tickled session - lee's NOT liking it

[mass1926]

I've just had my third paid tickling sessiontoday and it was phenominal!
My first session was years ago with a girl called Vivianna. I felt like I was in a bad tickling video. She didn't seem that ticklish and when I was getting to her I had to stop. Not a good session.
My second session was with a pro submissive named Ophelia. That session totally sucked. She nodded out while I was trying to tickle her. I think she may have taken something before our session that desensitized her. That session sucked too.
Today was my third paid session and as the saying goes "Third time is the charm" I tickled LoLo at Tickle Abuse and had the best time of my life. It's fun to tickle someone that really enjoys being tickled and has as much fun with it as I did.

I guess then that maybe a lot of girls aren't that ticklish in the vids if you personally experienced a girl nodding off. You're probably right, for many it's about the quick cash so they probably pop some percs or something and practically feel nothing when you do it. I have bought a lot of clips in my day and I have noticed that many lee's seem almost bored or smiling at times to make it seem like they are ticklish when clearly they are not. You can always tell which one's are because a ticklish girls can't stop moving around and cant look straight ahead like some of these girls that will stare right into the camera or at the ler.

 

[NY ler]

The whole concept of getting tickled and liking it (if you're very ticklish) is very very rare. Yes, there are lees here or a few select models who will say I love getting tickled, but if you find a ticklish Jane Doe, she will say she hates it. And if her friend will attempt to tickle her, she will attempt to escape. So this 'loving' getting tickled is extremely rare and rarely exists outside of our community, which is 99.9% of the entire population. Say I have a bet with ticklish Jane doe and if she loses, I tickle her for 10 mins, yes I will give her breathing breaks and will respect her safeword, but you better believe that I and just about everyone in here, will take advantage of the 10 mins.

 

[rhiannon]

The whole concept of getting tickled and liking it (if you're very ticklish) is very very rare.

You just found the very reason why we tickling lovers are looked at like we are weirdos!

I will give her breathing breaks and will respect her safeword

Well, if you respect the safeword, then there is not a problem. It might take you a very long time though until you get up to the ten minutes. 🙂

but you better believe that I and just about everyone in here, will take advantage of the 10 mins.

I know quite a bunch of lers who absolutely hate it when their "victim" is not enjoying him/herself. So I wouldn't say "just about everyone".

 

[brotherted]

In general, I guess I'm in the camp of thought with mass1926 here....

There's a huge oversimplification going on in these conversations regarding whether the 'lee "hates it."

Very few 'lees actually find getting tickled for along time a great feeling. For me, there are basically two categories of 'lees: (a) they don't like the feeling of being tickled per se, but if they like the guy, they'll consider tickling a form of flirting and as long as it doesn't last too long, the positive aspects of him flirting with her outweigh the physical discomfort, or (b) they detest it completely because it channels memories of powerlessness from their childhoods.

I know there are a few other categories too... I'm just saying, the above represents at least 95% of the reaction to being tickled in my experience.

So this talk of tying up a girl & finding out she hates it can mean very different things. Is she gently complaining that this it's more intense than she thought, and begging for it to stop in a "fun way"? Or is she screaming maybe even the same words, but delivered like she's terrified?

Tone, in other words, is everything, and one girl's "please stop" can mean something completely different, based on the tone, than the same words spoken by another girl. Don't we all agree with that?

 

[rhiannon]

I'd say your two categories of lees aren't lees at all. They are two categories of people disliking tickling...therefore they can't be lees! 🙂

 

[Master Baiter]

If you ask me it is actually illegal and he is pretty lucky he didn't get in trouble! No means no!

All bets are off when she agrees to getting tied up.
Changing your mind sometimes just isn't an option.

I've had a blast doing this many many times before.
They are usually not too mad if I screw their brains out afterwards.

Most of my victims were good sports.

 

[mass1926]

All bets are off when she agrees to getting tied up.
Changing your mind sometimes just isn't an option.

I've had a blast doing this many many times before.
They are usually not too mad if I screw their brains out afterwards.

Most of my victims were good sports.

Um....yea.....making a girl do something she doesn't want to go through with is definately not okay. "all bets are off when she agrees to getting tied up" sound like the creepy words of sociopath who has no regards for the person they are working with.

 

[Master Baiter]

Um....yea.....making a girl do something she doesn't want to go through with is definately not okay. "all bets are off when she agrees to getting tied up" sound like the creepy words of sociopath who has no regards for the person they are working with.

"Working with"?!? More like working over!!!

Hey, if they were willing to have sex with me afterward, then I must have done something right.

Or maybe it was the fishing hat and hip waders.
'Cause every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.

 

[mass1926]

Yea you did, you tickled them against there will until they were so desperate to make it stop that they agreed to let you fuck them 🙂

 

[Babbles]

Rhiannon, I didn't think I read that right either.

not being sure how ticklish you are and then willing to be tied and tickled for money can end up bad for the ticklee had this experience once with and asian woman who went nuts when i tickled her feet and she begged for me to keep the money and just stop but that never happened i don't think she evr knew how ticklish she really was.

That was not INFORMED consent. That was abuse and/or assault.

"Consent" means nothing if the --- victim ---- is tricked.

All bets are off when she agrees to getting tied up.
Changing your mind sometimes just isn't an option.

I've had a blast doing this many many times before.
They are usually not too mad if I screw their brains out afterwards.

Most of my victims were good sports.

And the ones who aren't "good sports?" For that matter --- those who were?
Too scared of getting more?
Just highly upset, tortured and traumatized, no big deal.

See above.

Yea you did, you tickled them against there will until they were so desperate to make it stop that they agreed to let you fuck them 🙂

Thank you --- If that's what happened he's also guilty of rape. Coercion via torture.

Any cops in the house? Seriously.

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Changing your mind must ALWAYS be an option with something like this especially ---- fetish activity when someone's tied up or overpowered and just didn't understand what they were getting into, for whatever reason.

With sex as well, whatever it is -- WHOEVER IS IN CONTROL NEEDS TO STOP BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS THE ONLY ONE WITH THAT OPTION ----- If the other person needs it to stop, for whatever reason ---
their need is as important --- and more so if they're helpless --- than yours.

Someone wrote "no means no" --- if something suddenly hurts the person or they realize something's not right, or is horribly unbearable --- you need to stop, let them go, and just don't bother with them again if it was frustrating.

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[mass1926]

not being sure how ticklish you are and then willing to be tied and tickled for money can end up bad for the ticklee had this experience once with and asian woman who went nuts when i tickled her feet and she begged for me to keep the money and just stop but that never happened i don't think she evr knew how ticklish she really was.

I didn't read this one yet. Damn, that is really just horrible. Agreeing to do something does not mean that the contract is binding without the opportunity to back out. This is a verbal contract that she agreed to be paid upon performance (being tickled). Therefore, by the terms of the contract, if she does not want to go through with it, she is entitled to back out and simply not get paid. Cleary this man has no idea about the concepts of business nor the law. This is physical abuse in a nutshell. It's like getting onto a roller coaster and deciding you want off before they start the ride, and they look at you and say tough luck you go onto the ride so no backign out. You sir are a physical abuser and I wish the girl reported you to the police.

 

[Master Baiter]

That was not INFORMED consent. That was abuse and/or assault.

"Consent" means nothing if the --- victim ---- is tricked.

If that's what happened he's also guilty of rape. Coercion via torture.

Any cops in the house? Seriously.

Good Lord on a moped. I didn't force her into anything. We had mindblowing sex by her choice many times after that and revisited that scenario as well.
You weren't even there and you wanna cry "rape" and have me arrested?

Leave your skeletons in the closet where they belong, please, and stop tossing around false accusations. This isn't about you and your "issues".
Seriously.

 

[Master Baiter]

I didn't read this one yet. Damn, that is really just horrible. Agreeing to do something does not mean that the contract is binding without the opportunity to back out. This is a verbal contract that she agreed to be paid upon performance (being tickled). Therefore, by the terms of the contract, if she does not want to go through with it, she is entitled to back out and simply not get paid. Cleary this man has no idea about the concepts of business nor the law. This is physical abuse in a nutshell. It's like getting onto a roller coaster and deciding you want off before they start the ride, and they look at you and say tough luck you go onto the ride so no backign out. You sir are a physical abuser and I wish the girl reported you to the police.

It's more like getting onto a roller coaster and wanting to get off, after the ride starts. Ain't happenin', sweetheart.

Is it really necessary to toss out these wild accusations because some of us like the thrill of it?

I got news for ya: most tickling in the real world is non-consensual. I mean, outside of a gathering, who the hell asks for permission before they launch a tickle attack?!?
It defeats the whole purpose!


The amateur lawyers are out in full force tonight.
Must be a convention in town.

 

[mass1926]

It's more like getting onto a roller coaster and wanting to get off, after the ride starts. Ain't happenin', sweetheart.

Is it really necessary to toss out these wild accusations because some of us like the thrill of it?

I got news for ya: most tickling in the real world is non-consensual. I mean, outside of a gathering, who the hell asks for permission before they launch a tickle attack?!?
It defeats the whole purpose!


The amateur lawyers are out in full force tonight.
Must be a convention in town.

Are you being a d***head for the fun of it or are you actually screwed up in the head? Whether or not a person agrees to be restrained, when they get to a point where they say they don't want to be tied down anymore or they want the activity to stop, it needs to stop!!! If you continue keeping her restrained against her will my friend, that is now called False Imprisonment and you are going to jail. I believe absolutely nothing from your b.s. stories about tickling girls even after they beg you to stop and then you screw their brains out. If this is even remotely true the only explanation is that you are buying hookers and tickling them and then having sex with them. In which case that's really really sketchy. If you are not just messing with me and really feel this way about women and that you have a right to treat them as objects to torture at your pleasure, you need to be in intensive therapy and definately be off the streets.

Oh, and as for your arrogant little amateur lawyer comment, I've taken enough business law courses to know what I'm talking about. It's not lawyer talk, it's called common sense. Either you're an immature kid that lied about his age to come on here and post stupid comments, or you're a very sick minded individual that doesn't belong on this site because you're representing the normal people here in a bad way.

Also genius, tickling a girl where she's not expecting it, but at the same time she isn't freaking out and yelling at you to stop in a manner where she is actually upset is considered consentual because she's not demanding it come to an end out of anger or distress. Non-consentual is when you are tickling someone and they ask you to stop in a serious manner and a person such as yourself treats them like they are toys and continue abusing them.

 

[rhiannon]

Master Baiter, changing your mind ALWAYS is an option! ALWAYS!

If you were talking about sex here and not tickling it would indeed be rape! Even if someone changes their mind in the middle of the sex act and it is not complied to, it is rape! With tickling it is 'only' false imprisonment and abuse! Doesn't make it any better!

People like you make it absolutely necessary to have a safeword!

 

[TRU]

If a girl signs a letter of consent and agreement that goes into great detail about what she is letting you do to her, then technically, it would be legal and despite how much she begged or hated it, I would still take full advantage of our agreement. Some girls don't really know how ticklish they really are, so they sign the agreement thinking that its going to be easy money, when in fact, they are deathly ticklish and hate it. Honestly, it turns me on when a girl ends up hating being tickled mercilessly.

Are you being a d***head for the fun of it or are you actually screwed up in the head? Whether or not a person agrees to be restrained, when they get to a point where they say they don't want to be tied down anymore or they want the activity to stop, it needs to stop!!! If you continue keeping her restrained against her will my friend, that is now called False Imprisonment and you are going to jail.

I'm not a lawyer, but I've been under the impression that if you two sign a letter of consent and agreement, which goes into detail about what she is agreeing to let you do to her, and she ends up hating it anyway, there's nothing she can really do about it.

 

[rhiannon]

I'm not a lawyer, but I've been under the impression that if you two sign a letter of consent and agreement, which goes into detail about what she is agreeing to let you do to her, and she ends up hating it anyway, there's nothing she can really do about it.

Legally maybe, no. But do you have ANY respect for the people around you in you?

In Master Baiters case though it didn't sound like there was any contract involved, just a consenting partner. And a consenting partner has the goddamn right to change his/her mind at any freaking time!

 

[TRU]

Legally maybe, no. But do you have ANY respect for the people around you in you?

I'm not into playful, light, tickling; I'm into tickle torture, big difference between the two. And if I'm paying my hard earned money to tickle her, then no, I probably would ignore the begging, especially since she signed a detailed specific contract. I've seen TIB interview girls on tape before a very torturous session, and most girls still agree to his terms despite how much he warned them that it will torture them; at the end of the session, the girl is out of breath, crying and ready to go.

If it's in the contract, then its legal and I've got no prob with it.

In Master Baiters case though it didn't sound like there was any contract involved, just a consenting partner. And a consenting partner has the goddamn right to change his/her mind at any freaking time!

I agree, but not because I didn't want to tickle the shit out of her, but because I'd be in deep shit with the law.

 

[Babbles]

All bets are off when she agrees to getting tied up.
Changing your mind sometimes just isn't an option.

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Good Lord on a moped. I didn't force her into anything. We had mindblowing sex by her choice many times after that and revisited that scenario as well.
You weren't even there and you wanna cry "rape" and have me arrested?

Leave your skeletons in the closet where they belong, please, and stop tossing around false accusations. This isn't about you and your "issues".
Seriously.

I wrote *IF* they were coerced into having sex it would be rape. READ. However, you do describe assault in your tickling interactions.

And yes it IS assault if they change their mind/s --- if it's not informed consent especially.

My only "issue" is people who don't understand the word "no" or worse,
trick others into thinking they don't have the option to change their minds once they're helpless.
Abuse, assault, sick shit, however one wants to phrase it.

 

[rhiannon]

I'm not into playful, light, tickling; I'm into tickle torture, big difference between the two

I'm not into playful, light tickling either. Still, when I've had enough, I've had enough, and it stops right then and there.

If the lee says you can keep the money, just stop, you stop! We've had that case here a while ago when a prostitute refused to service the guy. He went though with it anyways. She didn't take his money and sued his ass - for rape, although his lawyer tried to make it look like it was theft....so ridiculous!

And as I said before, Master Baiter it looks like was NOT referring to a contract, but a CONSENTING PARTNER! That is what makes people especially upset here, and rightfully so.

 

[TRU]

And yes it IS assault if they change their mind/s --- if it's not informed consent especially.

Yea, I wouldn't even bother with the girl if she didn't sign a contract. They can easily just make up random bullshit about how you tied her up, and raped her and you'd have no proof to the contrary.

I'm not into playful, light tickling either. Still, when I've had enough, I've had enough, and it stops right then and there.

If you signed a contract, I wouldn't stop for a minute.

If the lee says you can keep the money, just stop, you stop!

If there's a written contract, then you don't have to stop a damn thing, and I wouldn't.

We've had that case here a while ago when a prostitute refused to service the guy. He went though with it anyways. She didn't take his money and sued his ass - for rape, although his lawyer tried to make it look like it was theft....so ridiculous!

Last time I checked, prostitution in America is illegal and they both could've gotten into a lot of trouble for it.

 

[Babbles]

Cruel Semantics.

If a girl signs a letter of consent and agreement that goes into great detail about what she is letting you do to her, then technically, it would be legal and despite how much she begged or hated it, I would still take full advantage of our agreement. Some girls don't really know how ticklish they really are, so they sign the agreement thinking that its going to be easy money, when in fact, they are deathly ticklish and hate it. Honestly, it turns me on when a girl ends up hating being tickled mercilessly.
I'm not a lawyer, but I've been under the impression that if you two sign a letter of consent and agreement, which goes into detail about what she is agreeing to let you do to her, and she ends up hating it anyway, there's nothing she can really do about it.

That's inhumane shit as well.

You are tricking them.

That's not informed consent and I hope you, Master Baiter & tkltease meet a girl with a family of vicious lawyers. Or a crime family... Either will do nicely applying the same semantics once they have you cuffed.

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[rhiannon]

You make your girlfriend sign a contract before sex?

 

[TRU]

That's inhumane shit as well.

You are tricking them.

How are you tricking any girl, if you go into detail about how torturous it can be, even show video examples of how bad it can be for a girl? Inhumane or not, there's no trickery involved if you made damn well sure that she knew what she was getting into. And even then, she signs an agreement that you showed her how bad it can be, and made damn well sure that she knew what she was about to get herself into.

I don't trick women into prostitution, nor do I mess with prostitutes.

You make your girlfriend sign a contract before sex?

We are talking about a professional tickle torture session, not prostitution.

 

[rhiannon]

Yea, I wouldn't even bother with the girl if she didn't sign a contract. They can easily just make up random bullshit about how you tied her up, and raped her and you'd have no proof to the contrary.

You make your girlfriend sign a contract before you have sex?

If you signed a contract, I wouldn't stop for a minute.

There are no contracts if I decide to let someone tickle me....it's me liking and trusting someone and vice versa.

Last time I checked, prostitution in America is illegal and they both could've gotten into a lot of trouble for it.

Last time I checked, I was still in Germany, where prostitution is a profession.