Tickle Torture in SE Asia - FREE Movie Thread

[tkl-pen]

Hey Peter - there is a Neu Bleu free clip called "Laugh Little China Girl" but I can't play it because it's in rm format - could you watch it and tell me if you like it, please - if you don't, I'll feel safer buying it - by the way, this is the 200th post on this thread.

 

[wendynpeter]

LOL interesting spin you've got there. I'll be sure to pass along to the "colored" people that they are happy as a result of slavery -- I'm pretty sure they are presently unaware of that! LOL

I don't know if you remember the things that were said when this video was released, but the originial defense was "our culture has a different attitude toward women, so who are you to criticize our culture?" THAT spin didn't work, so now the spin is "Good things result from exploitation, so exploitation isn't bad"?? I have news for ya -- that spin's not going to hold water, either.

When you have a major problem in a community, or a nation or a global region, exploiting the economic opportunities that problem may present will only ensure that the problem remains.

 

[wendynpeter]

Hey Peter - there is a Neu Bleu free clip called "Laugh Little China Girl" but I can't play it because it's in rm format - could you watch it and tell me if you like it, please - if you don't, I'll feel safer buying it - by the way, this is the 200th post on this thread.

I watched most of the clip and liked it quite a bit. Sorry.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

My point is that "I'm a capitalist" isn't a sufficient defense. People who try it here are constantly reminded of that fact. And even if they get away with what they do, or are underpunished, failure to get caught or get punished doesn't make what they did right. Look at Enron. Hell, look at plantation owners. Americans agree that it's wrong to expoit people and opportunities in the name of capitalism, if someone's being exploited.

I wasn't using it as a defense. I was simply agreeing with you that I do technically exploit economic opportunity. That is the game in which capitalist countries play. Anybody in gainful employment or those employing people are as much part of that game as I am.

Ah. So by that logic, the aforementioned plantation owners weren't doing anything objectively wrong, since it was legal at the time to own slaves.

Stop clutching at straws. Keep this discussion in modern day then we can draw suitable conclusions. America does have modern day slaves, most of which are sex slaves. You also have one of the biggest drug problems in the world which causes countless women to enter into professions that they normally wouldn't do in order to feed their habits. The standards by which you base your foundation of concern which you have geotargeted at Asian content are as much as concern with American content. An example of your double standards.

Oh, bullshit. I just won't allow the argument to be turned around. The discussion is about what *you're* doing, not what anyone else is doing.

Bullshit? I think not. This arguement is not being turned around. The standards you've used to base judgement here are as valid as the discussion itself. You have demonstrated double standards except upon outlining this fact, you don't like it. Instead, you make a feeble plea of "off topic" when it is clearly on topic for a discussion of this nature.

Your sales cannot justify what you do.

My sales demonstrate that many are NOT disgusted at what they see after buying the material and they indeed come back for more. Which contradicts the claim you've made.

ps - make sure you send Isabeau the full clip of "Fuck You." I'll make you a deal -- send her the full original clip. If she disagrees with me, I'll not say another word about anything you ever make in the future. (If you edit it in any way from the original, deal's off).

I don't make deals with people like you. I was going to give her a copy of the fuck you clip, but after what you have said I will not. I will not allow a judgemental person try to turn my genorosity into another avenue to cast judgement. Not for as long as your blatant double standards remain.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

Hey Peter - there is a Neu Bleu free clip called "Laugh Little China Girl" but I can't play it because it's in rm format - could you watch it and tell me if you like it, please - if you don't, I'll feel safer buying it - by the way, this is the 200th post on this thread.

200th post 🙂

My original goal for this thread was to get an equal number of page views that the sticky thread of "Posting/Finding/Playing Clips Found In Video Clip Section--- " has got since being posted in 2002.

We're almost there, I did intend getting here by contributing tickling movies to our community. But as it turns out, we're arriving by a different vehicle.

 

[RobAce]

Yikes!! Are we still at this. It seems to be going round and round with no end in sight. I understand that people are concerned, and I also understand that people dont want to get involved. It is very commendable for someone to notice something and against the majority of a community to speak out.
But at the same time many many people have viewed this material and deemed it suitable for their individual tastes. I have seen the full clip. I see somethings that "disturb" me (and Ive been in this community for over 10 years) but nothing I would feel is worse than Ive seen before. Is it illegal? Is it wrong? To someone from another country, another culture, probally. But unless anyone has 100% knowledge on what is excatly is going on, there is no need of accusing or berating someone without end. Ask your questions, if you recieve answers, comment and move on. If the questions are ignored or not answered then there might be a reason to wonder what is going on.
Some people just care about the community and want to see the best for us, and thats okay. But no one should be the morality monitor here. After all we hate the government for censoring material, why should we.
But if there is a legitmate concern for the well being of individuals then perhaps it should be discussed in an open forum, as long as it remains civil.
I for one have read to keep up on the situation as an interested party, wondering myself what to do. Well I think I have a "possible" solution.
If you are that concerned about the welfare or possible problems then by all means buy the clip, and take it to the US counsoulates office, the FBI or most likely find an diplomat or attache from SE Asia and let them see it.
Me personally with my lectures at colleges, happen to know of 3 such persons, 1 is a attache for Thailand and another for Malaysia, and also a representive of the Philippines. I with permission from MTS will let each of them view this and give to me their impressions. If they think its illegal in their country then they have the ball, and if it truly is they will do something. If they see it as a joke, a farce, or something not worth the time of the government then perhaps we should do the same...let MTS make his videos and enjoy them (or not watch them if you do not enjoy them).
Id hate to see this great community split over something like this, granted its important in the grand scheme of things..but after all it is still tickling.
MTS the ball is your court dear sir. Do you mind. (since its copyrighted material I assume, I just dont want to hand it out willy nilly.)

Rob
*DISCLAIMER* I am in no way taking sides, I am meerly attempting to find a reasonable solution for what I think the issue is. I would like an expert opinion and Im not aware any of us are in the position to make that call.

Rob

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

Yikes!! Are we still at this. It seems to be going round and round with no end in sight. I understand that people are concerned, and I also understand that people dont want to get involved. It is very commendable for someone to notice something and against the majority of a community to speak out.
But at the same time many many people have viewed this material and deemed it suitable for their individual tastes. I have seen the full clip. I see somethings that "disturb" me (and Ive been in this community for over 10 years) but nothing I would feel is worse than Ive seen before. Is it illegal? Is it wrong? To someone from another country, another culture, probally. But unless anyone has 100% knowledge on what is excatly is going on, there is no need of accusing or berating someone without end. Ask your questions, if you recieve answers, comment and move on. If the questions are ignored or not answered then there might be a reason to wonder what is going on.
Some people just care about the community and want to see the best for us, and thats okay. But no one should be the morality monitor here. After all we hate the government for censoring material, why should we.
But if there is a legitmate concern for the well being of individuals then perhaps it should be discussed in an open forum, as long as it remains civil.
I for one have read to keep up on the situation as an interested party, wondering myself what to do. Well I think I have a "possible" solution.
If you are that concerned about the welfare or possible problems then by all means buy the clip, and take it to the US counsoulates office, the FBI or most likely find an diplomat or attache from SE Asia and let them see it.
Me personally with my lectures at colleges, happen to know of 3 such persons, 1 is a attache for Thailand and another for Malaysia, and also a representive of the Philippines. I with permission from MTS will let each of them view this and give to me their impressions. If they think its illegal in their country then they have the ball, and if it truly is they will do something. If they see it as a joke, a farce, or something not worth the time of the government then perhaps we should do the same...let MTS make his videos and enjoy them (or not watch them if you do not enjoy them).
Id hate to see this great community split over something like this, granted its important in the grand scheme of things..but after all it is still tickling.
MTS the ball is your court dear sir. Do you mind. (since its copyrighted material I assume, I just dont want to hand it out willy nilly.)

Rob
*DISCLAIMER* I am in no way taking sides, I am meerly attempting to find a reasonable solution for what I think the issue is. I would like an expert opinion and Im not aware any of us are in the position to make that call.

Rob

I think its honorable that you have taken the time to write and offer a "solution". But I feel that I do not need a solution as I do not see a problem. With regard to government representatives, there is a publically displayed section 2257 compliance statement available where they may go to make enquiries about the said material. Other than that, you do not have my permission to redistribute the content anywhere.

 

[RobAce]

Thank you MTS for your reply. And I agree it would be bad business (and practice) to allow me to offer your material free to anyone. I will instead let them see free clip and then direct them to the website to visit and purchase the clip for themselves. I know for a fact that the attache for Thailand expressed to me interest in seeing this, he is actually in Thailand right now and him and I are corresponding as we speak. So if nothing else I helped you get 1 sale. I will post for anyone interested what my friend in Thailand tells me. He works in the government and knows a lot about the situations and the concerns here. Since he frequents the US he hears a lot about this.
Again MTS thank you for your cander and quick response. I wish the best for you and your business as it seems it is doing very well. Of course the hype from this post certainly helped business Im sure.

Rob

 

[asutickler]

There's a distinct difference between the redistribution of copyrighted work and the offering of said work as evidence of potential wrongdoing to a law enforcement agency (or agencies, as the case may be).

Excellent solution, Rob. 🙂

 

[TKpervert]

MÿTicklingStudios isn't doing anything illegal and nobody here is going to stop him from making his videos.

Nor should they be able to.

Girls are getting tickled in these videos, not raped and murdered.

I can't believe the energy that's been expended in this thread.

The horse is dead, stop beating it.

I wish all this energy could have been expended solving a REAL problem.

 

[RobAce]

Thanks asu, just doing my part as the "middle of the roader". My freind in Thailand is looking at the material right now, he told me to stick around for the next 10 to 20 minutes and he would have a reply to me. Im actually curious about what he will tell me.

And yes the 2257 complaince is excactly what you need to do for the selling of these videos in the US, but I dont know the foregin laws where they are filmed. But the attache in Thailand does, he told me he will give me a full rundown in now the next 10 or so minutes.

Rob

 

[asutickler]

MÿTicklingStudios isn't doing anything illegal and nobody here is going to stop him from making his videos.

Nor should they be able to.

He could be stopped quite quickly and easily, through a variety of perfectly legal channels...

The question is, does he deserve it?

 

[TKpervert]

There's a distinct difference between the redistribution of copyrighted work and the offering of said work as evidence of potential wrongdoing to a law enforcement agency (or agencies, as the case may be).

Excellent solution, Rob. 🙂

I must be missing something. Is tickling now illegal ? Should I wipe my C: drive ?

Please advise. *yawn*

 

[RobAce]

TK I agree with you, MTS isnt doing anything wrong but there are those that will persist and continue to press their points until someone actually does something. I have no staked interest...I assure everyone will agree..that I am NOT being paid or given anything free from MTS to "prove" something that he is 100% correct in stating that there is nothing he is doing that is illegal. And that he does not need a solution because he doesnt see a problem. Im doing this to hopefully once and for all end this never ending discussion about right/wrong blah blah blah. Again MTS isnt paying me and I do not know personally anyone that is involved in the thread and I have no agenda except to get back to the matter at hand..MTS producing great clips, and for those that enjoy them to continue to do so, and those that dont simply not to watch and allow MTS to do his business without daily lectures.

Rob

 

[asutickler]

And yes the 2257 complaince is excactly what you need to do for the selling of these videos in the US, but I dont know the foregin laws where they are filmed. But the attache in Thailand does, he told me he will give me a full rundown in now the next 10 or so minutes.

2257 really only covers proof of age, though, doesn't it? People who have seen the full versions of these videos allege that there are violations of another nature occurring... Things that, if true, would certainly violate US law. Remember the "Bumfight" series of videos, and what wound up happening there?

 

[Max_Phoenix]

I posted this in another thread but it's relevent here so I'll repost it. I'm truly beginning to wonder if coming back to the tickling community was such a good idea. After all these years...so much has changed but "so" much is the same...
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Thanks Mimi, one of the reasons why I left ASFT and the tickling community so many years ago was for this very reason. Now that I'm back this thread is causing me to wonder if much has changed at all.

I thought this was the "flame free forums" where we could all come together and share our love for a common thing...tickling.

There are those of us who like tickling and there are those of us who like tickle "torture" in "every" sense of the word. We "all" know this. It's "always" been this way and will "always" continue to be this way.

If we're going to start debating..."again"...to this point then the community may as well divide itself into it's seperate groups, those who like "tickling" and those who like "tickle torture" and go our seperate ways. If we can't accept each other for our difference, beliefs and desires then we are "not" a community, we're simply another group of people who simply want to force our own desires and opinions on each other.

We have something truly special here...and too many of us can't recognize that nor appreciate it. Instead of the arguing, things would be so much easier if we "all" realized that we have a common love but we're still different as individuals and have our own likes and dislikes. Entire nations have fallen because people can't realize and "appreciate" this fact. Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, and that's all that it is...a "point of view" doesn't make them "wrong." Right and wrong don't even enter into it. The sooner we realize this the closer we'll be as a community.

Much love to everyone,

Max

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

2257 really only covers proof of age, though, doesn't it? People who have seen the full versions of these videos allege that there are violations of another nature occurring... Things that, if true, would certainly violate US law. Remember the "Bumfight" series of videos, and what wound up happening there?

lol, yes. You mean the ones that are offered for sale here: http://thiswillshockyou.com/main.html
Owned and operated by WTF Entertainment - a US company.

2257 is a age compliance statement but also provides contact information for the custodian of records where all enquiries will be directed to. The COR also holds the contracts of agreement between model and producer. No violations of any kind have occured.

 

[RobAce]

Max you have spoken well and it should be taken to heart to everyone that reads your post. WE ARE a community. WE ALL DO HAVE diffrent beliefs and one common love...which is tickling. Whether or not we all can agree on what we like or dont like shouldnt be an issue. And I agree wholeheartedly. I didnt mean to "ruffle" any feathers, nor implicate or insinuate anything. I as some others have expressed just feel that MTS is being unfairly singled out and I for one just wanted to try to end to consistant and seemingly endless bantering. I think everyone here is and should be ADULT enough to know what they like, dont like, or feel indiffrent about. Me personally this isnt my cup of tea, but I know many who utterly love the material MTS produces because its more real.
I applaud MTS for doing what he does, heck if I could I would. But at the same time I do not admonish anyone who feels diffrently than I.
Like I said before..no one here is a morality monitor...and the MODS here have been great over the years and continue to do so. I know they have seen the content, and have reviewed this subject probally many times as I have seen the little "!" heading this post several times. I trust the judgement of the MODS to remove anything they feel would be harmful, illegal or inappropiate.
And since they have not done that, I feel comfortable with MTS and whatever he chooses to produce.

Rob

 

[TKpervert]

Oh man, robace252, collusion or money never even entered my mind.
This ain't no million dollar enterprise we're talking about here with buyoffs and bribery 😀

MÿTicklingStudios isn't stupid (I don't think).

I think he has the law pretty well covered.

If what he's doing is illegal, I better take my hard drive and stick it in the microwave, most schosch.
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[asutickler]

I must be missing something. Is tickling now illegal ? Should I wipe my C: drive ?

Please advise. *yawn*

In a nutshell:

There are several federal agencies who could be contacted to look into the various allegations of abuse. Believe it or not, it IS illegal to film a criminal act and sell it. If the producer can't demonstrate that all of his models willingly consented to their entire ordeal, it could cause him serious problems. A number of S&M sites have actually bitten the proverbial dust in this fashion.

Since the models in the videos are quite young-looking, someone could also legitimately request a 2257 audit... I doubt that a lot of these models have acceptable forms of identification, being that these clips are filmed in a relatively underdeveloped area of the world. Hell, I'm sure you can buy a fake photo ID in Bangkok for less than I usually pay for lunch.

On the commercial side of things, I'm sure that whomever processes credit card transactions for "www.clips4sale.com" could be persuaded to take their business elsewhere, particularly if one were to contact and involve one or more of the major credit card companies. Unless Clips4sale purchases webspace from a company dedicated to pornographic material, their ISP could possibly be removed in the same fashion.

 

[RobAce]

ROFL TK, hey one can dream cant I. Perhaps ol MTS can buy me off by inviting me to come with him to shoot a few videos. LOL.
But perhaps if he secretly has millions of dollars he could throw a fully loaded Humvee my way.
And yes if what he does is considered illegal here in the US a lot of us better FFR the ol hard drives with a swiftness faster than a burrito passes through the digestive system!
LOL.
TK, your one of the good ones. Always good to hear from you, perhaps I oughta hear from you more.

LOL

Rob

 

[asutickler]

lol, yes. You mean the ones that are offered for sale here: http://thiswillshockyou.com/main.html
Owned and operated by WTF Entertainment - a US company.

The difference being: that site uses footage obtained incidentally, in real-life situations. They are not paying people to kick one another's asses in the street.

2257 is a age compliance statement but also provides contact information for the custodian of records where all enquiries will be directed to. The COR also holds the contracts of agreement between model and producer. No violations of any kind have occured.

Really? Have you ever actually been investigated? The COR should also have current contact information for each and every one of your models. I certainly hope you're not hiring prostitutes as models... They can be really tricky to track down if and when an FCC investigator asks to interview them.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

The difference being: that site uses footage obtained incidentally, in real-life situations. They are not paying people to kick one another's asses in the street.

Packaged like that isn't it? And protected under your constitution.

Really? Have you ever actually been investigated? The COR should also have current contact information for each and every one of your models. I certainly hope you're not hiring prostitutes as models... They can be really tricky to track down if and when an FCC investigator asks to interview them.

As I've said previously, all records and documentation pertaining to ALL models are in order. I would be pretty stupid to do it any other way, and stupid I'm not. I am familiar with the legal requirements that I must adhere to having been in the industry for some years. What more can one do?

I'm not sure where you're going with this angle of discussion and how it relates to what we're discussing here.

 

[asutickler]

Packaged like that isn't it? And protected under your constitution.

No, it isn't packaged like that. Note the repeated uses of the words "caught on tape" and "100% real-life footage."

As I've said previously, all records and documentation pertaining to ALL models are in order. I would be pretty stupid to do it any other way, and stupid I'm not. I am familiar with the legal requirements that I must adhere to having been in the industry for some years. What more can one do?

You'll have to pardon me for not just taking your word for it.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

No, it isn't packaged like that. Note the repeated uses of the words "caught on tape" and "100% real-life footage."




You'll have to pardon me for not just taking your word for it.

Why wouldn't you? By the same token, why wouldn't you take the word of all other producers assuming you are not demonstrating double standards here?