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Thoughts on New Ticking Producers

anchientstar

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After a few failed attempts already at trying to break into the scene (in the end it really came down to money for me) I wondered what other producers and people thought about attempting to join the greats. After all, there are just so many people producing content these days, not just in fetish but all over the film industry that it certainly feels less easy to become a content creator. Especially trying to balance the wonderful realm of life.
Plus it also feels like to me that a lot of people have found producers they like and are comfortable with (thats not a bad thing) but it does mean you'll have to come up with something new, different and exciting to really stand out from the crowd.

What do you guys think? Is it the time and effort for those where its more of a hobby? Or should you invest everything you can to try and become successful?
Just some thoughts!

Cheers for reading!
 
Here would be my suggestions of how to fail as a video producer:

1.) Don't worry much about quality control of the models. If they're willing and available, book them. Decide in advance that nothing about their attractiveness, age or personality matters. If they've already appeared in countless fetish videos, and can be seen in 200 other clips, even better. Avoid ever trying to persuade new girls into appearing in a video for the first time.

2.) Even if a model doesn't seem genuinely very ticklish, or if she seems to be exaggerating her reactions for the camera, release it as a tickling video anyway, (rather than having a separate brand of bondage videos for the girls who aren't ticklish). Just the idea of tickling will be enough for the buyers to come.

3.) Create phony scenarios, especially with bad scripted dialog that don't make sense -- and in locations that contradict the phony premises -- like an office scene in a setting that's not an office, or a doctor's scene in a setting that's not a health care facility. Fall so in love with your own scripted masterpiece, or the idea that attractive girls are saying your words, that you won't care or even notice when the acting absolutely sucks.

4.) Use loose bondage, or no bondage at all.

5.) Don't have the 'ler verbally tease, or add any psychological element to the tickling itself. Make it purely athletic from beginning to end with no mental component. Make sure the 'ler can't think of anything to actually say.

And the best way to fail....
6.) Don't innovate. Make the same kind of video we've seen 1,000 times, and expect that because it's you doing it, and it's fun for you, the buying public will receive some kind of residual turn-on from yours and become fans.

Good luck! 🙂
 
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Location seems to be a huge factor, it's no coincidence how most of the more successful producers have been in or around NYC or throughout Florida for the last decade.

tbh it's probably easier than ever to be a tickle producer... there's probably no worse time to do it professionally, though. That said I think people dismiss the idea of an amateur, B or C-list tier producer. Admittedly, it's costly. Obviously, nobody is going to be eager to dump money upfront on something that's not guaranteed to break even on, let alone profit from. But if you seriously want to make videos, it's there to do. My own video "studio" is pretty much a camera, lights, few sets of stocks and whoever agrees to do it. Content gets uploaded without a set schedule and when it is uploaded I don't think I really break 25 "buyers" (really Patreon backers, that'll be a ramble for later).

By all accounts I should be a failed producer, but I'm making stuff I like, when I'm able to do so, that the people who have seen seem to like and I've found a way to have it essentially pay for itself after a while. I'm almost certainly never going to rise much higher than this niche, but it's a nice little niche to be in all the same, and every now and then I'll bat out something people deem really good. I'm fine with that. I wish more people would warm up to the idea of being a niche or mid-level producer.
 
Brotherted, I appreciate your contribution but I feel like a lot of your points are very Subjective (as in your tastes. I can never remember if its subjective or objective). I know personally I love the videos where there is no bondage and no verbal teasing. Its just a whole playful shoot where both partys are enjoying themselves. Everyones got different tastes and If I were to have a crack, I would definitely be choosing one or the other and becoming the "best" in that area.

Comfort Eagle, I definitely reckon (for whatever reason it maybe) that you guys up there in the USA seem to have it a lot easier on finding success (let alone models). I think my biggest push is that I studied a film degree and I'm doing nothing with it. I even have the hardware to make a decent film (Even just using a DSLR like what the Russian Fetish Producers did at the beginning). Plus I know how to edit and i've got a lot of skills to back me.

I think you managed to find your "groove" people love your content cause we know you can create quality that we enjoy. The toughest thing is coming into people like you guys and trying to prove ourselves when others are already grounded and skilled in that area. Plus definitely the cost.
When I first tried though my biggest competition was models themselves. They were rare and I only came by 1 or 2.

But I personally believe you weren't a failed producer, you did everything right. Went for it at the right time, created and gave it to the world when the world wanted it. Even 25 customers to me is a win. You're creating content you love and others are enjoying your creation!

I guess its a big scary step and I doubt ill take it but its really interesting hearing what others have to say .
 
Comfort Eagle, I definitely reckon (for whatever reason it maybe) that you guys up there in the USA seem to have it a lot easier on finding success (let alone models).

Thing with this though is that the overwhelming majority of my models were Craigslist responses, or friends I just asked to see what they'd say. I think a lot of people think there's some bastion of models somewhere that producers just dip into and nab with relative ease, but outside of major metros they take a bit of effort to get. Try whatever the Australian version of Craigslist (or CL itself, I'm not sure if they have international versions) and just float it out there; tickle modeling, paying gig, respond if interested.

If ya wanna fuck eagles, you better learn to fly. I think a lot of people underestimate what it takes to get off the ground, but once you start the ball rolling, you're in a much better position to keep it rolling.
 
Success for a producer can often be as simple as being the one to first twig to concept or technological innovation.

Magic Touch rose to the top on the fact that they were the first to accept credit cards. Ease of purchase was a massive force that Brought them a decade of success.

Real Tickling first identified that better bondage was important. That was a major factor in their rise.

And that rise was built upon by Tickle Abuse which identified that even better, tighter bondage via seriously nicely constructed devices was important. And it's still a legacy they are profiting from.

Of course luck (Getting the the perfect model; Prisillia at RT, Brook and Tasha at TA, Bianca at TI) plays a big part too. And doing the hard work to produce quality clips that always met/meet a standard that the consumer knows will be there cannot be discounted.


And inventing the profits from those early wins back in, for more models, better sets and devoices, even new studios all plays into it also.

Sometimes location is key. Czech tickling pulled models from all over central Europe and ones the audience found ticklish and attractive. As a poster above said TA and TI drew on NYC and Flordia for models, and so on.

There are far more ways to mess it up then to make it work. And the errors are always easy to see, The ways to win... not so much.

The next company to rise to the front of the pack will probably have a solid location, a heaping pile of quality production, and a dash of luck.

Myriads
 
"If ya wanna fuck eagles, you better learn to fly. I think a lot of people underestimate what it takes to get off the ground, but once you start the ball rolling, you're in a much better position to keep it rolling."

Exactly This, or at least dress up like an eagle.

I didnt start my company thinking hey ill be rich and quit my dayjob. It is still today as it was 9 years ago. A fun hobby that makes extra money that includes my fetish. I value it more for the friends I have made over the years than anything else.

I got lucky off the bat with amateurs from craigslist like Tori and then Savannah. I dont think I would have the customer base I have now without them.
However the Pro models also help with exposure, eyeballs on the site as I say. And they all chit chat with each other.
So if you are a decent and nice person and they have a good experience they tell their other model friends. And then they come to you or at least have heard of you.

So when amateurs come looking for work you have a "model resume" kinda thing that says you are a legitimate deal.

Also accept and welcome criticism. I love when you tell me something is awful. Thats how I better my content. Im still learning and improving every shoot.

Lighting, lighting, lighting, lighting.
Its more important than your camera.

Also always always always get a signed model release from your models...
I have spoken.



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I may add that central Europe and Russia (and probably mexico and south america) probably have an edge with costs of living and costs of models.

But in the end the Americans have a huge market (people always prefer studios from their country and USA is like 70 % of buyers).

Anyway the only thing I would disagree with is that Tight bondage and even ticklishness is that important.

I see that what pleases on our platform is authenticity, people prefer girls next door over established models (or if they want that, they go to Tickleabuse anyway).
I even see that "non ticklish people" is a thing for people, they prefer a cute model.

The key is not to mislead people.

Now there are a ton of intricacies, and I really believe that it's not the same job to work with girl next doors and to work with established models, the latter being much easier to recruit and a bigger piece of mind.
That's why we see more of them.
 
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Lighting, lighting, lighting, lighting.
Its more important than your camera.

Also this. If you have $200 and can only decide between a DSLR or lighting, opt for lighting. If you have a smartphone (and who the hell doesn't now), even the camera on that is probably a far more competent option than you might realize so long as the lighting s on point.
 
Success of a producer is completely dependent on the producer. Comfort I told you location is a seriously minor thing. I started in a part of Texas where NO ONE shot fetish. NO local models, NO models into it, and SUPER religious area. It was not easy sure but I did REALLY well and honestly did better finding models than I actually do now IN NYC. I get like 10 emails a week on how to become a successful producer and I always try and respond with "Meet me in person and I will help you"
Reason why is there is just SO much to really "teach" someone. The LARGEST issues I see are these things being ignored:
- Lighting. This MATTERS A LOT. My first lighting setup was a 6 arm lamp from goodwill and soft light bulbs.
- Angles. FIND THE ANGLES. Some people like that full body video but people dont like to squint when watching a video.
- Profit>pleasure. Yes do what you love and have fun but remember a clip producer is still a business. Respect the models, respect your money, and most importantly respect your limits and the limits of others. This stuff matters and its pretty shocking how many producers overlook it.
- Don't be a creep. Seriously. Don't. Approach respectfully and honestly. Let the money talk and be open. Don't push if they say no. There are a LOT of ticklish people in the world and a LOT of open minded people in the world. If you have the right vibes they will come to you.
Theres a lot more but I need to post a clip and do last minute shopping because I am a potato. I'm thinking of doing producer talks on discord so if you guys are interested in dumb shit like that PM me.
 
Thank yall for your contributions. Definitely understand the lighting thing as I have a Bachelor In Film. Its more just getting off the ground that was the issue for me. That and the lack of models. Unfortunately Craiglist has died when it comes to that kind of thing (at least for me, every post was taken down).

I would also argue that (even though a lot of people EVEN in the film industry don't care) Sound is a huge issue. Just saying that if you have trash sound not only will I never watch your stuff, a lot of people wont either. (I was a sound designer so 😛 Plz love your sound)

But it seems like everyone is kind of rotating through a couple of steps.

Lighting
Location (which is currently being debated)
Amature modes
And bettering a concept or creating a new one.

Seems pretty standard if im honest, just like film you have to stand out AND BE GOOD at what your trying to stand out with in order to be noticed.
I honestly thought that it would be easier in a fetish world, but I can definitely see it really isn't. It will be interesting over the coming years to see if
my name pops up in this industry!

Honestly though im suprised that advertising and spreading the word about your product isn't one of the first things people would suggest to get things rolling!
Is it just a much later step? Should Content be all I would worry about?

Thank you all for your wise words of wisdom!! <3 <3
 
Honestly though im suprised that advertising and spreading the word about your product isn't one of the first things people would suggest to get things rolling!
Is it just a much later step? Should Content be all I would worry about?

Thank you all for your wise words of wisdom!! <3 <3

You have a lot of channels (reddit, TMF, the platforms themselves, instagram or even twitter).

The problem I see is that TMF is only a small portion of the community (and the clip subforum is even less than that), most people visit the store of studios from their bookmarks in their browser.
Getting good exposure is harder for newcomers, a lot of people still email me to say "how come I didn't see your stuff before ?" and some people are not even aware of what popped out since 2012

They are "bubble browsing" as I call it.
If you see a major studio like Russianfetish, they don't advertise whatsoever, because they are bookmarked by hundreds of people. That's a luxury nobody can afford out of the top 5

So new studios need to show some resilience before they dig their space, it takes months or years of releasing consistant stuff to be noticed and remembered.
 
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Brotherted, I appreciate your contribution but I feel like a lot of your points are very Subjective (as in your tastes. I can never remember if its subjective or objective). I know personally I love the videos where there is no bondage and no verbal teasing. Its just a whole playful shoot where both partys are enjoying themselves. Everyones got different tastes and If I were to have a crack, I would definitely be choosing one or the other and becoming the "best" in that area.

I appreciate the civil discussion, even if we disagree! 🙂

My take on your take of my take on your post is...
Yes, there are certainly subjective aspects of these kinds of creative decisions. But I believe my suggestions will prove valuable in marketing. Here's what I mean.

Take booking young, attractive models. Will some customers love middle aged models and not care that a model is young? Yes. Would some people love overweight models and not care if a model is in shape? Also, yes. But I'd argue you won't lose many customers because your models are young and in shape.

Or... will some people not care if the bondage is loose, or not there at all? Sure, like you, some people don't care about bondage. But I'd argue you very few won't buy because you have firm bondage, meaning doing it only produces upside.

Same goes with the other suggestions, like verbal teasing, or an innovative concept. For sure, some viewers may not care that they're there, but others will care, and you certainly won't lose many sales because you have excellent verbal teasing or an innovative, non-fakey concept.

So my recommendation is that you not think just about what you like about tickling videos, but also what most in the market seems to appreciate even if you don't particularly care. Then incorporate as many of all the above as possible, provided nothing in the second group contradicts what's in the first group.

Peace out!
 
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