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The Jay Leno Show-Bleech

Mitchell

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Did anyone watch the first "The Jay Leno Show" last night? I watched it, and thought it wasn't nearly as good as the Tonight Show.

The guests weren't that great, and the show seemed very boring. Then, this morning, I read a review posted on Yahoo News, from the USA Today, that said the show was panned by critics. They called it a "Very stripped down version of the Tonight Show, only more boring, and 90 minutes earlier".

Thoughts from anyone who saw it?

Mitch
 
i watched a little of last night's show. i kind of have a biased opinion because my dad worked on the tonight show, leading the audio team, for 10 years after Jay started hosting. while i'm not the biggest fan of Jay Leno, in person he's a nice enough guy. I thought his new show was actually kind of cool. Yeah, he's following a very close format to the Tonight Show but he's also changed things up a little. I like the fact that he kept his band on.

Not really sure why the hell he would have Kanye on his very first show, though. And not sure how he got through that interview without beating the shit out Kanye out of complete disgust for what he did, but that's irrelevant lol. Anyway, I think the show is ok. I'll give it a chance. NBC has gotta be loving their Monday night line-up though. Heroes is coming back next Monday 🙂 But that's another thread all together.
 
Didn't watch, never was a big fan of Leno, but it can't possibly be worse than Jimmy Fallon on late night.
 
jimmy fallon. how the hell does he even still have a show???
 
The show is an interesting experiment. Far cheeper then 5 hours of scripted drama's it's performance level in the ratings can be much lower and still make a significant profit. So that is the basis of NBC's thinking off the top.

Next up is that the show is offering something that is simply not out there anymore. A comfortable feeling hour of entertainment that is adult in spirit, but still family friendly. Jay delivers that.

He's shifted his format a bit, the show is much more of a variety show now, with a comedian segment, a music act, and so forth. I think that this is a work still evolving. In the weeks ahead we'll start to see it get tuned in response to how the viewers react.

NBC does not expect to win these hours, and the critics were never going to like it (These same critics have hated all reality TV since it started with Survivor, and yet they thrive) what NBC is looking for is a cheap alternative to what the other nets are airing that will be a 'default choice' Don't like CBS's and ABC's scripted shows at 10 some night? Well Jay is on, and he's good for laugh. Oh look Jay has celebrity 'X' on tonight! I'll watch. and so forth.

Plus Jay is liked by more then the coasts. He plays well to an audience who often feels very overlooked by television in general. And he plays well to an older demographic.

It's a work in progress, and an experiment. It will be interesting.

Myriads
 
At 10 pm here, a local station airs the remastered edition of Star Trek, so I have been watching that instead.

I do like Lenos openings, but I don't think I will watch the whole show on any sort of regular basis.
 
It's basically the "Tonight Show" instead it's on an hour and a half earlier. The only difference is that Jay got rid of his desk and he got rid of Stuttering John Melendez, his announcer. I can't see the show doing well at the 10:00pm time slot. There is too much competition. I usually liked Jay's opening monologue, but I'm not sure I will watch much at the 10:00pm hour. I watched the first two shows just to see what it was going to be like. Oh yeah, and Jay's hair is longer now too. lol
 
He had Kanye on because it was booked months in advance....

As for the rest, he went back to the Jack Paar style tonight show mixed with a few of his standard bits....

Relatively boring for today's typical audience and most will turn away for shows like Greys anatomy and some of the new fall lineups on the other networks...

I give him a year tops before this one gets tanked...
 
He had Kanye on because it was booked months in advance....

As for the rest, he went back to the Jack Paar style tonight show mixed with a few of his standard bits....

Relatively boring for today's typical audience and most will turn away for shows like Greys anatomy and some of the new fall lineups on the other networks...

I give him a year tops before this one gets tanked...

Greys is on at 9, kthnxbai. 😛 :redheart:
 
Did anyone watch the first "The Jay Leno Show" last night? I watched it, and thought it wasn't nearly as good as the Tonight Show.

Mitch

I didn't watch because I don't like Jay Leno in the first place.
 
A few months from now, it might be very different. It might evolve into something else.

I loved Carson's monologues back in the day- he had the best people working for him. It was the only part of the show I really liked. Otherwise celeb chats in general (Mike Douglas, Merv Griffin, Arsenio Hall, et al) bored me to tears. I can't see myself watching this. I do, however, wish Jay Leno the best.
 
I just wanted to bump this thread from last month to post some news about the show. I dont know if anyone read the online articles this morning, but Leno's show is in trouble. The article I read said Jay averages only 5.6 million viewers a night, and that certain affilliates of NBC are thinking about bumping him, or cutting him back to a half hour, because his ratings are affecting their 11pm newscasts. Also, Jay has very stiff competition in the 10pm hour with shows like CSI, Private Practice, etc.

I just had this bad feeling about this show the first time I watched it. Jay's a great talent, and I hope he can turn it around. I'd hate to see him taken off the air after so many years of success on Tonight.

Mitch
 
The show just doesnt have it and will not sustain an audience every night in prime time...
 
I just read some interesting info about Jay's show in the wikipedia.

First, the show makes sense for NBC economics wise. According to the wiki, an episode of a regular hour long drama on NBC costs $3 million to produce, whereas the Jay Leno Show costs about $350,000 to $400,000 in production for an hour show. Also, in spite of Jay's $30 mil a year contract with NBC, the network has the option of cancelling the show, and Jay's contract, after two years of the four year "commitment" that they made to him.

I've also read that Conan O'Brien';s ratings have taken a big hit on "Tonight", and that Letterman has now been winning the ratings war.

What I'm wondering is: If the Jay Leno Show is struggling, and Conan's ratings have sagged on Tonight, why doesnt NBC go back to what worked? They should probably fire Conan, and come up with some kind of settlement on his contract, cancel The Jay Leno Show, and put Jay back on The Tonight Show. Maybe having Jay back on Tonight would improve the ratings.

I dont know how this would be economically, but it might clean up problems on two shows.

Mitch
 
I just wanted to bump this thread to post some news I read. Apparently, after four months, the Jay Leno Show is continuing to draw lackluster ratings, and some NBC stations are complaining that such is affecting their 11pm local newscasts. NBC has discussed several options.


One rumor is outright cancellation of Jay's show, an unlikely scenario, considering his 30 mil a year, 4 year contract.

Another rumor I read was that Jay's show may be moved to 1135, with a half hour, scaled down version of the show, followed by Tonight with Conan at 1205, and Jimmy Fallon at 105.

For a guy who was so successful on late night TV for 17 years, it's sad to see what is happening to Jay.

My bet is that NBC ends up doing the latter of the two scenarios, with 30 minutes of Jay at 1135, and then Conan, and Fallon, afterward. It would seem that even with the ratings problems that Jay has encountered so far, that NBC just has too much $$$ invested in him to just cancel him outright.

Mitch

An edit to this post: I just read on LA Times.com, that NBC is also considering cancelling Jay's 10pm show, and returning him to his previous time slot with one hour of the Tonight Show at 1135, and that Conan might leave the network altogether.

Hopefully, no one will end up as the odd man out, but NBC probably never should have taken Jay off at 1130 in the first place.
 
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He had Kanye on because it was booked months in advance....

As for the rest, he went back to the Jack Paar style tonight show mixed with a few of his standard bits....

Relatively boring for today's typical audience and most will turn away for shows like Greys anatomy and some of the new fall lineups on the other networks...

I give him a year tops before this one gets tanked...

Looks like I gave him too much time...lol
 
NBC never should have moved Leno off of the Tonight Show. I realize the switch was set up years in advance, but nothing about it has truly worked.
 
When he agreed to leave the Tonight Show, Leno should have either retired, or gone away elsewhere. His dumb show is dragging NBC into the gutter. NBC was already in sorry shape, compared to it's past, and this was a bad all around decision. The network needs to cut him loose and move on.

Since NBC is more concerned with money being saved, as opposed to ratings, at this point, I would think that reruns of the Law & Order franchise at 10 pm for the remainer of the season would be more profitable (and get the same - if not better - ratings).
 
From Todays Variety

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118013455.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&ref=verttv


NBC has a late night mess on its hands.
Similar to the game-changing moment in 1993 when David Letterman walked away from the Peacock after Jay Leno scored "The Tonight Show," Conan O'Brien may be close to doing the exact same thing.

Insiders were confirming late Thursday that Leno had been offered -- and had accepted -- a return to the 11:35 p.m. time slot, where the host dominated the late night wars for nearly 15 years.

Leno is expected to return to his late-night chair following the Winter Olympics at the end of February.

The attention now turns to Conan O'Brien, who has a difficult decision in front of him.

O'Brien's handlers are likely mulling all of their options -- and pitching their client to both Fox, which currently doesn't have a late night franchise on the weeknights, and ABC, which would have to move "Nightline" and "Jimmy Kimmel Live" out of the way.

But neither network appears immediately likely to make a play for O'Brien, insiders said. What's more, Broadcasting and Cable reported that NBC has the option to bench O'Brien for the remainder of his contract but keep paying him.

If O'Brien ultimately decides to stay, "The Jay Leno Show" will air at 11:35 p.m. for half an hour (and focus mostly on its monologue), followed by "The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien" at 12:05 a.m. and "Late Night with Jimmy Fallon" at 1:05 a.m.

But if O'Brien negotiates an early release and bolts the Peacock, then Leno will once again host a one-hour "Tonight Show with Jay Leno" each night.

Leno has said that wouldn't say no if NBC gave him back the slot -- and indeed, it appears he has agreed to the new arrangement, even if it means hosting just a half-hour show each night.

For O'Brien, the red-headed host's options outside NBC may be limited. "Nightline" is performing well for ABC, and the network appears to have backed off its once-likely plans to dump the late night newsmag.

The scenario at Fox is more tricky. The network has mulled getting back into the late night game, having been run out of the daypart after 1993's disasterous "Chevy Chase Show."

But Fox's owned stations and affils do quite nicely with off-net syndie fare in late night. Stations, which are able to sell much more ad time in those sitcom repeats, might not be eager to clear O'Brien -- particularly given his lukewarm performance vs. David Letterman at NBC.

The host could also consider late-night first-run syndication -- where no late-night player has really worked since Arsenio Hall -- or cable.

NBC's likely counting on O'Brien ultimately realizing that there are few other options in late night. If O'Brien's willing to take his lumps, he would still host the storied "Tonight Show" franchise, and he'd still air a half hour earlier than he did on "Late Night" -- and would likely be the midnight victor vs. "Jimmy Kimmel."

But it would also require moving past an awkward late night shuffle.

Meanwhile, in moving Leno back to late night, NBC will suddenly have five hours worth of primetime air to fill. And given that NBC has already scheduled "Parenthood," handed back "Southland" and reduced "Day One" to a limited run series, its hour-long cupboard is pretty bare this midseason.

Peacock insiders argue that they managed to do just fine when faced with a similar dilemma during the writers' strike.

Net will likely move some of its dramas, like "Law and Order: SVU," back to 10 p.m. Other holes might be filled by reality shows, repeats and "Dateline NBC." Repurposed episodes of USA and Bravo series might also be in the offering.

For next season, NBC already has aggressive plans to produce up to 18 pilots this development season. But that new crop of series won't be ready until fall.

That's because NBC wasn't ready to make such drastic changes this soon, especially since the net has long said it would give "The Jay Leno Show" at least a year in its 10 p.m. slot before making any changes.

Peacock has also long argued that "Leno's" performance, while low, still met its financial targets.

But not only was "Leno" performing poorly, but it crippled NBC's owned and affiliated stations' 11 p.m. newscasts. What's more, the domino effect of the Peacock's primetime perf spread not only to Leno at 10 p.m. but to O'Brien at 11:35.

O'Brien's edgier comedy was always seen as a tough sell for Leno's more middle-of-the-road fanbase, and NBC was bracing for a ratings drop. But add the loss of Leno's "Tonight Show" audience to NBC's depressed primetime lead-in, and the "Tonight Show" was smacked with an even bigger drop than expected.

That left NBC with a weakened Leno, a weakened "Tonight Show," a weakened O'Brien and even a weakened "Late Night," which had been taken over by Jimmy Fallon.

Affiliates, which early on preached patience, have gotten increasingly vocal with their anger over "Leno's" and NBC's primetime performance.

Following the November sweeps, it was clear that the show's 10 p.m. lead-in ratings have crippled the Peacock's owned and affiliated stations' late newscast ratings. (Such an impact had been predicted, yet still stung for stations.)

NBC had managed to squash Boston affiliate WHDH's attempts last year to pre-empt "Leno" with a 10 p.m. newscast. But if several stations joined arms to dump Leno, the network wouldn't be able to retaliate as effectively. And a revolt was brewing.

As a result, under pressure NBC quickly started hammering out this new late night scenario -- which nonetheless came with several challenges (including what's believed to be a massive, eight-figure payout for O'Brien) .

The idea of Leno back at 11:35 gained steam among NBC bosses, who were hashing out the fate of the primetime "Jay Leno Show," in recent weeks.

NBC appeared more ready to cut O'Brien loose than it was last year, when some industry wags first suggested that NBC halt its "Tonight Show" succession plan and keep the top-rated Leno in place.

At the time, Peacock execs ultimately decided that they'd already gone too far down the road in adhering to the plan, first formulated more than five years ago, and grooming O'Brien as Leno's successor.

NBC execs also didn't want to find themselves competing against O'Brien on Fox or ABC, and didn't want to write that $40 million kill fee to the long-time "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" host.

But when it came down to Leno vs. O'Brien, now that NBC has seen how both perform at 11:30, the network was ready to put its support behind Leno.

Peacock finally decided to pull the trigger just in the past few days, and has been meeting with both Leno and O'Brien and their reps.

Network is set to hold an affiliate meeting later this month at NATPE, and will likely have its late-night plan figured out by then.

NBC isn't confirming any of this just yet, but it won't be able to duck the issue for long.

The Peacock faces the press on Sunday as part of the TV Critics Association's winter press tour -- but its unclear whether any of this will be officially resolved before then (O'Brien, for one, probably won't have an answer for NBC by then), and as a result the conglom's recently promoted TV chieftain Jeff Gaspin will have to artfully pick his words.

The network itself was only confirming that "The Jay Leno Show" hadn't been canceled, and that it hoped to keep O'Brien in the fold.

"We remain committed to keeping Conan O'Brien on NBC," the network said in a statement. "He is a valued part of our late-night line-up, as he has been for more than 16 years and is one of the most respected entertainers on television."

The net's earlier statement about Leno, meanwhile, was just as carefully worded: "Jay Leno is one of the most compelling entertainers in the world today. As we have said all along, Jay's show has performed exactly as we anticipated on the network. It has, however, presented some issues for our affiliates. Both Jay and the show are committed to working closely with them to find ways to improve the performance."

If O'Brien balks, there's always a chance NBC may also decide that it doesn't want to hand-deliver a lucrative late night franchise to a rival like Fox and News Corp. -- and could instead still aim toward another scenario that could somehow keep both Leno and O'Brien in the Peacock stable.

Other options that have been mentioned in the past include striking a deal with affils to move their local newscasts down to 10 p.m.; that would allow for "The Jay Leno Show" at 10:35 and "The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien" at 11:35. (That's been dismissed by net execs, however, who are loathe to give up an hour of primetime).

Had NBC opted to keep Leno in prime, NBC might have considered decreasing "Jay Leno" to just three nights a week in prime, or struck a deal with Leno to do an abbreviated version of his show at 8 p.m. Leno, however, has said he has no interest in doing a show that early.

But with the timeslot switcheroo now inevitable, Leno had some fun at NBC's expense on his Thursday night "Jay Leno Show."

"The Justice Department announced they will conduct an anti-trust review of Comcast's proposed deal to merge with NBC," he quipped. "An anti-trust review. Which is the relationship I have with NBC -- Anti-trust... What does NBC stand for? Never believe your contract."
 
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