Should any underage material be allowed on the Theater?

[Cybertickler]

And yet the "no"'s are trailing behind at the moment - is this the sort of poll result you were expecting, ViperGTS19801?

It's a poll, not a competition.

If I expected a specific result, I wouldn't have posted a poll. Having an expectation means that you already have made up your mind about a certain group of people. Though I've had my assumptions and such, I was simply curious as to what the general consensus would be.

However, this does not affect my opinion of your work - it doesn't belong on an adult fetish website.

I only had to look about six posts down in the artwork subforum to find something distinctly disturbing:

http://www.tickletheater.com/showthread.php?t=33256


If nobody wants to see pedophilic material on this site, then why on Earth is this sort of thing allowed? Is anyone going to argue that the art in the thread linked above does not depict minors engaging in an overtly sexual activity?

That's actually the post that made me want to post this poll.

Please, will someone, anyone tell me the last time they saw a 12 year old boy licking and sucking on a 12 year old girl's foot?

That's the kind of intermingling of overt sexual activity and minor (< 18) content that doesn't belong anywhere but in a user's private collection. Share that shit in PM or something.

 

[asutickler1]

While this sort of thing isn't illegal in the United States, it certainly is in Canada. I did a bit of research, and apparently Section 163.1 of the Canadian Criminal Code defines images depicting minors in sexual situations as child porn, without regard to the method of creation used (photography, drawing, etc). According to the Anime News Network site, someone from Canada has already been convicted for possession of such material: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-10-20/canadian-sentenced-over-loli-porn-manga

 

[footamateur]

I wonder why people continue to be surprised; we always had tickling stuff that show young girls tickled (something like the entire jap anime scene is full of that); I would agree that one thing is tickling, another is licking a foot, that cannot be misunderstood since is not somehting that childrens does very often between each others (they tickle each others instead)

That could be interpreted as child porn, but would be easy to say taht the style doesn't reflect the real age, so we could say taht these boys and girl are 17 and the situation return to a normal point of view and nobody else complain🙂 that's teh reason why these images are somehow approved by the mods.

ASU: everywhere you go you will find laws that say teh same thing; the problem is that some countries interpretate it in a way (the genital must be show, the act must depict a evident sexiual act), while others consider it not in the same way; and anyway we are not lawyer, nor the moderators are, but they are aware of what they can put on their forum since they know the laws of their country, and for who doesn't know it, teh laws applied to a site are related to the place where the server is, so if the server is in Zimbawe, where everything is normal, is not illegal whatever is legal in Zimbawe since the server is there; adn if a user from another country doesn't like the contents can simply stop to watch it 😉

 

[Kalamos]

Breezing through posts, I'd say I find Koopa's stance a bit worrying.
Why are you paying an artist to draw all those comics anyway?
It looks almost like you were more interested in scandalising people, than anything else.

Besides, an anonymous poll is completely pointless.
Who's voting what? Unknown lurkers or contributing members?
Who's shaping our community anyway?

...

Besides, TMF banned kid toons of any kind.
I understand freedom of expression, and keeping members happy lest they leave.
But we must weigh pros and cons.

I know what would make ppl happy: give them passwords, commercial vids and freebies.
They'll love you.
And TTC will close in a week.

Maybe it is not broken, but give a check to the cogs, just to be sure.
You might discover some valuable member left overnight, and you were too busy keeping lurkers happy to notice.

 

[Zeratul1]

Rather than allowing them to satisfy their quasi-pedophilic desires by posting and viewing images and videos of "non-real" children, we should be encouraging them to seek out help in coping with and eliminating their compulsion to view sexual or fetish material that involves children.

I like lolicon and other forms of drawn pornography involving minors.

I have never and would never engage in any sort of sexual conduct with a child. Even in a hypothetical situation when the opportunity was right there in front of me and I knew I wouldn't be caught, I still wouldn't.

You see, I'd like to think that most people out there are capable of keeping their fantasies in fantasyland where they belong.

Those who aren't capable of keeping their desires in check will wind up indulging their fantasies either through illegal imagery involving actual children, or even through actual children themselves. Punishment will be handed out accordingly to those people.

Because, you see, we live in a society where people being tried for crimes are to be considered innocent until proven guilty.

Really, I'd like to know who you think you are telling me how to think and feel, and who you are determining what I will and won't do based on what I look at? Who are you to tell me I need help?

 

[footamateur]

I agree that a poll that doesn't show the names is basically not useful, but i think taht the reason of the poll was not to lauch a crusade against material related to YG, but something to know what people think about this kind of material in general on this board.

Everybody likes something, and everybody can do and think in teh way taht he/she prefer, and since here the rules are pretty strict (not like TMF, thank god) there is no reason to start a war based on ideologies.

Zeratul make a good point: everybodyy like something, as i said before, adn many times the fantasy remain fantasy, because many times is better to imagine some thingts taht do them in person.....because doing them could simply show that they was not so cool or interesting like they look, after all.

This is one of these threads that start fire as soon as they are released because many doesn't know how to comunicate and discuss in a rational and calm way; somehow like talking about religions or war or money....to talk about this stuff is necessary to be ready to listen something taht we don't like, and also trying to understand what is the reasoning of the others.

Otherwise simply delete or lock the post saying "we don't approve it" or "we approve it" 🙂

 

[Cybertickler]

So you think that because you won't ever act on it, fantasizing about underage pornography is still okay?

So then, using that logic, if someone gets a stiffy when thinking about beating a woman to a bloody pulp, despite her screams for help and the sounds of her bones breaking, it's ok if they don't ever intend to act that fantasy out?

Just wondering.

 

[Zeratul1]

So you think that because you won't ever act on it, fantasizing about underage pornography is still okay?

So then, using that logic, if someone gets a stiffy when thinking about beating a woman to a bloody pulp, despite her screams for help and the sounds of her bones breaking, it's ok if they don't ever intend to act that fantasy out?

Just wondering.

Yes, I do.

 

[Cybertickler]

Well, child lovers need someplace to feel safe too, I guess.

Who am I to judge.

 

[footamateur]

Viper: I was not talking about child porn, i was talking about fantasies that run in the mind of every single person, that are things that stay private many times forever, even to the parents or to the wife/gf.

I wonder to be able to have ashootgun on the highway and kill all teh people that run in the carpool lane and they are alone in the car, while i stay in the regular lane in line....but i don't do it, ebcause is a fantasy taht i have in a certain moment od the day; otherwise would go in jail; and isnce i know what is good and what is bad i don't do it; buyt nobody said that i can't imagine a carnage with all these SOAB LOL

 

[Cybertickler]

Right, but the difference between you and certain other folks is that you know that blowing someone away for stupidity is wrong. Some people think acts like that are okay, and they enjoy those thoughts. That's what's so disturbing.

 

[Zeratul1]

As I said before, the basis of the American legal system is innocent until proven guilty.

 

[footamateur]

well, that's why people are free to think whatever tehy want...then they take tehir consequences in the moment that they move from teh dream to the real world.

Otherwise if everybody woudld realize before the consequences we would not ahve crimes anymore 🙂

Zerathul: the fact that the US laws gives that kind of priviledge doesn't mean that you would find yourself in a situation of use it , right? people taht was in Jail can tell you how bad it is, and many people that was considering themselves untouchables cried a lot once that they discovered tha tthey are common peopole that can go to jail...you can think wahtever you like, but this doesn't mean that you must put your "sexual preferences" everywhere 🙂

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Thank you for posting this poll, Viper. 🙂

I think its important that we have these conversations, polls, and debates continually, throughout time, even if the same things are just being said over and over again. Dialogue of this nature is very important. It displays that everyone has a conscience on the matter and that its renewned and defined, and is never allowed to settle, weaken, and become complacent with the status quos of day to day internet activity.

I definitely have an opinion and may share it later, depending on how the current participants carry the discussion. I haven't voted, either. Both voting options are one-sided and represent an extreme of both cases.

 

[Zeratul1]

Zerathul: the fact that the US laws gives that kind of priviledge doesn't mean that you would find yourself in a situation of use it , right? people taht was in Jail can tell you how bad it is, and many people that was considering themselves untouchables cried a lot once that they discovered tha tthey are common peopole that can go to jail...you can think wahtever you like, but this doesn't mean that you must put your "sexual preferences" everywhere 🙂

Innocent until proven guilty isn't a privilege. It's a right that belongs to everyone who lives in a free country such as mine, and a law that SHOULD extend across the world.

But yeah, ultimately, people are responsible for their own actions (not thoughts, actions). If you commit such a horrendous act as to harm a child sexually, you deserve the worst.

 

[Betchass1]

So then, using that logic, if someone gets a stiffy when thinking about beating a woman to a bloody pulp, despite her screams for help and the sounds of her bones breaking, it's ok if they don't ever intend to act that fantasy out?

Give them the Clockwork Orange treatment. Then give it to the entire human race. Brutality is far older than civilization, and it's just a fact that we seek out violence. That's just not going to change.
Would you censor all the violent video games and movies? The people playing/watching them are just like the guy with the stiffy except that they pretend it's someone else doing the beating, and he pretends it's himself. Take the NFL and the WWF away from America completely and see how the public reacts. If it's the urge that's not okay, then frontal lobotomies should be performed at birth.

 

[Betchass1]

Better ban this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyricon

 

[Betchass1]

I actually have a problem with the word 'fetish', but this is really the only community I can go to where I can indulge in my feet tickling interest without being flamed. I mean, if I was to go to a Michael J Fox message board - and talk about tickling his feet there, I would most likely be flamed for it. There might be other MJF fans who would love to tickle him (on his feet or elsewhere) - but most would probably consider it to be 'weird', 'silly', or 'bizarre' - and wouldn't tolerate that kind of discussion on the board. So that's that! There really should be a community for those with a non-sexual tickling interest.

GIVE ME... A KEG... OF BEER.

do anything for you? 😉

 

[Journia]

ah...the satyricon by petronius arbiter....
read it...
got bored by it.

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

I gave the topic a "No" nod, but that's a swing vote when it comes to midgets.

...


Questions abound, though.

For instance:

This IS an adult site, and things WILL venture into threads with titles like FORCED ORGASM WHILE TICKLED. I don't like the idea that underaged people can just wander in here and listen to our collective whateveryouwannacallit. So, minors(and you know who you are), please stop reading and go dream of sheep or something.


I don't know where a site has to draw the final line, though, and pretty much leave things up to the moderator's best judgement.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

A good question to ask one's self is if you're truely satisfied with the way things are and what it is you really want in the end objective. In this case, I think both sides want the same thing in the end: to be comfortable here.

 

[OriamRepus1]

So you think that because you won't ever act on it, fantasizing about underage pornography is still okay?

So then, using that logic, if someone gets a stiffy when thinking about beating a woman to a bloody pulp, despite her screams for help and the sounds of her bones breaking, it's ok if they don't ever intend to act that fantasy out?

Just wondering.

Why wouldn't it be okay? If you want to fantasize about naked underage children, or gouging out eyeballs and having sex with the sockets...Who is anyone else to stop you? Nobody gets hurt when it's only in your mind. And until some MIND POWERZ start blowing stuff up, we need not worry about what that guy over there is thinking to cause that creepy smile.

If you're a pedophile, that's great, whatever. As long as you aren't harming children, I don't care what you do. Better them have wild fantasies than go out raping kids on school grounds, wouldn't you say?

Let's not bend over backwards trying to patrol personal thoughts. Besides, I'm sure we've all thought some pretty morally unacceptable things in our lifetimes, but if we didn't act on them, not only did no one get hurt, but unless we said otherwise, nobody would even think we thought what we thought.

To put it into slightly more relevant terms, let's say the whole subject of "tickling" was suddenly a really bad thing and if you enjoyed it at all, you have to seek help and stop thinking about it! I'm sure one would think differently if you suddenly had to repress the "bad thoughts" that aren't harming anyone, but apparently could be potentially harmful if you lost it...

But I digress. A little lolicon isn't hurting anyone, except maybe the mindset of right wingers who feel their moral grasp on society slipping every time they see such "despicable" acts being performed to cartoon characters. Those poor, innocent cartoon characters.

I put far too much effort into this post. Forgive my long winded, libertarian attitude.

 

[Yet_One_More_Idiot]

Why wouldn't it be okay? If you want to fantasize about naked underage children, or gouging out eyeballs and having sex with the sockets...Who is anyone else to stop you? Nobody gets hurt when it's only in your mind. And until some MIND POWERZ start blowing stuff up, we need not worry about what that guy over there is thinking to cause that creepy smile.

If you're a pedophile, that's great, whatever. As long as you aren't harming children, I don't care what you do. Better them have wild fantasies than go out raping kids on school grounds, wouldn't you say?

Let's not bend over backwards trying to patrol personal thoughts. Besides, I'm sure we've all thought some pretty morally unacceptable things in our lifetimes, but if we didn't act on them, not only did no one get hurt, but unless we said otherwise, nobody would even think we thought what we thought.

To put it into slightly more relevant terms, let's say the whole subject of "tickling" was suddenly a really bad thing and if you enjoyed it at all, you have to seek help and stop thinking about it! I'm sure one would think differently if you suddenly had to repress the "bad thoughts" that aren't harming anyone, but apparently could be potentially harmful if you lost it...

But I digress. A little lolicon isn't hurting anyone, except maybe the mindset of right wingers who feel their moral grasp on society slipping every time they see such "despicable" acts being performed to cartoon characters. Those poor, innocent cartoon characters.

I put far too much effort into this post. Forgive my long winded, libertarian attitude.

Thank you, OriamRepus, this is an excellent point of view. 😀

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

.Who is anyone else to stop you? Nobody gets hurt when it's only in your mind.

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's saying that you ARE hurting someone: you.

And, that in hurting yourself, you're deluting yourself. And that in deluting yourself you're changing the way your mind percieves things. In changing the way your mind percieves things, you may, no longer, be the person you were. If you are no longer the otherwise upright person that you were, then there is, naturally, some legitimate concern coming from others as to whether or not you're a liability to the rest of us.

While anyone can be a liability and hazard to anyone at any time, and we have no way of knowing whether they are or are not, I can understand how it would be seen as recklessness against one's self that leads to any potential problems. Because you're keeping it to yourself (a part of the problem, as it stresses the fantasies) isn't really a gurantee to anyone, especially yourself, its a form of rationalization and supression.

Because the sexual act is something that can be used as a weopon against other people, there is naturally cause for concern that you might lose control, at any given time, of your own utilities and functions.

We cannot go around policing people's thoughts; we can only ask that they police them themselves. "I don't have to police anything! My mind is my sanctuary!" Maybe so, but pedohphiles have mental sanctuaries too, and its where they commit these crimes first.

There are no gurantees when you're talking about people surpressing a carnal desire based on and in a psychological phenominon. Risky business, either way.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Personally, I think content featuring minors in any way shouldn't be allowed here, period. It has nothing to do with morals or ethics. I do have my own opinions about that, but ultimately they don't really matter. Thing is, no matter how we, members of the tickling community, feel about it, it only takes one person with the power to shut down this forum to do so if he/she feels there's something not quite right going on. It doesn't matter if some of us think some types of materials featuring minors are harmless. We could argue the issue until we're blue in the face, the forum would still be gone. And if someone does shut down the TickleTheater, who's to say they won't go on a wild witch hunt and go after other tickling forums (like the TMF, for instance), looking very hard for the tiniest excuse to shut them down as well? What would we do then?

While chances of this happening may not be that high, I feel that we shouldn't take that kind of risk, especially when there's so much material out there with subjects that are 18+.

Besides which, even though one can very well argue that some pictures, stories, etc., featuring minors are harmless, or that some types of tickling aren't really sexual in nature but are just innocent fun, the fact remains that this forum is meant for adults only. It even says so in the forum's logo ("TickleTheater: online adult community"). Most people here find tickling to be erotic in some way. Posting pictures and other forms of media here and saying they're harmless and non-sexual.... Well, somehow it doesn't sound very credible. At least it probably wouldn't to someone intent on bringing the forum down.

This is all just my opinion, you understand. But I'd really hate to lose one or more tickling forums because the Man took offense to some of the material posted here, feeling it doesn't belong on a forum that's meant for adults.