never will, get a direct "yes" or "no" about what exactly went down to make these, or other, videos.

But, before this thread erupts into Yet Another Flamewar about the issues surrounding non-con videos, I'll just remind everyone that adult/fetish video producers lie about the circumstances under which their footage is captured all the flippin' time. Those little blurbs about the "cute girl at the mall who was dying to be in our video even though she's never done anything like this before, ever!" is complete bullshit, 99% of the time. At least, it is according to a friend of mine who does fetish modelling. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Em Es]

Thanks, wildcatgirl and Phineas

I guess as long as no one can document the video company lied about the set-up, those to whom the fantasy appeals can believe it and enjoy the action. After all, I'm sure a number of tickling models who looked like they were really getting tickled were either acting or at least exaggerating their reaction but if they fooled me, well, what's the difference?

 

[Phineas]

After all, I'm sure a number of tickling models who looked like they were really getting tickled were either acting or at least exaggerating their reaction but if they fooled me, well, what's the difference?

Also, don't forget that some models like to be tortured. I've personally witnessed scenes in dungeons involving things like stun guns and sobbing - but it was all completely consensual.

I really, really don't understand S&M.

 

[TKL_M28_LI_NY]

I haven't seen it.

What I HAVE seen are samples that didn't prompt me to buy the video because they are so FAKE; the girls don't laugh right, they jerk at the wrong times, and they don't flail right either.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

I think is was good business. I'm assuming it was either not non-con, or the person was cool enough with the money made to sign the release. The controversy just generates more interest and better sales. *shrug*

Sunny

 

[Oddjob0226]

Pushing someone too far, into an unbearable agonized state that they did not agree to, should clearly be unacceptable and illegal.*

Some people want this; it's called 'edge play' in some circles. Just as there are real, actual sadists, there are real, actual masochists.

And, people will do all sorts of stuff they don't want to do for money. Or accept the $$ as compensation rather than go to the law. Not out of shame, but good old 'what can I get out of this?'

There may have been trickery involved. I'm against that. But to shoot 5 or 6videos via trickery, and then sell the evidence of these multiple felonies on an open (niche) market - and there's NO mention in the media at all of this - seems a little far fetched. Possible, but far fetched. Even the guy from "Back 40 Foot" who does use trickery has gotten attention from the mainstream news.

What really made people mad about this guy at the time was that he mailed unsolicited material to people's homes from the Tickling Paradise contact information. If I recall, the mail was NOT marked "sexually oriented" which, legally, it has to be. Even so, many people didn't want this kind of thing showing up at their homes, businesses, etc.

So he made a lot of people uncomfortable with his marketing methods, and may have violated federal law in the process. That's why there are still bad feelings about this feller.

Because something is marketed as non-con, and looks it, doesn't mean that it is. Even if limits are pushed (but not shattered). People play differently. Because of our different levels, somethings can look boring and tame, or horrifying.

 

[Phineas]

And, people will do all sorts of stuff they don't want to do for money. Or accept the $$ as compensation rather than go to the law. Not out of shame, but good old 'what can I get out of this?'

Quite right. I have a saying that goes, "The price of stupidity is XXX dollars". I usually utter it whenever I, natch, do something stupid that costs me money. Like the time I broke a small piece on my rearview mirror trying to fix it and had to get the entire assembly replaced. "The price of stupidity is $400."

 

[fightinggirl666]

There are two potential issues here,

1) If (and we don't know this) some creepy producer(s) is going around and tricking, twisting the words of contracts (our just out right lieing) to get people into tickle/torture situations they didn't agree too, don't want to take part in - then clearly that is wrong and something needs to be done - criminal or civil charges or both. That is just not cool and can not be reguarded as acceptable.

2) A big reason such things can happen is because there is a market for it. Personally I've come across a few people in the tickle community who I think cross the line with there "kidnap and tickle/torture her against her will" fantasies, not only is the content of some of these a little distrubing to hear about, but they can serve to encrouge the person who a)can't tell fantasy from reality and b)creepy producers who might want to make a quick buck with "non con" videos.

Most people here are just here to enjoy tickling (of what ever variety) in a safe and consensual way, we need to keep it that way - and make sure we speak up against people who take things to far. Otherwise you risk getting a backlash of bad publicity or potential bad situations like this occuring.

 

[tku]

I own them all - they are cool clips but the girls are blatantly paid models

Outside of the Miranda clip, the ham acting interludes between tickling are universally terribad. At least one of the models, Paige, actually featured in a Tickling Paradise audition clip too (as Brandy) - so I'd have to suspend more than reasonable disbelief that she wasn't aware of what the shoot would entail



I think people are more incensed by the concept of these clips rather than the execution... Miranda in particular is a classic model and def worth a watch, but the series doesn't really warrant the controversy it has attracted to be honest 😛

 

[Oddjob0226]

Phineas, TKU and a few others really have summed it all up.

Is there a potential for shady folks to take advantage of someone? Yes. And someone that untrustworthy might even be dumb enough to videotape - and sell - such activity.

Should models (and producers, for that matter) be careful? Of course.

But is this type of thing really happening, on a regular basis, by the same producers? I find it hard to belive.

Congrats to TickleSlaves; the company that lasted only a few months, produced 6 or so videos, and is still generating buzz nearly 10 years later. I think only 'Teresa'Tickle has surpassed that, and she (HE!) really was a shady dealer!

 

[rhiannon]

Isn't she tied in different positions in that video? I think that already says it all.

 

[wildcatgrl]

Isn't she tied in different positions in that video? I think that already says it all.

no she is not tied in different positions in the video. she is spread out on a table with arm and leg stocks. here is a pic of her:

http://ticklingparadise2.com/store/...s/Tickle Slaves Line/Jessica ~ FULL Version!/

 

[rhiannon]

Then I guess there is another video which is often discussed. Anyways - I have trouble believing that any producer would be stupid enough to tie someone up, doing something against their will and having the evidence right there on video!

 

[C.A.B.]

I have trouble believing that any producer would be stupid enough to tie someone up, doing something against their will and having the evidence right there on video!

^This. If there was a criminal complaint and/or action, the vids would be evidence and anyone selling them would be indited as well. This whole thread reads like one big advertisement by proxy.

 

[Babbles]

Either Stupid Nasty Criminal or xtra Creepy Con Artist. People wanna support either?

Then I guess there is another video which is often discussed. Anyways - I have trouble believing that any producer would be stupid enough to tie someone up, doing something against their will and having the evidence right there on video!

It's always been many (most? ) people's hope that this is correct. However... as I've said in similar threads ---
there are entire mini-series devoted to Stupid Criminals. And a few threads here on that topic as well...

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Just see all the arrogant white-collar ex-millionaire jerks in prison this year alone for scamming...people like Spielberg?!?!
Madoff is the biggest current example, and the guy is far from stupid ---
but they don't think they'll get caught

...and maybe they don't think the girl is gonna complain (embarrassed, afraid the authorities won't take this seriously,
or she signed the sneaky contract before the filming & was convinced the wording was iron-clad, that no cop or lawyer would help her, etc....)

If these models appeared in tickle vids AFTER these films, that would probably indicate they weren't too traumatized, but I don't know if anyone can verify that (probably would've already).

But it's even possible someone would be abused & would continue to model, but would just be more careful about it in future --- Stupid victims as well as stupid criminals? Or desperate victims who need quick cash...

Again, a friend told me he read that someone like this TS character was jailed for something like this, around the time he disappeared --

Either the creep got the small crowded jail cell he deserved or he's laughing every time he reads another post & makes a sale,
thinking he'll remain hidden so the videos will continue to have more uncertainty & controversy surrounding them 🙄

It makes sense that the videos would *not still be circulating if that was the case, and again, I hope you're right. If he did it, I'd hope at least one of those women would've nailed him legally or... in some more appropriately excrutiating manner...

Either way this jerk is making fools of people, either the traumatized "models" or the gullible who buy his shit promoting real abuse.
These people want to give their money to a smartass who either really tortured victims and/or is laughing all the way to the bank at their expense/s, thinking they're fools...? Oh well.

Quite right. I have a saying that goes, "The price of stupidity is XXX dollars". I usually utter it whenever I, natch, do something stupid that costs me money. Like the time I broke a small piece on my rearview mirror trying to fix it and had to get the entire assembly replaced. "The price of stupidity is $400."

But your "stupidity" didn't cost you a 30+ ? minute torture session.
Most people would pay much more than $400.00 to avoid that if they could... if they can't handle & don't enjoy it...

If you break something, you expect to fix it. You don't expect to be taken advantage of physically in a maddening, excrutiating manner.
If it's real, and the model was bought off --- maybe he convinced her she'd never get anywhere legally --- it's still unacceptable.

(And I don't mean to infer you'd find it otherwise, I know better, I'm just speaking generally, as with rhiannon.)

If a model allowed herself to be placed in heavy stocks, as someone said --- that proves nothing,
any restraint is (iron-clad) if you can't get out of it, whether it's a handcuff or a scarf or a stock ---
She might've thought it was just a fetish shoot for bondage pictures - there are a lot of those here as well --
--- not for actual torture... ?
or maybe she expected something light for just 1-2 minutes for the benefit of the pictures....

Well, if it's real, if the asshole is jailed & the victim or the cops ever do look into the sales history, I'll be even more glad I never bought this shit 😀

 

[Babbles]

Ohhhh, so maybe he was jailed for that (too?) Stupid Criminal...twice over?

Some people want this; it's called 'edge play' in some circles. Just as there are real, actual sadists, there are real, actual masochists.

And, people will do all sorts of stuff they don't want to do for money. Or accept the $$ as compensation rather than go to the law. Not out of shame, but good old 'what can I get out of this?'

There may have been trickery involved. I'm against that. But to shoot 5 or 6videos via trickery, and then sell the evidence of these multiple felonies on an open (niche) market - and there's NO mention in the media at all of this - seems a little far fetched. Possible, but far fetched. Even the guy from "Back 40 Foot" who does use trickery has gotten attention from the mainstream news.

What really made people mad about this guy at the time was that he mailed unsolicited material to people's homes from the Tickling Paradise contact information. If I recall, the mail was NOT marked "sexually oriented" which, legally, it has to be. Even so, many people didn't want this kind of thing showing up at their homes, businesses, etc.

So he made a lot of people uncomfortable with his marketing methods, and may have violated federal law in the process. That's why there are still bad feelings about this feller.

Because something is marketed as non-con, and looks it, doesn't mean that it is. Even if limits are pushed (but not shattered). People play differently. Because of our different levels, somethings can look boring and tame, or horrifying.

(Thank you and please see my answer above, I would only repeat that here)
--- but I also appreciate the additional info that this dork was mailing porn unsolicited --- He's a prize ass**** from any angle.

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[asutickler]

What really made people mad about this guy at the time was that he mailed unsolicited material to people's homes from the Tickling Paradise contact information. If I recall, the mail was NOT marked "sexually oriented" which, legally, it has to be. Even so, many people didn't want this kind of thing showing up at their homes, businesses, etc.

I remember this incident, and it made me fucking furious... Still does, really. I was in college at the time, my mailing address was still my parents' house, and my father and I have the exact same name. We used to mistakenly open each other's mail all the time. That asshole may as well have sent a midget in a gimp mask along with a brass band wearing chaps to deliver a fucking fetish singing telegram.

 

[Phineas]

But your "stupidity" didn't cost you a 30+ ? minute torture session.
Most people would pay much more than $400.00 to avoid that if they could... if they can't handle & don't enjoy it...

If you break something, you expect to fix it. You don't expect to be taken advantage of physically in a maddening, excrutiating manner.
If it's real, and the model was bought off --- maybe he convinced her she'd never get anywhere legally --- it's still unacceptable.

Of course it's unacceptable. My point was, when I recognize that I do something stupid, I accept the fact that something bad happened to me as a result of that stupidity. In my own personal case, my stupidity tends to cost me money. In the case of a model who isn't very good at screening her job opportunities, she may wind up enduring shoots that aren't what she bargained for.

Yes, in an ideal world sick fetish creeps wouldn't make a game out of how far they could push people in order to indulge their jollies, but in the real world this sort of thing does happen, and any model with a lick of sense brings a chaperone to her shoots. Especially bondage shoots. Hopefully, those that don't wise up and start doing it after they endure a session like the one this thread is asking about. In such a case, "the price of stupidity is 30 minutes of tickle torture".

It's not right, but it is reality. Spend enough time on the TMF and it's not even surprising.

 

[rhiannon]

In the case of a model who isn't very good at screening her job opportunities, she may wind up enduring shoots that aren't what she bargained for.

This is why experienced models go to shoots with an escort! Never by themselves!

 

[Oddjob0226]

Of course it's unacceptable. My point was, when I recognize that I do something stupid, I accept the fact that something bad happened to me as a result of that stupidity. In my own personal case, my stupidity tends to cost me money. In the case of a model who isn't very good at screening her job opportunities, she may wind up enduring shoots that aren't what she bargained for.

And further, if the shooter's stupidity is that he pushed someone too far (especially intentionally) that model who agreed to $300 for an extreme shoot - for $500 might not go to the police after all. Her consent was breached; but she may find a second point of consent for both participants in which both win, or, at least, not lose.

 

[wildcatgrl]

And further, if the shooter's stupidity is that he pushed someone too far (especially intentionally) that model who agreed to $300 for an extreme shoot - for $500 might not go to the police after all. Her consent was breached; but she may find a second point of consent for both participants in which both win, or, at least, not lose.

good point, though its likely for a 30 min+ video, she would want more than 200 dollars extra to stay quiet.

 

[Merkle'sBoner]

But its gotta be real! The internet said so!

 

[ndj101982]

This argument has gone on forever. There are no videos being made and sold that are non-con. It is illegal and the producer would go to jail. People say, "well, for the right money the ticklee would keep it on the hush hush." BS!!! The victim would report it to the police, then sue the shit out of the perpertrator in a civil suit for psychological and physical damages.