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look all i am saying is
so what if the word ****** , fag , fags have been use
who gives a flying fuck
get over it
Fag in England is also a term used for cigarette, right?
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RANT: The "F" Word
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Fag in England is also a term used for cigarette, right?
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I still slip socially, from time to time, with the F word. But my gay friends know that I'm not like that. When I slip, it's usually in the heat of the moment.
In fact, the last time I used it, one of my best gay friends was sitting NEXT to me in the car I was driving when I screamed it (and other things) at the asshole driver of the SUV that had just cut across two lanes of traffic (at rush hour, near a mall, no less) to make an illegal u-turn. Even as it was bursting outta my mouth, I was like, "Ah, dammit" and I reached over and patted his shoulder and apologized, and he told me that he'd have probably said the exact same thing to the jerk. So it was all good.
It's the spirit that it's offered in that's really bad, not the word itself. Just like the N-word, or any other epithet that's biased that way.
LoLz! Actually, back in my Air Force days, this was part of the smoker's vocabulary. Out on the flight-line, you need to be very aware of potential fire hazards, with all the jet fuel and munitions all over. So if you were in the truck, and wanted to smoke, some of the guys would ask, "Cleared to burn a fag?" (in other words, "Is it safe to smoke where we are?") Needless to say, this never failed to garner a few laughs. Boyz will be boyz, after all. 🙄
In fact, the last time I used it, one of my best gay friends was sitting NEXT to me in the car I was driving when I screamed it (and other things) at the asshole driver of the SUV that had just cut across two lanes of traffic (at rush hour, near a mall, no less) to make an illegal u-turn. Even as it was bursting outta my mouth, I was like, "Ah, dammit" and I reached over and patted his shoulder and apologized, and he told me that he'd have probably said the exact same thing to the jerk. So it was all good.
It's the spirit that it's offered in that's really bad, not the word itself. Just like the N-word, or any other epithet that's biased that way.
LoLz! Actually, back in my Air Force days, this was part of the smoker's vocabulary. Out on the flight-line, you need to be very aware of potential fire hazards, with all the jet fuel and munitions all over. So if you were in the truck, and wanted to smoke, some of the guys would ask, "Cleared to burn a fag?" (in other words, "Is it safe to smoke where we are?") Needless to say, this never failed to garner a few laughs. Boyz will be boyz, after all. 🙄
Me too. I always say things like "I'm such a HOMO for Kimora Lee Simmons" (or whatever it is that I like) and my gay friends all know what I mean. They're not bothered at all. It's just my lingo.
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I'm not opposed to the word if you're using it messing around with friends but it's use here is always derogatory. Trust me. I'm an out butch lesbian... I have a sense of humor about everything because I have to. It just seems like there are many men on here who are big ol homophobes.
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oooooookay. Let's clear something up...
This thread is not condeming what you do amoung your friends and you. It's about being respectful of the gay community that is here. If you don't like */m... don't look at it. There's no need for you to get on the thread and call all the men fags.
This thread is not condeming what you do amoung your friends and you. It's about being respectful of the gay community that is here. If you don't like */m... don't look at it. There's no need for you to get on the thread and call all the men fags.
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A ****** is a bundle of sticks used as kindling. That was how ****** became slang for homosexual.
In the days of the Roman Empire and into medieval times, homosexuals were often burned at the stake. When the homosexual guys were getting smoked people would yell "faggots, faggots," meaning put more wood on the fire. So when a group of real men would see men they thought were less manly they would shout "faggots" at them, just for a joke (yeah, real funny that).
Interesting to note "******" and "fascist" have the same origins. The symbol of Mussolini's Italy was a bundle of sticks.
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Interesting point...why do so many people consider F/M to be gay? Are they fucking stupid? *sighs*...
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I personally detest the word, and while I cant say I've never used it in my life, I've not used it in adult life, except for one time. In Jr high and HS, the word was thrown around indiscriminantly, for no reason, because people wanted to be assholes. The one time I did use it, after age 18, was in college, to and about, another gay man, who was making unwanted sexual advances to me, and wouldnt stop. He was in a history class of mine, and virutally every day would come into class, and put his arm around me, making lewd comments about my ass, and how he "wanted me". I tried to politely brush him off, and not sit near him, or ignore him. Finally, one day, I got so frustrated, I was like "Get the fuck away from me, and stop advancing on me you "F word". If you want another "F word" thats fine, but I'm not gay!". I think I stunned him so much, that he finally stopped. This was after weeks and weeks of virtual harrassment by this guy. I wasnt proud of myself for using it, and havent ever used it since then, and that was 15 yrs ago. In a case of unwanted sexual harrassment, I doubt I'm the only one who would have used it.
It would be naive to think we can stop all hate, because we cant. We cant control what goes on in others minds, but it would be more civilized if people refrained from posting such words on a public forum, unless they are using it as the British slang for a cigarette.
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It would be naive to think we can stop all hate, because we cant. We cant control what goes on in others minds, but it would be more civilized if people refrained from posting such words on a public forum, unless they are using it as the British slang for a cigarette.
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I don't think anyone mentioned that "fag" also refers to an arduous task, or a cigarette. Both of those are chiefly British, and we know that a lot of our members are that.
If we're judging our intolerance based on the number of search results, let's be aware that the person who started this thread has contributed one to each of the three searches.
The "actual" f-word appears far more often in searches, and typical words like "kitchen" far more still. Those ratios seem about right from my perspective.
If we're judging our intolerance based on the number of search results, let's be aware that the person who started this thread has contributed one to each of the three searches.
The "actual" f-word appears far more often in searches, and typical words like "kitchen" far more still. Those ratios seem about right from my perspective.
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Yes. I know that is has another meaning and it was discussed in this thread. Please... go find me one place where is used in the British meaning. And, if you sift through and see that anytime I used it, I was responding to someone elses use of the word. The searches give you the threads, not the idividual posts.
My goal with this post was to make people aware of it because there is no reason to for those who do chose to discriminate, to do so on this forum.
Well, I agree with you about the homophobe thing and it's a shame IRL too. But, I also have a lot of guy pals here who aren't threatened at all by a gay man. And I didn't do the search and look for my name in any of the threads but I'm 100% sure that if I did, all you'd find me chipping in was to chew out any a-hole who used it to hurt someone who was gay.
Actually, I don't know that I've actually used the "f-word" ever and if I did it would have been to piss off someone straight. Just to be honery and get a reaction, yanno. Cuz sometimes I'm evil like that. 😛
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Actually, I don't know that I've actually used the "f-word" ever and if I did it would have been to piss off someone straight. Just to be honery and get a reaction, yanno. Cuz sometimes I'm evil like that. 😛
XOXO
Examining the 77 threads...
I think that raising people's awareness about certain terms is a great thing to do. I've learned that there was a time when women (who would later become the "feminists") brought people's attention to the idea that phrases like "one man, one vote" played objectionably on the sensitivities of half the human race. If there is any apparent discrimination here, I think it's mainly because the word "fag" is used with obliviousness to its offensive nature. Some people use it as crude humour. Some people merely quote other people.
I wanted to get a little deeper into the amount of actual discrimination, so I searched for the 77 threads that contained the word "fag" and tried to categorize the nature of the word's use in them. Here's what I found:
29 threads used "fag" to mean "gay person" in principle, but not directed toward any particular person or group of people (for example, "people will think you're a fag"). These may be taken as derogatory in principle, but they're certainly not direct attacks.
In 20 threads, the word "fag" was used to mean "gay person" specifically in quoting a use of the word in a situation that took place outside the forum, or in fiction (for example, "I was walking with my friend, and someone called him a fag"). We should consider neither citation or fiction as discriminatory on the part of the writer.
Three of the threads used "fag" in a derogatory manner to refer to someone <I>not</I> known to be gay (like Bill Clinton). These are obviously not serious accusations of homosexuality, but they might be seen as derogatory to the principle because of the use of a word which normally means "gay" to mean "bad."
In 12 threads, the word "fag" was used only to identify it as the word being commented on (as in, "the word 'fag' shouldn't be used in a discriminatory sense").
Seven of the 77 threads used the word "fag" to mean "cigarette."
The remaining two threads actually did include the use of the word "fag" to refer to a person or group of people because they were gay. One use was part of a hypothesis that someone was "either a homophobe or a closet fag," and the other was part of the expression "very cute, very ticklish fag hag," which-- while I've certainly never heard that expression-- doesn't sound like it was intended to insult.
After going through the threads myself, I'm convinced that the amount of intentional discrimination on the forum regarding this word is trivial. However, I hope that if there is even one person who was unaware that the word "fag" really hurts some people when it's fired at them, that they'll feel prompted to use it more carefully. The discussion is valuable regarding any similar term if it helps us understand each other better. As far as this community, I think we do on this point.
I think that raising people's awareness about certain terms is a great thing to do. I've learned that there was a time when women (who would later become the "feminists") brought people's attention to the idea that phrases like "one man, one vote" played objectionably on the sensitivities of half the human race. If there is any apparent discrimination here, I think it's mainly because the word "fag" is used with obliviousness to its offensive nature. Some people use it as crude humour. Some people merely quote other people.
I wanted to get a little deeper into the amount of actual discrimination, so I searched for the 77 threads that contained the word "fag" and tried to categorize the nature of the word's use in them. Here's what I found:
29 threads used "fag" to mean "gay person" in principle, but not directed toward any particular person or group of people (for example, "people will think you're a fag"). These may be taken as derogatory in principle, but they're certainly not direct attacks.
In 20 threads, the word "fag" was used to mean "gay person" specifically in quoting a use of the word in a situation that took place outside the forum, or in fiction (for example, "I was walking with my friend, and someone called him a fag"). We should consider neither citation or fiction as discriminatory on the part of the writer.
Three of the threads used "fag" in a derogatory manner to refer to someone <I>not</I> known to be gay (like Bill Clinton). These are obviously not serious accusations of homosexuality, but they might be seen as derogatory to the principle because of the use of a word which normally means "gay" to mean "bad."
In 12 threads, the word "fag" was used only to identify it as the word being commented on (as in, "the word 'fag' shouldn't be used in a discriminatory sense").
Seven of the 77 threads used the word "fag" to mean "cigarette."
The remaining two threads actually did include the use of the word "fag" to refer to a person or group of people because they were gay. One use was part of a hypothesis that someone was "either a homophobe or a closet fag," and the other was part of the expression "very cute, very ticklish fag hag," which-- while I've certainly never heard that expression-- doesn't sound like it was intended to insult.
After going through the threads myself, I'm convinced that the amount of intentional discrimination on the forum regarding this word is trivial. However, I hope that if there is even one person who was unaware that the word "fag" really hurts some people when it's fired at them, that they'll feel prompted to use it more carefully. The discussion is valuable regarding any similar term if it helps us understand each other better. As far as this community, I think we do on this point.
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Pouring Oil on Troubled Fire...
My views on male casting directors are well known. Meanwhile, try the following English term:
****** (food)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A ****** is a kind of meatball, a traditional dish in the UK, especially the southwest of England and Wales. It is made from meat off-cuts and offal, especially pork. A ****** is traditionally made from pig heart, liver and fatty belly meat or bacon minced together, with herbs added for flavouring and sometimes breadcrumbs. The mixture is shaped in the hand into balls, wrapped round with caul (the amniotic sac), and baked. A similar dish, almôndega, is traditional in Portugal.
The first use in print cited in the OED is in 1851, from Thomas Mayhew, although this appears to be a calzone- or pasty-like dish, with an outer wrapper of caul, covering a filling of mixed pork offal. This was in London.
The dish saw its greatest popularity with the rationing during World War II but has become less popular in recent years. Faggots are usually homemade and are to be found in traditional butchers' shops and market stalls.
A popular dish is "faggots and peas," which is often served with gravy. The ****** and pea batch is a common post-pub snack in the West Midlands. Faggots are also known as "ducks" in Yorkshire and Lancashire, often as "savoury ducks". "In Leigh market in 1905 you could buy a savoury duck rolled up in an oatmeal cake."
Mr Brain's Faggots:
The best-known commercial brand is Mr Brain's Faggots, a frozen food product available in Britain and Ireland, which is made of liver and onions rolled into meatballs and served in a sauce. These faggots differ significantly from the traditional recipe.
Pictures of the product are a popular joke in some Western countries due to additional meanings of the name. Faggots were used as the subject of an infamous 2004 radio advert by the UK supermarket chain Somerfield. The commercial featured a husband challenging his wife's repetitive routine of a set meal for each day of the week. While he wanted lasagne, he was told that, as it was Friday, he was to have faggots. He responded: "I've nothing against faggots, I just don't fancy them."
This advert was subsequently deemed to have breached the rules on Good Taste, Decency and Offence to Public Feeling of the Advertising and Sponsorship Code, and was banned from future re-broadcast by the industry regulator, Ofcom
My views on male casting directors are well known. Meanwhile, try the following English term:
****** (food)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A ****** is a kind of meatball, a traditional dish in the UK, especially the southwest of England and Wales. It is made from meat off-cuts and offal, especially pork. A ****** is traditionally made from pig heart, liver and fatty belly meat or bacon minced together, with herbs added for flavouring and sometimes breadcrumbs. The mixture is shaped in the hand into balls, wrapped round with caul (the amniotic sac), and baked. A similar dish, almôndega, is traditional in Portugal.
The first use in print cited in the OED is in 1851, from Thomas Mayhew, although this appears to be a calzone- or pasty-like dish, with an outer wrapper of caul, covering a filling of mixed pork offal. This was in London.
The dish saw its greatest popularity with the rationing during World War II but has become less popular in recent years. Faggots are usually homemade and are to be found in traditional butchers' shops and market stalls.
A popular dish is "faggots and peas," which is often served with gravy. The ****** and pea batch is a common post-pub snack in the West Midlands. Faggots are also known as "ducks" in Yorkshire and Lancashire, often as "savoury ducks". "In Leigh market in 1905 you could buy a savoury duck rolled up in an oatmeal cake."
Mr Brain's Faggots:
The best-known commercial brand is Mr Brain's Faggots, a frozen food product available in Britain and Ireland, which is made of liver and onions rolled into meatballs and served in a sauce. These faggots differ significantly from the traditional recipe.
Pictures of the product are a popular joke in some Western countries due to additional meanings of the name. Faggots were used as the subject of an infamous 2004 radio advert by the UK supermarket chain Somerfield. The commercial featured a husband challenging his wife's repetitive routine of a set meal for each day of the week. While he wanted lasagne, he was told that, as it was Friday, he was to have faggots. He responded: "I've nothing against faggots, I just don't fancy them."
This advert was subsequently deemed to have breached the rules on Good Taste, Decency and Offence to Public Feeling of the Advertising and Sponsorship Code, and was banned from future re-broadcast by the industry regulator, Ofcom
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I too, like Coda, did a search for posts including the word "fag" and found 124 of them.
I haven't really gone as far as counting how many of them belongs to each cathegory
but basically they're used in stories, where it helps to describe a person's way of being (if he's
a user of the word "fag" he fits into a certain group of people). It is also used as a
synonym to the word "cigarette".
I also found that many of the posts that contain the word "fag" are discussing how wrong
it actually is to use that word about someone and/or whether it's ok for a homosexual
male to use it to describe himself or others, just because he belongs to the group.
It's also often compared to the N-word.
I've of course found posts where the term was used as a direct insult, not towards
any user here though, but to people like Justing Timberlake, Francis Ford Coppola,
Britney Spears, some Davey - famous people, in other words.
Last, but not least, I found someone who used the word "fag" when he actually
meant "flag". Shit happens, right?
I haven't really gone as far as counting how many of them belongs to each cathegory
but basically they're used in stories, where it helps to describe a person's way of being (if he's
a user of the word "fag" he fits into a certain group of people). It is also used as a
synonym to the word "cigarette".
I also found that many of the posts that contain the word "fag" are discussing how wrong
it actually is to use that word about someone and/or whether it's ok for a homosexual
male to use it to describe himself or others, just because he belongs to the group.
It's also often compared to the N-word.
I've of course found posts where the term was used as a direct insult, not towards
any user here though, but to people like Justing Timberlake, Francis Ford Coppola,
Britney Spears, some Davey - famous people, in other words.
Last, but not least, I found someone who used the word "fag" when he actually
meant "flag". Shit happens, right?
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RUNOFFFFFF said:
Hell yeah. That's like a big debate and a half right there, man.
Whether or not it's OK that other's in their "sect" can use it, but why other's outside cannot.
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As one of the homosexual members here, I may be in the minority when I say this, but I personally detest any remark meant to hurt a member of any group. I have never referred to me, my boyfriend or any of my gay friends as a ******. I find it ignorant and insulting to any civil person's intelligence.
I understand that some would like to take back the word, much as African Americans have taken back certain words hurtful to them. My big question to that is...why? In this enlightened age (hardly what I would call enlightened, but in retrospect, moreso than past eras) would anyone wish to keep these racist, sexist, homophobic and any other harmful phrases in the public lexicon? Now I'm not advocating a ban on these words, by any means, I just can not for the life of me understand why anyone, be they gay or straight would want to demean a fellow human being in such a manner?
Let me come at it from another viewpoint. I have noticed that we have a lot of Christian members here. Know what would happen if I were to waltz around, calling them culture-stealing, murdering, brainwashed hypocritical bigots? I'd be run out of here on a rail, tarred and feathered as well. Now for those of you who know me, they know there's no love lost between me and the Christian community for the most part, but as much as I dislike the religion, I would never willingly attempt to demean them in the way certain members here feel the need to insult gays. I still my tongue against the things I dislike about it and instead focus on the positive, such as all my good friends I have who happen to be Christians, that have shown the gay community more love and support than most others I know. I know this must sound like a pretty weak, rambling analogy, and for that I apologize; 43 hours without sleep does that to you hehe.
In any event, there lies my two coppers. It may not make for the best watercooler discussion, but I asked the questions I needed to ask, and said the things I needed to say.
I understand that some would like to take back the word, much as African Americans have taken back certain words hurtful to them. My big question to that is...why? In this enlightened age (hardly what I would call enlightened, but in retrospect, moreso than past eras) would anyone wish to keep these racist, sexist, homophobic and any other harmful phrases in the public lexicon? Now I'm not advocating a ban on these words, by any means, I just can not for the life of me understand why anyone, be they gay or straight would want to demean a fellow human being in such a manner?
Let me come at it from another viewpoint. I have noticed that we have a lot of Christian members here. Know what would happen if I were to waltz around, calling them culture-stealing, murdering, brainwashed hypocritical bigots? I'd be run out of here on a rail, tarred and feathered as well. Now for those of you who know me, they know there's no love lost between me and the Christian community for the most part, but as much as I dislike the religion, I would never willingly attempt to demean them in the way certain members here feel the need to insult gays. I still my tongue against the things I dislike about it and instead focus on the positive, such as all my good friends I have who happen to be Christians, that have shown the gay community more love and support than most others I know. I know this must sound like a pretty weak, rambling analogy, and for that I apologize; 43 hours without sleep does that to you hehe.
In any event, there lies my two coppers. It may not make for the best watercooler discussion, but I asked the questions I needed to ask, and said the things I needed to say.
