tickled session - lee's NOT liking it

[rhiannon]

We are talking about a professional tickle torture session, not prostitution.

Master Baiter apparently wasn't. And we are also talking about stuff like losing bets etc.

Plus - there are also people in SM dungeons who make sure the people working there are not enduring anything that goes past their limits.

 

[TRU]

There are no contracts if I decide to let someone tickle me....it's me liking and trusting someone and vice versa.

Then I wouldn't bother with you at all.

Last time I checked, I was still in Germany, where prostitution is a profession.

That's fine, but in America, prostitution is illegal.

 

[rhiannon]

Then I wouldn't bother with you at all.

Don't worry, same here with you, same here with you!!

That's fine, but in America, prostitution is illegal.

I was not talking about America...I was giving an example that even people who offer a service like that can change their minds!

 

[TRU]

I was not talking about America...I was giving an example that even people who offer a service like that can change their minds!

You can't change your mind if you signed a contract.

I remember a couple of real tickling videos, where Jackie French nearly went insane because TIB tickled her so freaking long and hard, yet he never got sued. Hehe

 

[Babbles]

How are you tricking any girl, if you go into detail about how torturous it can be, even show video examples of how bad it can be for a girl? Inhumane or not, there's no trickery involved if you made damn well sure that she knew what she was getting into. And even then, she signs an agreement that you showed her how bad it can be, and made damn well sure that she knew what she was about to get herself into.

I don't trick women into prostitution, nor do I mess with prostitutes.


We are talking about a professional tickle torture session, not prostitution.

That's not at ALL what you just said earlier ----

If a girl signs a letter of consent and agreement that goes into great detail about what she is letting you do to her, then technically, it would be legal and despite how much she begged or hated it, I would still take full advantage of our agreement. Some girls don't really know how ticklish they really are, so they sign the agreement thinking that its going to be easy money, when in fact, they are deathly ticklish and hate it. Honestly, it turns me on when a girl ends up hating being tickled mercilessly.
I'm not a lawyer, but I've been under the impression that if you two sign a letter of consent and agreement, which goes into detail about what she is agreeing to let you do to her, and she ends up hating it anyway, there's nothing she can really do about it.

You're changing your story.

EVEN showing someone a video could be misleading --- they might think the person is acting, might not KNOW or have experienced the sensation of extreme tickling ----- BUT AT LEAST if you did that ---- that would help.

They need a brief introduction ---- with safewords. Even "just" a few minutes with the same intensity -- and a safeword.

Someone told me he does one session with safewords, intense tickling. AFTER that first session ---- No safeword allowed. BUT THAT is INFORMED CONSENT....

Unless they experience it --- they're not going to really understand how ticklish they might be -----

as you yourself just said ---- and you take advantage of that ignorance. What's sickening is that there are so many here who apparently have no qualms about tricking wo/men into hellish torture they're not prepared for and haven't really consented to.

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[TRU]

That's not at ALL what you just said earlier ----



You're changing your story.

So you are telling me that a gir

EVEN showing someone a video could be misleading --- they might think the person is acting, might not KNOW or have experienced the sensation of extreme tickling ----- BUT AT LEAST if you did that ---- that would help.

They need a brief introduction ---- with safewords. Even "just" a few minutes with the same intensity -- and a safeword.

Someone told me he does one session with safewords, intense tickling. AFTER that first session ---- No safeword allowed. BUT THAT is INFORMED CONSENT....

Unless they experience it --- they're not going to really understand how ticklish they might be -----

as you yourself just said ---- and you take advantage of that ignorance. What's sickening is that there are so many here who apparently have no qualms about tricking wo/men into hellish torture.

I'll put it like this. Some girls still have no idea how really ticklish they are, despite the fact that you described into detail how it is, and even showed visual examples of how it is; they still don't know how ticklish they really are, and agree to it anyways. That's not trickery, and I haven't changed my story at all. I'm not taking advantage of anybody's ignorance at all, especially when I do everything in my power which includes videos, pictures and explaining in detail what its like and how women have responded to it. But still, they do it anyway because they don't think thats going to happen to them, they think that they are tough or they can control themselves (a lot of women are like that).

EVEN showing someone a video could be misleading --- they might think the person is acting, might not KNOW or have experienced the sensation of extreme tickling ----- BUT AT LEAST if you did that ---- that would help.

Showing someone a video of a girl tickled out of their mind, to the point where they can barely breath and are crying isn't misleading.

 

[rhiannon]

You can't change your mind if you signed a contract.

Sure you can. For two weeks you have retreating rights, honey. 🙂 That's the law in Germany, I don't know how it is in the states, but I am sure you have some time to step back from a contract.

 

[TRU]

Sure you can. For two weeks you have retreating rights, honey. 🙂 That's the law in Germany, I don't know how it is in the states, but I am sure you have some time to step back from a contract.

Oh how I would love to restrain you for 15 minutes and tickle the shit out of you. 😀

 

[Babbles]

(I write too much, therefore I highlight....)

I'll put it like this. Some girls still have no idea how really ticklish they are, despite the fact that you described into detail how it is, and even showed visual examples of how it is; they still don't know how ticklish they really are, and agree to it anyways. That's not trickery, and I haven't changed my story at all.

At LEAST if you do show them videos, it may help (YOU or them, I don't know who's helped more, since you seem to be doing that to cover your tucas legally, not out of concern) since as you yourself clearly know and state ----

That's not full understanding. The guy who does a first session (long enough, with intense tickling) with a *safeword is making SURE he has informed consent.

You ARE tricking them, as you admit here again, taking advantage of that ignorance ---- It's even more insidious as you're making it APPEAR on paper that you're "informing" them ------ but you know they still don't understand

until they're trapped. That's not really informed consent, that's trickery.

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[TRU]

You ARE tricking them, as you admit here again, taking advantage of that ignorance ---- It's even more insidious as you're making it APPEAR on paper that you're "informing" them ------ but you know they still don't understand

until they're trapped. That's not really informed consent, that's trickery.

No, I am not tricking them at all, far from it, especially when a girl knows full well how bad it will get. And its definitely not illegal.

 

[rhiannon]

Oh how I would love to restrain you for 15 minutes and tickle the shit out of you. 😀

15 minutes ain't shit.

 

[TRU]

Hell, I think its even more sexier if the girl really has no idea what her limits are.

 

[rhiannon]

I know mine is far beyond 15 minutes 😛

 

[TRU]

I'd like to hope there aren't any females out there, stupid enough to sign a contract that guarantees no safe words or breaks.

 

[rhiannon]

If there is a safeword, there is no problem.

 

[Em Es]

My favorite scenario

I have not read through all the replies of what's shaping up to be a big discussion. However, my favorite kind of tickling scenario is similar to what I call a reluctant ticklee, where the girl doesn't like getting tickled but puts up with it to please me. I find it so hot tickling a woman who would never want or ask me to tickle her but, because she wishes to satisfy me, goes along with it.

It's hard to believe it was almost 20 years ago , but a girlfriend named Maria was the best example of what I mean.

 

[Babbles]

Wow, these women really get shafted one way or another....

I have not read through all the replies of what's shaping up to be a big discussion. However, my favorite kind of tickling scenario is similar to what I call a reluctant ticklee, where the girl doesn't like getting tickled but puts up with it to please me. I find it so hot tickling a woman who would never want or ask me to tickle her but, because she wishes to satisfy me, goes along with it.

It's hard to believe it was almost 20 years ago , but a girlfriend named Maria was the best example of what I mean.

And I just replied to that --- NO WAY is that ideal.

Leading a woman on for 2-3 MONTHS --- when you were not interested from the beginning, just to get your jollies --
3 "DATES" were too much, omg forget 3 MONTHS....

You KNEW she "thought she was your girlfriend?"

You just did *different damage ---- No "gentleman tickler" I'm afraid.

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[rhiannon]

I just now read that story for the first time...and that is SERIOUSLY fucked up!

 

[mass1926]

Okay, I am settling this discussion right now. I have my business law book from last semester out and open. It clearly states that a contract that involves payment upon performance of a task can be voided by the person performing the task at any time. However, if the agreement states that the person can only be paid upon completion of the performance then simply, the girl does not get paid if the tickler feels that he/she does not have obligation to pay the ticklee if she backs out without completing the task (duration for the clip being made).

So to break it down for everyone: KEEPING SOMEBODY TIED UP AND FORCING PHYSICAL DURATION ON THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL IS VERY VERY ILLEGAL AND NO ARGUMENT THAT THEY SIGNED A CONTRACT TO DO THE SHOOT, THEREFORE YOU HAD RIGHT TO HOLD THEM PRISONER AGAINST THEIR WILL, IS GOING TO HOLD UP IN A COURT OF LAW!!!! SO KEEP THINKING THAT YOU CAN TICKLE AND KEEP A GIRL TIED WHEN SHE BEGS TO GET OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SLICK THAT YOU HAD HER SIGN A CONTRACT. YOU CAN TELL YOUR CELLMATE ALL ABOUT IT WHEN YOU'RE DOING 5-10.

 

[Master Baiter]

Okay, I am settling this discussion right now.
(snip for brevity) SO KEEP THINKING THAT YOU CAN TICKLE AND KEEP A GIRL TIED WHEN SHE BEGS TO GET OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SLICK THAT YOU HAD HER SIGN A CONTRACT. YOU CAN TELL YOUR CELLMATE ALL ABOUT IT WHEN YOU'RE DOING 5-10.

Possession of a law book does not a lawyer make.

I would love to see a scenario like this even get to court. It would be hilarious beyond belief.

Begging for mercy is all part of the fun! Who begs for more?

Damn gurl, you're as regular barrel of monkeys!

 

[Master Baiter]

In Master Baiters case though it didn't sound like there was any contract involved, just a consenting partner. And a consenting partner has the goddamn right to change his/her mind at any freaking time!

Well, the point is, she didn't mind at all. She was waiting for the big payoff after I untied her (well, some of her).

We have never had a successful escape from Stalag 13!

Diiiis - miiiissed!

 

[rhiannon]

Begging for mercy is all part of the fun! Who begs for more?

You know what? That's what rapists say.... "Oh, but she wanted it....she likes it rough...it was all part of the game". If you give the lee a break, I am sure there are ways of clearly telling the ler to let her/him the fuck go! You ignore that, you're in trouble!

Well, the point is, she didn't mind at all. She was waiting for the big payoff after I untied her (well, some of her).

Well, if you knew her good enough to be able to tell what she was waiting for, good for you! But you might very well be in a situation some day when you misinterpret your lee's wishes!

 

[Master Baiter]

The scenario I described involved no contracts or money changing hands, but something much more common: two people meeting and hooking up. (no pun intended)

Now, I may not have been 100% upfront about what was going to happen to them, but the end result is always the same. They were willing to go through a little bit of hell to get a whole lotta heaven i.e. going on a trout fishing expedition with the Master Baiter.

Bait 'em ... hook 'em ... and reel 'em in!
That's how I roll.

 

[Em Es]

Love is a battlefield

Babbles, by tomorrow I will reply to your more detailed comments in my thread about nurse Maria.

 

[TRU]

Okay, I am settling this discussion right now. I have my business law book from last semester out and open. It clearly states that a contract that involves payment upon performance of a task can be voided by the person performing the task at any time. However, if the agreement states that the person can only be paid upon completion of the performance then simply, the girl does not get paid if the tickler feels that he/she does not have obligation to pay the ticklee if she backs out without completing the task (duration for the clip being made).

So to break it down for everyone: KEEPING SOMEBODY TIED UP AND FORCING PHYSICAL DURATION ON THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL IS VERY VERY ILLEGAL AND NO ARGUMENT THAT THEY SIGNED A CONTRACT TO DO THE SHOOT, THEREFORE YOU HAD RIGHT TO HOLD THEM PRISONER AGAINST THEIR WILL, IS GOING TO HOLD UP IN A COURT OF LAW!!!! SO KEEP THINKING THAT YOU CAN TICKLE AND KEEP A GIRL TIED WHEN SHE BEGS TO GET OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SLICK THAT YOU HAD HER SIGN A CONTRACT. YOU CAN TELL YOUR CELLMATE ALL ABOUT IT WHEN YOU'RE DOING 5-10.

You know, I have a Masters in Business Administration, with a specialization in IT Architecture, and there is nothing illegal about what you just said. There is a huge difference between a letter of agreement and a contractual obligation, a letter of agreement can be voided by any party at any time; but a contractual agreement must be upheld by both ends, or else, you can get sued. Learn your shit.