rutgers student jumps to death after sexual encounter broadcast

[mabus]

Well, here's who they are, and what they look like - everyone's keeps talking about them getting their just desserts, but no one's even named them yet......

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/nyregion/30suicide.html?_r=1&hp

 

[kis123]

I think you're a little too focused on revenge.

While it is true that the offenders can rebuild their lives after the sentencing, no amount of punishment will bring back their victim.

Rationally, the best case scenario in this is that the offenders will learn from their punishment and shame, but making their punishment unreasonably long seems nothing more than vindictive.

No I think you're wrong; I'm not focused on revenge. I'm focused on justice and some sense of people being responsible and accountable for their actions.

I don't care about how long they serve time for what they did as long as they serve. No amount of jail time will change the victim's fate. I'm actually more concerned about what happens to Rutgers than the actual students. All of them knew better!

Try not to lump me in with the rest of the blood wanters please?

 

[NonConRon]

And you can tell him I said he can kiss grits!

FLO!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B-Hutq3uB5E/TGVuSVT4m8I/AAAAAAAAAXI/KDjLfS7_U48/s1600/flo.jpg

 

[MrMacphisto]

No I think you're wrong; I'm not focused on revenge. I'm focused on justice and some sense of people being responsible and accountable for their actions.

I don't care about how long they serve time for what they did as long as they serve. No amount of jail time will change the victim's fate. I'm actually more concerned about what happens to Rutgers than the actual students. All of them knew better!

Try not to lump me in with the rest of the blood wanters please?

But you've already said that you don't care about how long they serve. A disregard for proportional punishment to the crime is more or less a sign of vindictiveness. When people say they want justice, they most often are mistaking it for vengeance.

Justice is making sure the punishment fits the crime as compared to punishments for other crimes.

I believe Rutgers is legally liable for not being proactive about this, but the amount they are sued should also be reasonable.

 

[kis123]

But you've already said that you don't care about how long they serve. A disregard for proportional punishment to the crime is more or less a sign of vindictiveness. When people say they want justice, they most often are mistaking it for vengeance.

Justice is making sure the punishment fits the crime as compared to punishments for other crimes.

I believe Rutgers is legally liable for not being proactive about this, but the amount they are sued should also be reasonable.

Again, I say you are wrong.

I don't care how much time they serve just as long as they are punished for what they did. There are people who ran drugs who got bad deals in jail and drunk drivers who got good deals. I'm not on the jury and it's not my responsibility how much time someone gets for committing a crime. My only objective is that they are punished because their actions caused a death (indirectly of course, but nonetheless). They're lucky the man committed suicide and not a multiple homicide followed by a suicide.

Again don't lump me in with the pound-of-flesh group okay?

 

[kis123]

Well, here's who they are, and what they look like - everyone's keeps talking about them getting their just desserts, but no one's even named them yet......

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/nyregion/30suicide.html?_r=1&hp

Their photos have been on the news for at least two days now; I'm not sure what you're talking about.

They deserve the same compassion and empathy they afforded Mr Clementi IMO......maybe even less.

But they were young and did a very stupid thing; hopefully they fully understand what their actions caused and deal with whatever the court system hands them. Bet they won't do it again.........

 

[Doubledutch]

You said it perfectly, the way I see it a weak link removed himself from society and now the genetic strain of the human race is stronger for it.

Fecal matter...from what seems to be a likely source.

 

[NonConRon]

If the students didn't tape the man having sex then humiliating him with it, he wouldn't have killed himself.

If the school would've responded appropriately instead of turning their backs and offering the young man no support, then he wouldn't have killed himself.

So you're saying it's everyone's fault except his.
Cause and effect.
Sorry, KISS, I don't buy it.

Whether you like it or not, we are all accountable for our own actions regardless of the circumstances, and I believe there is never a good reason for suicide.

He jumped. He wasn't pushed.

 

[kis123]

So you're saying it's everyone's fault except his.
Cause and effect.
Sorry, KISS, I don't buy it.

Whether you like it or not, we are all accountable for our own actions regardless of the circumstances, and I believe there is never a good reason for suicide.

He jumped. He wasn't pushed.

Yes, he was pushed mentally and emotionally. He lost hope and gave up; yes he made the decision to do so, but don't you dare say he wasn't pushed at some level. You're being ignorant to the emotional effects and sticking with so-called facts. Facts don't breathe, sleep, eat, or have sex--people do. Faulty imperfect human beings make life or death decisions everyday. If you can't get with that then you are definitely no one I choose to have an intelligent dialogue with.

I have absolutely no interest in engaging with you beyond this point. You are void of reason, compassion, or empathy for the young man in question or the circumstances that led to his demise. You are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am to vehimently disagree with you.

I'm just glad it didn't happen to either of my children and my thoughts go out to the families of all involved. No one won with this one.....no one.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I don't think anyone's defending what these people did to this student, but I think it's reasonable to take a step back and ask if these people really thought this guy would kill himself as a result.

I honestly don't think they did. It doesn't excuse what they did, but it seems like certain people are treating this like the student's suicide was tantamount to premeditated murder on the part of the "outers."

Phil Specter claimed he didn't think the gun was loaded either, so I guess we should let him out.

 

[SlaverTickler]

You said it perfectly, the way I see it a weak link removed himself from society and now the genetic strain of the human race is stronger for it.

You know, my grandfather used to get medals for running over people like you with his tank during World War II. Anyway I am sure you and Mel Gibson have allot of catching up to do, don't forget to bring your white sheets, ropes, and marshmallow's for roasting over that burning cross.

Seek hail, seek hail, seek hail!

 

[Driver Ed]

Yes, he was pushed mentally and emotionally. He lost hope and gave up; yes he made the decision to do so, but don't you dare say he wasn't pushed at some level.

I'm pretty sure Ron was saying that the jumper wasn't pushed off the bridge. Which is true. Nobody pushed him off the bridge. He made a conscious decision to end his life.

To me, I don't find it all that tragic. And no, my lack of indignant outrage has nothing to do with his sexual preference. I just feel that if somebody wants to leave this world behind, who are we to deny him?

 

[SlaverTickler]

I'm pretty sure Ron was saying that the jumper wasn't pushed off the bridge. Which is true. Nobody pushed him off the bridge. He made a conscious decision to end his life.

To me, I don't find it all that tragic. And no, my lack of indignant outrage has nothing to do with his sexual preference. I just feel that if somebody wants to leave this world behind, who are we to deny him?

I would agree if you were talking about somebody who was suffering in a way that couldn't be helped. If somebody gets sick, even through there own actions (cancer and/or aids lets say) and the choose to end there life because they are in allot of pain, or because they don't watch their family to watch them waist away, that I could get. However this was a kid who for all intense and purposes was probably pretty healthy physically. It wasn't until the punks at the school filmed him having sexy, being sexual in some way with another male. They humiliated him so badly t hat he couldn't deal with it physiological. They might as well have thrown him off the balcony of the school.

He should have gone Columbine on that fucking school, if he was going to off himself anyway, with a little more precision of course. Mainly the kids who did it, and the administrators who failed to protect him.

 

[NonConRon]

I have absolutely no interest in engaging with you beyond this point. You are void of reason, compassion, or empathy for the young man in question or the circumstances that led to his demise. You are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am to vehimently disagree with you.

That's the last straw. I going to jump off the highest bridge I can find.
I hope you go to jail for this, KISS.

 

[NonConRon]

He should have gone Columbine on that fucking school, if he was going to off himself anyway, with a little more precision of course. Mainly the kids who did it, and the administrators who failed to protect him.

This is some real solid advice from a well-adjusted individual.

You are a clinical psychiatrist's wet dream.

 

[SlaverTickler]

This is some real solid advice from a well-adjusted individual.

You are a clinical psychiatrist's wet dream.

Won't work, my ansestory is Irish, and as Feud says "This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." So fuck off.

 

[Bohemianne]

I just feel that if somebody wants to leave this world behind, who are we to deny him?

Nothing. A person who contemplates such choice keep it as his personal undisclosed business. The loved ones only discover it after.

The power to choose always rules. None of the arrogant sh!t can ever hurt anyone who doesn't want to get hurt further. It is a big biological defense mechanism. So he jumped off the bridge without anyone messing it up for him. Freewill, amigo.

-o0o-

On the side matters:

“Tyler was a fine young man, and a distinguished musician,” the statement read. “The family is heartbroken beyond words.”

-o0o-

"For several centuries, stories of famous painters, writers and musicians who were depressed and took their lives made people wonder. Only in the last 25 years has scientific evidence demonstrated that creative people are more vulnerable to depression and suicide, regardless of whether or not they become famous."

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewpage&page_id=050CDCA2-C158-FBAC-16ACCE9DC8B7026C. <<< Browse and take the last part of the article.

 

[2000 Man]

Won't work, my ansestory is Irish, and as Feud says "This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." So fuck off.

"Feud"?!

Was that a Feudian slip?!

 

[Babbles]

They knew they were likely destroying his life -- everyone who'd google him would see

The question might be, how many trolls (or maybe it's all the same one, they write the same way & conveniently back each other up... )
....does it take to point out a clever typo? But back on topic ---

If you do something you KNOW will make someone INCREDIBLY miserable and might follow them for YEARS, possibly interfering with their life in many aspects, including perhaps even employment,

you therefore know you're doing such significant damage to the person as to make their lives literally unbearable ----

Even if that doesn't drive them to kill themselves, you're screwing with their life and causing a lot of harm and a TON of STRESS which is actually
another killer -----

These intelligent bastards knew they were inflicting severe cruel & unusual punishment which could circulate for the REST OF THIS YOUNG MAN'S LIFE

---- it's not a huge stretch to say they were knowingly destroying him,
they just didn't expect it to occur so quickly and absolutely
or to find their faces and names plastered all over the news right next to his....

They sentenced him to a lifetime of ridicule and put his most private interactions up for the world to watch ---- That's HUGE DAMAGE -----

Once his "sex tape" is out it's PERMANENT and it's IMMEDIATELY GLOBAL -----

he'd never get away from it,
every employer could maybe Google his name and get ----- Homosexual sex ----- Many won't tolerate hetero sex publicized, forget homosexual acts ----- It could hurt his employment ----

This could have obviously greatly subtracted from his quality of life at the very least (in a homophobic world especially...)

They set out to destroy his life for kicks, and just didn't get to torment him as long as they anticipated.

It's not "vengeance" either ---- It's not even CLOSE to justice for what these cowardly little bastards did/would have done to him ----- and who knows how many others.

They --- and others like them --- NEED to be made an example of NOW to stop this shit from continuing and ---- just serving a fraction of the sentence they would've forced upon him. Five years doesn't even approach...

Thankfully at least we all now know who they are.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Phil Specter claimed he didn't think the gun was loaded either, so I guess we should let him out.

Thank you for that accurate analogy...

 

[SlaverTickler]

Thank you for that accurate analogy...

You're welcome.

 

[love feet]

Please explain to me how a school can be held responsible for something that as of the guys death hadn't been REPORTED TO THEM. I'm not gonna shed any tears for a dead homo but the individuals should be punished, not the school. How was the school to know the guys room mate had planted a camera? They have no way of knowing and kis by Ohio Law you're not responsible for a drug haven until someone reports it to you as such.

Sorry, Rutgers is not responsible and to say otherwise is pure liberal crap.

it happened on there property
& he did try to make a report!!