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Student threatens Teacher with Cookie

Limeoutsider

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A sixth grader from New Jersey was suspended after threatening a teacher with a pack of Nutter Butter cookies. The teacher is highly-allergic to peanuts and the boy did say he had "something dangerous," however, he never said it was a weapon. The boy has a pending hearing next month. <respond> Do you think he was rightfully suspended?
 
i think thats alittle harsh. Even though she was allergic, just call security to remove the boy from the class is what she should of done.
 
I know what his defense could be: "Sometimes you feel like a nut... Sometimes you don't."
 
Give me a fuckin break...:sowrong: Seems the teachers now days are just as bad as they were when I was a kid..there all the same..all that kid shoulda got was a detention or no recess for a day for a disrespectful joke..cause thats all it was. I still to this day like the scene in the Pink Floyd "..Brick In The Wall" video where they throw the teacher in the fire..loved it when I was a kid and still feel the same over 20 years later😛
 
Interesting twist from what seems to be the normal course of events.

Usually, it seems like you always hear about students pressing charges on teachers for things such as fraternization, sexual misconduct, abuse, etc. This time, it appears to be the other way around.

I respect teachers as leaders. Sometimes, it can be difficult to guide a bunch of adolescents to complete tasks, especially when a good portion of today's youth holds little to no respect for authority figures, and would probably rather be doing something else besides study or listen to lectures on history and algebra theorems. In a lot of cases, teachers hands are tied as to what they can do to get students to obey, and I don't feel that suspensions get the proper message across (Gee, if I piss her off enough, I'll get to stay home!).

As a military person, when dealing with situations of disobedient subordinates (who have already been counseled on proper codes of conduct and behavior), I've got the advantage that they are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Sometimes, in order to set the example, you need a fool to BE the example. A public NJP (Non-judicial punishment) for speeding tickets, drug use, etc., can be a reality check for a lot of Marines and make them think twice about doing something stupid. A lot of teachers won't take it to the level of getting the law involved. Granted, it's pretty darn sad that teachers should HAVE to take it to that level, but I'll take my subordinate Marines, who understand the concept of respect, over a classroom full of kids, any day. I feel that all this teacher did was reinforce her position, regardless of how mild the threat may have been. There's a time and place for joking around, but this wasn't one of them.
 
I have to agree. Some kids are really pushing the limits these days. When you consider the stories of things like this (nutter butter, students drugging the teachers coffee), you have to draw a line somewhere. And like it's often said, all because of a few bad apples.

The Sean Man
 
Man, that kid had a chip on his shoulder, and it weren't a chocolate one either. Probably wanted more dough since he wanted more for his own. Tell you, that kid had the nuts to do that to his teacher. HOW MANY COOKIE PUNS CAN YOU HANDLE, CHILDREN??!! 😛
 
Teachers nowadays just about have to show up to school in a bullet-proof vest so they can do their job. Don't get me wrong, I believe many of today's teachers are lazy, careless, and void of compassion for their jobs and their students. It has been proven countless times to me through my children. They don't care if your kid is struggling and failing in class anymore and wait until the bottom drops out of your kid's academic life before you get something in the mail saying your kid is failing. When I was a kid, if I missed one homework assignment, or starting behaving inappropriately, my mother was either called or demanded to come to school. They don't do that anymore.

However, one of the reasons they don't care is because of the attitudes of these children nowadays. Many parents are not raising their children to respect any authority outside of the home (they really don't respect their parents either) and are sending borderline animals to school who do what they want when they want. If you try to discipline them in any way, they have the ability to take your job and ruin your reputation just by making up lies. The teacher is guilty until proven innocent. There are teachers that have been beaten and raped by students. That is beyond inexcusible! Thirty years ago when corporal punishment was in schools, you did not have these types of problems. But that's another thread for discussion. Simply put, if there are no consequences for disobedience, why obey? Sorry folks, the "time out" concept is NOT WORKING!

If this kid knew the teacher was allergic to peanuts, that at the minimum is assult. He should've been suspended. If not, it sends a message to the other "innmates" in the school asylum that it's okay to threaten bodily harm to an adult in authority.

I would also like to mention that there are some kids who don't behave like they have been released from the local zoo. Some parents took the time to invest in their children's future by letting them know that there are rewards and reprecussions for their behavior and they will answer to them about it. They taught them how to be respectful and not gullible to people placed in authority. It doesn't stop when you have the baby! Raising a productive adult starts by raising a productive child. It takes work and interaction in their lives. Parenting is not for the faint of heart or the weak and lazy!

I'm glad my kids are almost out of school. When I have grandkids,I plan to homeschool them. These public schools are not places of learning anymore. They're just cages they can keep juvenilles off the street 7-8 hours/day so they don't harrass the general public.
 
the kid was suspended for a month!

The 12 year old in question is an honor-roll student who claims to have never threatened the teacher... it was other kids in the class who said that he did (probably the ones who are flunking.) The kid also said that he didn't think it would be a problem for his teacher because the cookies were sealed up... he never opened the package. Sounds reasonable... after all, I'm sure the teacher goes down the cookie aisle in the supermarket without asphyxiating.

My mother has been a third grade teacher for thirty years, and I know about all of the challenges facing teachers, students and parents of school-age kids these days. Let's be real: this honor-roll kid got a month-long suspension because his teacher is either utterly paranoid or knowingly positioning themselves to sue. Honestly, is anybody who is that deathly allergic to peanuts going to pursue a career in elementary or middle school education... where the halls are booby-trapped with peanut butter sandwiches!

Let me just say that if we've arrived at the day when a child wielding a package of cookies can be accused of assault, then I think we should just abandon the whole idea of education in this country. It's seems that it's done nothing but undermine another core value: common sense.
 
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but..........

Education has been abandoned in this country for a long time. We have gone from education to the school of critical thinking where the kids are practically teaching subjects to themselves.

When we were kids, the teacher taught the lesson, then we did the homework, and took the test. Now, the kids read at home first, get a brief overview in class, then take tests. Now, we have proficiency testing and the kids are still failing. Somethings gone terribly wrong and only a few are really learning. Everyone else is merely trying to keep up.

I'm sorry this whole mess happened to the kid. Remember a couple of years ago when a student shot his teacher to death because he was an honor roll student who was getting a lower grade in class? Teachers have become more paranoid with good reason.

Sorry Curious, but whether the cookies were still in the package or not, if the child knew the teacher was allergic, it was still a threat. If he did not threaten her, why was only he suspended and not the others alleged to be involved?

I wasn't there and really can't say much, but these kids are going to get cracked down on until there is some level of control in the classroom. Good luck with 30-40 kids in a classroom. Good luck with not enough resources to the point that teachers are paying for supplies out of their own pockets. I wouldn't want the job myself.
 
This is getting ridiculous. Suspension over a cookie? You know, I could see if the package was open, or he made her eat it, but the package was closed. This is not that serious. If he had a weapon or something like that, I could see. But to suspend a child a month for a cookie, makes absolutely no sense at all:sowrong:
 
The issue isn't so much the cookie as it is the violation of the respect boundary. The professional relationship between a teacher and a student should not extend to making idle threats EVEN if it is only a "mild" threat done jokingly. For that student to do this in front of a full classroom undermines the teacher's position, which is unacceptable. The fact that he is an honors student should have no bearing on the professional relationship that is expected to be maintained between teacher and student.

Granted, reading the statement over and over in my head sounds even more ridiculous: "Suspension over a cookie."

When I was in school, if I'd have seen this, I probably would've thought it was ridiculous and over the top, then. However, I also remember having teachers that WOULD take such a matter to the law so as not to compromise their position of authority. Leadership is not always a fun game.
 
Well your right whoever mentioned about kids today and drugging the teachers coffee etc..i didnt think about that. I keep forgeting the youth today is not what we were🙁 So I guess it was just being safe...but I still don't like teachers! Most of em dont do their job right and just absue the kids verbal and mental (at least in the 80s when I was growing up and in school thats when it was starting).
 
As usual, you guys are totally over-reacting.

All that is needed is to disable cookies.
 
ok so hes going to a hearing cuz of cookies.... would he have been shot if he had a gun?

the point is when some student brings in a bazooka into a school nobody stops him.. but this poor kid is going to court cuz of a COOKIE.... hello? lol
 
(disco beat thumps, strings come in, funky guitar then sing the following in cookie monster voice): "C is for cookie, dats good eenough for meee, yeahhhhhh!"
 
hmmm...

i gues the diciplinary action was a bit harsh. but despite the fact he had no "weapon", this teacher saw the cookies as something far more deadly than any gun or knife. i think a month or so of suspension would have been more justifiable. but that's just me.
 
"Over the years, various groups of people, theologically, ethnically, racially, have all made adjustments to be freed from social provisos that have kept them an underclass for a long time. About the only one truly left is children. Take into account the paradox of children: we consider them important enough to change laws, language and practices across the nation, but not important enough to take their interests seriously. We take a keen interest in molding their personalities and opinions as if they had none of their own. The retail and food service industry is completely dependent on teenagers as a workforce for pittance wages; in fact, adolescents and young adults have fewer opportunities to make money, yet their living expenses are higher than most can afford...entertainment industries depend on their poor financial management skills to make up their profit margins. Essentially, children are a disposable class that we use for our own needs and egos."

Excellent insight, Amn...I've had similar musings myself. As far as our society's concerned, children are, most importantly, another demographic to cultivate. And that's sick.

Here's the thing: the cookies, as a weapon, are really unimportant. The act passes the 'Intent' litmus, and that's the problem. Intent in a callous sort of way, even though attempting to go through the act itself and accomplish the goal would've met with failure. We live in a zero-tolerance world now, and that's the reality.

Now, teachers are not deities...of course...but all of this might be a reaction to things that happened in another time, I'm not sure. There was a time when you couldn't say ANYTHING to or about a teacher to ANYONE. At the junior high school I attended, we had a teacher who at one time was totally out of control. I met a man who attended seven or eight years before me, and he told me that this teacher used to stand up in front of the class, and say things to her students like..."late for class again, Lucinda? Well, thanks for the disruption. I haven't met a single one of you who wasn't late for something. Since you've disrupted the class, why don't you put some taps on your shoes and entertain us?" Or..."Jesus Christ, what is it with you Jews? You all have the answers to everything! Aren't we sick and tired of Jews knowing all the answers?" By the time I got there, things had changed, and she knew to keep her yap trapped. Nowadays, the pendulum has completely swung. How do you find a happy median? How do you fix the environment so that you can teach kids again? How do you make it BETTER?
 
Flatfoot said:
The issue isn't so much the cookie as it is the violation of the respect boundary. The professional relationship between a teacher and a student should not extend to making idle threats EVEN if it is only a "mild" threat done jokingly. For that student to do this in front of a full classroom undermines the teacher's position, which is unacceptable. The fact that he is an honors student should have no bearing on the professional relationship that is expected to be maintained between teacher and student.

Hate to disappoint you, but the teacher in sense, has lost his/her position a long time ago. The teachers of today have no authority, and the kids know it. The things you and I could never get away with 20-30 yrs ago, are done now with regularity. Why? Because it seems teachers nowadays no longer care if the student learns, because 1)they are not getting paid enough, so why bother? and 2)their hands are tied as to what they can actually do in terms of punishing the child.

So basically the inmates run the asylum. If the warden wants his prison back, he then has to go back to what got him where he was. Simple as that. Still, though, to suspend a kid for a month over a cookie is ridiculous and extreme
 
natural tickler said:
Flatfoot said:
The issue isn't so much the cookie as it is the violation of the respect boundary. The professional relationship between a teacher and a student should not extend to making idle threats EVEN if it is only a "mild" threat done jokingly. For that student to do this in front of a full classroom undermines the teacher's position, which is unacceptable. The fact that he is an honors student should have no bearing on the professional relationship that is expected to be maintained between teacher and student.

Hate to disappoint you, but the teacher in sense, has lost his/her position a long time ago. The teachers of today have no authority, and the kids know it. The things you and I could never get away with 20-30 yrs ago, are done now with regularity. Why? Because it seems teachers nowadays no longer care if the student learns, because 1)they are not getting paid enough, so why bother? and 2)their hands are tied as to what they can actually do in terms of punishing the child.

So basically the inmates run the asylum. If the warden wants his prison back, he then has to go back to what got him where he was. Simple as that. Still, though, to suspend a kid for a month over a cookie is ridiculous and extreme

Yeah, but I would safely bet that when that kid gets back to class, he'll think twice before doing something that stupid and disrespectful again! Kids have to learn that there are consequences for their actions, regardless of how extreme we think they are. If he had not threatened her in the first place, he wouldn't have been suspendended right? It's like closing the barn door after the horse ran out.

He and his fellow students now know that this type of behavior won't be tolerated. Sometimes you have to go to the extreme to shake them into reality and get their attention. Sorry he was made the example, but he shouldn't have done it in the first place. The teacher probably saved his tail from a future life of crime by nipping it in the bud now. The more these kids get away with, the worse they get until someone gets hurt or someone stops them and gets them on another track. Think of how many people are in prision that wouldn't be there if someone just stopped them from progressing in criminal behaviors. It's the little things that get ignored over time, not the big stuff you see at the end of the mess.

With the complacency and passivity in the school system today, he's probably back in class trying to figure out how to get the peanut butter in the teacher's coffee.
 
It also has to be taken into account that a lot of parents today fail to accept the fact that their kids could be troublemakers, often denying the facts presented, and insisting instead that their child is a 'victim'. Then they sue....is it any wonder that most school administrations roll over at the threat of a multi-million dollar lawsuit for 'pain and suffering', considering this kind of thing happens nearly every week?

The Sean Man
 
Yes, i think he should be suspended. I know it's just a harmless joke, but it still was a threatening act. It's more the idea behind the act than what actually happened. Today's teens and kids really don't have any respect for authority or adults anymore. Trust me, im only 19 and i can see that this is a very obvious problem in this generation. Working at a boys and girls club doesn't hurt either, since the kids literally don't care when we have to call the cops on them. I know that's a little extreme, but honestly, where can you draw the line? it's a normal occurance for kids to bring in knives and guns, so much that im on a first name basis with the local police. but, even if they do come in, the kids have NO respect whatsoever....im talking about 12 and 13 year olds!! some younger! so, yes, a joke like that could have passed a few years ago, but in schools, respect for one's teacher needs to be emphasized. Without it, there's chaos. So i think the right thing was done w/ suspending the kid, just to make an example of him if nothing else. Kids get away with WAY too much, and that's why this generation is going strait downhill. It's a sad thing to see, but it IS happening, so attention needs to be paid.

I know i repeated a lot of what was already said, but I wanted to really re-emphasize the points they made. Kids have no respect, and they're only gonna get worse unless we do something drastic about it.

~clair :sowrong:
 
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