tickled session - lee's NOT liking it

[rhiannon]

And c'mon, sometimes the 'lee wants the tickling to stop. But that is a part of it, and it doesn't mean that you have to stop just like that. It's part of the session, and if you had to stop everytime the 'lee said "stop", you would never get anywhere.

Babbles already mentioned it....that is why you have a safeword!

 

[Gentler]

I'm going to say what most guys are thinking but are hesitant to say. Master Baiter has style and charisma the like of which most of us guys envy. I know I do. He's got a confidence and a take-charge attitude that work in his favor. Calling him a coward or thug is nothing short of preposterous.

I am truly inspired. I'm done with being meek and polite. I'm going to do it Baiter's way. I know I can make this work!

 

[Master Baiter]

Not everyone uses safe words.
It's a personal choice.
It's not a law.
Get over it.

Check out the owner of this very forums sig pic for further reference.

"Fuck Safe Words!!!"

That is all!

Go DUKE!!!

 

[kis123]

I have read this hott mess in it's entirety and believe me I have opinions. However, I've spent years arguing with those who are pro non-consensual and I no longer have an interest in holding that dialogue anymore. You like what you like and in this global society you're going to find someone to grant it to you. More power to all of you--go get what works for you; as long as you're not touching my daughter in that manner it's all good.

And before someone decides to say that she's grown and can do what she wants, I can guarantee you that she has no desire to be tickled against her will. In fact, she doesn't like to be tickled at all; but if someone wants to challenge that, he'll most likely be met with her 5'10", 175 lbs, size 10 shoe wearing, athletic response to said activity. The outcome will not be pretty....trust me.

Now, here's what I'd like to know from those who are pro non consentual tickling; what is the turn on and what is the real payoff? I for the life of me, do not understand how anyone would sexually enjoy administering tickle torture (or any other kind at that matter) to someone who knowingly didn't like it or found it literally torturous to endure. I just don't find such circumstances pleasant at all.

I'm not trying to judge anyone, but since this gem of a topic has shown up again inquiring minds (or in my case....mind) want to know. Anyone up for the question??

 

[primetime]

Wow.. what an interesting thread...

Hoestly, I wouldn't feel right if someone hated being tickled and I tickled them without mercy. I wouldn't even want to hire a model if all she wanted was the money, but HATED being tickled. That wouldn't be fun for me. That's just how I am.

However, there are others who don't care. If the woman is willing to do it for money, hell, what else is the 'ler supposed to do. He spent money (in these economic times....) to tickle a model, so even if she HATED it, she still consented to it.

As for tricking people, that's a gray area. Think about it. Most tickles are non-consentual in a sense. The two particular ladies in this thread have to realize that us guys encounter a LOT more non "ticklephiles" than there are "willing 'lees". I can understand your point of view and non-consentual is wrong, etc. BUT, you can't really judge someone unless you're there.

Take Master Baiter for example. Two ladies are so worked up over his "I tricked them into tickling", they constantly berate the guy. But they are missing ONE key piece that he has written. These women have CONSENTUAL sex with him afterwards. How traumatized are they really? Babbles and Rhiannon have keep harping over MB's exploits, they are assuming the women are somehow "hurt" by his deception. Again, if they are willing to engage in CONSENTUAL sex afterwards, then obviously didn't mind his "tickle deception". It would be a whole lot different if they ran out of his bedroom screaming in terror. They didn't. You two were not witnesses to what happened. You are only going off what you PERCEIVE happened, and how YOU would feel. Doesn't make you right.

Like he said, he would be in jail if he forced sex on them. Funny thing is, I honestly think he is yanking your chains. His name has an obvious sexual connotation, but also "Master Baiter" could also be a guy who likes to "bait" people into arguments for pure entertainment. If MB was "hurting" these women, then he deserves to have whatever cruel punishment awaits him.

My take is this. If the ladies who hate being tickled, actually consent to it for money, then that's there choice. Don't fault the 'ler if this happens. Yes, tricking someone is wrong, but if they are not mad at the person, and NOT traumatized, then WHY ARE PEOPLE ARGUING??!!!!! Too many moral police around this place.

 

[mass1926]

Not everyone uses safe words.
It's a personal choice.
It's not a law.
Get over it.

Check out the owner of this very forums sig pic for further reference.

"Fuck Safe Words!!!"

That is all!

Go DUKE!!!

Dammit, why did you have to say Go Duke!!!... I hate Duke

 

[Babbles]

Rhiannon, thanks!

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Gentler, hope you're kidding. If not, you're looking for a black eye & a lawsuit.
If this dude is serious about this abuse he's either very lonely, seriously disturbed or an adolescent.

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mass1926 There I'm clueless ---but mix and match and you get... "fuck ...DUKE" 😀

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Kis, exactly 😱 --- I wouldn't want it done to a child of mine, or a friend, a sibling --- or myself, I've been there when it's unbearable & NOT expected, on a date, and it's not fun if you're with an asshole who doesn't care about your distress.
If they weren't assholes I'd have loved to have continued with someone with the same fetish... I've met a few nice fetishists over the years when not involved and that was mindblowing.

Didn't let any such asshole get a second chance and I really wish I'd made the moron/s extremely physically uncomfortable in return. Rejection isn't adequate.

Luckily I wasn't tied and didn't have some smirking jackass waving a bogus booby-trapped "contract" in my face once I realized I was tricked and foolishly trusting just allowing myself to be alone in the same room with an asshole.

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Primetime ---- Yes the additional pun or triple-meaning (Master Baiter) did occur to me,
and he's obviously enjoying himself being quite obnoxious ---- but he also made references to fishing gear
so I figured that was an unintentional happy accident for him ----
kinda like stumbling across a trusting woman who can't stand being tickled.

In "these economic times" -- in any time -- the amount of money doesn't matter. Especially when someone's SO desperate to escape they're screaming they'll give a refund....

In "these economic times" such a statement works as a safeword....

They should be paid (fully, dammit, since it was more than they bargained for) but for any abuse they endured ----- and IMMEDIATELY released.

In any case -- a contract isn't valid if one party is misled badly.

I don't believe he has sex with "most" of them anyway. If he actually tortured women that badly, no, they'd want to kill him once released unless traumatized. Then again who knows what "most" means to someone like him. Maybe 1 out of 3.

However, even apart from the "baiting" he does seem to seriously condone misleading women and torturing them when they find themselves trapped by their ignorance of the fetish world, and that's just not funny.

Otherwise yes, you're probably right, he's bottom-feeding off the negative attention
because he's most likely about 16 and severely under-developed.

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[primetime]

But here is the problem. You are assuming the women are getting "tortured" by him. The word torture is very subjective when it comes to tickling. Tickle fans use the word "torture" in a lot of scenarios. But is it really true torture?

Let's say what he said is true. These women would never have had consentual sex with him. He tricked them. So what? If they were still willing to have sex, then NO ONE can judge what he does. It would be completely different if the women DID NOT want to have sex with him, and they left his place in tears, and never talked to him again, then that's a whole different story. You can't judge a guy when his partners do not judge what he did as wrong.

As for contracts, again, some women will take the money, although they hate it. There is always a fine line with consent in tickling. People's natural reaction is to say "no" when being tickled. Of course, if someone is going overboard and the person truly wants to stop, then of course limits should be respected.

I do agree that if someone was tricked completely, and screamed that they will give a refund, then yeah, their torment was out of line.

 

[BionicFingers]

if the 'lee knows they have the option to refuse but don't, one has to wonder how much they really "hate" it

 

[Babbles]

Thank you PT --

But here is the problem. You are assuming the women are getting "tortured" by him. The word torture is very subjective when it comes to tickling. Tickle fans use the word "torture" in a lot of scenarios. But is it really true torture?

Let's say what he said is true. These women would never have had consentual sex with him. He tricked them. So what? If they were still willing to have sex, then NO ONE can judge what he does. It would be completely different if the women DID NOT want to have sex with him, and they left his place in tears, and never talked to him again, then that's a whole different story. You can't judge a guy when his partners do not judge what he did as wrong.

As for contracts, again, some women will take the money, although they hate it. There is always a fine line with consent in tickling. People's natural reaction is to say "no" when being tickled. Of course, if someone is going overboard and the person truly wants to stop, then of course limits should be respected.

I do agree that if someone was tricked completely, and screamed that they will give a refund, then yeah, their torment was out of line.

I know sometimes there are fine lines and miscommunications, and
I don't believe he was with so many "successful, gorgeous" etc etc 🙄
converts to excrutiating tickle torture who ---- slept with him after he tricked, tied & tortured them, I'm sure to a good extent that's
----- a fishing tale, I hope a lotta big ones got away... Off his hook, whatever

But IF he's not exaggerating --- he said "most." Taking such a person at their uncertain word --- as I've asked, what about those who weren't "good sports," who were traumatized by a horrible and
---- probably "worse than painful" experience ----- they all started out unaware of the consequences ---

extended sadistic tickling is worse than "standard pain" ---

So if such a person got lucky with a few ---- that makes such tactics right?

The point is --- claiming that trickery & torture supposedly paid off PART of the time doesn't excuse
severely abusing women.

if the 'lee knows they have the option to refuse but don't, one has to wonder how much they really "hate" it

THAT'S entirely different --- We're talking about those who are tricked & are deprived of a choice
even when they make it VERY clear they can't stand it.

 

[rhiannon]

Not everyone uses safe words.
It's a personal choice.
It's not a law.
Get over it.

Check out the owner of this very forums sig pic for further reference.

"Fuck Safe Words!!!"

That is all!

Go DUKE!!!

True, not everybody uses them, but it is up to the lee if they are used, not to the ler!

@primetime: So they do have consentual sex afterwards. But how does he know that beforehand? He has no clue what the whole thing will do to them once it begins!

 

[Master Baiter]

blah blah blah blah

You're Babbling.

Shut Up.

 

[Babbles]

You're Babbling.

Shut Up.

You're abusive.

Let them go.

 

[Master Baiter]

You're abusive.

Let them go.

Never!

Kiss Me!

 

[Master Baiter]

True, not everybody uses them, but it is up to the lee if they are used, not to the ler!

@primetime: So they do have consentual sex afterwards. But how does he know that beforehand? He has no clue what the whole thing will do to them once it begins!

You seemed to like it in this thread:

http://ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=145008

 

[rhiannon]

I happen to like to be tickled. AND I happen to have a safeword and a trustworthy ler!

It would be a different story if I was overpowered to get done in the butt, that would not be all that enjoyable!

 

[SlaverTickler]

Take Master Baiter for example. Two ladies are so worked up over his "I tricked them into tickling", they constantly berate the guy. But they are missing ONE key piece that he has written. These women have CONSENTUAL sex with him afterwards. How traumatized are they really? Babbles and Rhiannon have keep harping over MB's exploits, they are assuming the women are somehow "hurt" by his deception. Again, if they are willing to engage in CONSENTUAL sex afterwards, then obviously didn't mind his "tickle deception". It would be a whole lot different if they ran out of his bedroom screaming in terror. They didn't. You two were not witnesses to what happened. You are only going off what you PERCEIVE happened, and how YOU would feel. Doesn't make you right.

How can we be sure that the sex is consensual. Baiter pretty much made it clear that he has no concern for how the women he encounters feel about what he does to their body's so how do we know he simply hasn't been charged. We both know that date rape happens and allot of times isn't reported. He doesn't care when they say no to one thing, so why should he care if they say no to something else. You are right in the respect that we aren't there, for all we know he could be lying about everything he is saying, but if he isn't he's a real ass hole.

 

[NY ler]

Many people here wanna strangle Baiter...but no one here really knows any details of his escapades. Lets hear it Master!

 

[rhiannon]

Oh, no, please, spare us the grisly details of your fantasies so certain others can get their jollies out of them!

 

[Master Baiter]

Many people here wanna strangle Baiter...but no one here really knows any details of his escapades. Lets hear it Master!

There are a few, and I used a lot of same techniques, but I'll start out with one that I used many times with great results. I'll call it the Match Game.

I used to belong to an internet dating site called Match. I'm sure a lot of you have heard of it. This was about 10 years ago, and I had never tried internet dating, I always used standard old school methods.

Match was awesome! I wrote a funny profile, and made it clear I was looking for some fun, not necessarily a serious relationship. I posted pictures, and in no time my in-box was flooded with responses. I couldn't believe it. It's a good thing I was laid off from my seasonal construction job, because it was very time consuming.

The women were eager and surprisingly good looking. Some w/ kids, some without. All kinds. I found that not being too aggressive was the way to go; too many "serious daters" and pushy guys out there already, so I took my time. Some girls liked me a lot, some not so much, but there was always a steady stream coming to me, as well as the ones I was seeking out. It was like window shopping for chics, or it was like being back in college.

I started with Email exchanges, lots of those, jokes and funny stories. It was like Facebook before there was Facebook. Match used a double-blind server, but it was pretty easy to get them to exchange emails off of the Match server, and it was way easier to keep track of who I was talking too. I actually had to use a notebook after I screwed up the names and pissed off one of them. Live and learn.

I would play 10 questions w/ them. You ask me, and I ask you. I would sneak in "the question" w/o looking like a freak. They usually answered w/o thinking twice. There was one total hottie in particular that avoided it for a while, but I eventually wore her down. She said she was "deathly ticklish, especially on my footsies". YES!! "Deena" just moved to the top of my list!

After emails came the phone calls. A few more were weeded out, some by me, some by them. That's the nature of internet dating. I didn't sweat it.
Deena was still in the picture.

After a few rounds of phone calls were placed, I started to meet my potential "victims". Again more cuts were made. Some looked better in person, others worse. If we liked each other than we made dates. If I liked them a lot, I took them out on my big motorcycle. +10 Bad Boy points. Even more for being in a rock band, but I kept them out of that for the time being. I had my fill of bar girls and groupies, and was going after a different class of woman: respectable, successful, educated, independent, and knockout beauties.
And why not?! This was turning out to be a great experiment.

I wrangled my first date with Deena a few weeks later. I had logged in hours of phone calls and emails and considered her to be in the Top 5. I suggested a group date with a few other couples. She agreed to meet us all at my condo and have a few drinks before we went out to Moby Dick's to see my friend's show-stopping cover band.

I met her in the parking lot. To she did not disappoint was an understatement. She was a dead ringer for Kate fucking Hudson! Long blond voluminous hair with loose curls. Big brown doe-eyes that disappeared when she flashed her trademark HUGE smile. Perfect teeth. Tall, killer body with a spectacular ass. (hey, I'm an ass man!)
I got a little weak in the knees, and I the thought "She's outta your league, bro" crossed my mind. Nonetheless, I said "Hi" gave her a hug, (damn she smelled great) and brought her inside to meet my friends.
I had her scent now ... the hunt was on!

Of course, everyone loved her. I took her over to the wet bar in the game room downstairs and whipped up a round of Malibu Beachcombers for the ladies and did a few shots of Patron w/ the guys, who were nodding and smiling. My best friend and fellow band member Ben, mumbled under his breath, "You fuckin' DOG!"

It was a great night. I must say the whole "group of people" idea was a stroke of genius. The pressure was off both of us. We just relaxed into each other at the club, which was only a couple of miles away into downtown. She later admitted she was a suburban girl who didn't go into the city much, especially clubbing at night, so she was kind of impressed with the whole thing. The band sounded great, and we were hitting it off in a big way.

We ended up almost closing the place down before heading back to my place for a nightcap. We all rode our motorcycles and some of my friends left from there, but Ben and Holly, and Will and Kelly decided to come back with us.

It was out in the parking lot, right before we jumped on the bike that she gave me a hug and looked straight into my eyes and said, "Thanks for such a great night. I'm having a blast". I paused, drinking in her beauty, and went in for the best damn kiss of my life. It was the kind you never want to end. I kind of lost track, and heard my friends hootin' and hollerin' at us! I started to laugh and she buried her head in my chest, embarrassed. It was kind of funny, and she laughed along with all of us as they continued the whistles and catcalls.

When we got back to my place, we had another drink and said goodbye to our friends. Finally, we were alone. When she excused herself to use the bathroom I put on some music and was expecting her to leave soon, but being the concerned guy I am, I offered her the futon in the game room (no guest bed, I'm a guy).
"Really, that's not a problem?" she said. "Because I was going to ask you if it would be alright if I could stay the night. I'm feeling more than a little buzzed, and don't think it's a good idea to drive all the way home right now. I could take a cab home if you'd like, but I..."
"Nonsense!" I interrupted, "It's the responsible thing to do! Let me get some blankets for you."
She ended up staying all weekend.

When I returned, I "popped" down the futon (love those things) and laid out some blankets.
"Mind if I take off my boots"
"Mind?! Naaah, go ahead! Make yourself at home".
I was hoping the booze hid my excitement as I watched her unzip her boots. She had tight fitting, almost sheer socks on that showed off the outline of her well-formed size 8 foot and toes.
I tried not to stare, but it was tough. Things were looking great from here!
"I hope they don't smell too bad, I was having so much fun dancing ..."
"Don't worry about it... You're fine... Have a seat!" As I patted the futon.

We then started making out like our plane was going down. I fixed us another round of drinks and dimmed the lights. I threw in a burn I made.
It was time to get to work.

We continued to kiss, and the petting started. Then the heavy petting started. Even though this was technically our first date, we'd been talking and emailing for well over a month now. The attraction was reaching a fever pitch.
"God the music sounds great tonight"
"Yeah, it does!"
I slid my hand under her button-down blouse. No resistance. I stroked her thighs over her dress pants and cupped my hand over her nether regions.
She whispered, "Maybe we should wait".
"Whatever you want, you're the boss, baby!"
"But I don't want you to stop! I just..."
"Shhhhh. Kiss me, you fool!"

I tossed her onto her back and pinned her arms over her head and furiously kissed her; pressing my now obvious member against her thigh. She responded with a nice pelvic push. I held her firmly and continued for a few seconds, looking her in the eye, hoping to crack her armor.
"Ohh, why don't you just tie me up already and get it over with!"
"R- r-really?!?" My grin must have been off the charts.
"No...just kidding. You're making me so hot, though."
"Ever been tied up and teased before?"
"Noooo" she cooed.
"Wanna try it? You can keep all of your clothes on, Scout's Honor"
"It's not that I don't want to...I just think we should..."
"Come on, it'll be fun!"
"Ummm....Ok". She was biting her lip and giggling.

DAMN!! I couldn't believe my ears!.
"Hang on a sec. Here's your drink. I'll be right back!"

I bolted up the stairs to my bedroom. Where are those fucking neckties?!
If only I'd worn suits more than a couple of times a year I would be able to fucking ... YES!!!
I was never so happy to see a tie in my life. I grabbed a handful and raced back downstairs, almost breaking mu neck in the process, and found her in the same spot, sipping her drink.
"Can I use the bathroom again, first?"
"Sure!" Such a sweet girl, she asks for everything!
"Go ahead!" I was thinking that was a good idea considering what I had in store for her.

I laid her in the center of the futon and fastened her wrists separately to each corner, pretty quickly, and gave her a long kiss. I noticed her well-manicured nails and hands. Everything about this girl was hot. I nibbled her neck and she let out a soft squeal. Then I moved down to her feet and fastened her ankles directly to each side of the arm rest with no slack in the rope, stretching her taunt. Her heels hanging slightly off the mattress.

I stood up to admire my work. She looked ravishing and smiled at me saying, "So what are you gonna do w/ me now, boyscout?"
I just laughed as I traced my fingers up her thighs to her hips and up her rib cage. "Why, help you across the street, of course!"

Kissing her neck and lips, I went in for a little test. Very light, soft strokes to her ribs and belly. She let our a soft giggle, and I dug in just a little harder as she yelped and tested her bonds.

Now it was time to move in for the kill. Down to her feet. Her words from that e-mail were echoing in my brain. My pulse was racing. I peeled off her socks one by one and caught my first good look at her perfectly aligned toes and high, smooth arches. I glanced up and found her tilting her head, straining to see what I was doing. A puzzled look at first, then mild panic spread across her pretty face as I took one finger and zipped it up her foot, heel to toes. It was like an electric shock crashed into her brain!
This was even better than I had hoped for.

"Ticklish?!?"
"Oh my God .... Yeeeees!" Now the smile was back, but there was a slight quiver to her voice. I almost lost it right there.
"Any last words?!"
"Oh no..... " was all she got out.

I'm not sure how long I was down there, maybe 10-15 minutes, probably less.
I gave her a break and went up to kiss her again. Then headed back down.

She was easily the most ticklish victim I ever snared, and I wasn't gonna let her go quite yet. I taunted her and verbally teased her.
"How does a nice girl like you end up in a place like this?" and that sort of thing.
She went from laughing to moaning to laughing to screaming to laughing, but she never once asked me to stop, which I found incredibly sexy.

The whole thing lasted about 45 minutes and I as I untied her she grabbed me and started kissing me like a woman possessed.
"Your turn" she said as she straddled me and started to grind into me.
I reached for my zipper and she stopped me cold.
"Clothes stay on for now, ok?"

It was excruciating, but in my current state of arousal, I didn't last long.

I took a quick shower and when I got out she was laying down, wearing my old Penn State sweatshirt, about 10 sizes too big for her.
"I hope you don't mind, but I just love guys clothes!"

"Naw, go right ahead."

We ended up spooning on the futon and watched old movies until we fell asleep. By the time we got up, it was around noon and we headed to the mall to grab lunch and she bought a new outfit.

Real sex didn't happen until later that night, but it was worth the wait.

It was without a doubt one of the greatest nights of my life.

I have a couple others that are more ruthless if you like that sort of thing.
This was just the first one that came to mind.

Flame on, Johnny!

 

[mass1926]

LOL, I bet that NY Ler had no idea that when he posted this thread it would have 146 posts in like a week.

 

[rhiannon]

Nice fantasy I'd say. 🙂 You should really continue writing stories!

 

[Angel77]

Interesting story there. You and Gentler have the same writing style. 🙂

 

[Bohemianne]

Nope. I read both writings, there is a big difference with the style of writing, sentence construction, humor and posting method.

 

[PomPom]

I wouldn't do something to someone that I wouldn't have done to myself. Which means that since I don't want to be tickled beyond my limit that I wouldn't tickle someone beyond their limit.
That being said . . .
Yes, my fantasy is to have a girl that maybe lost a bet and she has no choice and tickle her like crazy. I'd never do it, it'd be cruel, but hey, a fantasy can't hurt nobody!