Should any underage material be allowed on the Theater?

[Betchass1]

You don't find those on an adult site, with 18+ disclaimer and "horny babes" banners.

That's the whole point.
Context.

You mean labels? I really think those Precious Moments things are gratuitously showing certain people images that get their hormones stoked up while simultaneously fetishizing children, and in an extremely unrealistic way. People are paying for an emotional response that I think isn't too far from what others get from porn.
Romance novels, too, exist for the exact same reason as porn. Giving people an outlet for their unsatisfied libidos, often with the pretext of "characters" and "stories."
I was really just making a joke though.

By the way, what do you care about loli chars!?
You draw full bodied women!
We couldn't mistaked them for kids even if you put "they're 14" signs all over your pics!

lol! But the subjects in my drawings are still pretty disturbing. And I'll go out on a limb and say that if they happened in real life they would cause more severe psychological trauma to the victims than any pair of kids licking each other's feet.
"But at least they're not CHILDREN!!!"

Good grief.

 

[Journia]

I think Kalamos is just tired of this subject rising to the forefront of discussion for the umpteenth time.

 

[Zeratul1]

Yes, you did.

Right....


...wait for it...


...here.



Looking at pictures or drawings of children and becoming aroused by it is a form of pedophelia. Period.

You're splitting hairs if you say that thinking it and doing it are unrelated to each other. You're still sick, as far as I'm concerned.

It's like saying, "But I only barely killed him...it's not like I decapitated him or anything!" IT'S STILL MURDER.

Wow.

"Bondage photographer," eh?

I'm gonna go ahead and interpret that to mean you're a filthy fucking rapist. :cross:

 

[Journia]

Well....this is getting rather uncivil. I think we should tone everything down. Zeratul, please refrain from cursing. there are more effective ways to get your point across. Viper, your bias is judging a number of people and is greatly offending them. I am not one of them of course, n_n But calling people sick is not the way to get your message across. As I said to Master Zeratul, there are More Effective ways to get the point across.

What interests me though, is this.
Viper, why did you raise this question? After all, this argument will always end in the same, ceremonial fashion, no matter how long it drags on. The thread will be started, it will attract many people with conflicting views on the subject, words will be thrown around, it will bring in moderators and administrators, it will bring in insults and abusive tones, it will encompass other threads and possibly drag a number of other forums into it, (much of what I have described has already been done in this thread and in the past) people may be labeled, and then the thread may be closed, or abandoned, only to be resurrected by some wayward browser, who doesn't realize what a can of worms they are opening.

Are you actually trying to find a definite answer to this question? Because there is. Underage material is not allowed on this website if it borders on or goes over the line that the United States laws indicate. There is no in between way about it. If it so happens that it has in fact gone over the line, I am quite certain the person who posted it, will either take it off, or the moderators or administrators will take it off. And I am sure upon repeated offences (british spelling) the member would be banned.
Now, I don't think that you are trying to find a definite answer to your question. Since the forum laws clearl dictate where they are set up. I personally think that you are trying to vent your anger. My reasoning is because of this: There are numerous threads on this forum and your fabled TMF which have shown quite visibly where these persons stand upon this most ignominious (in the eyes of some) issue. If it irks you so much my dear fellow, then go over to the Tickling Media Forum, where they are certain to have precisely what you want. Because I am certain that you find it sexual, because of the manner in which you speak of it, or better yet, start yuor own forum, that way you can set the rules just as you would desire they be carried out. You seem to have a perception that all people see tickling in the same viewfinder. They do not. Some people have astigmatism, which mold their view of their surroundings. So, simply you consider your vision to be the way others see it, if you see people talkin about tickling children, you find it to be disgusting. Well, that is a very provincial view to have old boy....No. I think you are trying to grind the beans of people and perhaps incite something greater. I don't think you would want to do that.

After all, I don't see tickling as sexual at all. But I come here because I prefer tickling over other such things, as one may have mentioned, Pornography. I abhor it, and the tales of others who desire it. It annoys me greatly to see so much nudity. But again it is something that doesn't change much, even now, this forum is at the hands of sponsors. and these sponsors specialize in a number of things, such as, pornographic tickling. I admire those who go to great lengths to combat this, but an overwhelming majority of persons favor the nudity. As a1532b once said, "Who likes nudity? Oh right, GUYS" It merely proves in a manner of speaking, that it will be around, and because of this overwhelming majority, it may stay that way for years to come, unless somehow the tables are turned. Quite possible, though, not as easily done as said. Let us take shoeplay for example. Some people are aroused by shoeplay. I KNOW I am aroused by it. It doesn't matter ewhether it is a male or a female, if the person is wearing a certain kind of shoes and socks, and pants, the result will arise. Unless I decide that I do notwish to be aroused by it, which I am sure you are aware, is quite possible, and the age doesn't really matter, until you get to a person who LOOKS like they are at a certain age which digresses into an area of unattractiveness, or rather, undeveloped beauty or attractiveness, because all things have beauty, but beauty changes, never fades or dies, but changes, as we progress into further stages of existence.

But I was going off of the subject matter. My point is, I think you are trying to incite anger among the many residents of this forum. If you wished to find an answer to this question, you should have read the threads in the past about this subject, on any forum, because I am sure it has come up. Or even better, read the rules of the forum. But the best method to go about finding your answer, is not to have a poll, which many people will not even think about voting in, but going to a moderator or an administrator, and posing your question to them. They are quite helpful and intelligent people, which I am sure will gladly give you a thorough answer to your problem. So, don't go, thought bashing people, don't crucify someone because they find something of interest that you don't. That is medieval, it is something that early, unintellectual persons did, to get their way. And it is useless to ask a question of a forum of people who would enjoy to fight over this, thousands of times over, when your answer lies in your face, screaming your name. Just follow the sound Viper San...you wil find the trasure you seek.

As I said earlier, there are more effective ways.

Your reader,
King Jas

Yay, I did a vlad....sort of.

 

[footamateur]

This IS an adult site, and things WILL venture into threads with titles like FORCED ORGASM WHILE TICKLED. I don't like the idea that underaged people can just wander in here and listen to our collective whateveryouwannacallit. So, minors(and you know who you are), please stop reading and go dream of sheep or something.

Can't understand the meaning of this...who and when we said that minors are allowed to be here? wqe are talking about material WITH minors, not to let minors to see or be here...that's law adn there is nothing to argue 🙂 no minors since the site is adult only

Why wouldn't it be okay? If you want to fantasize about naked underage children, or gouging out eyeballs and having sex with the sockets...Who is anyone else to stop you? Nobody gets hurt when it's only in your mind. And until some MIND POWERZ start blowing stuff up, we need not worry about what that guy over there is thinking to cause that creepy smile.

You and everybody else is free to think whatever you want 😉 we are not free anymore in this world, so at lest let's keep the dreams and teh fantasies in our head...but let's keep them THERE 😉 locked inside, since if dreaming of doing nasty stuff with a children can be your fantasy, saying it on a forum or elsewhere is considered "illegal", like if you say in tv "hi, i'm a muslima nd i want to put a bomb on {put whatever here}, but i'm only thinking about it"...so keep it for youself dondon 😛 (not you, the guy that want to put the bomb LOL)

Personally, I think content featuring minors in any way shouldn't be allowed here, period. It has nothing to do with morals or ethics. I do have my own opinions about that, but ultimately they don't really matter

As i said before: the mods and the other that run teh boards take the risk or not to put this kind of material on teh board or not...we are not questioning a decision to protect the comunity, here we are simply talking about if these kind of contents are bad or not, adn if tehy are allowed, what kind of guidelines should be followed 😉 and BTRW if somebody feel aroused by adults tickled i don't see any difference in who is aroused by young tickled, sicne tehre is also a category taht is aroused by older people getting tickled 😉 tickling is tickling in teh end, the only difference is not if a minor is tickled or not, but is the fact taht this is an adult board, so everybody assume taht here people are "wacking their willy" with teh stuff here, adn would not be "appropriate" to show little girls tickled (jeez, this word "appropriate is so dumb...is tehre something appropriate in a guy that is turned on by tickling? LOL and I'm one of theese, like 90% of the people on the board LOL); is an adult board, and if somebody like young tickled I'm sure taht somebody has the same preference and has a board somewhere that has these kind of contents...this would not surprise me at all 🙂

Innocent until proven guilty = it's ok if you don't get caught

what you're thinking is still wrong even if you're not doing anything about it.

The first thing scares me, teh second is something that i don't agree...thinking doesn't encessary mean doing; if we must stop even to dream about something is better taht we call abck comunists and other dictators form the past and start a global regime 🙂 right or wrong is a very questionable thing, and there is no absolute truth in anything, since opininons and way to see the things change on each indiuvidual person

www.ticklishsubject.com is supposeed to be a tickling site for minors. But there are no threads on it that I have seen in the past seven or eight years.

That is so damn wrong...a tickling site for minors? once you collect magic cards or tradegames, now we go to the tickling site and organize pj party at their home , under supervision of the parents, to have tickling party? that's so weird LOL 🙂 you discover sex at 14, amybe earlier now, then you buy your porn stuff (now they ahve internet), but i would say that a fetish is something that you discover and understand only when you grow up...doesn't make much sense to show these kind of stuff to minors honestly;is not the right moment and these sites should not even exist from my POV.

Actually, isn't child pornography described as a "visual depiction of minors", which includes drawings.

that's really very vague; the amtter is kinda more complicate than this, and rules and laws changes in every country, so saying in this way is too reductive and would not help to understand what is acceptable and what is not (starting form the point that any sexzual act involving minors is illegal and should be punished with phisical eviration of the male offender, adn chemical eviration for the women); here we are talking of tickling and a little bit of foot licking....saying that is p0rn stuff is maybe too much 🙂 take a look at the child modelling sites, with their legs spread open adn in situation that maybe would fit better in a porn movie, then you all will ahve a clear idea of what it mean "sexual depiction"

It may be morally wrong, but I have to say...I'd rather have five hundred pedophiles just getting their kicks off of lolicon rather than one pedophile getting his kicks off of raping real children because he can't get satisfaction elsewhere.

What looks correct is only an alternative way to resolve a problem: since i can't kill i play games where i kill, but my instinct is feeded by the same feelings that i get when i kill for real, so when my brain will go black out and i will be able to kill one or more people i will realize that the videogame was not the solution (i love VG, i play a lot and i never killed anybody thanks to them, but i can basha door with a couple of hits and i prray that i will enver loose control because if somebody is less strong than me i can kill him or her).

guys, in one day 4 pages...lol is impossible to keep up 😀

 

[Excess]

Ok, not to be course here, but after seeing that 60% say yes, I just have to say it.

WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE?!

Seriously, Vlad has pretty much already made any point I could have come up with for me. So I'm just gonna say it like this.

Getting off to obviously underage beings=wrong!
Pedophilia=wrong!
Loli=animated pedophilia.
Again, Pedophilia=wrong!

Now I know this is wasted on any who voted yes, but no matter how many times you say "I just wanna see it, I don't get off on it" if you can't explain why you wanna see it, then it's assumed you are getting sexually aroused by it. And EVEN if you didn't somehow and enjoyed it for some other reason, there are sure to be others who see it and get off on it. Oh, and did I mention it's illegal. Yeah, it's illegal, and for a good reason, mind you.

 

[footamateur]

Alright, Ness, then we'll just settle with knowing that anyone who enjoys looking at, drawing, or reading about children, real or fake, and gets aroused by it, is a pedophile.

You missed the important part: "sexual act" is missing,a dn is teh essential part to be a pedophile; here we are talking of tickling, right? 🙂

 

[footamateur]

As to the paedophile comments, I go by the original meaning of the word as translated from Greek. "Child-lover". I would NEVER harm a child, that's why I keep my fantasies in cartoon-land thank you very much.

Lovers was intended in "that" way 🙂 I'm sure that you studied Greek history, beside of poets and things like that, they were a bunch of people that loved to eat, fornicate and do whatever with whoever, simply because doing it with a little girl (or a boy) or with their mother/cousin/sisters or the male conuterparts was not a moral problem at all.

I could agree on the romantic meaning, that is admirable, but i would not even consider the idea of saying in public what you said 🙂 they will not loose time tracking your IP or stuff like that, but i would feel unconfortable knowing that somebody can say openly somewhere that he loves children (without offense), after all tehy bad things taht you see everyday around you.

 

[OriamRepus1]

Can't understand the meaning of this...who and when we said that minors are allowed to be here? wqe are talking about material WITH minors, not to let minors to see or be here...that's law adn there is nothing to argue 🙂 no minors since the site is adult only

BECAUSE NO ONE LIES ON MY INTERNETS!!

You and everybody else is free to think whatever you want 😉 we are not free anymore in this world, so at lest let's keep the dreams and teh fantasies in our head...but let's keep them THERE 😉 locked inside, since if dreaming of doing nasty stuff with a children can be your fantasy, saying it on a forum or elsewhere is considered "illegal", like if you say in tv "hi, i'm a muslima nd i want to put a bomb on {put whatever here}, but i'm only thinking about it"...so keep it for youself dondon 😛 (not you, the guy that want to put the bomb LOL)

No I'm free to think as much as I want, and if I want to talk about it, then I'm free to do that too (void where prohibited). If I want to draw it, I can do that too. Unless there becomes some kind of law against that, but that's still debatable.
YOU CAN'T KEEP ME DOWN!

As i said before: the mods and the other that run teh boards take the risk or not to put this kind of material on teh board or not...we are not questioning a decision to protect the comunity, here we are simply talking about if these kind of contents are bad or not, adn if tehy are allowed, what kind of guidelines should be followed 😉 and BTRW if somebody feel aroused by adults tickled i don't see any difference in who is aroused by young tickled, sicne tehre is also a category taht is aroused by older people getting tickled 😉 tickling is tickling in teh end, the only difference is not if a minor is tickled or not, but is the fact taht this is an adult board, so everybody assume taht here people are "wacking their willy" with teh stuff here, adn would not be "appropriate" to show little girls tickled (jeez, this word "appropriate is so dumb...is tehre something appropriate in a guy that is turned on by tickling? LOL and I'm one of theese, like 90% of the people on the board LOL); is an adult board, and if somebody like young tickled I'm sure taht somebody has the same preference and has a board somewhere that has these kind of contents...this would not surprise me at all 🙂

I agree that it doesn't belong here and would be better off somewhere else. Not for reasons of morality or anything, just relevance.

The first thing scares me, teh second is something that i don't agree...thinking doesn't encessary mean doing; if we must stop even to dream about something is better taht we call abck comunists and other dictators form the past and start a global regime 🙂 right or wrong is a very questionable thing, and there is no absolute truth in anything, since opininons and way to see the things change on each indiuvidual person

This isn't really relevant to this quote, but man you make a lot of typos.

That is so damn wrong...a tickling site for minors? once you collect magic cards or tradegames, now we go to the tickling site and organize pj party at their home , under supervision of the parents, to have tickling party? that's so weird LOL 🙂 you discover sex at 14, amybe earlier now, then you buy your porn stuff (now they ahve internet), but i would say that a fetish is something that you discover and understand only when you grow up...doesn't make much sense to show these kind of stuff to minors honestly;is not the right moment and these sites should not even exist from my POV.

I don't understand. What's wrong with having one for minors? So you don't mind them looking at porn at fourteen (which is illegal), but you have a problem with them exploring some alternative sexuality? I...Don't understand.

that's really very vague; the amtter is kinda more complicate than this, and rules and laws changes in every country, so saying in this way is too reductive and would not help to understand what is acceptable and what is not (starting form the point that any sexzual act involving minors is illegal and should be punished with phisical eviration of the male offender, adn chemical eviration for the women);

Wait, are you saying it IS or ISN'T acceptable?...Or are you saying that's acceptable punishment in certain countries? I am finding it increasingly difficult to understand you.

here we are talking of tickling and a little bit of foot licking....saying that is p0rn stuff is maybe too much 🙂

por·nog·ra·phy (pôr-nŏg'rə-fē) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.

Technically, that could be considered pornographic.

What looks correct is only an alternative way to resolve a problem: since i can't kill i play games where i kill, but my instinct is feeded by the same feelings that i get when i kill for real, so when my brain will go black out and i will be able to kill one or more people i will realize that the videogame was not the solution (i love VG, i play a lot and i never killed anybody thanks to them, but i can basha door with a couple of hits and i prray that i will enver loose control because if somebody is less strong than me i can kill him or her).

Like I suggested earlier: therapy is the best solution. However, I still say lolicon is not hurting anything. Still, it shouldn't be posted here because it doesn't belong.

Ok, not to be course here, but after seeing that 60% say yes, I just have to say it.

WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE?!

Seriously, Vlad has pretty much already made any point I could have come up with for me. So I'm just gonna say it like this.

Getting off to obviously underage beings=wrong!
Pedophilia=wrong!
Loli=animated pedophilia.
Again, Pedophilia=wrong!

Now I know this is wasted on any who voted yes, but no matter how many times you say "I just wanna see it, I don't get off on it" if you can't explain why you wanna see it, then it's assumed you are getting sexually aroused by it. And EVEN if you didn't somehow and enjoyed it for some other reason, there are sure to be others who see it and get off on it. Oh, and did I mention it's illegal. Yeah, it's illegal, and for a good reason, mind you.

Personal business is personal business. It's when it becomes other peoples business that it becomes your problem. Until then, stressing your pretty little head over who gets off to what is a waste of energy.

 

[Zeratul1]

Ok, not to be course here, but after seeing that 60% say yes, I just have to say it.

WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE?!

Seriously, Vlad has pretty much already made any point I could have come up with for me. So I'm just gonna say it like this.

Getting off to obviously underage beings=wrong!
Pedophilia=wrong!
Loli=animated pedophilia.
Again, Pedophilia=wrong!

Now I know this is wasted on any who voted yes, but no matter how many times you say "I just wanna see it, I don't get off on it" if you can't explain why you wanna see it, then it's assumed you are getting sexually aroused by it. And EVEN if you didn't somehow and enjoyed it for some other reason, there are sure to be others who see it and get off on it. Oh, and did I mention it's illegal. Yeah, it's illegal, and for a good reason, mind you.

Now let me ask this.

Fuck yeah, I get off to lolikon, and if you want to call me a pedophile over it, then go ahead. But if I go my whole life without ever harming a child, then how wrong was my off-jerking to begin with?

In my humble opinion, pedophilia is not wrong. Child molestation, on the other hand, is a terrible thing.

You know, I'm surprised no one's thought of the fact that maybe this sort of thing provides sexual outlets for pedos who would otherwise be preying on actual children.

 

[footamateur]

Only the content that keeps this site alive and functioning and the majority of the members happy and safer

That would be translated in commercial materials and promo of horrible stuff that totally sucks but looks good in the 20 seconds promo? maybe i was too spoiled by teh 3 minutes promoi made by Jeff @ MTP 🙂

 

[footamateur]

Man....you should calm down, nobody is screaming here and nobody care abouyt what you think in your mind, nobody want to shut you down...if you feel threaten this mean that there is something wrong in you and in what you think, so when others talk you freak out; otherwise i would not understan why you need to scream and think taht somebody want to keep you down...you can draw, think adn scream taht you love lolicons or whatever you want, if the mods decide that you should not say (and read well, i said "say" not "think" because nobody can stop you to think what you want) these things they will simply close the thread or delete some of your comments taht doesn't fit in the general tone of teh discussion.

BTW my citation was related to another user, taht was talking about minors in teh forums; that doesn't even vaguely fit what we are saying.

 

[footamateur]

I don't understand. What's wrong with having one for minors? So you don't mind them looking at porn at fourteen (which is illegal), but you have a problem with them exploring some alternative sexuality? I...Don't understand.

Who said that i approve that a 14 watch porn? i simply said that they discover it at this age, not that they should look at this stuff

Sorry for the typos; i speak 5 languages and English is not my primary one, xpecially when i wite fast after 10 hours of work, relaxing at my pc reading comments and trying to write down my ideas in a way that is understandable for 80% of the people 🙂 I know how to write the words, but the hands are faster than the brain, expecially at 1:30 in teh morning

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Ok, not to be course here, but after seeing that 60% say yes, I just have to say it.

WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE?!

Seriously, Vlad has pretty much already made any point I could have come up with for me.

There is only a 12 point difference (as I type this) between the yays and nays. Consider that this is a small-scale poll that only a handful of the members are voting on. If this were a large-scale poll and debate, and we could be assured the participation of more people, I have every reason to believe that the yes votes would be trounced to the point of embarassement and humiliation.

On a site and community whose main import/export is adult photography and adult videos of real life human beings of mature age, or at least legal, and this is the food and currency with which the community is sustained, there is no reason to believe otherwise, that things like loli would ever mean anything but a liability to 99.5% of the community...oh all right...I'll be fair. 97.8%. Whatever. When it comes down to it, I'm willing to wager more than 3/4s of the community would find this dispicable and would want it terminated immediately.

That it remains or has been allowed to exist, even as a critter under a rock, is only by the open-minded generousity of the staff and the wishes of the folks who support it, a minority to be sure. The only thing the supporters have going for them is that the rest of the community is too damn lazy or indifferent, or unknowledgeble about this to put their weight of numbers into it. If the entirety of TT, TMF, and others were fully briefed on this and baned together to say in one voice what they think about this, I think the answer would be clear.

This is just a small-scale poll, Excess. Try not to be too upset by it.

 

[footamateur]

In my humble opinion, pedophilia is not wrong. Child molestation, on the other hand, is a terrible thing.

Is the same to say "being an assassin is not a bad thing; people that kill other people is a bad thing" 🙂

pedophile = the person that commit the assault
Child molested = juridical subject that is abused
child molestation = action that will be charged to the offender

Sorry, tried to translate in the best way that i can, hope that the concept is clear.

If you love childrens (like the meaning of the greek word), you should not jerk off watching child porn; otherwise you became a "lover" ; AFAIK lolicon is considered porn but not pedophile material at all, even because is a CULTURAL thing, that we, occidental, must make dirty as usual, like all the stuff that are related to a culture that is not ours (Jap are not like us, their perception of sex is different; I'm not saying to agree or approve, but only try to get in the POV of the huge cultural difference)

 

[MistressValerie1]

I should note that over the past two years, we have aggressively removed and prohibited mainstream images of real minors and have tightened the rules on underage art characters to prohibit anything graphic or realistic, to ensure the fullest compliance with US law. The material that is still allowed carries no real legal risk at this time and is more of a danger to our image than to the forum's existence.

Speaking only for myself, I would prefer that we not allow underage cartoon characters to avoid giving outsiders an unfavourable impression of the community, but such a prohibition would be difficult to implement here because of this forum's deep connections with the anime and fan-art communities as well as the lack of a consensus for barring underage toons. Still, the admins will continue to discuss this matter and will issue new rules as necessary.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I should note that over the past two years, we have aggressively removed and prohibited mainstream images of real minors and have tightened the rules on underage art characters to prohibit anything graphic or realistic, to ensure the fullest compliance with US law.

And you are to be applauded for that much.

The material that is still allowed carries no real legal risk at this time and is more of a danger to our image than to the forum's existence.

Thats part of a point I will have made depending on how prolonged this enjoyably peaceful debate had been.

Sure, you may be technically in compliance with some stipulation, but if not for that stipulation, one begs to wonder what would be allowed here. I think what concerns alot of the "no" voters out there and those that do not support loli, etc, is where TT's moral fiber lies.

Our image is just as important as our existance. Its not that we have anything to prove to anyone outside. Its something to prove to ourselves. That, even though most of you are fetishists, you have limits you will not cross and moral integrity you will upkeep. You're no less than the most rightious people in society, and you should have your say in this matter and not allow your community to fall prey to some technicality.

Its not a question of what you can get away with under the law, its a matter of not feeling you need to. Being content with what you have and satisfied that you don't need to tempt the law or explore every little fantasy.

Speaking only for myself, I would prefer that we not allow underage cartoon characters to avoid giving outsiders an unfavourable impression of the community, but such a prohibition would be difficult to implement here because of this forum's deep connections with the anime and fan-art communities as well as the lack of a consensus for barring underage toons. Still, the admins will continue to discuss this matter and will issue new rules as necessary.

I could be considered one of the leaders of this anime fanart community. And if it would send a messege and change things, I would be willing to cease posting here and only share material that is in accordance with what we need to be doing.

This "fanart community" you refer to is mostly made up of a small handful of active regular artists who continue to take requests, do commissions, and draw pictures of their own devising.

If we could reach these people you'd cut the figurtive head off the issue and it would die eventually. Because we are the source of your desires and material, us reviewing what we share and slowly discontinuing certain themes or underagers would change things. We, the artists, have alot of influence and we are responsible for our fair share of this issue.

If you want your change, I say to start with them, not their fans (who only complex the issue, not create it). Fans convince the artists through flattery and friendship. If more of the artists get their head in the game and resist the temptations to do what the fans want rather than what the site asks them to and not to share, this problem will slowly resolve itself naturally and the rebellious attitude of the underage fandom will dissipate.

 

[Tickle4444]

As for my view on a tickling site for minors, not everyone views tickling in a sexual way. Some people are simply interested in tickling without it being a 'fetish'. I have yet to find a community for people who are into tickling in a non-sexual way - so that's why I come to boards like these. I don't like how tickling has become sexualized, and I believe there should be an outlet for minors (and adults interested in non-sexual tickling) to discuss tickling.

 

[blackmagicjack1]

Perhaps there should be, but this isn't the place for it.

I also feel the need to point out that this Community exists because of the good will of those who host it and moderate it. Whatever decision is made on this topic will reflect thier vision of TT. Obviously the community can influence them, but in the end the decision is thier's. It would be beneficial to everyone here to keep this discussion civil and succint. Insults and mile long posts don't forward your cause.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Perhaps there should be, but this isn't the place for it.

I also feel the need to point out that this Community exists because of the good will of those who host it and moderate it. Whatever decision is made on this topic will reflect thier vision of TT. Obviously the community can influence them, but in the end the decision is thier's. It would be beneficial to everyone here to keep this discussion civil and succint. Insults and mile long posts don't forward your cause.

While I agree with what you're saying, in principle, I believe we need situations like this to be reoccuring every now and then. It serves as a gauge to tell the staff what needs to be looked at more closely and what policies may be failing or losing favor. I'm not saying I agree with insults and craziness, but when site owners see that their people are serious enough to be at eachother's throats over an issue that means a great deal to them they know they've got a split in the userbase and that people need a bridge. Thats a moderator's job: to provide a bridge.

 

[Kalamos]

If you don't mind suffering a little shame and embarassement, that sign would pay dividends later.

Eh, I mind they might come inside, and see if we're really using it for medical reasons...
And we'd have to be *extra* careful.
I know I am careful. You know you are.
Care you say the same about the rest?

Many many many adult Japanese women look closer to 12 than they do to 18.

But we are not Japanese! And I look closer to 20 than I do to 40, but I don't go around clubbing, drinking myself sick, or having sex with any breathing object, like the stereotypical 20 yo guy would do.

You mean labels? I really think those Precious Moments things are gratuitously showing certain people images that get their hormones stoked up while simultaneously fetishizing children, and in an extremely unrealistic way.

No, I mean *context* as in milieu.
This forum. It is meant for adults. It got a disclaimer and 18+ warning signs. It's got banners with "horny", "sexy" and so on.

It all about expectations, as Blackmagic and Ticklishgiggle put it before.
Ppl expect adult scenarios. You add kid chars, and you give them a veneer of adulthood.
You do that, you risk being called names.
Simple. Watch it happening now.

I was really just making a joke though.

Yeah, I know that, but this is not the right context for a joke...
Things are getting heated for those.

lol! But the subjects in my drawings are still pretty disturbing. And I'll go out on a limb and say that if they happened in real life they would cause more severe psychological trauma to the victims than any pair of kids licking each other's feet.

Actually, I find art you've posted so far anything but disturbing.
What I find disturbing is, you haven't learned to trace thick lines yet.
And it is a loss cause your pics rock... but I'm rambling.

And I am not personally disturbed by kids in themselves.
I am just *worried* that somebody could say: "that is wrong, let us shut the site down".
That's different. I'm not being a bigot. I'm being a coward.
It's marginally better.

😉

I think Kalamos is just tired of this subject rising to the forefront of discussion for the umpteenth time.

No, not really...
I'm breezing through posts.
That is basically why ppl keep saying the same things over and over.

We should pause, and read what other ppl say.
Not gonna happen, though...

 

[Journia]

No, not really...
I'm breezing through posts.
That is basically why ppl keep saying the same things over and over.

We should pause, and read what other ppl say.
Not gonna happen, though...

Understood.

 

[Cybertickler]

I go away for four hours, and the cats have played all over the house.

Wow.

"Bondage photographer," eh?

I'm gonna go ahead and interpret that to mean you're a filthy fucking rapist. :cross:

Good job! You got it right!

.... :leaf: .....

http://www.BondageAsArt.DeviantArt.com

Them pictures of rape right there, buddy!

You missed the important part: "sexual act" is missing,a dn is teh essential part to be a pedophile; here we are talking of tickling, right? 🙂

So do you not consider a male licking a female's foot, sucking her toes, to be sexual?

Besides, YOU missed an important part: tickling is considered by the vast majority here to BE a sexual act. That's why this forum exists.

Good try.

 

[U.N.Owen]

I should note that over the past two years, we have aggressively removed and prohibited mainstream images of real minors and have tightened the rules on underage art characters to prohibit anything graphic or realistic, to ensure the fullest compliance with US law. The material that is still allowed carries no real legal risk at this time and is more of a danger to our image than to the forum's existence.

Speaking only for myself, I would prefer that we not allow underage cartoon characters to avoid giving outsiders an unfavourable impression of the community, but such a prohibition would be difficult to implement here because of this forum's deep connections with the anime and fan-art communities as well as the lack of a consensus for barring underage toons. Still, the admins will continue to discuss this matter and will issue new rules as necessary.

As always, Valerie remains a voice of calm reason. The policy she has outlined, here and elsewhere, strikes me as reasonable. If it becomes necessary to further tighten the policy, then it should be done. If not, leave things as they are.

As for the PPG series that began this controversy, it strikes me that these toons have shown the limits of what should be allowed here. At first, they seemed cute and harmless, and I said as much. I became troubled when a certain image was included in an early panel (which wasn't posted here, but was still part of the series). I became more troubled as the series continued to move away from tickling into foot worship and other overtly sexual overtones. Most of the recent panels in this series do not, I think, belong here.

Many anime characters are technically under 18, but the art including them rarely crosses any lines. I have no problem with, for example, the many Sailormoon or Pokemon tickling pics that have been posted here. That's why I voted here that carefully limited, NON real-life "underage" content should be allowed (though the characters I mentioned rarely look underaged).


This PPG series, though, I have to say has crossed the line.

I don't say that to insult or judge Koopacooper. I'm only judging whether this toon series belongs here. I don't think it does.

To sum up: I think the current forum rules are reasonable, both ethically and legally. But I also think this PPG series has violated those rules, and should be deleted.

UNO

 

[Zeratul1]

I go away for four hours, and the cats have played all over the house.



Good job! You got it right!

.... :leaf: .....

http://www.BondageAsArt.DeviantArt.com

Them pictures of rape right there, buddy!

Yeppers. What I see in that URL is a woman tied up, which promotes a psychological impression of sexual domination (i.e. rape), and one could even argue social degradation towards all women.

What's the matter? Can't settle for a woman who's not tied up? Gotta have that factor of male-over-female dominance in there for you to get your jollies? Clearly you need help, because anyone who looks at that sort of thing and likes it must find it sexual, and anyone who finds that sort of thing sexual must harbor rape and other such violent sexual domination fantasies. That just has rapist written all over it.

...Do you see the point I'm trying to make here, Mr. ViperGTSNumbers?